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01:28
Who’s got the 411 on this patter song?
She’s now tacked her 95 theses upon our board. Let the Reformation begin!
01:41
Is she a she?
@RegDwigнt By the way, the Game really doesn't work when you're drunk. In case you hadn't noticed.
@Cerberus Yes, I do think so.
A little Lutherana?
Unrelatedly...
When I first read your initial sentence about “a spat of questions”, I misread spat for spate. Curiously, those words can be both synonyms and antonyms, depending on one’s perspective. It turns out that the spat you’re using there (the OED lists 4 others) derives from the identical word and meaning in Dutch, and means a small splash of something. Spate, on the other hand, is an inundation of something, and they don’t know the term’s origin. When does a splash become a flood, you might well ask; here, apparently, it’s when the word gets a final e appended. Curiouser and curiouser! — tchrist 1 min ago
Ahh.
I suppose spat can be a lot because the little drops scatter everywhere?
Had you known that?
Yeah.
01:43
I would have guessed that spat and spat were related, probably. I had no idea about spate.
There are lots of spats.
Spate reminds me of spade and spatel (both Dutch).
I somehow read it as a large spadeful of something.
Spade and spatule.
Yes.
Sometimes calling a spade a spade is the only way to tell the shovels from the hoes.
01:45
Hah.
spat /spæt/, sb.[entry#1] Also 7 spatt.

Etymology: Of obscure origin; perh. related to spit v.[entry#1]

1 a The spawn of oysters or other shell-fish.
Isn't spat related to spit? I should think so?
spat /spæt/, sb.[entry#4] Chiefly dial. or colloq.

Etymology: Probably imitative: cf. spat v.[entry#2]

1 A tiff or dispute; a quarrel. orig. U.S.
Spit can also be imitative/onomatopoeic.
spat /spæt/, sb.[entry#5]

Etymology: Abbreviation of spatterdash.

1 A short gaiter worn over the instep and reaching only a little way above the ankle, usually fastened under the foot by means of a strap. Chiefly in pl.

2 Aeronaut. A streamlined covering for the upper part of the wheel of an aircraft, usu. one with fixed landing gear.
spat /spæt/, sb.[entry#6]

Etymology: app. a. Dutch spat in the same sense.

A small splash of something.

1876 J. Weiss Wit, Hum., & Shaks. ii. 47 - When a skilfully distended bubble breaks, and only a thin spat of suds is left.
1897 Mary Kingsley W. Africa 258 - Spats of mud..came flap, flap among the bushes covering me.
Lots of spats.
And I do think there really must be a spit/spat connection.
But I don’t know Dutch.
Spate though is very old, and its origins lost to us.
01:48
Ah, a spatterdash protects against spetten or spetteren or spetters or spatten...there are so many words, all of these very common in modern Dutch.
spate /speɪt/, sb. orig. Sc. and north. Forms: ɑ. 5- spate, 5-9 spait, 6-7, 9 dial. spaitt, 6-7 spat, 7 spaite, 9 spaight. β. 6-7 speate, 7-9 speat, 9 dial. speatt, speeat, speet, spete, spyet, etc.

Etymology: Of obscure origin: the early spelling and rimes show that the original vowel was ā, the later change of which to ea, etc., is regular.

