English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

RegDwigнt

00:12

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WOW BRILLIANT POST :) ......YET CONFUSED :(

The author of this himself flagged it as "NOTHING WRONG ITS BRILLIANT".

I wouldn't have come across it had it not been flagged for brilliance.

LM126

Hey guys.

Cerberus

OMG.

You look...interesting.

skullpatrol

00:35

TLC?

Cerberus

Multi-level cell

In electronics, a multi-level cell (MLC) is a memory element capable of storing more than a single bit of information. MLC NAND flash is a flash memory technology using multiple levels per cell to allow more bits to be stored using the same number of transistors. In single-level cell (SLC) NAND flash technology, each cell can exist in one of two states, storing one bit of information per cell. Most MLC NAND flash memory has four possible states per cell, so it can store two bits of information per cell. This reduces the amount of margin separating the states and results in the possibility ...

MετάEd

01:17

@RegDwigнt I need to learn how to flag my posts as brilliant.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

01:48

Cerberus

Ugh.

That joke is criminal.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

blame Putin

Cerberus

At least it's not as bad as Irak or Afghanistan...

tchrist

02:15

Cerberus buys Safeway.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

what's not as bad? the joke? or the invasion?

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The latter.

The Russian invasion is far less destructive.

Unlike during and immediately after WW2.

@tchrist I was just hungry.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It remains to be seen how destructive it will be.

Cerberus

Nah.

Little will change in the Crimea.

The worst part about it is the increased influence of Russia...

But the increase is minor anyway.

The population will probably not be that much worse off.

Unless the Russians decide to greatly oppress the Tartars.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

You are assuming everyone will just sit by while Russia illegally violates Ukraine's territory.

Or that it will stop there.

anyway I'm off. cya

Cerberus

02:39

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Everyone will.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 If it won't, then that new invasion may be destructive. But the Crimea?

Cerberus

03:26

Children dressed up as policemen during Venezuelan carnival. Meanwhile, fairly violent protests are going on in Caracas.

Mitch

So cute!

Cerberus

Yeah!

Almost as cute as real African child-soldiers.

Mitch

There's that American kid in WIlly Wonka dressed up like a cowboy. But that's fiction.

Holy crap! Carnival already!

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

05:05

@Mitch Come, I have acquired a cask of Amontillado.

KitSox

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 You've got some balls, coming back here after what you did.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@KitSox you damn right. whips out balls

Matt Эллен

12:12

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 chocolate, salty balls?

RegDwigнt

12:50

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A: Sign up or Signup

I do love my English with cream tea and my tea cakes

Good thing he shared.

Matt Эллен

13:01

!!afk commute

KitSox

@MattЭллен Hurry back, ok?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

13:31

@MattЭллен awww yeah.

Mitch

13:46

@RegDwigнt Shared? Who's offering free tea and cake?

Also, I heard about a movable feast. Does anyone know where that is?

Cerberus

Oh, that.

I mean, never heard of it.

I didn't have it moved to my boudoir.

I wasn't even there when it wasn't moved to my boudoir.

KitFox

I missed @Matt already!?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

14:12

good morning!

KitFox

14:25

Morning.

I just found out that the architect here is a big Rammstein fan.

I don't know what sort of dimensional portal I accidentally slipped through on my way to work yesterday, but I'm having a hard time adjusting to this new reality.

MετάEd

@KitFox Even the name sounds loud. (Get off my lawn.)

Matt Эллен

@KitFox yup. he's gawn. don't knwo when he'll be back round these parts

KitSox

@MattЭллен I thought you'd never come back!

Mitch

@KitFox Oh there's an easy remedy. get two hand mirrors. look in one, then hold the other so you can see the back of your head, then twist them around so you see the infinity thing. Then jump out of the way, so you can see down the infinite reflections -without- yourself in the picture.

That will recalibrate everything and it'll get back to normal.

Either that or it will permanently get you stuck in that other universe. Or this one, which ever one it is.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch That reminds me of when my 5 month old daughter first saw herself in a multiple reflection. It was so cute.

Mitch

14:31

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What happened?

