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Justin Timberlake?
Really?
Really.
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Q: Word that means tendency to avoid something

DanielTAI am looking for a word that means "Tendency to avoid something". At first I thought that the word aversion fit the bill, but then I learned that its definition was "A strong dislike towards something." For example, most people have an aversion towards feces. I am looking for a word that means cl...

Is this a dupe of my question?
I guess it's no accident that the Coens used Townes at the end of The Big Lebowski:
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Q: Is there a word that conveys an extreme distaste to the point nearing phobia?

David MI'm a strong swimmer, and I enjoy recreational lap swimming in pools. I enjoy sitting by an outdoor pool on vacation, and swimming to cool off. But, I detest swimming in natural water (lakes, rivers, oceans, etc.). I will go out of my way to avoid it. I'm not afraid of doing so. I've never h...

Inside Lewyn Davis is kind of the Coen Bros. version of Five Easy Pieces.
I gotta crash. Night all.
04:05
@DavidM The suffixes -phobic and phobia, while strictly meaning "fear", also have broader or metaphorical uses, such as hydrophobic.
@Robusto Night.
@Cerberus True, true.
These are now very popular in Greece, they mix traditional music with various other things.
They're getting huge. The drummer is also a childhood friend of mine but some of their live stuff (not necessarily that one) are great!
@Robusto night! Thanks for the tunes!
@DavidM So I would probably not frown upon calling what you describe "limnophobia" even though it isn't fear.
And even though it isn't restricted to lakes.
@Robusto Is that what that was? I love that song!
@Cerberus IDK, it feels wrong to label it a phobia. I think it is an aversion or abhorrence. I don't experience any panic, fear, etc.
04:08
@DavidM aversion?
@DavidM I know, it isn't fear...
Ah, you just said that. Abhorrence is too strong I think.
@terdon To swimming in natural water.
lol, bastard:
..........sissy — RyeɃreḁd Mar 6 at 21:24
I accepted abhorrence, but technically there is no word for it.
04:09
Hehe.
@terdon He's my frenemy.
Nice.
Yeah, yours and everyone else's.
He especially loves to harp on my posts. Even mentioned it in a Meta post.
I would go for aversion. I think abhorrence is way to strong for what you describe.
@DavidM He annoys me, he thinks way too much of himself.
He can be funny though.
04:10
@terdon Yes and yes.
He was suspended for a while.
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A: How to guarantee getting downvotes without explanation

RyeɃreḁdThe fact is the site would never work if you had to comment on a downvote. I create internal applications at my company that work sort-of-similar to SE and the ones that have less rules get used more. It would take too long. As most users might be OK with the time, it would keep them from loo...

@DavidM Yeah
Oh wow, I got caught in the crossfire between medica and brad yesterday...
WTF was that?
Chill out. You don't know the other person's true reaction to your answer. For instance I disagree with @DavidM a lot because I think his answers are a bit pretentious. I hardly ever downvote his stuff because I don't downvote unless I think something is dead wrong, something is explained way too long, or if something is used that was already provided in an earlier answer.
@terdon Which one . . .
I like her, but you have to be pretty controversial to piss off Bradd.
@DavidM I know, I read this a while ago, but I appreciate his balls to mention you by name. I think that's actually quite decent in a way.
04:12
He's very even tempered.
@terdon I was flattered.
@DavidM I do too! Brad had pissed her off and I took some shit over it. All ended on a friendly note I was just taken aback.
It sort of turned the corner of my opinion on him.
Yeah, me too actually. I appreciate honesty.
This one but the comments are gone: english.stackexchange.com/q/160117/25030
I'm fairly brutally honest with people. I expect the same.
She left some really quite snarky comments and Brad understandably took offense and I just got the feeling there was some backstory there.
@DavidM Same here. I try to temper it online where things are written and tone of voice does not come into play though.
04:15
Woof.
Her comments are borderline sometimes.
For example, the more I like someone the more I tend to take the piss and some people get offended but it's a sign of respect and affection on my part.
@DavidM Ooh boy, they were over the line there. All gone now.
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A: Why place a hand on the Bible instead of the Judge's genitals when taking an oath?

