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A bear inspected at the Four-Paws Bear Sanctuary in Pristina.
Israeli colonist teaching a boy (his son?) about machine guns.
The mud stream that buried Abi Barik in Afghanistan.
00:35
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A: What is the word for an adult who is not mature?

meeperI would call such a person a Republican.

Now, I am by no means against the monarchy, but don't you think that is a bit of an exaggeration?
Republics are boring, but not necessarily immature.
It’s not an exaggeration, it’s meant to be offensive to the reds.
Like, something a kid who was a die-hard member of the Democratic Party would say.
Just to piss somebody off.
Believe me, I am the last person to stick up for the Republican Party.
But that’s just a poke in the eye.
I wouldn't know, Republicans are a pretty marginal group here.
@Robusto I do believe you’ll discover that Brust’s Castle Black is infinitely cooler than Martin’s.
They have this club that is always interviewed around Royal weddings and birthdays.
00:42
I think we’re talking about different “Republicans”.
@tchrist I love that you could nevertheless not resist correctting the capitalization though :)
I’m talking about the George Bush sort.
And nearly every political part has "democrat" in its name.
Hey cerb!
Yo!
I mean, chaire!
00:43
@Cerberus -ic
@Cerberus Ha!
There is no ic to subtract.
No, to add.
He meant that your parties are the Democratic foo of bar etc.
Aren't they? As opposed to the US Republicans/Democrats
We have "Christian Democrats" and "Democrats '66" and "Freedom, Peace, and Democracy" and such. Those are three main parties.
@terdon Could be, on many issue, yes, probably...
@tchrist Well, many of our parties that have something about democracy in their name don't have democratic so much as democrats, democracy, etc.
@Cerberus I beg your pardon?
A typo.
My typing hand can fuck up any sentence.
What happened to the other one?
The gripping one?
00:47
Haha.
I only have three heads, not three arms.
Three Hearts and Three Lions is a 1961 fantasy novel by Poul Anderson, expanded from a 1953 novella by Anderson which appeared in Fantasy & Science Fiction. Plot Holger Carlsen is an Allied covert operative who assists the Danish Resistance to the Nazis. After an explosion, he finds himself carried to a parallel universe, which proves to have the Matter of France as its historical past. There he finds that the evil of Faerie is encroaching on humanity. His quest finally leads him to discover that he is Ogier the Dane, sent to this universe by Morgan le Fay, and to fight the battle that...
@tchrist I give up. What's adoloration? The best I can come up with is that you're punning with pain, that to be adults we need to inflict pain upon ourselves.
@terdon Yes.
Ah, OK. I thought it must be some kind of obscure word :)
“Obscure”?
Oh, I dunno.
aˈdolorate, v. Obs. rare-1.

Etymology: irreg. f. a- pref. (def#11) + L. dolor grief + -ate[entry#3].

 To vex, grieve.