@Cerberus Yeah that's not a good idea. Too many crumbs in bed.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

She was standing on the bathroom countertop (I was holding her) and she reached out and grabbed the medicine cabinet (mirror door) which is normally at a right angle to the mirrored wall. She pulled it slowly open and suddenly from her perspective there was not one, but 5 of her. She literally gasped.

It was so funny

Cerberus

15:54

@Mitch Yeah, who eats in bed?

It's like smoking in bed, it's just not done.

KitFox

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That is so cute!

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Aww you should have recorded it!

MετάEd

16:13

@Cerberus Google Glass.

Cerberus

Par example.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus yeah I wish I had, but it was over in an instant, and I don't record my whole life

Cerberus

Oh, @Mitch , at last I know how to defeat you. The ring world is not a planet!! It is merely a world. So!

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah what Mr Ed says.

Although I am of course against that huge invasion of privacy.

MετάEd

In a few years, everybody will be recording everything all of the time.

Cerberus

Noooo.

Everyone minus one.

MετάEd

16:16

Your personal recording device will be constantly on, and if you want to save and share you'll just back it up 30 seconds or so and click to share.

Cerberus

Noooo!

MετάEd

That's plainly the direction the technology is going.

Cerberus

It's like people who put photos and locations on Facebook.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus yeah, when I do get my Google Glass in the next few years, I'll be sure to send it back in time to record that moment

@Cerberus It's not so bad, if you can control what you share

Cerberus

@MετάEd Is the technology also going towards nuking every city in the world?

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Be sure to pre-order your time machine in time, then.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

16:18

for example, if I could have retroactively shared a video of that moment with my daughter, that'd be great, and nobody's privacy is invaded, and nobody comes to any harm

Cerberus

Yes.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus the great thing about time machines is you don't have to pre-order them.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But what are the conditions for that to be possible?

MετάEd

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Time travel to the past destroys itself. It's like the Fermi paradox except in space not time.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 So you think!

MετάEd

16:18

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus well, like MetaEd says. You constantly record stuff. The recordings are not saved unless you want to save them.

MετάEd

People keep having parties for time travelers. but the fact is that time travelers when they do come back in time destroy themselves.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MετάEd there was an smbc about that too

Cerberus

@MετάEd Good solution...

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What could go wrong?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I'm not sure what you mean.

The same things that could go wrong with existing video recording tech, I suppose?

Cerberus

16:23

With existing recording of anything.

Blackmail websites.

Accidental sending of your pictures to your boss.

The NSA recording your location everywhere.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Well, let's see. blackmail is already possible with existing tech. so is accidentally sending stuff to your boss. And the NSA doesn't need video recording to know where you are.

Now, if you're positing that these devices are constantly sending the video out to some centralized place, then that could be problematic.

But that is not required nor even desirable, I'd say.

Cerberus

Indeed not.

But unintended things happen.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I don't think Google Glass sends all its video to Google right away.

Cerberus

A Glass botnet.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Neither was your phone supposed to, until it accidentally sent those nude pictured to your boss.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

meh. botnets are already a problem. Glass doesn't really change that.

Cerberus

16:27

It feeds them a ton more private information.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus that typically happens because of user error.

Cerberus

You know how botnets abuse webcams already?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus yes.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes. I rest my case.

Everything that applies to other computers small and large also applies to Glass.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus User-error is not necessarily a good argument against technology.

Cerberus

16:28

Sure it is.

It would be convenient if we could fire nukes with just a button, no code.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

"oh no, we better not make photos shareable, because someone will accidentally take a picture of their boobs and send it to their boss"... please. come on.

Cerberus

It's not the only argument, there will be arguments pro as well.

But it is a good argument in general.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Glass is a tempting target for botnets. But so are phones. So. what.

Cerberus

The more power you give to technology, the more danger you create.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

brb

Cerberus

16:30

Burp.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

16:47

@Cerberus lol. Also the more opportunity.

Cerberus

Yes.

So you have to weigh the pros and contras carefully.

And the solution to the question "shall we use Glass?" is not to either accept the device offered or not have anything at all: instead, you should change the device such that it complies with your standards.

Mitch

@Cerberus blushes, brushes away crumbs

Cerberus

Nor I!

eats crumbs

Mitch

@MετάEd Will it be recording all the times you go back to review a recording?