David MI think this is a chicken and the egg argument. The notion that testimony springs forth from the testicles and/or their use as an agent of swearing truth appears spurious. And, in fact, conceptually the etymology seems to have gone in the opposite direction. The concept of testicles from the l...

I hate it when people take the SE sites personally. And I really like medica/susan, whatever's posts.
Her response to me was you said he consecrated his penis, where'd you go to hebrew school.
I called her out on it, and she retracted it. Damned decent of her.
I do, too.
@DavidM Deleted?
04:18
> @medica All I can do is rely upon my experience, and the sources above. Jews just don't revere testicles. I'm not sure why. I'm rather attached to my own. ;-) – David M 21 hours ago
@terdon Yes.
@DavidM Fair enough then, there's little I respect more than the ability to back down when you're wrong.
I basically responded, I made a word choice error (which wasn't that much of an error), and there's no need to be insulting here.
She took it back.
And let's not forget, we're all pedantic bastards here, each and every one of us.
So, I took mine back.
I felt it was an altogether positive exchange.
@DavidM All good then :)
04:20
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A: Why place a hand on the Bible instead of the Judge's genitals when taking an oath?

GetzelRIn response to the initial question, not the etymology: The original post notes that the reason for the practice was incidental and unique to Abraham, and the underlying principle is more generic. Since one (a Jew) who swears must take with his hand an article related to a mitzvah (In fa...

