English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Cerberus

15:00

I guess the impact on Detroit would not be so great, but think of poor Shanghai!

Matt Эллен

is detroit already full of ghosts?

in The Bridge, 11 mins ago, by RedRiderX

@MattЭллен http://www.forkingrecipes.com

have you seen that site ^^^ @Cerberus?

and anyone else who likes cooking

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Well, it's broke and impoverished and in decline, people are moving away and stuff.

Car factories have closed.

Matt Эллен

oh

Cerberus

Most countries have such towns, but Detroit is particularly big.

Matt Эллен

indeed

Cerberus

15:07

@MattЭллен I see some good-looking recipes!

KitFox

@MattЭллен omg, that's brilliant!

Matt Эллен

GitHub for food!

Cerberus

The site won't load for me, so I have to view it in Google's cache, text mode.

Matt Эллен

oh

I wonder why it won't load for you

Cerberus

So do I.

> The page isn't redirecting properly

Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.

This problem can sometimes be caused by disabling or refusing to accept cookies.

Let me enable cookies for that site...

Matt Эллен

15:12

Do the powers that be need us to censor titles with swear words in them? @KitFox

Cerberus

Ah now it's working!

Matt Эллен

ah!

cookies

Cerberus

@MattЭллен The compromise we agreed on long ago was to do it like this:

KitFox

@MattЭллен Yes.

Matt Эллен

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Q: Shittly, shitly or shittily? (sorry!)

Is shittly a word (and if so, how many t's does it have?) or do I have to use shittily? Bonus points: How should I have written "t's" above (because I know the apostrophe here represents neither possession nor missing letters)?

MετάEd

15:13

Cerberus in real life.

Cerberus

> Title: what does this swear word related to female genitalia mean?
Body: Does *cunt* mean only the opening, or everything behind it?

KitFox

Just titles.

MετάEd

The third head is not pictured.

Cerberus

I apologise for the amateurism of my question in advance, but I had to think of something.

@MετάEd I presume only one face is functional?

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus I see

MετάEd

15:14

@Cerberus Not the way he told it. Legend has it.

Cerberus

Oh.

Impressive.

Is it three heads fused together?

So three people?

@MattЭллен Those are too mild to need censoring, I'd say.

I like the food-forking site.

Brilliant name.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus shit is getting milder, but is still quite strong, IMO

Cerberus

And concept.

@MattЭллен Oh, puh-lease, you prude!

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus not me, society

Cerberus

Not my society!

Matt Эллен

15:17

crap is mild. shit is stronger.

Cerberus

Newspapers on the Continent would print "shit" or "merde".

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus you don't live in an English speaking country

Cerberus

That would be something!

I know your countries are generally a bit more censorious...

KitFox

It's also probably more offensive here than there.

TRiG

@Cerberus Also, it's hard to judge the force of swearwords in a language not your own.

KitFox

15:18

Strong enough to warrant censoring.

Cerberus

I think it's silly and you should always fight censorship unless it's 100 % sure that you absolutely have to have it, but I don't really care, so censor it if you like.

KitFox

It's just the titles.

Cerberus

@TRiG Not harder than any random other word...

KitFox

It's hardly censorship.

Matt Эллен

noöne here wants to censor it. it's the rules we've been given

Cerberus

15:20

You interpret rules.

It's a choice.

KitFox

It's so people feel comfortable looking at the list at work without getting in trouble.

Matt Эллен

well, apart from the fact that having shit in a title would draw people for the wrong reasons

Cerberus

But fine, censor it.

KitFox

And anyway. When you're mod, you can do it however you like.

Cerberus

Hey, I hardly ever use swear words in English, you know that.

Matt Эллен

15:20

@Cerberus sure, but it's pretty clear what these rules are.

"don't have swear words in titles"

Cerberus

@KitFox That is a stupid thing to say. I already told you to do whatever you wanted, and shrugged, even.

KitFox

Also, I don't feel I need approval for my actions. Thanks, though.

Cerberus

I never gave you approval. I never even said anything to you about this question.

KitFox

I know. You gave me your personal permission to do whatever I wanted, which was very kind.

Cerberus

Talk to the hand.

I gave Matt my opinion, then told him I would not object to his censoring the title, that's all.

KitFox

15:22

No thanks. I'll take cake if you have some though.

looks hopeful

Cerberus

Made this last night.