1 A flood or inundation; esp. a sudden flood or rising in a river or stream caused by heavy rains or melting snow.

ɑ
C. 1425 Wyntoun Cron. i. vii[i.] heading, - The ark and the spate of Noe.
@Cerberus Is spatterdash only Dutch, or isn’t it English, too?
Aye, ’tis English.
@tchrist To me, the verb spatten feels more active, it could be a causative of spetten / spit (En.)?
† ˈspatter [n.1]
spatter [n.2]
spatter [v.]
ˈspatter [n.3]
spatteˈration ← spatter
spatter-cone ← spatter
spatterdash [n.]
ˈspatterdashed [ppl. adj.]
spatterdasher [n.]
› spatterdash-maker, -making ← spatterdash
spatter dock ← dock
spattered [ppl. adj.]
ˈspatterer [n.]
ˈspattering [ppl. adj.]
ˈspattering [vbl. n.]
× spatter-lash → spatterdash
spatter rampart ← spatter
spatterware ← spatter
× spatter-work → spatter
spatter-work ← spatter
@tchrist Umm it is certainly not Dutch, it neither looks nor sounds Dutch. It does look very English.
Remember, never sh.
This cluster is unpossible in Dutch.
@Cerberus You mean like the drink/drench thing where one is causative?
@Cerberus That’s what I was thinking, which is why I was confused.
01:51
@tchrist Yes. And many, many other words.
Yes, lots of other pairs, some of which have become orphaned.
Lie and lay...
Cado and caedo...
I believe there is often something about e's and a's in (ancient) causativation.
Lawler said something about that somewhere.
Consider also sit and set (zitten en zetten).
Sure.
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Q: What’s going on with “drink > drench”? Is it like “passage > passenger”?

tchristEdit: I am looking for a particular linguistic term for this process (which here uses terminal palatalization to indicate such) of turning passive verbs like drink into active verbs like drench. I know one such term exists, because I have seen John Lawler use it, but I cannot now find his posts...

01:54
@tchrist Note that drink is not passive, but simply intransitive.
Ah, he mentions dike, ditch.
> in PGmc. the causative was formed derivationally by past singular of verb + -j-; umlaut led eventually to the formation of non-causative/causative paris like sit/*set* (the latter is < PGmc. sat ‘sit-PAST’ + j- CAUSATIVE)
From Stoney's answer. So it appears many causatives apparently without the yod really come from yod-causatives?
That’s what is sounds like, yes.
Notice that there John uses real IPA. So he’s just being stubborn in those other places where he doesn’t.
Of course. Just like his silly usta.
Those are some good answers he wrote. Like this one:
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A: Was "book" to "beek" as "foot" is to "feet"?

John LawlerWhenever you find an O in one form of an English word and an E in the corresponding place in another, you have two suspects to interrogate. If the two words are not from the same language, but from two separate Indo-European languages, like Latin and Greek (e.g, ped-al from Latin and pod-iatris...

A very clear yet concise explanation.
No doubt he cut some corners somewhere, but don't we all?
02:48
@RegDwigнt: Thanks for the tip. Getting better now.
Well done!
Thanks. I got lucky.
Although I prefer the lower left corner.
Sometimes you don't have a choice.
Yeah.
03:25
I'm sure there must be a trick for that game. (I've never got a score over 4000.)
Hi!
Naahh you just need more practice.
I reached what I thought was a ceiling several times.
Tonight I'm not getting past ca. 10.000.
I think I could try the opposite, aiming for the lowest score. :-)
That is another game!
03:44
I can't decide if I like or hate this game.
 