1598 Florio, - Dogliare, to greeue, to molest..to adolorate.
00:51
Oh! It exists?
Of course.
But it’s marked obscene. :)
Damn, I couldn't find it in the crappy online dictionaries. I really need to get myself a proper one.
Obscene? Any explanation on why?
I’m taking your hair.
I can't believe I got suspended in the math room AGAIN!!!
And yes, obscure: a word that no online dictionary seems to have qualifies as obscure.
00:52
Pulling legs.
@terdon I fear you are mistaken.
The OED whence I took that definition contains it.
And thus "no online dictionary" is incorrect.
@tchrist Fair enough. No non-paywalled online dictionary?
So many qualificklations.
!!youtube top of the world ma jimmy cagney
they suspended me for this^
00:55
@tchrist Hey, I said "I couldn't find it in the crappy online dictionaries" originally.
"inappropriate" is the reason?
And how can it be obscure, when its meaning is self-evident to anyone with even a passing amount of education? :)
@tchrist In my defense, I did work it out, just thought you'd invented it!
Next you’ll be calling Auntie Bella’s pretty antebellum South obscure. :)
pffff
:P
00:57
I’m surely not beyond minting fresh words to suit my fancy, or vice versa, but this one has one documented citation in the last demimillennial period.
Or did have. Now it has two. :)
Obscene? Obsolete!
And that's me chastised. Surely no word that has been used in the last 500 years can be obscure!
Yes, dear. :)
Good evening.
Hello.
00:58
hi
Ok, no more Obs. words.
Fewmets! That's my favorite. One of them anyway.
and Obs videos from youtube :(
How's everyone doing tonight?
00:59
Fewmishing
@Mahnax Snowed in.
@tchrist Really? Wow.
We haven't had any May Blizzards this year, but we usually do.
Yes, happy Mother’s Day and all. Apparently Santa wanted something special for the missus this year.
@terdon New to me! I like it.
@Cerberus The joys of reading The Sword in the Stone.
Now, what is fewmishing?
01:02
@terdon No idea! Something similar?
I do not know that book.
@Cerberus The act of producing fewmets perhaps? More commonly known as shitting.
That would be fewmeting though.
@tchrist Gorgeous!
macbook# oedgrep fewmishing
crotey
fewmets
formy
fumishing
grattishing
The Sword in the Stone is a novel by T. H. White, published in 1938, initially as a stand-alone work but now the first part of a tetralogy The Once and Future King. A fantasy of the boyhood of King Arthur, it is a sui generis work which combines elements of legend, history, fantasy and comedy. Walt Disney Productions adapted the story to an animated film, and the BBC adapted it to radio. Plot summary The premise is that Arthur's youth, not dealt with in Malory, was a time when he was tutored by Merlyn to prepare him for the use of power and royal life. Merlyn magically turns Wart i...
@tchrist Ah, good. You did make that one up then.
Nope.
Deer poop.
01:03
Grrr.
 ˈfumishing. Obs. Also 6-7 fewmishing, (6 femysshyng, femishing), 7-8 fimashing.

Etymology: app. f. OFr. femer, fumer to dung (see fumet[entry#2]), + -ish (on the analogy of vbs. a. Fr. vbs. in -iss-, -ir) + -ing[entry#1].

 The excrement (of a deer). Cf. fumets.

1527 St. Papers Hen. VIII, VI. 598 - The scantlyn and femysshyng of such deir.
1575 [see crotey sb.].
1596 Harington Metam. Ajax 32 - Doth not the keeper..shew you his femishing?
1598 Manwood Lawes Forest iv. §6 (1615) 45 - Of all Deere, the ordure is called fewmets or fewmishing.
Hah, so deer get their own word? Fewmets ain't good enough?
@terdon Caprophage!
I fixed it!
@tchrist You mean I eat goats? Or was that coprophage?
I never knew that fumer meant to shit in French. Me I thought it was smokin’.
01:05
@tchrist Well, it is now.
'Tis. In modern French anyway.
Caprimulgus ~~ Chupacabra
Hardly, they look like cute little birdies.
They are.
They’re still goatsuckers.
And I do not mean that in a bad way.
They eat so many skeeters they are a blessing.
But the goats they don’t bother.
@terdon Sounds like you're trying to say fermenting with a speech impediment...
01:08
They’d have to fight off too many Welshmen first.
@Cerberus :)
The whip-poor-will is a goatsucker.
No offence intended if you happen to have such an impediment!
@tchrist Cheap shot. And don't forget the Kiwis!
I couldn’t make up my mind between the twain.
01:09
@Cerberus Depends on how much of the fermented product I have consumed.
@tchrist Imagine how the poor goats feel.
> Nightjars are medium-sized nocturnal or crepuscular birds in the family Caprimulgidae, characterized by long wings, short legs and very short bills. They are sometimes called goatsuckers, due to the ancient folk tale that they sucked the milk from goats (the Latin for goatsucker is Caprimulgus). Some New World species are named as nighthawks. Nightjars usually nest on the ground.
Ha!
@Cerberus Why did the Romans feel they needed a word for goatsuckers?
Ancient folk tales no doubt.
Orgies?
because the Greeks had one?
01:10
Even if The Lays of Ancient Rome was a made-up crock/scam.
@skullpatrol Nah, they preferred young boys.
@terdon Haha that explains it!
> The Common Poorwill, Phalaenoptilus nuttallii is unique as a bird that undergoes a form of hibernation, becoming torpid and with a much reduced body temperature for weeks or months, although other nightjars can enter a state of torpor for shorter periods.
@tchrist Because mythology is very important!!
> Most have small feet, of little use for walking, and long pointed wings. Their soft plumage is cryptically coloured to resemble bark or leaves. Some species, unusual for birds, perch along a branch, rather than across it. This helps to conceal them during the day. Bracken is their preferred habitat.
Ok, who already knew what bracken meant?
01:14
Some kind of plant isn't it?
Yes.
I seem to recall it from my university days.
Ferny.
I connect it with the British Isles.
> It is a prolific and abundant plant in the moorlands of Great Britain,
bracken[entry#1] /ˈbræk(ə)n/. Also 4-9 braken, 5 brakan, bracon, (7 braking), 8 brachen (Sc.), 8-9 breckan (Sc.), breckon (north. dial.).