MετάEd

@Cerberus No, the other head is where guys always keep their other head.

@Cerberus Pretty.

Cerberus

@MετάEd ...

Thanks.

I'm considering adding (raw) meringue.

But what if one of them has some immune problem?

Matt Эллен

then they'll die. it'll be fine

Cerberus

I'd have to announce that there was raw egg, and that is just awful.

Perhaps I should add blobs of whipped cream instead?

@MattЭллен That will be an ineffective meeting, then.

Matt Эллен

15:32

or mashed potato?

Cerberus

Umm yeah, I'll consider it.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus I find death very effective. It make meetings much faster

Cerberus

Haha, true.

Matt Эллен

"Oh! you're all dead? Then I guess I must be right."

Cerberus

But what if death is preceded by hours of excruciating pain?

Matt Эллен

15:34

have the beginning of the meeting in a sound proof room. once the pain starts, move the meeting for the remaining participants to somewhere else

Cerberus

OK.

I'll have one installed.

What's the numer of the urgent sound-proof-room service?

Wait, I need one more hyphen there.

Matt Эллен

+4485 486 0900

although I imagine that that number costs a million pounds a minute to call

+441670 710740

that's a better number to call

KitFox

I have no idea about anything to do with the NSA.

@MattЭллен Visual Acoustics?

MετάEd

@KitFox It used to be that if you wanted a job with NSA you just called your mom on the phone and told her.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox vivid, yes

KitFox

15:41

Then I'd have to talk to my mom...oh, wait. I guess I could leave it on her answering machine.

If she had any room left.

@MattЭллен Right. I can remember things for very short periods of time...

Matt Эллен

:D

KitFox

What was I doing?

Matt Эллен

waffles?

KitFox

Sounds delicious.

I think my husband would get jealous though.

And I did make this lifelong commitment...

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Hey, I get some woman on the phone talking sexy stuff...what's this??

KitFox

15:43

And I have two children into the bargain...

Matt Эллен

oh. well, nevermind then

KitFox

Maybe pancakes.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus proof of sound?

Cerberus

Hah.

She's making a sound already.

KitFox

Speaking of which, the one cat is in heat.

We dropped off the other cat to have him castrated today.

It may already be too late.

Matt Эллен

15:47

you might be having kittens?

KitFox

Maybe, considering what the cats were doing yesterday when I got home.

Monica

16:02

Hello

MετάEd

16:12

@Monica Howdy.

Mitch

@MattЭллен No one is listening to your awful, awful words. You're a monster.

Matt Эллен

you should always listen to monsters, just in case they reveal their weakness.

Only monsters like Nutella

Mitch

@KitFox "anymore"? But yes, I know what you mean.

Like in "Titanic" everybody cries at how tragic it is about the two starr-crossed lovers blah blah tragedy of thousands blah blah the mistakes that were made blah blah...

Matt Эллен

what they never tell you is that the Titanic was an experiment in eugenics

"Kill all these people. It should improve the gene pool"

Mitch

But there was one 3 second scene when the boat is going down, and you see a mom in one of the lower deck cabins, where they can't get out and are doomed, tucking her kids in bed and reading a story, trying to keep them calm.

KitFox

16:21

breaks down in tears

Mitch

Exactly.

KitFox

It didn't bother me this much until I had my own kids.

Mitch

@MattЭллен I bet you would have happily been part of that, you ... you... Nutella hater.

Also puppies.

Matt Эллен

You eat puppies?

you spread nutella on puppies and then bite into their tender flesh?

Mitch

Feb 14 at 14:38, by Mitch

So it'll be braised boneless baby puppy en croute with a tarragon infused cheese sauce. It'll be served momentarily.

Matt Эллен

16:24

And you wonder why people call you Mitch

Mitch

I have never wondered.

has second thoughts

sobs into hands

KitFox

Damn it. I blew my right earbud.

Matt Эллен

> The meaning of the name Mitch is Who Is Like God?

KitFox

I suppose it won't magically come back.

Matt Эллен

probably not

Mitch

16:26

@KitFox switch left and right.

KitFox

Damn it.

Mitch

You're welcome.

KitFox

I can't switch them. They are molded and stuff.

Mitch

You're not pushing hard enough.

KitFox

And they were free and freely given and I've only had them for like a month.

I hate today. I hate everything today.

Mitch

16:27

Oh...that totally sucks.