Read this comment thread, same question.
Pretentious moi?
@DavidM - Heck, you can ask me that: According to Rashi, based on the Midrash Rabbah, it does not mean literally the thigh; it means the Milah (organ of circumcision). This is also the opinion of Tosefot in the Talmud Shevuot 38b. I told you, I researched this. — medica 12 hours ago
Shit!
What's Midrash?
Again, I believe it all to be in good spirits.
Midrash is the Torah and its commentaries.
Old testament plus Talmud, etc.
In Judaism, the Midrash (; plural midrashim) is the body of homiletic stories told by Jewish rabbinic sages to explain passages in the Tanakh. Midrash is a method of interpreting biblical stories that goes beyond simple distillation of religious, legal, or moral teachings. It fills in gaps left in the biblical narrative regarding events and personalities that are only hinted at. The purpose of midrash was to resolve problems in the interpretation of difficult passages of the text of the Hebrew Bible, using Rabbinic principles of hermeneutics and philology to align them with the religiou...
@DavidM Thanks, and no that is not good spirits. "You can ask me"? Sod off, I didn't ask you. That would have bothered me.
Well, technically ... just the talmud, etc. But its hard to divorce it from the relevant Torah portions.
So we could collectively refer to it as Jewish lore?
04:24
More of a running commentary on the Torah ... Cliff's Notes ...
@DavidM Does it change?
Adapt?
@terdon Not really.
It gets reinterpreted.
But, the text is itself canonized
@DavidM Well, that's something. The immutable nature of organized religion is something I've never been able to understand.
@terdon Judaism has no central authority.
So, it's always a giant argument.
@DavidM Yes, I know. Plus, as I understand it at least, it gives great importance to study and learning and is open to being attacked. Am I right?
04:27
Even the Talmud (which forms most of the Midrash), is a series of arguments between Rabbis about what people ate for dinner in the bible, etc.
I mean that young jews are expected to argue with their rabbi.
@terdon Yes, that is fairly accurate.
Well, that's a good deal better than the blind faith of Christianity right there.
@terdon There is plenty of blind faith in Judaism, too. Don't fool yourself.
Plenty of head in the sand, that's what it says in the Talmud and Torah stuff
Oh, I don't doubt that. My own prejudices lead me to call all faith blind, by definition.
04:28
Me, too.
Well, not exactly.
I believe that faith which is based upon initial rejection, re-examination, and reacceptance is true faith.
It's just that it represents too small of a portion of the believers.
@DavidM that's a different matter. Yes, and I have a lot of respect for people who have chosen and thought about their religion. Whatever that may be.
@terdon I respect their right to disagree with my opinion.
Because they have worked to form an actual opinion.
If they have arguments and have actually examined their beliefs, they're OK with me.
@DavidM Exactly.
Nevertheless, faith is blind by definition. It is belief in the absence of evidence, so I'm not really sure there is such a thing as non-blind faith.
I used to bend the minds of the Christian Coalition types in College. I think I made a few of them give up their faiths.
Not saying that's good or bad, just semantics.
04:31
@terdon Fair enough.
@DavidM Ah, yes, I had that with a gorgeous girl I met on a train ride.
Although it is the same as scientific theory.
I actually got her with as simple an argument as "Why aren't dinosaurs mentioned in the bible"? She was one of those. It stumped her.
You eventually have enough evidence to make a less than blind faith acceptance that still has some unknowns.
She was also all of 18 to my 20 mind so that's not so surprising.
@DavidM But isn't acceptance blind?
Hmm no, I see your point, not necessarily blind.
04:32
My favorite was: If God made us, then why did he make me to not believe in him?
@terdon Less than blind.
Mind you, I also have blind faith. I believe very strongly in the non-existence of god and as far as I'm concerned that's a faith like any other.
Then they would counter with . . . So I could be here to save your soul.
@DavidM Nah, it's the free will argument. They seem to think it is a good one, I;ve never understood why. It's completely circular.
To which I would reply, so an omnipotent God cares that I care one whit about his existence. And, not that I merely live my life with the best of intentions? So, he'd see me burn in hell for not attending his house of worship?
Oh yes, that's another favorite.
Do you know Bill Hicks?
04:35
So, if I am a good person, and live my life according to the best of ideals, but don't accept your "Jesus" fellow into my heart . . . I'm going to hell. Sounds fair to me.
@terdon Vaguely
@DavidM Ah, you should watch that then, he was excellent.
@terdon Listening in background.
@DavidM And yes, that was one of the first things that made me realize I was not a christian. My sister was a pagan at the time, so I was damned if I'd believe in a religion that'd send my sister to hell. That was my job!