Etymology: ME. (northern) braken, app. representing an ONor. *brakni, whence Sw. bräken, Da. bregne ‘fern’ (? and, by corruption, Icel. burkni ‘common fern’.)

1 a A fern; spec. (in modern writers) Pteris aquilina, the ‘Brake’. (In the north all large ferns are brackens; Pteris aquilina is merely the most conspicuous and best known, from the masses in which it grows.) Southern writers often make bracken collective. Also attrib.
01:15
Figures, I studied biology in York. Must have learned it then.
Cool!
I didn’t know it was a specific kind of fern though.
New to me.
I thought it just meant a bed of ferns, the kind that are not tiny but bushy.
What do you call swampy land with some influx of sea water, so that the water is brackish?
01:17
Ahah, I’m right.
I just had a vague feeling that it was a plant and a habitat in the UK, Didn't even know it was a fern.
@Cerberus A marsh?
Bracken (Pteridium) is a genus of large, coarse ferns in the family Dennstaedtiaceae. Ferns (Pteridophyta) are vascular plants that have alternating generations, large plants that produce spores and small plants that produce sex cells (eggs and sperm). Brackens are noted for their large, highly divided leaves. They are found on all continents except Antarctica and in all environments except deserts, though their typical habitat is moorland. The genus probably has the widest distribution of any fern in the world. In the past, the genus was commonly treated as having only one species, Pte...
@tchrist A brackish marsh?
I thought there was a word.
@Cerberus Salt marsh?
Ah, OK.
That sounds good.
01:18
Tidal marsh.
A salt marsh or saltmarsh, also known as a coastal salt marsh or a tidal marsh, is a coastal ecosystem in the upper coastal intertidal zone between land and open salt water or brackish water that is regularly flooded by the tides. It is dominated by dense stands of salt-tolerant plants such as herbs, grasses, or low shrubs. These plants are terrestrial in origin and are essential to the stability of the salt marsh in trapping and binding sediments. Salt marshes play a large role in the aquatic food web and the delivery of nutrients to coastal waters. They also support terrestrial animals...
!!wiki jimmy cagney
@skullpatrol No result found
@skullpatrol The Wikipedia contains no knowledge of such a thing
James Francis Cagney, Jr. (July 17, 1899March 30, 1986) was an American actor and dancer, both on stage and in film, though it is film where he has had his greatest impact. Known for his consistently energetic performances, distinctive vocal stylings and deadpan comic timing he won acclaim and major awards for a wide variety of performances. He is best remembered for playing multi-faceted tough guys in movies like The Public Enemy (1931), Taxi! (1932), Angels with Dirty Faces (1938) and White Heat (1949) and was even typecast or limited by this view earlier in his career. In 1999, the Am...
I’m glad its plants are not extra-terrestrial in origin.
@Mahnax I bet anything you have nighthawks and whippoorwills.
Now, how does one come to deserve a name like whippoorwills. Who was Will and why was he whipped?
It’s its cry.
> It is named onomatopoeically after its song.
> This bird is sometimes confused[4] with the related Chuck-will's-widow (Antrostomus carolinensis) which has a similar but lower-pitched and slower call.
01:25
@tchrist That's even worse. Who chucked the poor lady, where to and why?
Bobwhite.
The northern bobwhite, Virginia quail or (in its home range) bobwhite quail (Colinus virginianus) is a ground-dwelling bird native to the United States, Mexico, and the Caribbean. It is a member of the group of species known as New World quails (Odontophoridae). They were initially placed with the Old World quails in the pheasant family (Phasianidae), but are not particularly closely related. The name "bobwhite" derives from its characteristic whistling call. Despite its secretive nature, the Northern Bobwhite is one of the most familiar quails in eastern North America because it is freq...