I'm sure there's something about today that is not terrible.

KitFox

I dropped it in my coffee by accident.

Mitch

Like... hey... I bet it's not snowing.

KitFox

You know it is.

Mitch

ha ha!

OK let me try another... I bet your coffee tastes good.

Dang it... no that's been ruined too.

KitFox

It tastes like earwax and electronics.

Which is actually not so bad.

Mitch

16:29

OK... You're one day older and one day smarter than yesterday.

KitFox

I hate me.

Mitch

Unless of course you've forgotten everything.

then that would totally suck.

KitFox

grumbles, shakes fist

Matt Эллен

I'm eHate

Mitch

@KitFox The worst part about punching something is that it usually really hurts your fist. Everything else is great about it though.

KitFox

16:30

I've got handwraps for that. Doesn't hurt so much then.

> Gartner’s leading and visionary Magic Quadrant segment.

What's that?

Mitch

@KitFox hm... together? that might work. A little Nutella would really make it though.

KitFox

looks up Magic Quadrants

Mitch

@KitFox You know, the Magic Quadrant... furiously googling for it ...it's like totally magic.

KitFox

slips on all the semen from the wanking on the page

TRiG

@Cerberus Coprolalia provides fairly good evidence that swearwords are actually stored differently in the brain. This is not true of foreign-language swearwords.

KitFox

16:33

Yes.

No amygdalar activation when using foreign-language swear words.

Amygdala, or cingulate? Damn. Can't remember.

Pretty sure is was the amygdala. That's where all the naughty signals come from.

Wow, phenry is really getting the Revolution in full swing, eh?

Mitch

@KitFox Touche .. or rather, please do not, I'm still cleaning up.

You don't care? I don't care that you don't care. — Matt Эллен 52 secs ago

!!youtube star wars I care

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Thanks a whole hell of a lot, @KitSox.

KitFox

She's not here.

I don't know where she is.

Matt Эллен

hibernating, probably

KitFox

No, she's not even here. When she was napping before, she'd still show up in the room.

Matt Эллен

do foxes hibernate?

probably not

KitFox

16:44

Not telling.

Can you explain to me what the FAST indexing requirement is?

Matt Эллен

that indexing happens fast

KitFox

Why is it all caps then?

Because it's important?

Matt Эллен

maybe it's relations: Fils, ... , Sœur, Tante

KitFox

hee hee

I can't remember. This is something I know.

Matt Эллен

Frater, Avus, Soror, ...

KitFox

16:49

Oh, that's why. It's Sharepoint's search server.

Matt Эллен

oh

Mitch

Blurgh...Sharepoint.

MετάEd

@MattЭллен You sound like you are counting in Astrology.

Which is like counting in Chemistry: Hydrogen, Helium, Lithium.

Mitch

...nine, ten, eleven. Eleven. There are eleven planets.

MετάEd

Because why count protons using numbers when we can use weird names.

One, two, three, crunch. Three.

KitFox

16:57

Deuterium, Tritium...

crunch

MετάEd

One, two, five. Three, sir! Three! Three.

Matt Эллен

@MετάEd singing the element just by number is less entertaining

Mitch

That's cheating. He could have crunched on 1.

KitFox

I'd have crunched on 2, but I'm kinky like that.

MετάEd

@MattЭллен If you mean you are a Tom Lehrer fan, I am elated.

@KitFox Yikes.

Matt Эллен

16:58

@MετάEd I might be. I think I only know that one song

MετάEd

@MattЭллен Do you know the Silent E song from Electric Company?

Matt Эллен

not as far as I know

KitFox

@MετάEd Which one?

The old one?

Because there are at least two more now that are also really cool.

Silent E is a ninja.

And the other one with basketball.

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Matt Эллен

toodle pip

KitFox

Bai!

MετάEd

17:06

@KitFox The old one, "who can turn a plan into a plane" ... "it's Silent E"

KitFox

He can turn a tub into a tube.

MετάEd

@KitFox "But my friend Sam ... stayed just the same!"

That's Tom Lehrer.

KitFox

Which in my little brain was always followed by "He can turn a pub into a pube."

@MετάEd Got it. files away for future use

MετάEd

@KitFox Oooh.

I knew there was a reason I don't vote Repubelican.

Jasper Loy

Wow, there's so much conversation the last hour, lol.

