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19:00
@Cerberus: Comodo changes your DNS settings. Is that for all traffic, or just that involving the Comodo browser? It doesn't seem to specify.
Ahh this is so much better than trying to type with my husband's gloves that are too big for me.
Well, now I have a list of links. I suppose I could write a script to grab all the metadata from every one of those links and stuff it into a something somewhere.
@KitFox This kind of data makes little sense to me. Where did this come from?
@MrHen Powermapper, which is a spider, pulled all this from the web pages.
I have no idea why I'm so cold today, but it's like my hands were numb trying to type without the gloves.
19:01
@aediaλ Where do you live that you need any gloves for typing? Are you in a tent somewhere?
I wish I had gloves for typing. I used to.
Why?
@Robusto Totally inside and warm and otherwise ok. I just always have cold hands and feet and today it's extra bad.
@KitFox Gross. Do you care about stuff like "apple-mobile-web-app-capable"?
I'd just go through the list of keys and pull out the stuff you actually care about
I don't think so, but the fields aren't breaking correctly because of the commas.
But they also put pipes in the page titles.
19:03
It seems weird that Powermapper is distinguishing between "access" and "Access"
So it must be detecting this info automatically based on... something
Seems to be that some pages have the same metadata specified more than once.
Also that some specify it differently than others.
Which is why there is a blank column title; some have no identifier.
I only came across "different than" on ELU. I only ever used "different from" myself.
@KitFox Yeah. I'm just trying to understand what the scope of the "metadata" is. This seems really... massive.
Yes, it is.
I only need maybe ten or so fields, but I can't get the fields to divide correctly.
@KitFox Well, it looks like they have two types of columns. There are hardcoded columns (e.g. URL, Title) and then stuff that is being automatically generated (i.e. anything surrounded in quotes)
I'm guessing they didn't bother to escape commas in the field names. :P
19:07
No, of course not. It's a broadsword, not a scalpel.
Well, what I'd do is drop it into a text editor and replace all instances of "," with a newline and see what happens
How will that help?
You'd get a clean list of all field names
Oh, I thought you meant for the rows.
er, sorry. replace "," with "\n"
19:09
I know what a newline is, but thanks.
no, I meant, don't throw away the quotes
Ooh Captain America 2 is coming to the cinemas here.
the backtick formatting in chat is terrible
Wow, somebody downvoted Lawler for a right answer.
Oh. Why keep the quotes?
19:09
s/","/"\n"/
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A: Plural indefinite pronouns?

John LawlerWhat difference does it make whether you call them pronouns or not? It doesn't change their properties or their usage or their meaning or their syntax. Go right ahead and call them pronouns if you like -- or call them quantifiers or determiners. It makes no difference either way. It's just a n...

Because those look like they are actually part of the Powermapper field names
So you may need them later
Then, once you have a list of fields, scan through and find the ones you want to keep
Then figure out how to toss the crap you don't care about... which may be awkward depending on how all of this is stored. And you'd want a backup just so you don't have to run the crawler again
But this is all half guessing at what you really want to do. :P
Well, the columns aren't the issue. The weird breaking is the issue.
@KitFox Can you give me an example of that?
why not string.split(s, ',').Select(x=> x.Trim('"')?
19:13
Well, the crawler pulled in the whole URL and people are dumb about writing the metadata, so I've got titles that are over 255 characters long which contain commas, pipes, and double quotes. When I try to import the fields, they don't break into comments correctly.
And links with stuff that breaks wrong, and so on.
@KitFox So you just have all this junk in a flat file somewhere?
So my robots column might contain somebody's name, for instance.
@MrHen Yeah.
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Q: English word similar to Unagi

user3463248I am looking for a word (or two words) that means similar to Unagi (the concept they were trying to go for, not the fish!) - a total sense of awareness of yourself and your surroundings.

