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00:01
@Cerberus The Internet is insecure and self conscious. The singularity had a bad case of acne as a teenager.
Oh, has it happened yet?
@Cerberus Ha ha. No. I just reacted. Like desktop cold fusion.
I'm watching you.
Don't let it happen again.
@Cerberus I think so, and actually not Marrix style on the Internet but in modern society, in the late 1800's. Trains and telegraph and radio did it.
@Cerberus looks over shoulder
sees wall
Noted.
00:05
relaxes
drools
whoa, went too far. tenses up a little bit
@Cerberus Dammit, I reacted again.
@Mitch how much?
Jai!
00:52
@JohanLarsson Enough to stop drooling.
for how long?
wonders where this line of questioning is going
just making conversation
Ok I'll play. 17 seconds. No, 18. Crap, no, 17.
should also sleep, bad sign when Cerb is already sleeping
goto bed;
nite sir
01:53
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 That's rather cool!
@Mitch You just can't control yourself, can you?
That's what we like about you.
 
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02:58
@Cerberus This is something that will get worse before it gets better
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Quite possibly.
But how long will it take?
years. decades, maybe.
it depends.
Even the latest hardware and software are still not fundamentally secure.
As in phones and computers.
And how long have we had to research and develop a fundamentally secure system?
No but the latest software is a moving target, making it harder to attack on a wide scale. The internet of things will not be the latest hardware.
or software.
That is the problem.
Essentially, it's very difficult to design a "fundamentally secure" system.
probably impossible.
Why do we need to put 'a' before saying 'hard time' or 'regular basis'?
What is the rule called?
03:09
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why not?
@Cerberus well, it will be, at first, but it is the nature of embedded systems to remain unchanged once sold.
Don't people want the latest software for their microwave?
Why not?
what they want is their microwave to heat up their leftovers
@EnglishMaster I'm not sure if there's a rule with a name. You're just using a determiner.
03:11
If the latest software is more efficient with energy, or if it is able to heat the chicken in just the right 3D pattern to make it evenly tender, or...
Yes.
Sure, in some cases, there might be call for software improvements. But I like having the latest software, more than the average person, I bet, and I am annoyed when my blue-ray player wants to update its software. And that thing is actually legitimately a computer.
@EnglishMaster Well, they are idioms. But there is nothing unusual about the "a" in "a regular basis"
It follows the same rules as the "a" in all the other things where you use the indefinite article.
Ok, got it
TA
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And you are not annoyed when your OS or your browser or your whatever wants to update?
I see no real reason why microwaves wouldn't want to update.
03:16
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 "the internet of things" - mindsploded
@Cerberus I'm less annoyed. my browser updates usually bring new features that I care about. My microwave is identical to when I first bought it and I honestly can't imagine that it would be better with different software.
well, that's not entirely true.
@Cerberus Yeah, what if there's a bug in your silicon compiled algorithm in a chip? YOu can't change that. Your toast will forever be microwaved on only one side.
I suppose I do dislike how you have to first press "cook" on my microwave, then enter the time, then press "start". I guess a software update could change that.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I know. Mine needs a bit more cleaning than when it was first bought.
@Cerberus Oh no! I've become the excrescent Sally Fields!
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 could -> should, but probably doesn't
@Mitch Who?
03:20
!!wiki sally fields
Sally Margaret Field (born November 6, 1946) is an American actress, singer, producer, director, and screenwriter. In each decade of her career, she has been known for her leading American TV and film roles, most notably in Gidget (1965–66), The Flying Nun (1967–70), Sybil (1976), Smokey and the Bandit (1977), Hooper (1978), Norma Rae (1979), Absence of Malice (1981), Places in the Heart (1984), Steel Magnolias (1989), Not Without My Daughter (1991), Mrs. Doubtfire (1993), Forrest Gump (1994), Eye for an Eye (1996), ER, Brothers & Sisters (2006–11), The Amazing Spider-Man, and Lincoln (20...
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And see above.
!!wiki you really like me
@Mitch No result found
Still. The "Internet of Things" will eventually extend to just about anything someone wants to connect. They sell wi-fi-enabled light bulbs, for crying out loud.
You can imagine the chaos if it turns out that anyone with a smartphone can hijack the lighting controls of any place with "smart" lightbulbs.
03:23
Besides, in the future you won't have a microwave and a blender and a stove, but a cooking machine. It will cook stuff for you. You put in the ingredients, and it does various complex things to them. A recipe will be what it has to do. You need to download it from the Internet.
anyway, Sally Field (no 's') is famous for her Oscar winning speech (the speech about winning an Oscar, not a speech that won her an Oscar) where she says "You really like me".
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Next thing they'll have... wifi enabled wifi.
OK, that's just ludicrous. Wifi doesn't need to be enabled with wifi, it already is wifi. What kind of idiotic suggestion is that?
@Cerberus In the future we're all dead. Just sayin' !
And so far the "internet of things" is mainly home-automation stuff. Which is cool and useful, etc, but is still not really "internet" yet. the wifi-light-bulbs only talk to other devices on the lan. But eventually they will be talking to other lightbulbs on the internet. plotting to plunge the world into darkness. Or to just dim periodically in a fashion calculated to make you question your own sanity.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Do they change themselves? That would be the feature I would by them for. How many lightbulbs does it take to change a lightbulb?
@Mitch Well, that's just it. Do they update their own software automatically?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 lights dim unexpectedly
03:27
@Mitch No we shall have life aeternal.
backs away from appliances
@Cerberus with a bunch of sentient lightbullbs.
I think the mid-to-long-term internet of things will feature devices with modular connectivity. Lamps and stuff will be sold with interchangeable modules that can be replaced. That way when nobody uses 802.11n anymore you can replace the wifi module in your lamp and still control it.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Uhh there already are lots of things that you can turn on online, like heating and laps, I believe.
"Hell is eternal life with no mirrors"? Really? That's pretty egocentric.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I am all for modularity.
But it's bed time.
03:28
@Cerberus well, there are some, but typically that's through some kind of control center. the devices themselves are not talking to the internet.
@Mitch l'Enfer, c'est les autres.
Oh. Hm. I must not have been listening in class. Or reading very closely.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Just as your computer is only talking to the Internet through a router...
Really it's other people? That's kinda bleak.
Mais oui.
Good night to you both!
03:30
I mean the other dude just shot someone down on the beach, stays in prison for a bit before he's executed, and thinks about his mom. Not many 'other people' there.
Yeah.
I hated that story.
Bye, now!
@Cerberus No, not at all the same. My computer is sending messages to the internet through a message-passing device. My lightbulbs are not communicating with external devices through the control centre. They are responding to commands from the control centre. The CC is communicating with external devices.
03:49
@Mitch Wait till your lightbulb crashes from a bad firmware update.
04:01
@tchrist I wanted to stay much longer.
04:54
You should've.
 