@MετάEd What? I don't get that. Do you mean they intentionally destroy themselves, or the 'physics' implies that their former selves 'disappear'?

MετάEd

17:21

@Mitch This is the song that never ends ...

@Mitch It doesn't matter what their intention is.

The butterfly effect alone would be enough to screw things up.

“A Sound of Thunder” by Ray Bradbury

KitFox

theawesomeanthem.com

MrHen

17:39

Woot, Unanswered dipped to 273! First time I've seen it under 275 since I got back from Brazil.

Jasper Loy

I just watched Aliens on TV.

Mitch

18:01

@MετάEd !!youtube 10 hours song that never ends

KitSox

►

tchrist

I’m sorry, but giving GEdgar 6 votes for saying nothing more than a comment is just unjust. This is what he should have said:

0

A: What do rodents do?

To elaborate somewhat. The ultimate font of all these words is the classical Latin (and thence Italian) verb rodere/rodo, which in English is “to gnaw or corrode”. Although compared with the incorrodible Classical Latin form, the Italian version hasn’t been gnawed upon at all due to the temeri...

Mitch

@KitFox awesome? It would have been awesomer at 1 minute. and an explosion.

Jasper Loy

Mitch who is not a bitch once fell into a ditch that made him itch. Poem for @mitch, lol.

Jasper Loy

18:19

Kit who likes to sit in the pit is very fit. Poem for @kit, lol.

Matt who always sat on the bat is not fat. Poem for @matt, lol.

Matt Эллен

thanks!

cyril

19:01

!!define slew

KitSox

@cyril slew (US) A large amount.

MrHen

!!define slough

KitSox

@MrHen Were you trying to invoke me? Maybe you meant: define

@MrHen slough The skin shed by a snake or other reptile.

cyril

!!define booth

KitSox

@cyril booth A small stall for the display and sale of goods.

Mitch

19:12

@JasperLoy I think you missed a few: switch, glitch, um... rich, pitch, hitch, kitsch (it's a word!) ...uh... witch. that's all I got.

cyril

kitsch is old-fashioned no?

!!define kitsch

KitSox

@cyril kitsch Art, decorative objects and other forms of representation of questionable artistic or aesthetic value; a representation that is excessively sentimental, overdone, or vulgar.

cyril

you forgot Nietzsche

MrHen

@KitFox Can we move questions to Cognitive Sciences?

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Q: What terms describe "schema" at various stages of acceptance?

According to WordNet 3.0, quoted at TheFreeDictionary.com, in psychology, schema means "an internal representation of the world; an organization of concepts and actions that can be revised by new information about the world". Within psychology, specifically as applied to learning or education, a...

single-word-requests

This seems a little technical for ELU.

cyril

Stack Exchange is marvellous, but this separation of sites is hard to follow, they often intersect

MrHen

19:19

@cyril I agree. Which is why I think it is nice of us to move questions where they will be answered the most accurately. :)

cyril

ok, but I mean this requires extra work for community users

KitFox

19:39

@MrHen Done.

MrHen

@KitFox Thanks :)

KitFox

np

MrHen

19:59

What...

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Q: What is the meanings for 'LEG'

I have one doubt for 'Leg' word What was the real meanings about "leg"? because leg is a leg : and also another meaning is "leg is a Leg Side", that means "Left side" So my question about, When the "leg" word is understandable and make difference? and how can we understand this word wit...

meaning differences speech transatlantic-differences

What is going on here?!

Matt Эллен

its_me

Hello, if I posted a question on ell.SE and later realized that it's better suited for english.SE, can I repost it here? (Even if I can't delete the question there?)

MrHen

@its_me You can either ask ELL to move it to here or just repost the question.

I would add a link in the comments to the original if you do decide to repost it here.

its_me

Ok, will do that, thanks!

@MrHen This is the question: ell.stackexchange.com/q/18521/4867

what do you think? Is it on-topic here?

MrHen

@its_me Probably but I think the answer you received there is fine.

Did you need more information than that answer provides?

its_me

20:12

@MrHen Yes. And I was looking for a more in-depth, authentic answer, not "in actual, real-world practice" answer.

MrHen

@its_me Between that answer and simply looking the words up in a dictionary I am not entirely sure what is missing.