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10:12
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 The correct answer is love. Like Miniluv.
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13:00
@Cerberus Ministry of Food is a restaurant here.
13:58
@RegDwigнt: So what the fuck is going on in Ukraine?
Ukrainians?
14:44
I can’t find the original King’s Singers rendition, alas.
I mean, I can, it’s here on my Music partition, but not on Yourube.
@tchrist Pretty much sums it up. Can Poland be far behind?
I asked this a few days ago. @Cerb derided me for my naïveté. Well, now what?
@tchrist What did he suggest was the wised-up viewpoint?
deride him back
14:50
Mornin.
And that’s a fitting response to the previous one.
Good morning.
New month, new day, new blizzard.
New revolution.
@Cerberus 'spat' and 'spat' are obviously related but not necessarily identical.
Identical but not necessarily related?
Identical as in if you were to use those four letters as a key it would not be unique.
14:53
you're very musical today...
But this one is best:
50 years of The Beatles. Damn.
@skullpatrol I’m always quite musical, / Mostly acoustical, / But certain foul days / Find me waxing accusical.
15:02
The Beatles are so 1960's.
You prefer S&G?
Or Queen?
@tchrist That's the most in keeping with the original. Brian Wilson's vocal arrangements were always complicated and interesting.
@Robusto Quite.
I saw them here in Boulder for that Good Vibrations tour.
I'm a Floyder.
15:06
More Simon & Garfunkel:
They did the S&G arrangement of Scarborough Fair/Canticle when they were here. Rather nice.
@skullpatrol Pink Floyd were of the '60s. Formed the year The Beatles put out Revolver, IIRC. Their first album came out the same year Sgt. Pepper's did.
For a different thing, here’s John Tavener’s “Village Wedding” by Chanticleer, specially arranged for their precise voices. Each of the dozen members gets a solo in his unique vocal range. Tell me what you think of it.
@Robusto I'm talking about their peak years of popularity.
@skullpatrol So ... from 1971 till present day?
15:13
Their first album is still the most musically inventive.
they dominated the 70's like no other imo
Sir John Tavener wrote of this piece:
> 'Village Wedding' is a series of musical and verbal images, describing a village wedding in Greece. My insertion of Isaiah's Dance, and the whole tone of Sikelianos' poetry, however, shows that everything in the natural and visible world, when rightly perceived, is an expression of a supernatural and invisible order of reality.
The somewhat sober character of the music, also, hints at the later poems of Sikelianos, where myth becomes the agency for uniting his subjective and narrative voices into a sublime tragic vision.
It was a commissioned piece.
It requires two countertenors (and one tenor) on top of one bass, plus miscellaneous middle voices sandwiched between those two flagpoles (or staves).
Two countertenors . . . that's a tall order.
Yes, but they’re from San Francisco.
Isaiah’s Dance is “the moment in the Orthodox marriage ceremony when the couple is solemnly led three times around the Holy Table by the Celebrant.”
It seems very Christmassy though: “O Isaiah dance for joy, for the Virgin is with child.”
Not a bad world where you can get a knight to write you a brilliant new piece of music designed especially to make your group’s unique mix of talents shine though.
Here one of their Freddie Mercury homages:
@Robusto history is being a bitch to Nikita again. That is what the fuck is going on in the Ukraine.
15:28
@tchrist Very nice rendition.
I think so, too. So much range, so much spirit, so many layers.
And faithful to the spirit of Freddie.
Yes.
A cappella singing is so super in tune the locked-in overtones make extra voices of their own. No messy even-temperament to muddy up the chords.
@RegDwigнt Well, tell them to cut it out.
Not necessary, they are cutting out the Krim right now as we speak.
Seriously, not a single good deed of Khrushchov's ever goes unpunished.
15:33
@Robusto They sing actual SATB: “Currently, Chanticleer comprises twelve men, including two basses, one baritone, three tenors, and six countertenors (three altos and three sopranos).”
@tchrist Could only happen in SF or NY.
@RegDwigнt Which particular idea was this?
Or the Middle Ages?
Well, I would have said the Renaissance, but . . .
Like this:
@Robusto I don't know how much you got to learn about the Krim. But actually you only need the very basics. Goes like this. Krim belongs to the Krim Tatars. Russians come, make war, get Krim, kick Tatars. Russians invent Soviet Union. Soviet Union incorporates Ukraine. Which is sort of completely in the way, between Russia and Krim. Nikita comes along and because he is a nice fellow, he takes that Russian Krim and says here Ukrainians, you can have it.