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06:05
Which programming language do you think it must be taught as the first?
And why?
06:33
BASIC because it was the first programming language to be formally taught.
!!wiki BASIC programming language
BASIC (an acronym for Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code) is a family of general-purpose, high-level programming languages whose design philosophy emphasizes ease of use. In 1964, John G. Kemeny and Thomas E. Kurtz designed the original BASIC language at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire. They wanted to enable students in fields other than science and mathematics to use computers. At the time, nearly all use of computers required writing custom software, which was something only scientists and mathematicians tended to do. Versions of BASIC became widespread on microcompu...
Oh no, BASIC! But it's better than teaching JS as the first language I think.
java script?
I believe in following the traditional historic path.
06:41
Me two.
BASIC is still taught in middle and high schools.
Followed by Pascal.
IDK, I haven't used Basic and Pascal before ^_^/...
And "turbo-Pascal"
Reading the above wiki article will give you a good idea where to start.
06:48
Thx, I want to be next Billy Gates
in my country, Russia.
Which one sounds more formal in a customer service conversation?
1) "Sure, Kimberly, Lisa Jefferson from Vegetarian Press is going to introduce the new vegetarian products."
2) "Definitely, Lisa Jefferson from Vegetarian Press is going to introduce the new vegetarian products."
If you want formality use #2 without the "definitely"
Lisa Jefferson, from Vegetarian Press, will now introduce the new vegetarian products
* now
 