If you have to call a bird something, might as well call it by its own call.
I grew up hearing bobwhites and whippoorwills all the time.
That’s a whippoorwill. Really hard to see.
Cute little bugger.
They’re the noisy goatsucker.
C. vociferus
There was a street in York called Whipmawopma gate.
01:28
Apparently, it's legal to beat your wife there.
@terdon If her name is Will.
Kinda funny lookin’, eh?
They’re all nocturnal but for the nighthawk, oddly enough.
@tchrist Not even. One of the many strange residual laws in the UK. It is also legal to shoot a Scotsman with a bow and arrow if he's within the walls of York and wearing a kilt.
@tchrist Stoned looking, more like.
Ah! Gorgeous. Is that still Will?
That’s a nighthawk.
01:32
OK, thought it looked bigger.
It is.
But it’s still a goatsucker.
Oh, it’s also nocturnal. But you can see them by day, or at least dusk. That one was obviously in daylight.
Now why the white markings?
A nighthawk is a nocturnal bird of the subfamily Chordeilinae, within the nightjar family, Caprimulgidae. Nighthawks are medium-size with long wings, short legs, and very short bills. They usually nest on the ground. They feed on flying insects. The Least Nighthawk, at and , is the smallest of all Caprimulgiformes. Nightjars are sometimes referred to as goatsuckers from the mistaken belief that they suck milk from goats (the Latin for goatsucker is Caprimulgus). Nighthawks have small feet, of little use for walking, and long pointed wings. Their soft plumage is cryptically coloure...
I don’t know.
But what I do know is that the birds with nearly no feet are related to them.
Swifts, hummers.
Heh, ever seen an albatross trying to land?
> The swifts are a family, Apodidae, of highly aerial birds. They are superficially similar to swallows, but are not closely related to passerine species. Swifts are placed in the order Apodiformes, which they share with hummingbirds.
Note Apodidae.
@terdon No, never. Although certainly I have seen them in flight.
01:35
I have seen neither unfortunately. They're not very good at it apparently:
Here’s yours:
The European Nightjar, Eurasian Nightjar or just Nightjar (Caprimulgus europaeus) is a crepuscular and nocturnal bird in the nightjar family that breeds across most of Europe and temperate Asia. The Latin generic name refers to the old myth that the nocturnal nightjar suckled goats, causing them to cease to give milk. The six subspecies differ clinally, the birds becoming smaller and paler towards the east of the range. All populations are migratory, wintering in sub-Saharan Africa. Their densely patterned grey and brown plumage makes individuals difficult to see in the daytime when th...
Corresponds to our nighthawk.
Looks very like.
Never heard of it but it has a wonderful name in Greek!
Literally Goat tit.
What’s mulgus in Latin?
@Cerberus?
> El chotacabras gris o chotacabras europeo (Caprimulgus europaeus) es una especie de ave de la familia de los chotacabras (Caprimulgidae), que se distribuye por las zonas templadas de bosque, matorral y pastizal de Europa y Asia.
01:38
@tchrist To milk apparently.
@tchrist Nothing.
@Cerberus what do you think of this interpretation of the word "mathematics." The suffix -matic comes from matos in Greek,that means "willing to [perform]". So, "mathematics" means "willing to math" -- math is from mathema, which means "to learn"; therefore, "willing to learn". Math was used for anything related to learning.
It is from mulgeo "to milk" related to English milk.
Chotar == chupar == to suck
@skullpatrol I'm afraid that is nonsense!
There is no suffix -matos.
01:39
Thanks.
So you have chotacabras and the Mexicans have chupacabras, or claim to. :)
Math- = "learn".
@tchrist Or choose to. Hey, to each his own.
-(ê)ma(t-) = "something related to or the result of".
@terdon If that worked, what’s the goat for?
01:40
-ikos = "related or similar to".
@tchrist Sucking. Obviously. Like eggs.
Ask your grandmother.
@tchrist I will assume you meant about the eggs.
Yep. :)
chotar.

 (Del lat. suctāre, mamar).