Here's my other favorite. Adam and Eve had sons. Those sons reproduced with women produced from somewhere . . . I can't remember . . .
No no no
04:37
So, wouldn't they be mating with their first cousins?
That's where Darwin comes in!
The apes!
@terdon Hahahahahahaha
Pet theory that :)
Actually, it was worse, Adam and Eve had many kids, not just Cain and Abel. They were at it like bunnies with each other apparently.
> Genesis four tells of the birth of Cain and Abel, Adam and Eve's first children, while Genesis five gives Adam's genealogy past that. Adam and Eve are listed as having three children, Cain, Abel and Seth, then "other sons and daughters".
04:39
@terdon Ah .... convenient.
So, they were having incestuous relations?
Either that or bestiality, take your pick.
And yay for American Dad!
I love that one with the God Squad types.
@terdon Family Guy. Same creator, though.
Hicks has a really nice one, something about how it's strange that people who are against pornography, because it causes sexual thought (apparently, talk about getting the horse before the cart), also tend to be those who say we should be fruitful and multiply. So, we should have sex, just try not to think about it?
@DavidM Duh, yes, sorry.
@terdon Ha!
That would pose certain physiological conundrums to men.
Ah, speaking of which, quick medical question. Is it true that the "natural" state of the penis is erection? That when we are in deep sleep we will always have erections?
That's what my housemate claims. He's paraplegic so he's looked into it but I've never looked it up.
04:44
@terdon Sex is only for procreation.
@Cerberus I knew that would get you back if anything would :)
Hehe.
@Cerberus And that is a strange statement from someone with your particular preferences.
Strange statement from anyone of course but...
Sex should only be engaged in through a hole in a sheet, in the dark.
Enjoyment = sin.
Close you eyes and think of England?
04:46
Yes!
But seriously, it never ceases to amaze me how religious fundamentalists are so preoccupied with sex.
All their stupid holy books are about sex.
@Cerberus I don't see why. Just try not thinking about a pink elephant.
Heh.
Well, you can think about it, but ignore it?
Of course they're obsessed with it, they spend their days trying not to think about it.
Obviously, they fail. Miserably.
While the rest of us happily spend our days thinking about it :)
04:48
Haha.
Still, it's strange.
Other cultural elements tend not to talk about sex.
Other elements of a conservative nature.
Yes, I was talking about that with some friends over dinner, is it actually stated anywhere that sex is bad? In the Judeo-Christian teachings or is this 19th century prudishness?
Yes.
Yes, it is explicitly stated?
Not sure how exactly.
But the perfect life is that of a monk; those of us who lack the strength can choose marriage as a second-best option.
But, but "be fruitful and multiply"!
04:49
That is second best.
@Cerberus Ah, yes but that is more general, all carnal pleasures should be avoided, but is sex singled out specifically?
I guess there is a connection?
By the way, are you waking up or have you not slept?
The Church became more and more prudish as the Middle Ages progressed, one could say.
I have not yet slept.
@Cerberus Ah, so that old, OK.
04:51
The celibate was introduced sometime during the Middle Ages.
@Cerberus Seriously? It's almost 6am!
I'm a late sleeper.
But year, I was planning to go to to bed earlier.
@Cerberus We're in the same time zone. I haven't slept either :P
Ah! Pot!
04:52
Or how does the saying go?
no idea
kettle?
The pot calls the kettle black?
calling, but yes
Oh, the pot calling the kettle black?
@Cerberus So, the celibacy was for priests right?
@Cerberus yup
04:52
And monks.
But not normal people. When did that happen? Was there a vote? Can I still vote?
In fact, all of that is a continuation of the practices of some of the early Church Father, the hermits, who in turn continued the ancient religious traditions of ascesis.
I love asinine down votes without comment.
OK, but I would have associated that more with monks.
@terdon Celibacy was never required for "normal" people?
04:54
I just got down voted on something with 12 up votes.
No comment.
@DavidM What did we say about taking SE personally?
@terdon Not taking it personally. It's just a weaselly practice.
@Cerberus required no, I'm wondering about the idea of sex in particular, as opposed to pleasure in general, being considered impure.
I suspect that celibacy was first practised by monks, as following the Benedictine rules.
@DavidM Yeah.
04:55
@Cerberus That's a myth, BTW.
Actually, the obsession with sin is a catholic and maybe protestant thing, the orthodox are more relaxed about it. One of the few good things about them.
@terdon Well, I think it is connected with all carnal enjoyment being impure, the ancient notion.
@DavidM Aww bummer.
@DavidM No it's not, it protects from AIDS!
@Cerberus I know, wanted it to be true.
@terdon There is the whole original sin...
04:56
@terdon It protects from pubic hair burns . . .
@DavidM Alas.
@DavidM well, that's something :)
@terdon Fair enough.
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A: Word that means tendency to avoid something