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09:01
I think it's 4
Since it's talking about when scientists talk to each other, they use maths and stuffs, but in sales, they hire publicist who dilutes the exactness of mathematics
Innit?
09:55
5
or 1
The more I reread it...the more I think the answer is #1 imo
10:16
!!wiki scientific language
:Or see Scientific terminology. In computer programming, a scientific language is a programming language optimized for the use of mathematical formulas and matrices. (Though these functions can be performed using any language, they are more easily expressed in scientific languages.) Scientific languages include ALGOL, FORTRAN, and APL. Scientific language must be grammatically correct giving an concise and correct information. References * http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=scientific+language&i=50874,00.asp
I think they mean scientific terminology
!!wiki scientific terminology
While studying nature, scientists often encounter or create new material or immaterial objects and concepts and are compelled to name them. Most of those names are known only to professionals. However, due to popularization of science, they gradually become part of common languages. Several categories of scientific terminology can be distinguished. New concepts Those are specific notions and terms, e.g., *nanoarchitectonics, *spintronics - a neologism meaning "spin transport electronics", *spinplasmonics, which are often not yet big enough to create a new field of science. Arguably, i...
The scientist degrades his ability to use the proper scientific terminology in favor of good salesmanship.
10:41
Interesting
Hawking was told that for every equation that he uses in his popular book he would lose half of his readers.
!!wiki a brief history of time
A Brief History of Time (subtitled "From the Big Bang to Black Holes") is a popular-science book written by British physicist Stephen Hawking and first published by the Bantam Dell Publishing Group in 1988. It became a best-seller and has sold more than 10 million copies. It was also on the London Sunday Times best-seller list for more than four years. Overview A Brief History of Time attempts to explain a range of subjects in cosmology, including the Big Bang, black holes and light cones, to the nonspecialist reader. Its main goal is to give an overview of the subject but, unusual for...
No point reading popular books and ending up knowing nothing while having a bunch of misconceptions.
The author notes that an editor warned him that for every equation in the book the readership would be halved, hence it includes only a single equation: E = mc^2
11:22
what's the equation for readership in terms of number of equations in the book?
And since there's a ^2, the readership got quartered.
!!wiki quartered
To be hanged, drawn and quartered was from 1351 a penalty in England for men convicted of high treason, although the ritual was first recorded during the reigns of King Henry III (1216–1272) and his successor, Edward I (1272–1307). Convicts were fastened to a hurdle, or wooden panel, and drawn by horse to the place of execution, where they were hanged (almost to the point of death), emasculated, disembowelled, beheaded and quartered (chopped into four pieces). Their remains were often displayed in prominent places across the country, such as London Bridge. For reasons of public decency...
@RegDwigнt What does mailer daemon mean?
It's a program that sends emails.
In multitasking computer operating systems, a daemon ( or ) is a computer program that runs as a background process, rather than being under the direct control of an interactive user. Traditionally daemon names end with the letter d: for example, syslogd is the daemon that implements the system logging facility and sshd is a daemon that services incoming SSH connections. In a Unix environment, the parent process of a daemon is often, but not always, the init process. A daemon is usually created by a process forking a child process and then immediately exiting, thus causing init to adopt...
Can you explain it more clearly for me?
Please
11:26
> In multitasking computer operating systems, a daemon ( or ) is a computer program that runs as a background process
I am afraid I cannot explain it more clearly than the collective minds of the millions of people writing Wikipedia.
So what happened in my computer? Is it a problem?
I don't know what happened in your computer because you haven't told us what happened, or indeed that something did.
I have email from mailer daemon and I don't know what happened exactly
If you are looking at an error message, you should quote that error message. If you're just looking at the two words "mailer daemon", they are just two words and not a problem.
When in doubt ignore it completely. It could be spam and cost you a fortune.
Fortune for what?
11:30
If this is your very first encounter with a mailer-daemon mail, you have not been using email for long enough to do anything but completely ignore this particular email and move on.
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Q: What is the origin of "daemon" with regards to computing?

MrHenDaemon has an interesting usage in computing. From my local dictionary: a background process that handles requests for services such as print spooling and file transfers, and is dormant when not required Does anyone know where this came from? I assume its relation to the word demon is notab...

It means that somebody hack me?
Please help me what should I do?
I'm apprehensive
Please
Help me
Please
it's probably nothing to worry about, it's just part of the thing that makes email work. But you've not told us anything about what happened so we can't help until you tell more about where exactly you saw it.
I saw it in my email address
in the headers?
11:38
I saw mailer-daemon email me
Yes
I have this email in my inbox
you sometimes see that when an email couldn't be sent
What should I do?
Yes, I saw it many times
read the message to see what it says
if it says an email you sent couldn't be sent to an address, double check the address and find a correct one
I didn't understand
What it said
was it something like this?

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

[email protected]

Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for the recipient domain somewhere.com by smtp-in.that.com.

