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14:00
And now, I must shut you all down so I can test my system. Later!
@KitFox nah it's cool
@KitFox none taken. we're all lunatics. even date the people we meet on there soemtimes
bye kit!
@Mitch does that include using their bones as the foundations of great monuments?
14:18
Hello.
@Cerberus Hallo!
Hola!
Hi!
HELLO. EVERYONE. HOW. ARE. YOU. ON. THIS. FINE. MONDAY.
14:32
Wow
I was tempted to remove the period between FINE and MONDAY just to really mess with your head.
that was painful
I was also tempted to write like that all day but it would probably hurt me more than it hurts you.
This job application...is 11 pages long. WHY???
They want to make sure you are serious.
What are you applying for?
14:37
@meer2kat Yuck.
Just a starter level job at a restaurant. I don't have my degree yet so I'm going to take whatever job I can get. It sucks though. I'll be cutting my current pay in half again no matter where I go
99% of the job application is not read by the person who interviews you.
@MrHen Exactly.
It's a deterrent.
Blah
14:38
They figure most people won't jump through the hoop just to become wait staff.
I wish I could just happily work at my engineering internship forever
Therefore, they limit the number of applicants.
Why not apply for a job there?
@KitFox precisely
@KitFox Or their "recruiters" suck.
@KitFox Yeah, but that trick only works if you have gobs of applicants. :/
14:39
@KitFox Because I don't have my engineering degree?
Or ask the people you work with for some recommendations.
Don't need a degree to take advantage of connections.
@KitFox different city and state
@KitFox Very true
I have to move back to town
@MrHen For wait staff? Absolutely you would. Everybody thinks they can do that.
14:39
For classes in the Fall
My friend was applying to this job she had to do a test for. She failed, and after many phone calls it turned out that every single applicant (out of 60 or so) had failed the test, and the recruiter didn't even know this, or didn't do anything about it.
@Cerberus wow
So all the applicants were unqualified.
@KitFox Hm, yeah that's true.
14:40
No degree, no car, and have to move back to town. AKA I'm going to be working at a restaurant or a book store lol
@meer2kat They might still know people or have connections. It doesn't hurt to ask around.
It's got to be better than waiting tables.
@KitFox that's true :)
@KitFox This was a rather standard kind of job. My friend knows she was perfectly qualified. 60/60 applicants fail the test. That means the whole recruitment process is in some way completely botched up.
Maybe. Maybe not.
Of course your friend thought she was perfectly qualified; everybody thinks so.
She's pretty rational.
And you know what happened?
In the end, they told her maybe the test sucked, so they told her she could move forward to the next phase in the application process.
14:45
@Cerberus niiice
@KitFox I see we have cynical KitFox present today. :)
Yes.
Yeah but don't ever assume a company is efficient or well organised!
Per usual.
"I love cats.
I love every kind of cat.
I just wanna hug all of them but I can’t;
Can’t hug every cat."

Actual song.
14:46
@KitFox Sometimes we have the OMGTEA KitFox.
@Cerberus No, you shouldn't assume that, and your friend was right to question it. Although it could be also that she has incorrectly assessed her abilities.
@MrHen oh my god too enough ass?
@KitFox If so, then so did the company.
Sometimes it's the bear.
In the end, they asked her to send them tests she had made in the past for other companies.
Which she had of course all passed.
Tests she had taken?
14:49
And passed, yes.
She is an experienced applicant, has worked at many big companies.
"Tests she had made" has a different meaning.
Oh made, yes, a typo.
@MrHen I just finished a cup of lapsang souchong.
14:51
speaking of typos, it's actually:
I love cats.
I love every kind of cat.
I just wanna hug them all, but I can’t;
Can’t hug every cat.

My apologies, guys
I don't see the typo.
@KitFox it's "them all" not "all of them"
That's not really a typo. That's a transcription error.
close enough
Ugh. Guess I'm an engineer today.
14:52
i done goofed. better? :P
@KitFox do you not want to be? engineers are the best
I have an advanced degree in engineering. Usually I am proud of this fact. Today, it feels like smoke. Tears in the rain.
@KitFox why?
It is an impediment to the cheerful spinning of partial truths.
With which I shall make a net to catch young engineers.
And now jelly babies and a shower. bbl
@meer2kat You can try!!
Just hug every cat you come across.
@Cerberus But if you do assume it of an established company, you will be right nearly all the time. Economic thinking.
15:00
kit confuses me sometimes
@MετάEd It is better not to assume anything.
And this company is fairly big, their turnover was 250 million last year.
@KitFox Oh My God That Enormous Ass would have been more amusing.
@Cerberus If you are about to invest a lot of money in a company, that is true. If you are just a consumer who wants to know if a five year warranty is going to be any good, you should just assume.
I think this discussion is too abstract.
My original statement was meant to be an abstract truism.
Ahh, truisms. Love those.
!!define truism
15:17
@KitFox truism A self-evident or obvious truth.
15:51
@MATT!
Hay!
@KitFox I just watched Cabin In The Woods. I wish I hadn't waited until after I knew the ending.
I haven't seen it. It looked really scary.
probably. because I knew how it ends it was less scary
Isn’t this unprotected multi-collider super-attractor of low-quality answers actually an off-topic “How do I choose the right identifier name for blah?” question?
4
Q: Is there a word to describe the state of being the only one of something?