 1. tr. ant. Dicho de un choto: mamar (‖ chupar la leche).
Nice. Especially since mamar is also relevant in this context.
01:42
@Cerberus So, "related to learning".
chupar ~= mamar
choto.
 (De chotar).
 1. m. Cría macho de la cabra mientras mama.
 2. m. ternero.
So a suckling boy-goat.
Pan!
Oh, I missed the L there.
AKA a kid.
Which meaning of kid came first? Man child or goat child?
01:44
The goat, I thought.
Dunno.
Yes, by 400 years.
@Cerberus Thanks :-)
kid /kɪd/, sb.[entry#1] Forms: 3-5 kide, 4-5 kyde, kede; 4-6 kyd(de, (5 kydd), 4-7 kidde, 4- kid.

Etymology: ME. kide, kede, kid, commonly regarded as ad. ONor. kið (Sw., Da. kid):-OTeut. *kiðjom, related to G. kitz, kitze from OHG. chizzî, kizzîn:-OTeut. *kittîn from orig. *kiðnīn. The final -e of ME. kĭde is not explicable from ONor. kið, but the initial k makes it still more difficult to refer the word to any OE. type.


1 a The young of a goat (cf. quot. 1562).

C. 1200 Ormin 7804 - Þe firrste callf, þe firrste lamb, þe firrste kide, and swillke.
@tchrist Ah, so it was adapted during a famine I presume?
OT kittîn. Hm.
k words are almost always Germanic in origin right?
01:49
kaleidoscopic
Kyrie
@terdon Unless they’re kappa words.
OK, there goes that argument.
More kids:
b A young roe-deer during its first year. Obs. So G. kitz in various districts (Bavaria, Tyrol, etc.); cf. OHG. rêchkizzi, MHG. rêchkitze.

1486 Bk. St. Albans E iv, - Iff ye of the Roobucke will knaw..The first yere he is a kyde soukyng on his dame.
Hence in Turberville (1576), Manwood (1598), and later writers.
1597 2nd Pt. Return fr. Parnass. ii. v. 891 - The Roa-bucke is the first yeare a Kid, the second yeare a Girle, the third yeare a Hemuse.
1891 C. Wise Rockingham Castle 152.
Such odd names they had for things, a different name for different years of age.
Huh, nice.
02:24
@skullpatrol Yup that sounds fair.
 
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08:12
good morning
good morning
Is it correct to say.."your nose hair is showing.
only if someone's nose hair is showing.
oh what about
Your nose is showing hairs.
well, it's grammatical, but seems nonsensical to me
why? Like many hairs not just one
08:17
noses don't have agency
"I can see the hairs in your nose"
"Your nose has hair coming out of it"
i see
thank you
no problem
answer me something
do you think this construction is correct?
was that a use or a mention?
!!wiki use mention distinction
The use–mention distinction is a foundational concept of analytic philosophy, according to which it is necessary to make a distinction between using a word (or phrase) and mentioning it, and many philosophical works have been "vitiated by a failure to distinguish use and mention". The distinction is disputed by non-analytic philosophers. The distinction between use and mention can be illustrated for the word cheese: ;Use: Cheese is derived from milk. ;Mention: "Cheese" is derived from the Old English word "cyse". The first sentence is a statement about the substance called cheese; it uses...
08:28
like this
He was quite...She said."Answer me something"
quuiet
She said, "answer me something."
yes, that's fine
i see
anserine
Do you know this word
do native speakers know this
09:30
I do not know that word
Well, I didn't until I looked up the meaning.
09:59
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Q: english language phrase describe me?

vinay singh when can we use of "to be" words in English language ? when do we use of "should have" in common English ? how can we learn a professional English language ? please describe me of active and passive voice ?