The error that the other server returned was:
550 #5.1.0 Address rejected.
11:43
I wonder why USA didn't just invade Canada and take over their oil fields instead of paying them for it like they are doing right now
It said: Message expired for domain gmail.com
Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address
ok, so they are apologising ("Sorry") that couldn't send ("unable to deliver") your email ("your message") to another email address ("the following address")
that address may be misspelled
or it might not exist anymore
or they might have a temporary problem at their end
your email didn't get through
double check the address, and try and find a new one if you typed it correctly
OK, I'm afraid because I think somebody hack me.
@Hugo Really thank you
you're welcome. It doesn't sound like you've been hacked, just a problem sending an email.
Yes. Thanks a lot for helping
12:06
0
Q: Personality which is amazing yet painful?

user61865English and to name a positive and negative characteristic

Good thing he specified "English".
12:18
Since edited, and much clearer now:
0
Q: What word best describes a Personality which is amazing yet painful?

user61865English and to name a positive and negative characteristic

What word best describes a Personality which is rich yet violet?
What word best describes a Personality which is fast yet beer?
What word best describes a Personality which is round yet LEGO?
violet-rich
beer-fast
Infinite reps, here I come.
Lego-round
wow your good
12:20
ta
Infinite reps, here you come.
@RegDwigнt painful-amazing
I can haz certificate that it really is best word? tnx
yes, you can haz
Oh this is so gr8.
A+++ would ask again.
12:22
0
Q: What does a phrase "Plunder for all!" mean?

user1956641A fleet of ships is going to attack other fleet and on the meeting of capitans of the ships from first fleet one capitan tells "Plunder for all!". What does that mean?

Clearly that ship the captain saw was a swimming bakery.
Plunder is German for this:
oh! tasty
Plunder indeed
Here it even says "plunder".
12:29
oh! pastry
0.75 Euro apiece! Even a sailor can afford that.
Oy oh, chicken on a raft
> These are some, perhaps not all, of the uses of 'namely'.
lol
perhaps
I have answered a number of closed questions, lol.
I have closed a number of answered questions, lol.
Soon they will be deleted and my rep will drop, lol.
12:37
Soon your rep will rise, but you'll delete your account, lol.
Is this the lol bot?
And now I'm pulling in a whaling crew.
Chicken on a lol.
@JasperLoy why are you talking to yourself now lol?
Oh that stupid chicken thing.
There's Kit. Hopefully she has 0.75 Euro, still some plunder left.
12:39
digs in pocketses All I've got is this ring...
One ring to rule them all.
Ring of fire.
Heya, @Matt. clears throat
One ring to look like the ring that is the ring to rule them all
Hiya @KitFox :)
!!wiki ring ring
12:40
Ring Ring may refer to: * Ring Ring (album), an album by Björn & Benny, Agnetha & Anni-Frid who would later become ABBA ** "Ring Ring" (song), a song by Björn & Benny, Agnetha & Anni-Frid * "Ring Ring," a song by singer-songwriter Mika's which is a bonus track on his debut album Life in Cartoon Motion * Ring Ring, a 14 year old girl in the Pucca TV series, see List of characters in Pucca * "Ring Ring, I've Got To Sing", a song composed and performed by Ferre Grignard in the early 1960s See also * Ringtone * *
Singer-songwriter Mika's?
We slap 's onto completely random words now?
So...if a body were to parse JSON strings, what tool might be best for that uh, body to use? Node.js or somesuch?
@RegDwigнt Mika is a person's name
so, yes
It's because it's Mika's song.
A song by Mika's.
@KitFox in what environment? I think you can do it in your browser, if you bring up the console
12:42
chortles, runs away quickly
@RegDwigнt OIC
@MattЭллен I will be doing it a lot and repeatedly, probably something I can do in Visual Studio. Or I can do it using the mongodb environment, I guess, since I will be doing that in the long run anyway, maybe.
I don't know! I was just making conversation!
in .net there's a class for parsing JSON
Oh. Have I done that before? It seems like I've done that before.
maybe you have!
12:45
I remember working with JSON with those damn motion charts.
damn those charts
But I thought that was all using javascript.
@RegDwigнt they misspelt witch
And that's all on my other computer, which is way over there ....
so far away
12:46
Some things seem so near, yet they are so far.
Some things seem so far, yet they are so near.
If I go get it, I'll have to look at my email.
Hm. I just got an upvote on an old answer of mine, so I went to read that answer, and it is actually good. I don't remember writing all that interesting stuff. TIL something from myself!
I love it when that happens!
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A: Was für ein Wort ist "Ei"/"Ai"?

RegDwightIm Saarländischen ist „ei“ keine Interjektion, sondern ein Diskursmarker (vergleichbar mit dem englischen „well“ oder dem einleitenden „also“ im Hochdeutschen). Interjektionen „drücken [...] eine bestimmte Empfindung, Bewertungs- oder Willenshaltung des Sprechers aus oder übermitteln eine an de...