I say this is not a real question. What is UNAGI?
Eel.
@KitFox What did Powermapper use for delimiters? Can you post a few of the smaller cells?
19:15
Which is why I'm wondering if maybe I should take this list of links I have and get the metadata myself.
@MrHen Commas.
@KitFox Eh, that would work fine.
Except then I would have to do it.
@KitFox Just a single comma?! What a piece of crap.
19:15
@tchrist I know it means eel, lol.
And I'm not supposed to be writing stuff.
@MrHen I wonder if I have other options. I hadn't thought of that.
I've been converting it myself, but maybe there is a utility...
@KitFox Are there settings in the crawler anywhere?
214 fields. Yeesh.
@MrHen I'm checking.
It should offer you a choice of delimiters or, at least, a way to automatically escape commas in the data.
Maybe. It's pretty basic.
19:17
Anything that doesn’t allow for escapes cannot contain arbitrary data.
@KitFox Yeah, but no one would ever pay for this thing if it couldn't handle commas in the data... :P
Well, I didn't pay much for it.
Actually, I didn't pay for it.
It looks like this is my only option.
I wrote a really nice regex thing today, parsed a logfile and replaced numbers with regexpatterns
@KitFox I just gave options as an answer, lol.
ran it on a 25k lines log file and it found 192 unique rows and spat out regexes for them
spat?
19:21
...but then where are they storing this information?
Ah, well. Live and learn.
@JohanLarsson Yes, spat. Germanic strong verb.
Time for my commuting.
Yay for regex!
@tchrist so strong!
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A: What is the name of the tactic that politicians use to bury people with torrent of words?

