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RegDwigнt

14:00

Basically it all deteriorated very rapidly in the last three weeks.

Out of nowhere at all.

Cerberus

Weird.

Did he have regular check-ups?

KitFox

That can happen. They can grow really fast.

Cerberus

Is it growing rapidly?

RegDwigнt

The tumor grew back, out of the blue, and a second one appeared.

Cerberus

Ugh.

RegDwigнt

14:00

@Cerberus they cut it out again, obviously. About two weeks ago.

He was doing fine after that, too.

Cerberus

Ah OK.

RegDwigнt

But now he has like, what's it's called, all those spin-off tumors, and no longer just in the brain.

So yeah.

Cerberus

Damn.

Matt Эллен

metastatised

KitFox

Metastasis.

RegDwigнt

14:01

Right on.

Cerberus

Uitzaaiing(en) in Dutch.

What is it in German?

RegDwigнt

Anyway, everybody's flying in from all over the world this weekend. Friends and family and all. Half of them already is here, the house is a beehive.

KitFox

Are you making soup?

RegDwigнt

Next week, we don't know. Not looking good.

Cerberus

That's nice, I guess.

RegDwigнt

14:02

@KitFox no, there is stiff competition for that.

Cerberus

The full house.

KitFox

I usually make spinach lasagna.

RegDwigнt

Plus he can't really eat much.

KitFox

Feeds a lot of people.

Cerberus

Ugh.

KitFox

14:03

It's not for him, it's for the guests.

RegDwigнt

He can barely swallow, soup or not.

Cerberus

So there really is no hope?

RegDwigнt

@KitFox ah that. No, the family are very hospitable, so there is simply no chance they don't do everything for you.

@Cerberus well, hope dies last. But that's the stupid thing, hope will outlive him.

Cerberus

Okay.

KitFox

Oh. We do that here as a way of helping bereaved people. Must be a cultural thing.

Bringing food is about the only thing we can do, I think.

RegDwigнt

14:05

They are now trying some antibody treatment that's not approved. The company is paying for it. He's a guinea pig basically.

Cerberus

Not trying?

Now?

Ah.

RegDwigнt

Yeah, typo.

Cerberus

I guess that's good.

skullpatrol

funnyordie.com/videos/18e820ec3f/…

RegDwigнt

That's the Hangover guy.

Cerberus

14:06

They should put cancer in a bag and stomp it.

RegDwigнt

But I do not have sound here.

@KitFox yeah I would normally do it, like bake muffins or something. Perhaps I still will. Has nothing to do with culture and everything with particular situations.

Cerberus

Or draniki.

Matt Эллен

Is that like farl?

Cerberus

Fahl? Is that like fail?

KitFox

@RegDwigнt Well, you have hugs and supportive thoughts from me. That's the best I can do from here.

MετάEd

14:10

No, no, not fahl. You're thinking of that odor.

Cerberus

I don't know farl.

Draniki are a kind of potato pancakes.

RegDwigнt

@KitFox yeah thanks, and that, like, wasn't the point at all. What I was really saying was, you can ignore people IRL as it suits you. In fact the brain does a lot of it automagically.

@Cerberus Yeah I can do a lot of things actually. But so can they. They cook like gods and dine like kings, every friggin day.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus farl is potato flatbread

RegDwigнt

They are blessed in other regards too, and quite wealthy to boot, they really have everything and anything at all. Except for their son that's about to be taken from them.

Cerberus

@RegDwigнt Sure, it doesn't matter anyway.

Aww.

KitFox

14:13

@RegDwigнt I hope they are equipped for that.

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Ah, never seen or heard of it!

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus good if you're gluten intollerant

RegDwigнt

@KitFox That's actually what's really killing me there. The dying friend I can handle. But these two old people kneeling at his bed weeping, that's quite a test.

Cerberus

Ah OK.

I always cry when I see people I know cry over someone.

RegDwigнt

Yeah.

Cerberus

14:15

Even when the person died was not a friend.

RegDwigнt

I can block the direct way, but not the detour.

Cerberus

Yeah.

There's really nothing anyone can do or say.

RegDwigнt

Yup.

KitFox

I can't imagine anything that would be more difficult.

Cerberus

Maybe curse at God, if She exists.

RegDwigнt

14:16

Nah.

So anyway. I was "working". On my fifth game.

Cerberus

Or the Big Spaghetti Monster?

Matt Эллен

I curse at the universe

Cerberus

OK carry on, then.

KitFox

May his noodly appendages embrace us all, ramen.

Matt Эллен

It does exist

Cerberus

14:17

Those poor exoplanets can't help it...

RegDwigнt

And all my colleagues have like a day off tomorrow, this will be stressful.

KitFox

This is a co-worker?