But if you need more depth you can certainly ask here. I would try to add a little more information about the depth you are seeking.

Otherwise you will probably get a similar answer.

its_me

ok

will try my best

MετάEd

Q: What do Smokey The Bear and Eric The Red have in common?

MrHen

I think it is an interesting enough question though.

@MετάEd They smell like burnt hair?

Wait, I'm thinking of Bluebeard.

Robusto

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Q: How to fix div position in HTML

I am trying to make HTML page which have few div. I want to make div, which is highlighted in green color, I am able to make div here with the position absolute but if a shrink the size of page, then that div will not shrink and all of alignment of my page will distrub. So can any body tell me...

javascript jquery html css

Gawd.

MετάEd

20:34

@MrHen That's not it.

MrHen

@Robusto stackoverflow.com/revisions/22259986/1

Wow, that's... novel.

MετάEd

20:58

!!define linner

KitSox

@MετάEd My pocket dictionary just isn't good enough for you.

MετάEd

!!define lint

KitSox

@MετάEd lint a fine material made by scraping cotton or linen cloth; used for dressing wounds

MετάEd

And that would evidently be pocket lint.

cyril

21:21

stealth animal

Cerberus

Huh I see no animal!

Ohh I see it!

Cool.

Mitch

@cyril Huh? I see no ani... auughhh blood spurting from neck arm rippped from socket eye gouged thunk

@cyril Nitch -eee

Cerberus

21:38

Poor Mitch.

cyril

@Mitch oh it's pronounced like that, sorry

I don't think I'd be verbally understood

Mitch

Actually not really at all, in English. Auf Englisch it's most commonly pronounced nee-tchee.

If you said it to rhyme with my name with a short i and no -eee at the end, yeah, people would wonder what other philosopher you're talking about.

cyril

yep, because a silent final e in french

Cerberus

21:59

@Mitch That's preposterous!

-ə.

Cerberus

22:20

Hey @MattЭллен is it really true that your healthcare data have been given to a private company, uploaded to servers in foreign countries that care less about your privacy, and have been made accessible to companies that stand to profit from knowing who's sick and who isn't, including health-insurance companies? What I read in the Guardian is really too shocking to be true!

theguardian.com/society/2014/mar/03/…

Is it possible that the real situation was somehow misinterpreted or something?

MrHen

@Cerberus I only skimmed the article but I don't see any mention of the upload going to Google servers in the United States. Google almost certainly owns server farms in Europe.

Cerberus

Yeah I didn't say American servers.

But presumably British data would be even less protected in other European countries.

And they are accessible by Google anyway, which is of course a very bad company with respect to privacy.

MrHen

No clue. But it definitely seems foolhardy.

Cerberus

And the NSA can access Google...

Yeah.

MrHen

@Cerberus All companies are bad with respect to privacy.

Cerberus

22:26

There are degrees.

MrHen

Not really. Once the information has been obtained and recorded there is virtually no auditing process.

Cerberus

If the company is in a well-regulated jurisdiction as has no practical interest in or possibility of selling your privacy, that helps.

MrHen

This includes physical paper records.

@Cerberus As long as that data isn't inherently valuable.

That being said, the larger the company the better they probably handle the data.

Large companies are bigger targets and have a lot more to lose.

But intent only goes so far.

Cerberus

Let me be clear, no entity of whatever nature should have all those patient data, let alone any company. But there's bad and worse.

@MrHen That's only ceteris paribus.

But we all know how Facebook abuses people's data.

And Google.

MrHen

Internal abuse isn't really the same thing.

Cerberus

22:30

And they are larger targets, as you say, which is why Google's data were tapped directly from their private wires. Which they are in the process of encrypting now, at last.

MrHen

That isn't so much a privacy concern as it is people not understanding the privacy statements.

@Cerberus Right, but all the smaller companies have the exact same problem.

Cerberus

It is a privacy concern to me. I don't know why you say that.

MrHen

@Cerberus If it were a big enough concern you wouldn't use Google/Facebook.

(Which may be true in your case; I don't know.)

Cerberus

@MrHen Now you're contradicting yourself. I was just confirming what you said about big targets.

@MrHen So what?