MετάEd

17:11

What's the name of that user who tried to get nominated for mod here because "power to the people"?

Jasper Loy

Evan Carroll?

KitFox

No! Don't say it!

MετάEd

@JasperLoy thanks yes that was it.

KitFox

goddamnit

Jasper Loy

He might just magically appear now.

MετάEd

17:11

I was wondering if he was standing for StackOverflow moderator.

But I didn't recognize any of the names.

KitFox

I don't know if he is allowed there.

Jasper Loy

It's strange that sometimes some site suddenly cannot be accessed.

MετάEd

17:30

@JasperLoy Welcome to the 21st Century, where technology is better except that it constantly breaks down.

Jasper Loy

You may refresh to see my new avatar, never seen before.

I am now the yellow square.

MετάEd

Blinded!

Jasper Loy

-1

Q: Is “haha” disrespectful?

When a woman says haha! to me, is she laughing with me or at me?

meaning idioms

This question should be nuked!

-1

Q: When a woman says ''no problem'' to thank you, is she being disrespectful?

I am curious to read your thoughts on the matter.

meaning phrases idioms possessive doubled-words

OMG, this as well.

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Q: Bunch of girls/Buncha girls

as English isn't my first language, I don't really 'feel' whether bunch of girls/buncha girls is offensive, friendly, etc.? Could you tell me what's the proper meaning of the phrase? I hear it in movies, in different contexts, and it often seems negative, but I'm just not sure.

meaning word-choice grammar differences idioms

This as well.

TimLymington

17:52

The 'proper meaning' of a phrase is just what I choose it to mean. No more and no less.

KitFox

YAY! My earbud fixed itself.

Jasper Loy

18:10

There was once my ear was stuck for a month.

MετάEd

@TimLymington Thank you, Rev. Dodgson.

Mitch

@TimLymington No. It's what I choose it to mean. You might get lucky and choose mine also, but if you don't you're wrong.

TimLymington

@Mitch: There's glory for you! (next line, IIRC).

Mitch

@JasperLoy Wow. this guy should get together with @EnglishMaster. They could answer each others lovelife problems.

@TimLymington Oh! Ha ha! I didn't get the reference.

Ooh ooh... ask another!

Jasper Loy

18:30

@Mitch I don't get it either, but don't bother to explain.

Mitch

"Glory" means a nice knock-down argument. That is, if you're into the 'meaning' thing.

@JasperLoy That sounds like a challenge.

sabian.org/looking_glass6.php

Jasper Loy

@Mitch Well, it means what I choose it to mean, lol.

Mitch

Read the whole thing. I'll wait.

bites lip waiting for @JasperLoy's head to explode

Did you get the part where they all die?

Jasper Loy

@Mitch OK, I won't read the whole thing, but I found the glory part and read that.

Mitch

Not yet? what about when the dormouse pops out of the tea cup and gives the Mad Hatter an unHeartattack?

@JasperLoy mindsploding?

TimLymington

18:33

@Mitch That's 'Why, you're all nothing but a pack of cards!' A feeling I often get on ELU.

Jasper Loy

@Mitch Yes.

Mitch

@TimLymington It's so obvious she's not dreaming at this point because it is only throughtrue consciousness that we can tell the irreality of things. So when her sister supposedly 'wakes her up', she's really gone into a fugue state... She's actually been awake all this time and is suffering hallucinations from staying awake too long . I mean, that's how it works.

TimLymington

@Mitch: yes, that's the feeling , I recognise it now...

MετάEd

@Mitch So the pack of cards is her "fugue off" moment.

Jasper Loy

@TimLymington Your spelling suggests you are not American, lol.

TimLymington

18:44

@JasperLoy: last time I looked neither Lymington nor Christ Church Meadow, Oxford (the generally accepted setting for 'Alice') was in the US of.

MετάEd

@TimLymington US of Mexico?

Mitch

US of Arab Emirates?

KitFox

Eh?

Mitch

What? Oh, your earplugs are in too tight.

@MετάEd Fugueddaboutit

KitFox

OK. I had some awesome house music bumping in my earbuds, but somehow that's mutated to Chicago.

WTF Pandora?

goes to create a Grooveshark profile

KitFox

19:06

OK, trouble with Grooveshark is that I don't know how to use it.

MετάEd

19:28

@KitFox It's hard to get that big shark into that tiny little groove.

Robusto

@KitFox How do you like it so far?