Cerberus

You you'll be alone at work, you mean?

RegDwigнt

@KitFox No.

KitFox

Oh. That bites.

RegDwigнt

14:18

I mean that I can't take the day off because everyone else already dunit.

Cerberus

Ah OK.

Matt Эллен

We'll still be here for textual support

Cerberus

We can sort of entertain you.

Jinx.

jumps through hoop

RegDwigнt

I expect someone to have programmed a 4096 till morrow.

This one is far too easy.

Cerberus

Heh.

Who will do it?

username901345

14:20

Hi

Matt Эллен

I imagine programming 4096 is simple. just clone the code and change the 2048 to 4096

username901345

He told me he offered me my life.

What does it mean?

Matt Эллен

you got some weird customs

Cerberus

changes 2048 to 4096

@username901345 He told me that he offered me a chance to stay alive.

Matt Эллен

oh! I misread life as wife

Cerberus

14:21

Hah.

Matt Эллен

still, people don't offer you your own life unless they're threatening you

Cerberus

Yeah.

Unless they offer to mediate between you and the party that's threatening you.

username901345

oh

so its a chance to do his bidding to be kept alive?

Matt Эллен

I assume so

username901345

Matt, is it to me?

Matt Эллен

14:26

yes

Cerberus

I concur.

username901345

Thank you.

I didn't render myself an account of myself any more.

What does it mea?

RegDwigнt

@MattЭллен which is why I felt comfortable picking the tight deadline that I did.

Matt Эллен

@username901345 render, account of

@RegDwigнt very generous indeed

username901345

i know what it means.

but

i don't know what it means in this combination

Matt Эллен

14:36

what do you think it means in combination?

where did you read it?

Alraxite

I guess 13304 isn't bad..

username901345

it means I don't tell myself about myself?

which in turn means I don't care about myself?

MετάEd

I don't render myself means I don't lard it over myself.

Sorry. Bad pun.

But I repeat myself.

username901345

what deos it mean?

Metaed?

Matt Эллен

@username901345 that's what it seems to me to mean

username901345

14:45

actually this is from Les misearable

KitFox

@MετάEd Bwahahaha.

username901345

classicreader.com/book/268/343

KitFox

Then you should read it in French.

username901345

No..I can't

I found this.

I drew my son upon my lap...

can "draw upon" be used like this?

in my dic, it means to put on clothes.

but here it s not

RegDwigнt

Google has zero hits for "I didn't render myself an account of myself any more". You sure you are not reading Les Misérables in French and translating it as you go?

Matt Эллен

14:47

@username901345 there is means "he could no longer explain who he was to himself".

> He no longer knew himself, he no longer rendered himself an account of himself

KitFox

@RegDwigнt Sounds like a piss poor translation of it.

I bet you'd do a good job of it.

RegDwigнt

OIC, it's differently worded.

> He no longer knew himself, he no longer rendered himself an account of himself

KitFox

I could probably do a better job of it.

RegDwigнt

@KitFox I'd do an even better job of not doing it. In fact I am doing a better job of that right now as we speak!

KitFox

You are simply amazing.

No.

No. Strike that.

You are complexly amazing.

Matt Эллен

14:48

amply simazing

RegDwigнt

I am amazingly complex.

KitFox

No.

username901345

what is it a bad translation

RegDwigнt

But that's only from the outside.

username901345

what makes you thinkso

he is an american.

RegDwigнt

14:49

Inside it's all turtles. All the way down.

KitFox

@username901345 Victor Hugo was French.

username901345

but for non french speakers, this is the only way.

Matt thank you

Matt Эллен

np

KitFox

Or! Or! If you are going to read a translation anyway, you could read it in your native tongue.

Just saying.

Matt Эллен

:D

KitFox

14:50

Instead of asking questions about a crappy translation job.

username901345

why crappy?

have you read it?

it sounds too harsh.

KitFox

Probably the kind of guy who would have chosen "If you please, design a mutton for me."

username901345

constitution.org/mac/prince22.htm

KitFox

@username901345 I have read enough of it in French to know that you should be able to understand it when you read it in English.

username901345

This text is very awkward ...

KitFox

14:52

Is it?

I find it is very easy if I use Stephen Fry's voice.

username901345

the last paragra@h

RegDwigнt

> Il ne se connaissait plus, il ne se comptait plus,

I think it makes more sense in French.

KitFox

I think I rather agree, when you say it that way.

Matt Эллен

he didn't know himself anymore, he wasn't himself anymore

something something something French

KitFox

Ima make me a cuppa. Anyone up for some tea?

Matt Эллен

14:58

Yes.

RegDwigнt

Only some?

I am up for all.

KitFox

I've got English/ceylon, jasmine green, and some kinda decaf black.