Even though Russia desperately needs the Krim, and always did, and always will, which is why it fucked the poor Tatars in the first place.
15:37
I knew about the Krim Tatars, but not that particular political angle. Still, I'm glad I asked. I knew you would have an enlightening perspective.
Yes, thanks Reg.
So anyway. The point is, even after the Union fell apart, Ukraine was still playing more or less nice, by Russian standards. But now it appears it wants to get in the way again, and big time this time.
So of course the Russians with their Black Sea fleet want "their" Krim back.
I saw some infographics yesterday. Krim used to be like 60% Russians, 40% Ukrainians, 0.something% Tatars, during the Soviet Union era. These days it is like 15% Tatars, 30% Ukrainians, and still 55% Russians.
@Robusto Funny you should say that: Casey Breves was raised in NYC, then moved to SF and joined Chanticleer there.
Tatars are Muslims, of course, and some people say a civil war is ultimately a possibility if people don't stop and think. And it appears the opposite of stopping and thinking is all the rage these days.
@RegDwigнt I need to go in and talk to my coworkers face to face about all this.
There’s a girl from Kiev in my group who’s one of our BAs, plus an ex-KGB intelligence officer who’s our iron-man tester.
She said almost all of her family are out of there.
15:43
A little known fact is that the first shot in the World War Two on the Russian side was fired by the Black Sea Fleet.
@RegDwigнt Well, all I can say is this: It's an outstanding way to celebrate the centennial of World War I.
The tester said how you have to be crazy to be in this job. I said oh, so it’s just like your first job then?
The guy who ordered that shot now rests in the Novodevitchy cemetery. I stood at his grave once, my father told me the story. Don't remember his name. A shame.
Anyway.
Reg, do you know people personally affected by this?
With Yanukovitch now not-so-suddenly re-emerging in Russia and pretending nothing happened, it is anybody's guess what will happen next.
@tchrist not really. My wife has relatives in the Ukraine, but it appears they are not affected yet.
15:47
@RegDwigнt That was surreal. But do we now know the playbook?
“I did not flee. I merely changed locations from there to here.’
Allegedly they found some secret orders from him for more people to be shot. But of course that's the first thing I would allege about my enemy had I kicked him out of the country.
They also dissolved that Berkut special forces, the ones who did the killings.
Dissolved, mind you. Not put on trial or anything.
So it stands to reason they will just re-build them under a different name.
@RegDwigнt These days? When was stopping and thinking ever popular?
It's so unnatural it may in fact be inhuman.
I think splitting up the country might be the best course of action in the midrun.
@RegDwigнt Like we’ve seen so many times before.
This back-and-forth is not new. It has been going on ever since 1991.
And it started getting crazy with the Orange Revolution, not with this one.
15:53
I can see how you could look at it that way.
Remember that they already kicked out Yanukovitch once, elected Yushchenko, who had allegedly been poisoned by the KGB, and that billionaire Yulia Timoshenko. Turned out they sucked big time, too.
So they kicked them out, and elected Yanukovitch once again. Democratically.
It was a farce at that point already.
Can the timing in relation to the Olympics be coincidence?
Whodathunk a couple years later they would get fed up with him again?
Surprise, surprise.
@Cerb Ahah! I was right: soprano-pitched singer Casey Breves is indeed the son of composer-couple Skip Brevis and Claudia Brevis. I wonder whether he’s just being amusing for his stage name: Brevis + Brevis = Breves
@Robusto is there a relation at all?
15:55
@RegDwigнt I'm asking you.
I don't have all the facts, but with the facts I have I am not seeing a connection.
Again, it's been a mess for a long long time.
Nothing much changed really, apart from killing a hundred people just for fun.
Well, that's always a good time.
New personal best.
YESSS.
OVER 9000.
See, it works.
Highest number in the corner. Good boy.
15:57
Yep. Another tip of the hat for your advice.
Does this mean we get to invade Cuba now?
Last I heard you no longer have a military left?
I had a better arrangement a few moves back, but started getting a huge 2-wall and squirmed to avoid it, thus wrecking my position.
They’re busy with a land-war in Asia. Bad idea.