I seriously don't remember writing the better half of this.
Sometimes I read something and think 'this is pretty funny, I like this!' and then I realize that it's something I wrote and that makes me feel good too.
@RegDwigнt Maybe you were drunk.
No, I actually know where I was at that time. Here on ELU.
I remember the circumstances but not the fact.
Dec 20 '13 at 16:41, by Robusto
I was going to make that exact same comment, but then saw I already had.
You are amazing!
But am I also yet painful?
If so, I could reopen that question and answer "hippo".
painzingful
12:51
Actually, come to think of it, hippos are amazing yet painful.
Poor question. I treated it unjustly.
Oh I forgot you are a mod on GLU as well.
Many people forget it. In fact TPTB tried to take it away from me only recently.
You should be a mod on RLU too when it opens.
@RegDwigнt Why?
It is open and it has a bunch of mods.
And I gave it a boost by posting 11 questions during the Hat Bash.
Ah, I should look for vgv8 and trg787 there, lol.
12:54
@JasperLoy you should be a mod in Chinese Language
@MattЭллен My Chinese is much worse than my English!
@JasperLoy nah nothing serious. The site's in a Sleeping-Beauty sleep, and so am I. So I got a reminder I could perhaps be more active
@JasperLoy with all due respect, that is simply not possible!
3
Q: Is there a most usual way to say "hand sanitizer" in Chinese?

hippietrailI'm finding in the non-touristy places in China where I'm spending my time in cheaper places etc that there's often no place to wash your hands, or it's dirty, or there's no soap. I've been recommended to buy some hand sanitizer, but the Wikipedia page doesn't link to a Chinese equivalent and Wi...

@RegDwigнt It is true, really.
@JasperLoy now say that in Chinese.
12:56
@RegDwigнt I would say "shi zhen de".
@JasperLoy Okay, I concede, it is worse. I do not understand a word.
OK, some people here are better at CHinese, and some are better at English.
2
Q: What's the difference between 保育院 and 孤儿院?

deutschZuidPer title. Both describe an institution for children who have no parents. I've looked around on the Internet and asked several people about this, but no one seems to have a definitive answer? Does it have anything to do with how they become orphans, i.e., whether they were abandoned by their par...

In school, all the subjects are taught in English, except the languages.
@MattЭллен question looks fake. Why would a hippie need a hand sanitizer? BRB asking on Skeptics. @hippietrail
12:57
lol
@MattЭллен that one's easy. The first two out of three characters are totally different.
Like, not the same at all.
@MattЭллен I have only heard of the latter term, not the former, see how bad my Chinese is?
Perhaps it's the OP's Chinese that is bad, then?
"I've never heard a native speaker of English use the word protukskayalovskaya. See how bad my English is?"
Your English is awful.
I know! There are literally more words that I have never heard in English than I have heard in all other languages combined!
13:02
Just check the OED!
Been there, done that. OED does not have protukskayalovskaya, either.
Nor 保育院.
They are really quite useless.
Anyway, if IIRC, the full stop in Chinese is not a dot but actually a small circle at the bottom, interesting.
But I'm writing English here.
Yes, I know.
Phew. I was afraid you wouldn't.
13:05
The circle is a waste of ink.
See? This is why I should not have picked up the other computer. This is your fault, @Matt.
Now I'm going to have to update my repo.
bbl
13:25
casts circle of protection: foxes
cats circle of protection: more cats
Coats more chocolate.
@KitFox I used to read things and think 'wow that was a stupid thing to say' and I thought of that as a sign I was getting smarter and smarter. Now I read things I used to say and think 'what a clever thing to say, so complex and interesting, I don't know if I could figure that out now.'
@RegDwigнt You've obviously never coated a cat in chocolate. It's not pretty or comfortable.
@tchrist I think I could handle a light bulb crash. A car or building crash wouldn't work out so well.
@Mitch You've obviously never read an English sentence without "pretty" or "comfortable" before, and assumed they are always implied.
@RegDwigнt I'm pretty comfortable with that.
13:38
Pretty is in the eye of the chocolatier.
@RegDwigнt Also, I've never read an English sentence before. Or made assumptions.
@RegDwigнt mmm... chocolatier.
Reading is overrated. These days, writing is perfectly sufficient.
13:52
Being sufficient is overrated. Manage expectations by starting from nothing,.
!!wiki chocolatier
A chocolatier is someone who makes confectionery from chocolate. Chocolatiers are distinct from chocolate makers, who create chocolate from cacao beans and other ingredients. Professional chocolatiers study topics including the following: * the history of chocolate * modern techniques of cultivation and processing * the chemistry of chocolate's flavors and textures * chocolate tempering, dipping, decorating, and molding * confectionery formulae based on ganache and/or fondant * business management skills of marketing and production. The operation of a chocolaterie is a common practice...
Like chocolate bunnies.

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