RegDwigнt

Ceylon all the way or no lon at all.

KitFox

Probably some herbs if you want some other kind of infusion.

@RegDwigнt I've never had it by itself. Shall I try it? There's a new tea shop in town, so I got interested.

RegDwigнt

Ceylon is the one and only true black ~~love~~ tea.

KitFox

15:00

OMG, mtg with boss! runs around like crazy

later!

RegDwigнt

Everything else is a surrogate, and not a good surrogate at that.

CU!

Cerberus

Earl Grey.

But I'll settle for regular Ceylon.

It is a former colony, after all.

Matt Эллен

blue screened!

Cerberus

What? Who?

RegDwigнt

Wow, Matt can still chat from his blue screen. What version of OS X is that?

Matt Эллен

15:04

@Cerberus me

moments ago

then I freebooted

RegDwigнt

Mom and pop ents ago.

Matt Эллен

where do they ago?

Cerberus

How could that have happened?

What did you do?

I get a blue screen maybe twice a year.

Matt Эллен

nothing. It just happens sometimes

Cerberus

Odd.

You should switch to XP.

There is still time.

Matt Эллен

15:10

I don't think it's a software issue

not this time

username901345

What?

That is the original?

What the hell is this convoluted translation!?

RegDwigнt

Haha.

24 mins ago, by username901345

why crappy?

From there to here in 24 minutes.

username901345

nothing to be surprised at...i have no french knowledge

His white locks added a gentle majesty to the gay radiance of his visage. When grace is mingled with wrinkles, it is adorable. There is an indescribable aurora in beaming old age.

What does this "it" mean?

as in "it is adorable>"

Matt Эллен

it's a pronoun refering back to the previous noun phrase

RegDwigнt

Could actually be a dummy it.

Referring forward to the next sentence.

Matt Эллен

15:25

I would say it refers to "when grace is mingled..."

RegDwigнt

Ah, that.

Well yeah. Okay.

Hah. It's in the very next paragraph. Like, two sentences later.

You're not progressing very fast, are you.

> Quand la grâce se mêle aux rides, elle est adorable.

Elle. La grace.

So the it is the grace.

Grace is adorable when mingled with wrinkles.

Matt Эллен

I'm sure she is

RegDwigнt

Jan 27 at 16:30, by RegDwigнt

Except Debrah Messing.

Matt Эллен

15:40

try:
    self.watch('will and grace')
except Debrah Messing:
    self.Switch('off')

JSBձոգչ

what language is that? VBasic?

that's approximately the correct lang for will and grace

RegDwigнt

try:
    self.describe('language')
except VBasic:
    self.pretend('C++')

username901345

Matt

About the sentence, "when grace...."

so this "It" is the same as "I like it when you do this."

RegDwigнt

No.

username901345

It doesn't signify a specific noun?

RegDwigнt

15:50

See above.

19 mins ago, by RegDwigнt

> Quand la grâce se mêle aux rides, elle est adorable.

Starting there.

username901345

what is "it" in french?

Matt Эллен

elle ou il

RegDwigнt

Or ce.

Or c'.

Or lui.

It would be faster to list what is not "it" in French.

Matt Эллен

Not it!

RegDwigнt

And I forgot le, la, cela, ça.

So really.

MετάEd

15:54

Ouais.

RegDwigнt

Any porn that's on YouTube is not offensive by definition.

Matt Эллен

c'est tout?

RegDwigнt

Ron Jeremy is offensive, but you don't have to look at him.

skullpatrol

!!youtube porn

KitSox

►

MετάEd

15:55

@MattЭллен Google says: who tooted?

username901345

So

Matt Эллен

Tell Google: There's no way it can smell my farts from over there.

RegDwigнt

Lexus is like the opposite of porn.

In fact it's non-existent here.

username901345

you are saying elle is female...so grace is what this "It" signifies?

RegDwigнt

Porn is very much existent, on the other hand.

@username901345 did you read what I pointed you to?

26 mins ago, by RegDwigнt

Elle. La grace.

26 mins ago, by RegDwigнt

So the it is the grace.

25 mins ago, by RegDwigнt

Grace is adorable when mingled with wrinkles.

Cerberus

15:57

Does rideau come from ride?

Probably?

username901345

i see.

thank you.

RegDwigнt

> Du vieux haut allemand rîden (« tordre »), dérivé signifiant « tenture plissée ». Voir ride et rider.

I am at a loss what rîden is supposed to be in Modern German.

Matt Эллен

ride eau? sound like la piscine

username901345

I was he who saved the world.

KitFox

Dans le vieux parc solitaire et glassé, deux formes ont toute a l'heure passé...

Matt Эллен

15:59

thanks!

username901345

Why isnit "I was him who.."?

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