KitFox

It's fun. I like the graphics, and the theme seems really thoughtful and cohesive.

Mitch

@MετάEd Dude, it's a metaphor, the shark doesn't literally get into the groove. It gets into Madonna. Through her entrails.

KitFox

19:45

What do you call the first two bits of html on a page? The doctype and the ... namespace? I feel like I am superimposing coding lingo on markup language.

JSBձոգչ

the header?

i'm not sure that i follow

KitFox

I'm not sure I do either.

JSBձոգչ

you have <doctype html> and then <html> ...

there's no other bit between the doctype and the html tag

KitFox

Yeah, those.

I'm trying to describe that. The <html> has a namespace property. Attribute. Thingy.

Gah. It's like my brain is made out of yogurt.

Too much reading code today. Too much diagramming! Yaahhhh!

head explodes

JSBձոգչ

it does?

i don't think i've ever written anything other than <html> at the top of my document

Robusto

19:54

@KitFox Do you mean the xmlns attribute?

That's only for xhtml, which should be dead right about . . . now.

Use HTML 5 and you don't need any of that crap.

MετάEd

w3schools.com/tags/att_html_xmlns.asp

"The xmlns attribute specifies the xml namespace for a document. ... The xmlns attribute is required in XHTML, invalid in HTML 4.01, and optional in HTML5."

Matt Эллен

20:21

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our e was magic

Robusto

20:49

Don'tcha think moreso oughta be a word?

Robusto

21:02

> Someone keeps moving my-y-y-y chair.

MετάEd

@Robusto Ever-So-Much-More-So:

Homer Price

Homer Price is the title character of a pair of children's books written by Robert McCloskey. Homer Price was published in 1943, and Centerburg Tales in 1951. Characters Homer lives in Centerburg, a small town in Ohio just north of Columbus. He is a mild-mannered boy who enjoys fixing radios, and who somehow gets involved in a series of outrageous incidents, such as tending an inexplicably unstoppable doughnut-making machine in his uncle's diner, or caring for mystery plants that turn out to be giant form of allergy-inducing ragweed. He does odd jobs like raking leaves, and sweeping up the...

KitSox

21:48

yip yip

Matt Эллен

Playing counterstrike global offensive and finding that children with microphones are more annoying than I expected.

Robusto

For a little harmless fun, try pasting this into your console: $('#widgets .sidebar-widget').first().append('<span id="chinky">這是很酷</span>')

Matt Эллен

similar to communism: it's on the left

Robusto

Unless you're a communist or RTL'er, then it's on the right.

Matt Эллен

it is on the right half of the screen.

Mitch

22:03

or Australian.

KitFox

22:31

@Robusto I thought we'd been over this.

Hi.

It's old tech and weirdly assembled.

If it were easy, I wouldn't be asking the question.

Anyway, @Reg, the Sox is back.

Johan Larsson

22:50

Is Sox autocollapsing now?

the bots on SO are running it I think

tchrist

@MattЭллен red

Why am I seeing red in the notifications?

And by SEX no less.

Why does it have the SEX icon instead of ELU?

KitFox

What?

tchrist

Does this mean the Republicans have won, or just the communists?

The notification in the top left.

List of new questions.

KitFox

@JohanLarsson I haven't pulled anything. Should I?

tchrist

There are two at the bottom in red, with a stackexchange icon not an ELU one.

KitFox

22:54

Something is messed up.

The blog addresses are remapping.

tchrist

Oh.

KitFox

Maybe there's more to it than that too.

Johan Larsson

@KitFox dunno, think it works well, not seen so much spam here lately though

KitFox

Can you get a screenshot?

tchrist

Alas, I clicked it past.

Wish I hadn’t.

I’ll get it next time.

I think it was the ones that were already closed.

KitFox

22:55

I noticed the Stack icon earlier too. I thought it was odd.

I wonder what happened.

Dinner time. Later.

Stack Exchange

Limerick Machine: There once was a duck billed baboon Who carried a gigantic spoon To scoop out ice cream From the...

posted on February 18, 2014 by sgdi

There once was a duck billed baboon Who carried a gigantic spoon To scoop out ice cream From the small ice cream stream And catapult it to the moon

Cerberus

23:33

@TRiG How do you mean?

Dutch people with La Tourette's will also swear in English...

Language is language, and there is no clear-cut difference between one language and the next...

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