mahokeI need a word to describe the state of being the only one of something. For context, it's for the UI of a scientific device that detects and analyzes cells. In this particular case, we are talking about a particular cell that the device has judged to be the only one there. The phrase needs to b...

Yes.
16:05
I’m out of close votes today.
@MattЭллен OK, I'll go with that. I'll watch it now that i know it is less scary.
What is the word for unique?
@MattЭллен There's only one that I know of.
I don't understand, because I'm not going to read the question and just assume that the asker is not a native speaker or stupid
His table’s column-header should just read “Is unique?” or “Unique?” and be done with it. And the row-values take a boolean answer.
16:07
@KitFox it's got a few jump scares, but if you liked Buffy and Angel, then this is for you
If we can’t close it, then couldn’t we at least please protect it?
Single-valued or multi-valued.
Still, this is a programming question, not an English question.
I protected it, but that's not going to help much.
Thanks.
I'm trying to write this effing presentation and I can't do it. I feel completely incompetent.
Really I just want to delete all the single-word-requests on the site and tell the askers to deal with it.
But that's a reaction to my own work.
I often feel the same way, and I don’t think it is usually a reaction to my own work.
For the record:
This question is specifically off-topic here, because it asks help for naming something in a program. It should be closed for that reason. The best answer is to bame your column “Unique” and put a “yes” or “no” boolean answer under it. You could also go for “single-valued vs. multi-valued”. In any event, this question does not belong on ELU. — tchrist 46 secs ago
And yes, I s/bame/name/
16:15
you can edit commensts
He did.
Damn it, it won’t even let me raise a close flag. Well, I’ve done all I can do.
Rain. Literal cats and dogs are falling from the sky
why is it so important to close the question?
16:18
I blame America
If you had kept your cold weather, it would be dry and warm here.
@JohanLarsson Draws flies. Broken-window policy. Naming stuff in programs is off-topic. ET hoc genus omne.
oh. and hail
the lightning's pretty cool, though
@tchrist This could be on-topic. I understand what the OP is trying to ask and there is an ELU relevant question in there somewhere. :P
Ha! Take that UK!
Appropriate for Patriot's Day, in any case.
@MattЭллен Ave Matthaee
Gosh, that doesn’t look good at all.
16:20
@KitFox lol
Ha-HA!
Of course, actual Patriot's Day was last week.
This is observed Patriot's Day.
@MrHen Mmm, perhaps it a dupe then?
Aren’t all patriots observed?
but it must be closed
16:21
drinks tea spitefully, having not paid British taxes on it
> What word means unique?
@tchrist The quality of being unique.
@KitFox Uniqueness, uniquity.
And this is why we shouldn't ever allow single word requests.
> is_unique
16:23
There is something deeply ironic about a brand guide that has misaligned title, such that "guide" is partially cut off.
@tchrist Possibly. But as asked, this is way Too Narrow.
I hate that they took away that close reason.
@tchrist It's a label, not a column header.
Be that as it may, I favor is_unique.
Somebody is playing with the starboard in the hopes of triggering an epileptic seizure. Please don’t make us run the code that says who it is.
You don't know?
Pretty sure I'm the only one here with that power.
brb more jelly beans.
I wasn’t paying attention to what was going on. I thought it was a flash attack.
16:26
I have only one star, liked Rob's stand in stupid. Low res so I see only 5 items.
There were too many singles and I was impatient.
I don't like the yellow ones so much. Anybody want these?
None merited my starring them.
proffers yellow jelly beans
@KitFox what flavour are they?
The yellow ones are your own.
16:27
@MattЭллен lemon.
Lemon yellow.
Orange orange.
Grass green.
Actually, I think the orange are worse. Supposed to be peach or something.
Wait, no lime.
@KitFox Oh! OK. I can swap you for some skittles sours if you like
Sure!
16:28
Orange should be tangerine.
swaps spit with @Matt
Oops, I mean skittles.
oh, right, of course
flees
16:29
Oh come now, @tchrist, I'm sure Matt would swap with you too.
hands tchrist flee powder
That isn’t the point.
Sure, sure.
And I’m not sure it’s you I’m jealous of in this.
Really? Because I'm pretty sure.
16:30
It just seems a bit TMIPDA.
I was just kidding.
I hadn’t thunk on it.
I have saltwater taffy too.
And did not care to.
I'm not offended that I'm not your type.
Many people are uncomfortable with variant.
16:31
that reminds me of that video I watched about typescript. It left me ambivalent about the whole thing
ha! so much rain a car alarm is going off
Aren't you people known for rain?
yes
but that was quite a downpour
@KitFox I sometimes have a failing for smart cute girls, but it’s something I try to hide/avoid/control because I know from experience that no good comes of it.
I consider it a character flaw.
@MattЭллен why?
Anders is great to watch at least no?
Having a failing for cute anything is always a character flaw. Except for kittens. Then it’s alright.
16:40
failing for cute?
Because kittens can never backstab you.
what documentation do you think is good/useful to produce when writing code?
@JohanLarsson It is a character flaw to be better disposed towards attractive people than to unattractive ones.
@JohanLarsson well parts of me like the idea of easily integrating javascript development into IDEs, but on the other hand, it misses the point of javascript, for me at least.
And sometimes a dangerous one at that.
16:43
@MattЭллен It is meant to be broken?
@tchrist swap in the second part?
@JohanLarsson ?