@Cerberus that's doubleplusgood. :D
15:58
@cornbread! I thought of you while sipping The Singleton last night.
@RegDwigнt The military is generally to the right, not the left.
And I’m pretty sure we have a military right.
@tchrist thankfully you do not have a left, so no mistakes can happen.
@tchrist Only the best military money can buy. Why, do we need to invade something? It's been a while, hasn't it?
16:01
@Robusto Did you think of me too? I have dreamt of you twice.
I did not think of you, Jasper. Sorry.
@Robusto I'm glad you like it! You do like it?
Yes, of course. We've been over this.
I discovered Glengoyne recently, too. You might give it a try.
lashes self with soggy ziti
Glengoyne. Got it. Sounds like it's for closers.
It is for closers.
16:03
@RegDwigнt You realize that your statement, despite its demonstrable accuracy, would not be understood by almost any American? Just because one stands to the left of Focus on the Family, the KKK, and related Nazis does not mean one is actually standing on the left at all. Nary one in a thousand here realize that.
> It’s the taste of Scotland’s slowest distillation, and our insistence on barley dried by air – never peat.
I think I dislike peat. I really dislike Laphroaig.
@tchrist well, everything is relative.
Not their fault, strictly speaking.
Speaking of relatives, here are Skip and Casey together on a famous piece:
The meaning of any word is relative to what we think it means. Words do not have meanings.
@tchrist why did they film it with a potato?
I can barely discern the piano, and I am a piano player.
@RegDwigнt “Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus”, eh?
16:06
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Time and a place for everything. I like Laphraoig 18-year very much.
@tchrist see, these words have no meaning to me. I would have to google for wikipedia first.
We are left with naked names.
@Robusto oa, please.
Also, 20 years or no years at all.
@RegDwigнt fruit flies like a banana.
@RegDwigнt I hadn’t realized you hadn’t read Eco’s Name of the Rose yet.
16:08
@RegDwigнt "oa" has no meaning for me.
@tchrist I saw the movie with Christian Slater, I think that qualifies.
@Robusto order of vowels in beverage name.
@RegDwigнt Then remember well what Eco said at the very beginning of that movie: he called it a palimpsest of his novel.
16:10
The English translation is surprisingly well done. It was done by a native speaker (as one always should), but with Eco’s active participation.
@RegDwigнt I usually just order the beverage. The vowels should look after themselves.
Oh. I didn't realize your family was serving you stuff.
However, there are places in the original where Eco intentionally mishmashes together Italian with all the other Romance tongues that when translated leaves you with English mashed up with all the Romance tongues. It loses something in that particular translation: the relationship.
I always have to go fetch vodka all by myself.
@tchrist Every translation loses something. Can you imagine a translation of Finnegans Wake?
16:12
Then I decode it, and write it back.
At least I don't have to execute it, because in Soviet Russia, vodka executes you.
Here, see what I mean. Here’s the English translation of one madman’s rants:
Jul 30 '12 at 2:06, by tchrist
>> "Penitenziagite! Watch out for the draco who cometh in
>> futurum to gnaw your anima! Death is super nos! Pray the
>> Santo Pater come to liberar nos a malo and all our sin! Ha
>> ha, you like this negromanzia de Domini Nostri Jesu Christi!
>> Et anco jois m'es dols e plazer m'es dolors.... Cave el
>> diabolo! Semper lying in wait for me in some angulum to snap
>> at my heels. But Salvatore is not stupidus! Bonum
>> monasterium, and aqu? refectorium and pray to dominum
But here is what Eco himself wrote:
Jul 30 '12 at 2:06, by tchrist
>> "Penitenziagite! Vide quando draco venturus est a rodegarla
>> l'anima tua! La mortz est super nos! Prega che vene lo papa
>> santo a liberar nos a malo de todas le peccata! Ah ah, ve
>> piase ista negromanzia de Domini Nostri Iesu Christi! Et anco
>> jois m'es dols e plazer m'es dolors... Cave el diabolo!
>> Semper m'aguaita in qualche canto per adentarme le carcagna.
>> Ma Salvatore non est insipiens! Bonum monasterium, et aqui se
>> magna et se priega dominum nostrum. Et el resto valet un figo
Enchanting.
The latter all mushes together in your head. The former has obvious delineations.
And the rest parks the Portuguese soccer player.
De veras.
That’s aquí refectorium.
Bad decoding.
Et el resto valet un figo seco is cute.
You can imagine someone travelling in the many post-Roman lands eventually speaking his own language.