MrHen

@Cerberus How is what I said a contradiction?

@Cerberus What I mean is that any actual concern there is yours to control.

Cerberus

22:31

If it were a big enough concern, African women wouldn't walk 20 miles to get water from a well every day.

MrHen

@Cerberus I don't understand. Is this an analogy?

Cerberus

@MrHen Large companies are bigger targets. You said that and I elaborated on it.

@MrHen So what?

MrHen

@Cerberus Yes. Therefore, they are more likely to handle privacy better. They have more to lose from a privacy scandal.

Cerberus

@MrHen Yes: we are pressured into using certain products and services, so the cost of not using them can be high.

@MrHen They are also more likely to be targeted, which is bad.

MrHen

@Cerberus But it is still your choice to use Google or Facebook.

tchrist

22:33

Today is a good day. It’s not every day that one gets to use the incorrodible Classical Latin form and get away with it. “How these worms gnaw and corrode the ships!”

Cerberus

@MrHen It's still the African woman's choice to walk 20 miles in the burning sun.

MrHen

@Cerberus I don't understand how this is an argument.

What's your point?

Cerberus

@tchrist I'm not entirely sure what you mean...rodo and rado are Latin for gnawing, true.

@MrHen The fact that you have a choice does not mean that it isn't a danger to your privacy.

tchrist

@Cerberus I mean that Classical Latin words are incorruptible. It’s a dead language, so cannot be corroded by history.

MrHen

@Cerberus I still don't see the contradition?

Cerberus

22:35

@MrHen And people always have a choice. In anything.

2 mins ago, by MrHen

@Cerberus But it is still your choice to use Google or Facebook.

So this ^ is less relevant.

MrHen

@Cerberus How is there a privacy concern in walking 20 miles to get water?

tchrist

8

A: What do rodents do?

To elaborate somewhat. The ultimate font of all these words is the classical Latin (and thence Italian) verb rodere/rodo, which in English is “to gnaw or corrode”. Although compared with the incorrodible Classical Latin form, the Italian version hasn’t been gnawed upon at all due to the temeri...

MrHen

@Cerberus It is relevant in the sense that you control what data Google/Facebook has access to.

Cerberus

@tchrist Well, Mediaeval Latin did what it could!

MrHen

@Cerberus That is obviously not true.

tchrist

22:37

@Cerberus Yes, I see: they gave us rosicare.

And rosicrucians.

Cerberus

@MrHen There is not a privacy concern, but another concern. And the woman has a choice to avoid this concern, just as you have a choice to avoid the privacy concern; but this is less relevant, just as it is less relevant to the African woman. That's the similarity.

MrHen

@Cerberus Less relevant than what?

Cerberus

Than the fact that your privacy is in danger.

MrHen

I'm not picking up on whatever connection you are inferring, here.

@Cerberus Your privacy isn't in danger [from Google/Facebook] if you don't use Google/Facebook.

Cerberus

@tchrist Ah, never seen that word.

@MrHen This is not relevant.

MrHen

22:39

@Cerberus Why not?

Cerberus

Because people do use them.

MrHen

@Cerberus So...?

Cerberus

So?

MrHen

I don't see how people using them is relevant to your privacy being in danger or not.

Cerberus

I am also part of "people".

I am a person! Not a mythological depiction.

MrHen

22:42

@Cerberus Then you told Google/Facebook they could use your data. So there isn't an actual concern.

Cerberus

Why not?

There is, very much so.

MrHen

Because if you didn't want them to use your data that way you shouldn't have told them they could.

Cerberus

I don't see how what I did is relevant: if they do things with my data that are harmful to me, then that is bad, regardless of the way in which they acquired my data.

MrHen

You effectively told them there wasn't a concern when you gave them your data.

@Cerberus That isn't the same problem.

(And don't forget we are talking about internal use. Illegitimate access is a separate issue.)

Cerberus

@MrHen That is the problem to me.

MrHen

22:45

@Cerberus If it were really a problem you wouldn't tell Google/Facebook it wasn't a problem.

Cerberus

If you consent to being chopped to bits and eaten by me, is there a problem? People actually do this, you know.

MrHen

@Cerberus Hm, let me think about that.

Cerberus

And what if I pay you a million dollars know for the right to kill you in this way one year hence?