@JohanLarsson no, it's meant to be dynamic. type inference is great, but I would prefer to see enhancements to c# (that constructor thing creating members is good for static typed languages) rather than tying down javascript
the ctor is coming in C# 6
that and a bunch of nice things including: Fuu.?Meh
Now that Roslyn is finished I expect nice things at high frequency from C#
also it seems they use much from F#
16:47
I don’t buy books based on their covers, either.
I buy wine based on the cover.
Why, because of the price-tag on it?
I guess you can do that with people, too.
I buy books based on their cover. Or I would, if I bought books.
Also, based on their blurb.
@tchrist I'm not really interested in wine, go for midrange and a clean label.
And whatever I read in the middle when I open it.
16:51
Good morning.
I buy books based on (1) Is it by an author whom I already know that I enjoy? (2) Has it been recommended by a friend I trust? (3) Has it been garlanded by Locus, Nebula, or Hugo, and in that order?
Elitist.
@Mahnax Hello!
@Mahnax Hello
@KitFox What, putting Locus at the front and Hugo at the end? Anything else is silly.
!!define garlanded
16:52
@Mahnax If you were interested in a summer internship in software development, what would I need to tell you to sell you on our shop?
@JohanLarsson garlanded simple past tense and past participle of
@KitFox Oh, fun question! Let's see.
!!urban Judy Garland
@MattЭллен Judy Garland Judy Garland, AKA Miss Show Biz, was a wonderfully beautiful actress and singer from the 1930s to the late 1960s, when she unexpectedly died a premature death caused by her drug usage. She's the woman who made "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas" the Christmas standard it is today, and sung "Over the Rainbow" in The Wizard of Oz by L. Frank Baum.
phew
I think I need more taffy.
16:53
I was expecting no result...
@MattЭллен did you know garlanded?
@JohanLarsson yes
nice man!
it means "put a garland on"
@tchrist do you trust me?
16:55
I'd read a book if it had been recommended on the EL&U blog
YES!
There's this question on Philosophy SE about endangered languages, and I figured that it hinges on an argument similar to a need for biological diversity. But what I don't get is how biological diversity requires the utmost effort to save any species (when there are plenty), unless one subscribes to speciecism. And ideas?
Are students "aspiring professionals"?
@GlenTheUdderboat You'll have to clarify.
Diversity is necessary to provide an adequate basis for adaptation.
I don't see how that invokes speciesism.
@KitFox I think that in the current market, the very opportunity is a rarity, especially if the student is my age (with no experience beyond anything picked up in high school).
@GlenTheUdderboat we don't know what losing any given species might do.
16:57
@Mahnax So pretty much, hey, it's fun, come try it?
@KitFox So, how does the need for diversity become an argument to save some species, even when its disappearance wouldn't make things undiversified? I just don't get it.
Paid is always attractive, of course. I suppose that for a person who thinks like I do, the opportunity to start working on something that is applicable in the real world is very appealing. Working with real professionals on something would be a very cool experience, provided said professionals are not doing so begrudgingly.
@GlenTheUdderboat How could it not make it undiversified?
@KitFox Because you go from 800000 to 799999 species.
That's still diversified.
[I made up the number.]
You're thinking too abstractly.
17:01
@KitFox Oh. I thought I was being pragmatic. :) How so?
It's not diverse if that one species has the one thing you needed to survive.
Then you go from diversified to not in a single species.
@KitFox Is this based on some idea that each species is essential for the survival of all species??
This is based on the idea that you have no idea what will be necessary and essential for survival.
Not that every species is, but that any species might be.
@KitFox OK. But what if it costs to save a species of unknown use?
It does cost, and you gamble.
And that is speciesist.
17:05
Is any species worth a human life?
Is any species worth all of human life?
I'm not a PETA activist; I advocate for the superiority of humankind.
@KitFox You meant to insert 'potentially' in there, right?
I am a speciesist.
@GlenTheUdderboat No.
@KitFox Oh, jeez, I got the meaning of 'speciesism' completely wrong!
I wanted to use the word for species as opposed to individuals having rights.
Which would be?
Individualist?
I don't know.
17:10
What would you call a person who advocates the destruction of all antipodean humans for the saving of the amazonian humming bee (given that choice)?
Sorry: the last few amazonian humming bees.
Anyway, @Kit, sorry that that wasn't particularly useful. I have to go out and run some errands now, but I wish you luck with the internship things! Good day, folks.
@Mahnax That was helpful, thanks!
@GlenTheUdderboat Stupid.
@Mahnax good day
@KitFox Yes, but there must be a more specific term. :)
I didn't think it was appropriate though.
17:17
Note that this can go even more bizarre. People sacrificing much (or at least putting effort in) to save a single species in one country. As if the animal kingdom knows about the national borders.
As if biodiversity on a national level is important (too).
17:35
@KitFox Nailed it.
I'm good like that.
@Robusto Do you know what such proponents are called specifically?
Do I really need to ask on the main site?
@MattЭллен finely ground as cement or as structural support (intact femurs are the best). Everyone works together.
@GlenTheUdderboat Please do not ask that on the main site.
@GlenTheUdderboat people who will kill people to save animals: there is no specific term
17:44
3
Q: Should I highlight or downplay a character's quirk to make her seem more odd?