Answer me all the questions!
Buy me all the ponies!
I'll buy you all the ponies I already own.
I'm not buying that.
What do you think of this epigram?
10:05
The spammer is back.
@RegDwigнt did you nix them already?
Am I a spammer?
Coz Reg said I was a spammer
so I thought it was a spam.
I nixed all the ponies.
I assume Reg wasn't referring to you
10:08
@MattЭллен What do you think of the epigra,?
epigram?
Your assumption is throws dice... correct.
Woo!
snake eyes
Worse luck next time!
:D no doubt
@username901345 it made sense. I don't remember any grammatical flaws
yes, it's not got any grammatical errors I can see.
I see.
It is a very strange piece of thinking.
10:12
It's just teenage angst
Like then why are you here?
But in this book, it is by an old man, a supposedly learned man.
Versed in the Bible.
then he must have been feeling depressed when he wrote it
it's a pretty usual sentiment, in my experience
So. If something deprives you of a not infrequent desire to commit suicide, does it accomplish that by making the desire more frequent?
Seriously though, I have no idea what the hell the author is saying.
10:15
possibly
a not infrequent means it comes very often to us
its just that
if we feel happy and unhappy, we cant kill ourselves.
we just cling to this life.
@RegDwigнt I interpreted it that sometimes the author is depressed and contemplates suicide, but then something makes them happy, so they stop feeling suicidal
@MattЭллен exactly, but that makes no sense.
and this happens in some kind of cycle
@RegDwigнt it makes a normal amount of sense
maybe more "cheers them up" than "makes them happy"
@MattЭллен he is not saying the world makes you feel nice when you feel miserable. He says the world makes you feel nice and at the same time it itself makes you feel miserable.
> making us feel happy and miserable at the same time
10:17
true
The world is not heaven that deprives you of your inner hell. It is both heaven and hell imposed onto you.
that happens
!!define ambivalence
@MattЭллен ambivalence The coexistence of opposing attitudes or feelings (such as love and hate) towards a person, object or idea.
So it "deprives" you of desire to kill yourself which is supposedly a good thing, except it wouldn't exist in the first place if the world were any good.
we even have a word for it
@RegDwigнt exactly
it's only good enough to stop you wanting to kill yourself
10:19
That's not depriving.
well, it is in that the author is in two minds
Japanese commit harakiri in that emotion. They want to live but they have to be strong enough to kill themselves.
It is a show of strength.
I would say that's somewhat different.
@MattЭллен yeah, the one being "self-indulgent" and the other "self-loving".
10:20
@username901345 because that's about honour not ennui
!!define ennui
@MattЭллен ennui A gripping listlessness or melancholia caused by boredom; depression (Wikipedia).
I understand what the author is trying to say, but he doesn't seem to understand he is failing at that.
I disagree that he is failing
although the statement is gone, and I don't have a great memory
Well, he says the desire to kill yourself is always there (which is nonsense to me), and that the world deprives you of that desire by being good and awful to you (which is more nonsense still, only good alone would work).
10:24
but when one wakes up wishing he had never been born and asks himself why he won't kill himself and there is no answer but he just goes on living
well, that makes sense to me
Why would the 50% good outweigh the 50% bad?
hi guys :-)
It might as well tip you the other way. And often enough it does.
@RegDwigнt I would say the author perhaps has more happiness/staying power than he realises, but still feels wretched
@MattЭллен wait, that is something completely different. "There is no answer so you just go on" has nothing to do with either bad or good. It's indifference.
10:26
in that respect you could call it "failure", but I don't count misreporting your own mood as failure.
@MattЭллен I am just saying there are OVER 9000 ways to say what he wants to say, but he opted for one that is objectively more rubbish than some of the others. And indeed other people have said it in 8999 other ways, which perhaps was the reason he opted for this subpar one, to not blatantly copy others.
:D
quite possibly
This is much more ambiguous
in terms of both meaning and grammar
Cleaning up spam on aisle 42...
Just let matters slide. How much better to accept each sweet drop of the honey that was Time, than to stoop to the vulgarity latent in every decision. However grave the matter at hand might be, if one neglected it for long enough, the act of neglect itself would begin to affect the situation, and someone else would emerge as an ally. Such was Count Ayakura's version of political theory.
10:30
Today it's better known as the Merkel approach.
Procrastination is a popular choice
@skullpatrol morning
Actually not popular enough. One would think by now every politician would have figured out that they are getting the money anyway and would stop messing with the world.
10:31
@MattЭллен good morning :D
I suppose it's politicians that should procrastinate, but it is the hoi polloi who just wait to be told what to do
Is this past tense because of subjective or because of the past tense of the overall passage.
They're describing something that was, so they used the past tense.
I see.
I love Tennyson better than Mishima.

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