David MAversion is an acceptable word for this. Read definition number 3. Aversion is a strong dislike, but it carries a sense of repellence, too. Per Merriam-Webster: It is a tendency to extinguish a behavior or to avoid a thing or situation and especially a usually pleasurable one because it is...

@terdon Only praying protects against AIDS, and raping a baby (this is actually for real!).
That just got a down vote without comment, too.
04:57
If you have sex with a virgin, some people in Africa think you can be cured of AIDS.
And they sometimes take a very young child.
@Cerberus Ouch, yeah, I've heard of that.
Thanks for the up vote whoever.
@DavidM Any time
But I should head for bed.
@terdon ;-)
@Cerberus It takes a while to get there?
04:58
And so should at least one of you...
Yeah, me too, maybe I can sleep before dawn.
@Cerberus I'm not working tomorrow.
@DavidM When I'm tired, it seems like such a hassle to get there...
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Q: Two kinds of "borrow"

user1606263In Hebrew there is a difference, although often overlooked in spoken Hebrew, between the word "to borrow" for something that is intended to be returned "as is" such as a tool or a vehicle, and the word "to borrow" for something that will not be returned, but an equivalent replacement such as mone...

@DavidM Then the other one shall be chosen.
04:59
I like this question. I find these language comparison questions interesting.
@Cerberus Yup
Yes, me too. Kind of off topic of course but very interesting.
And what a nice distinction. I can't think of a similar word in another language either.
@terdon I don't know if it's off-topic. It's kind of a phrase request or single-word request . . .
I guess sell is the closest.
@terdon Sort of ... Yeah, I can see that.
@DavidM Not this one, no. I'm thinking more of "word X in language Y is like this and this, why not in English". Which I still find interesting but is hard to answer with no knowledge of language Y
@DavidM It is the same basic idea, I'll give you back something of the same value.
Anyway, stop posting interesting questions when I'm trying to tear myself away!
05:02
@terdon I tagged it that way. He's asking if there is a word to describe it . . . I'd buy that.
Dutch has bietsen as an informal word for "borrowing" something that will be consumed, like a cigarette. There may or may not be a theoretical intention of giving back another cigarette later. — Cerberus 1 min ago
@Cerberus That's like bumming a cigarette in English.
@Cerberus We call that give
@terdon No, it's borrowing, not lending.
@DavidM Ah, that sounds somewhat similar.
I know, it was the "There may or may not be a theoretical intention of giving back " that prompter that.
05:03
"Can I biets a cigarette from you?"
@Cerberus Exactly the same usage.
@terdon Ah OK. It's just slightly different.
Can I bum a cigarette?
In BrE you can also nick a fag, but that means steal. It's used in that context though, can I nick a fag of ya?
@DavidM Right, now that you mention it, I have heard that before.
05:04
@terdon Nick is steal. But, yes.
@terdon Right, we use the regular word for steal, stelen, in the exact same way.
@terdon Oops you just said.
We say steal in AmE, too.
@DavidM :) I went to uni in England.
Can I steal a pen?
True.
05:05
Right.
@DavidM That does actually imply you'll give it back though, oddly enough.
Okay, three times "right" is bed time.
BAI!
My favorite synonym for steal is filch.
@DavidM Yeah, that is nice. Sounds pleasantly similar to filth
@Cerberus Good night. I hope you find your bed. It sounds an arduous journey.
05:06
And I'll follow @Cerberus's example and be off with me. Good night to both of you!
Good night @terdon
 
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@terdon Oh, in case you didn't notice it, that's a Metallica song they're playing.
 
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Q: Use "or" or "nor"?

John SmithI've always wondered this but never asked. Given this statement: Energy can be neither created nor destroyed. Should it be or or nor? This is on Wikipedia so they are probably correct in saying nor but why is this so? In my opinion it sounds like it should be or. The more I think of it the...

Dupe.
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A: What's the difference between "have" and "have got" to express possession?