Ice-9In a visual novel my friend and I are writing, I created a female character who is obsessed with making furniture out of (living) people. Yeah, it's weird, but everyone in the story has their quirks. In the story, a bunch of social pariahs are trapped together in a hotel. She's one of the charact...

@Mitch ground under my heel. excellent
@KitFox lol
@tchrist but the color pattern on the spine tells you its personality. how else do you differentiate them all on your bookshelf?
@Mitch sort_by_isbn()
@MattЭллен Like a cigarette stub.
@tchrist I sort them by rainbow color.
@Mitch Not all colors appear in the spectrum.
17:47
@GlenTheUdderboat Just like a speciesist to do something like that.
In particular, there are no purples.
@tchrist Oohhh....invisible books...
And then you have the problem of the neutrals: black/white/grey.
And the pastels/desaturated, but then you can still use the hue.
@tchrist writes note to tell publisher next book cover art should be purple
But if you are admitting RGB metameric matches instead of pure spectral frequencies, you cannot sort those because every spectral frequency (and mix thereof) has infinite metameres indistinguishable by the human vision system.
Jez
Jez
17:49
finally knuckled down and mowed the lawn today
@GlenTheUdderboat depends on which set of people is on the opposite side of your podes.
But without an RGB metamere, you cannot deal with purples (red–blue mixes). Yet where do you put them?
The important thing is to put all the McFoo and MacBar people between L and M, and sort only after the "c".
@tchrist call it violet and then a day.
Jez
Jez
if wonder whether you can encourage grass to spread?
see, i have a corner of my garden that gets deluged by leaves from a tree above it for 3 months a year
@Mitch Violet is a spectral color; purple/magenta/pink is not.
17:53
you can encourage it all you want, but that won't guarantee it will listen.
Jez
Jez
if some grass there manages to survive it (most doesn't), I'd like to spread that grass to the whole area
as it's obviously hard-wearing / hardy
@Mitch But there are people who lobby for the survival of almost extinct species because the species is almost extinct. (And not because they are furry, cuddly. Although, perhaps that is the reason.) So, it appears that they give preference to the existence of some species above the/any/some individual. Those people must have a name.
@KitFox You can read Locus Reviews, irrespective of award status.
When someone says something in a foolish, excited, or incomprehensible way for a brief moment, somebody within earshot asks about it on ELU. — John Lawler 26 mins ago
I do so wish he were wrong.
@GlenTheUdderboat I dunno.
I would have to make something up.
18:10
I’ll believe that “Obama plans clemency for hundreds of drug offenders” when I see it, and not a moment before.
18:43
@Jez Removes the leaves every week?
18:58
hola?

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