user70384DEMAGOGIA DEMAGOGIA DEMAGOGIA DEMAGOGIA DEMAGOGIA DEMAGOGIA DEMAGOGIA

how is things Tom?
19:23
k
as in ålrejt?
yuh
i guess
@KitFox Yeah actually regex saved me a lot of time today.
Time that wouldn't have been in jeopardy if I had better software in the first place, oh well.
@Matt did you check out the undo thing?
19:28
I had a look over the code. I don't have the tools to compile it :D
(I'm still on VS 2010)
@MετάEd Every day of my life.
@tchrist How's your APL?
@MattЭллен the code is uglyish, the stuff it does is perhaps useful
@JohanLarsson so you're looking into the command pattern?
19:29
spent some time debugging to write it
@MattЭллен how do you mean?
@JohanLarsson for the undo? I tink that's what it's called
yeah I guess, no undoable commands though
your code looked like a familiar pattern, anyway :)
jsttracks state for togglebuttons selectors and textboxes
Today I ran into the 65536 character limit on a single SQL Query in LibreOffice Base.
19:31
Uh oh, looks like John Lawler may be taking crap for being snarky? That isn't a user we want to discourage...
@MετάEd It’s the people who write ugly, unreadable, cryptic patterns upon whom the guilt for that abominable act should fall, not the pattern itself. There is never an excuse for writing a confusing pattern. Ever.
@MattЭллен yeah found som stuff in a blog that i started from
@JohanLarsson cool
@tchrist Oh, I wasn't snarking about APL = regex. It was a serious question.
Don’t do APL.
19:32
I am giving some actual thought to drinking the APL Kool-Aid.
I should probably learn Chinese at the same time.
You’re full of vim.
emacs!
sorry, nervous tic
And vigger.
@MrHen Indeed. Lotsa downdingers going his way.
@tchrist I don't think he'll care so much... but I've been trying to convince people to post answers in comments. He'll just go back to posting things in comments as often as possible.
Which is understandable.
You’re right.
Me, I’m just tired.
19:40
Oh well.
I'm tired of people stirring up trouble without helping work toward a solution.
For all X in tired of X.
@tchrist ;)
@MrHen Well, he's the definition of what you were complaining about on meta. Just saying.
@Robusto I'm not sure I'd agree, actually.
But the point is that targeting specific users is just drama.
For the record, we actually tried a real Summer of Love back in 1967, and look how well that went.
19:44
It doesn't solve anything.
I expect the same result this time.
@Robusto Hippies being trampled in mud?
@MrHen No. A declaration that the Summer of Love was a failure.
@Robusto Oh.
At least mud trampling is entertaining.
@MrHen You're thinking of Woodstock, the buzz for which lasted precisely until the Altamont festival of the same year.
19:46
@Robusto Ah, true.
Not exactly my era of expertise.
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(I'm more proud of that pun than I have any excuse to be.)
I had to look for it.
@Robusto I'll take that as a win.
A good pun goes unnoticed for least 24 hours.
19:49
@JohanLarsson Looks like someone got stuck using a JavaScript framework.
@JohanLarsson Don’t worry, it’s a Volvo: it’ll come back.
They got in under their heads.
@Robusto :) prolly ducktyped it as a bridge
See what happens when you use declarative bindings?
It's also a metaphor for NAFTA, if anybody is playing along at home.
It's also a metaphor for the Titanic sinking!
A meta-metaphor!
is struck by an insatiable desire to add more "meta" and repeat aloud, but keeps getting tripped up when reaching "I've never met a meta-meta-metaphor"
20:42
If you get the chance to see "Stewart Lee's Comedy Vehicle: Series 3: Context" definitely watch it.
Comedy gold
I've never heard of Stewart Lee before. I'll definitely check it out
@MattЭллен Sorry, I don't settle for anything less than comedy platinum.
oh. hmmm. you might say it's comedy osmium
I want to say, 'make your window tiny' but with using the word 'resize'. Could anyone suggest a way?
minimise your window?
20:51
'Resize your window into a tiny window'?
shrink your window?
That's pretty good actually!
Ty.
Though I'm still wondering a way to connect 'resize' with it.
Maybe there isn't any not-so-awkward way.
"Resize your window down" works for me
20:56
bangs head on table Man. Why is double-checking the path to the images the last place I look when some images aren't working?
because... um... it's Friday!
That's a good one too! :D @MattЭллен
@MattЭллен Maybe "resize your window to be smaller"? "Down" to me is slightly confusing as I'd not be sure if the author actually meant to minimize it
@aediaλ oh, yeah. that's good
@MattЭллен I know! My brain is like "I'm done with this" even though I have like another houuuuuur!
20:58
@aediaλ Ah, that's probably the one I was looking for. Ty.
@aediaλ aaaaagh, the longest hour
All hours are equally long.
(waits for a physicist to refute that claim)
sends physician to Matt
@aediaλ You rang?
21:10
So amazon preorder is pretty cool, I get to order six months before the book is published, lol.
@JohanLarsson Mackie Messer
ok my guess was Macke, was unsure enough to not write it :)
Hm, there is a Christianity.SE.
I am now deciding between France and Germany as the place of my next rebirth.
Ach, es sind des Haifischs Flossen
rot, wenn dieser Blut vergießt.
Mackie Messer trägt 'nen Handschuh
drauf man keine Untat liest.
@KitFox Where's our multilingual punner?
21:16
@mitch Would you help me make a choice?
So, is Kit
@JasperLoy depends on the choices.
-Sox sleeping?
and the question.
accidentally pressed enter
!!Hi.
21:17
It's always getting in the way.
@Mitch Should I be reborn in France or Germany?
That's hard. The food is just as good in Germany as in France... wait. That's insane. The food is just way better all around in France. Except Indian food. The French don't know how to cook rice. It's their Achilles heel. Gastronomically speaking.
@MετάEd Hehe :)
To answer that, I have to ask you some questions first. Do you like to follow rules? Or rather do you like -others- to follow rules.
@Mitch I like neither.
21:20
@Mitch Food in Germany is really good ime
@JasperLoy In France there's a wet north like Germany, but also a dry summery south unlike anything in Germany.
@JohanLarsson Bettern French?
never been to France
Restaurant food in Germany is only so-so.
I've been to the south of germany a couple of times with work, surprisingly good food in restaurants that does not look like much
@JasperLoy hm...In France they respect rules just as much as in Germany, in the sense that that they respect the authority they should have on others.
In France ... way too many glasses and forks and such on restaurant tables. even the most informal table has two different of every kind of utensil and dish and glass.
@JasperLoy Would you be reborn as a German /French person or as yourself?
21:23
@Mitch Of course the former, lol.
France is sort of OK as yourself... in Germany you'd be a guest worker even if born there and not officially a guest worker.
Hmm, I guess I need to watch more French and German movies to make the decision...
But either place would be really good compared to where I am now.
There's nothing here left for me, except my dear mum.
@JasperLoy Yes, movies are recommended, because in addition to helping you choose (they may not), you'll get to watch movies!
@JasperLoy England doesn't interest you?
You don't have to worry about a new language.
@Mitch Nope. And that is talking about next life, not this life. THis life I probably won't go to F or G.
The food is terrible in comparison to France and Germany.
@JasperLoy Don't rule anything out.
Pretty much if you're born anywhere it's better than those bastards next door.
21:30
I know I sound like I am exaggerating, but I really feel weird here.
I cannot be passionate about anything I do here, because people are always disagreeing with me.
Anyway, enough ranting!
Interesting documentary about Grigori Perelman.
Found the link on math meta.
and maybe it is better next door, but those bastards are totally spoiled and don't deserve it.
 
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23:19
So I emailed the publisher to ask for a list of all books in a certain series, and they did not reply. Maybe they are still working on it, or maybe they couldn't care.
23:39
@Robusto I'm not sure why you would ask me, but it could be they use their own DNS server and make you use it system wide.
But my bet would be on a simple proxy in the browser.

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