16:17
I thought that's what they always did in Italy.
I see you’ve been.
I have, and we have plenty Italians here.
You have Italians aplenty, do you?
What are they doing there?
I think they are the strongest alien community, actually. Even outnumbering the Turks and the Russians.
@tchrist still the repercussions of the Economic Wonder of the 60s.
Lots of Greeks, too, because of that.
Seems very anti-Italian of them: however are they going to escape paying taxes in Germany of all places?
Ditto for your Greeks.
16:20
Though lately the picture is murky because of the fresh influx of new Greeks and Spaniards and Portugueses.
@RegDwigнt Speaking of translations, I can't decide whether you were reaching for Вели́кая Оте́чественная война́ or Dem Zweiten Weltkrieg. I figured the latter, since you used an article. But I would be curious to know the origin of your thought formation there.
This is why Germany is so productive: all the people from Greece, Italy, Spain, and Portugal who actually want to work actually move there instead.
Some of them were imported.
@Robusto I started typing "the Second World War", but changed my mind halfway through.
I was just typing that very thing.
16:22
I am still trying to figure out how amazon global shipping rates work.
@RegDwigнt Way less interesting than my theory, so I'll just stick with my preconceptions.
@Robusto Rather than exported?
All those sentences there are clumsy, I was just trying to write down all the random thoughts.
Random. Not fandom.
Nice typo.
@tchrist Imported for exports and then deported? I think I heard that reported somewhere.
16:24
@Robusto It was in Port au Prince.
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If you're into fandom . . .
I'd rather fandom something else, thank you.
Fandom? I thought you meant fathom, lol.
I don't think Jasper fathoms the conversational thread here.
Jasper has so much time, he uses six keystrokes for a single period.
16:26
@Robusto No news there.
@RegDwigнt I actually understand that.
@RegDwigнt Many women wish they could dispose of one so handily.
@RegDwigнt I had no idea he had such staying power.
This is funny, too.
Have you ever seen women who dress so scantily in public that you don't dare to look at them?
No, Jasper, I’m a Burner.
16:30
I have seen a number of cases here.
Then you have seen nothing.
Haha, yeah, I know I have seen very little in life, if that was not a joke.
Put your shorts back on, Jasper.
They are on, but I am not wearing any undies now.
flees screaming
16:33
They are running shorts, good to wear at home too.
Do your shorts run the way your nose does?
Yes, because neither shorts nor noses run, QED.
OK, I get the joke as well.
I think I am getting pretty good at jokes now.
I am sad Buddhism SE is still in commitment phase.
I think it will take a few more years to enter beta, lol.
Oh, forgot to mention. Gravity was a really good movie.
16:44
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@JasperLoy Too many noun–noun–noun–noun–noun–noun modifiers.
Both Buddha and Christ appear in the movie in some form, lol.
Watch it to find out!
No thanks.
That lad has one truly rare voice.
I never watched Twilight 4 and 5 but I watched 1, 2 and 3.
I think it’s nice he and his dad do collaborations.
16:48
A documentary on Pavarotti shows him singing with his father.
Casey Breves has a nice voice.
WTF did we do? “Russia's upper house of parliament will ask President Vladimir Putin to recall Moscow's ambassador from the United States, the chamber's speaker said on Saturday. Valentina Matviyenko, the head of the Federation Council, asked the Council's Committee on Foreign Affairs to draw up a proposal setting out the demands to Putin.”
I am going to watch Pandorum on TV soon.
The Security Council is meeting 70 minutes from now, on Britain’s request.
Good luck with that.
The Security Council can do nothing against a Permanent Member.
It was designed that way.
Oh, I am not following world affairs. WTF happened?
@JasperLoy We’re back in the USSR, boys.
17:30
Let me hear your balalaikas ringin' out.
Come and keep your cornbread warm.
17:42
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Cornbread is supposed to be already warm. That's one of your charms.
18:37
I don't see any cornbread.
Hi.
@tchrist Hey, I did not deride you.
I just didn't think it was likely that Russia would steam up to Kiev.
The Crimea is quite different, and very much comparable to Abkhasia and South-Ossetia.
I am actually surprised that the Russians are actively preventing the Ukrainian government from quelling the Crimean unrest.
So you were more right than I in that respect.
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