FLORA KAZONGOMINJAI HAVE GOT A CAR. MEANING YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR POSSESION CURRENTLY OR HAVE IT AROUND SOMWHERE. POINT IS YOU HAVE IT

@Robusto True, but have you a reference?
I am shocked that anyone still does all caps these days.
@Mitch You’re distressingly LOUD IN THE MORNING.
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Q: What is the correct way to use "neither" and "nor" in a sentence together?

xportGiven these facts: The tool cannot be found in the kitchen. The tool cannot be found in the bathroom. Which is the correct sentence to represent the situation above? I can find the tool neither in the kitchen nor in the bathroom. I cannot find the tool neither in the kitchen nor in t...

wait.
12:49
waits
The first time you touch a computer, it's all mixed case. Why would one think to leave the caps lock on?
I somewhere wrote a long answer showing the many uses of nor.
I know where the tool is.
@Mitch Someone without a screwdriver to pop it off.
This has probably been asked and answered multiple times.
12:50
I always map it to Control anyway.
@Robusto Imagine so.
Thing is Micro$oft Effing Word doesn’t recognize the use of nor but that neither should have preceded it, so people keep asking this question.
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A: Using “nor” without “neither” — special case

tchristSure, your sentence is ok. I assume it means: This person looks nothing like you — nor like anyone, for that matter. Not all instances of nor need be paired with neither. Here are citations from the OED demonstrating this: A. 1586 Sidney Arcadia (1613) 41 - She concealed her sorrow...

Just two niggardly votes. For shame.
And then there were three.
I linked to four nor questions, but I’m not of Simchona’s opinions that nor requires repetition in a series. No series requires explicit repetition of its coördinating conjunction.
13:09
@Robusto Interesting. I got it as a free download through PS+.
I guess I have to close this for off-topic resource-request?
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Q: Proper typesetting guide

Leo KnotekIs there a typesetting guide for English on the web somewhere, whether UK or American or both? I’m thinking of something with rules for correct hyphenation, punctuation, dashes, commas, correct typesetting of abbreviations, numbers, time, and so on and so forth.

Or Too Broad?
Or Opinion Based?
It’s not like it’s an uncommon question, though.
Nor does it have a canonical web-only answer. The canonical answer is very explicitly non-webby.
Hmm. Maybe we could put it on Meta?
Or send it to Writers?
Or I could just look the other way.
I would close it as off-topic. Neither typesetting nor finding tools is on-topic here.
I don’t think our resource list includes a typesetting guide.
We could make typesetting on-topic
13:21
And I fear Writers may not care two figs about webglish typography.
I don't think it'd be on-topic there either
I think there was an Area 51 proposal for typesetting.
But if so, I certainly cannot find it now.
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Graphic Designgraphicdesign.stackexchange.com

Beta Q&A site for professional graphic designers and non-designers trying to do their own graphic design (e.g. programmers creating icons/logos for their applications)

Currently in public beta.

@Kit Apparently that may be the place for such things, and it is a healthy beta. You might ask their mods whether the question would fit there.
Thing is, I wouldn’t have guessed it included typesetting matters.
Their typography tag has ten times the questions that their typesetting tag has.
Now I’m wondering whether we should consider steering some questions of ours thither at times.
I have inquired.
Well, there you go. That was easy.
13:37
Hi @kit!
Hi @Jasper.
Fuck, I voted to close the wrong question.
So I was having fun using regex and I pulled out all the subdomains and then all the page suffices, but now I'm not sure exactly why I pulled the suffices. I was thinking it would tell me something about the kind of content we have, but now I'm not sure.
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Q: Using "nor" at the end of a list begun with "no"

SheilaWhich is correct? "The book has no marks, tears, wrinkles or writing." "The book has no marks, tears, wrinkles nor writing." (I understand the use of neither/nor and either/or.) In this case, I thought the first sentence "no/or" was correct, but was told that "no/nor" was the cor...

@Robusto It's OK.
13:42
here is the one.
This happens when I'm searching for the dupe and don't go far enough back in the history chain. I did that to Martha the other day. Ah, well.
Well, one close vote won't hurt anyone.
.jsp is a Java server page, right? Is .do a Java based web app or something?
Oh...I wish I hadn't asked.
@KitFox Is that the new PlayStation?
13:58
No, the subscription service.
Mornin.

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