MrHen

If I consent to die I don't really have a problem with it...

Cerberus

And what if tens of thousands of people do this in my country every year?

MrHen

22:46

I don't really care what happens afterward.

But this touches on the subject of con artists... so you'd have to look at what "consent" means.

In the sense of personal data, I think "consent" is clear enough.

So then the relevant question is whether you can legitimately consent to X action.

Cerberus

Do you think smoking should be discouraged by the state in any way?

MrHen

@Cerberus That isn't really an interesting extension, though. It's just the same question.

@Cerberus Smoking harms non-participants. It isn't really a good example.

Death also harms non-participants but that is a stickier issue.

Cerberus

Okay, then let's say apart from laws that protect non-participants.

We have taxes on cigarettes here, for example, and information campaigns.

MrHen

@Cerberus So the generic question is whether someone can consent to be harmed.

The answer is "yes" but there are instances where it crosses a line into "no"

Cerberus

The whole "consent" thing is in my opinion an excess of this typical Anglo-Saxon contract theory.

MrHen

22:49

@Cerberus You cannot use real world examples without bringing in the issue of non-participation again.

@Cerberus Heh, sure, that makes sense. :)

Cerberus

It is the purpose of government to improve the lives of citizens.

As compared with a state of nature.

MrHen

There are certainly circumstances where consent wouldn't be legitimate. So what you need to show is that your consent to Google/Facebook isn't legitimate. But I still think that puts you into a Catch-22.

@Cerberus That's a longstanding debate: What is the role of government?

Cerberus

"Legitimate" is another term I think is less relevant. This is not about contracts, but about what's best for society.

MrHen

@Cerberus In this context, "legitimate" would the be opposite of "coerced"

Cerberus

The core question is, is what Facebook is doing harmful?—not even whether the government should regulate them.

Mitch

22:52

@Cerberus nuh uh. It's totally posterous. You're giving the Monty Python pronunciation (I spent a good ten minutes looking for the clip to no avail). Americans don't really say 'chuh' or at least FN's name gets pronounced all sorts of ways.

MrHen

The question is whether your telling Google/Facebook it is okay to do something actually makes it okay.

Cerberus

@Mitch Then they are wrong...but honestly I don't trust a person to speak for his country, sorry!

MrHen

@Cerberus No, actually, it isn't. The question is whether you think Facebook is doing something harmful and whether that harm is a suitable trade for their services.

Cerberus

@MrHen As to the harm that is actually done, the consent is irrelevant. You can perhaps say that in certain cases people should be allowed to harm themselves, in that the state should not act; but that does nothing to negate the harm.

Mitch

Of course they're wrong. But you can't tell people to turn their tongues a way they're not used to

Cerberus

22:54

Why not?

MrHen

@Cerberus It is absolutely relevant.

Cerberus

@Mitch It's what parents and peer groups and style books do all the time!

@MrHen If I chop you up, you're equally dead, regardless of whether you consented.

MrHen

@Cerberus But we aren't asking whether chopping something up is harmful...

Cerberus

That is exactly what I have been talking about all the time.

Mitch

It's hard enough getting them to do it when there tongues -can- turn that way. They just don't bother.

Cerberus

22:56

shrugs

Doesn't mean it isn't wrong!

MrHen

26 mins ago, by MrHen

That isn't so much a privacy concern as it is people not understanding the privacy statements.

That was the start of this whole thing.

Cerberus

@Mitch In Dutch, we say intrige, spelled like that, and pronounced.../ɪn.'triː.ʒe/.

MrHen

If you are worried about Google/Facebook doing something then don't let them do it.

Mitch

Wait...is this all about actually chopping up people, or is that a metaphor for .. chopping up some other meat?

Cerberus

With respect to this pronunciation on -ee, it's horribly wrong, but it is really impossible for us to change, it's too ingrained. Doesn't make it right!

MrHen

22:58

@Cerberus But you are still effectively telling them it is okay to do it.

@Mitch I'll let you know if you consent...

I'll let you know what I'll do you if you consent if you consent.

Mitch

@Cerberus It takes exposure which most Americans don't get.

Cerberus

So?

MετάEd

A needle pulling thread.

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