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@JohanLarsson It's used like comic sans, only on purpose.
I thought Comic Sans was sarcastic? What else could be comic about it? It is basically very sad.
My work here is done.
@Cerberus 2000 pounds. I KNOW you know this. You’re just feigning ignorance because of your contempt for our traditional system of measurements.
@tchrist Not at all, I had absolutely no idea.
I tried to remember units in the past, but I am not sure what a ton is now, lol.
Is a ton 1000kg?
00:07
Yes.
But not an Imperial ton.
Is a ton a tonne?
Yes.
Well, I am gonna stick to SI.
2
Sure.
Interestingly, the SI unit for mass is kg, not g.
The metric system is nice, but wouldn't it be even better if the unit was based on exactly 10^(something) moles, instead of just an arbitrary amount of water?
Or better yet, 12^(something) moles
> Yes I'm speaking to you Liberia, Burma & US.
@JohanLarsson You’re speaking of the world’s largest economy. You tiny-country people cannot begin to start to understand, nor overcome, the inertial resistance.
Come and live here for a year, or even a week, and you might start to catch a glimmer. Whether it takes you a week or a year will depend on you.
It is a quote
@JohanLarsson That's nice.
@tchrist Every country dislikes change. But America is already far on its way towards the metric system...
00:21
@JohanLarsson Be that as it may, nothing changes.
Not well.
Not at all in daily conversation. Ever.
It isn’t how people think.
Not yet.
Almost all other countries have made the leap already...
So what?
That just is NOT the way to win over Americans. Ever.
Most Americans do not own a passport, and will never need one.
Does this work for you?
What the rest of the world does is immaterial to them.
And trying to use it as an argument will just make them oppose you for that very reason.
Haven’t you figured that out yet?
Maybe once the majority of Americans no longer speak English.
Since Metric is the opposite of English here, so it cuts to their heart.
Take away their language from their cold dead bodies. A language is a very very personal thing.
Wars have been fought over them.
Still are.
Anyway, do not pay too much heed to the speck in your brother’s eye instead of the plank lodged in your own.
I know Americans think they're special...
But you can already see a lot more metric usage on popular websites now than, say, a decade ago.
Of course it will take a while.
Even France isn't all the way there yet, I bet.
We still use pounds and ounces at the market (though slightly tweaked to be more compatible with metric units).
As in, a pound is 500g.
00:38
Quick question, has anyone here read Mark Twain?
@Cerberus And how many pounds per ton?
That would be 2000...but pounds are only used at the market, not in shipping.
@IQAndreas Maybe short passages, but certainly not much...why? I'm sure Tchrist has.
@Cerberus I'm looking to verify something I heard in an audio book: english.stackexchange.com/questions/145176/…
I might be mixing him up with another contemporary author.
@Cerberus I rest my case.
00:53
That you already knew there were 2000 pounds to the ton.
That's a metric ton.
And pounds and ton(ne)s are never used in the same context here.
I knew nothing about non-metric tons.
> 1.
a unit of weight, equivalent to 2000 pounds (0.907 metric ton) avoirdupois (short ton) in the U.S. and 2240 pounds (1.016 metric tons) avoirdupois (long ton) in Great Britain.
2.
Also called freight ton. a unit of volume for freight that weighs one ton, varying with the type of freight measured, as 40 cubic feet of oak timber or 20 bushels of wheat.
3.
metric ton.
4.
displacement ton.
5.
a unit of volume used in transportation by sea, commonly equal to 40 cubic feet (1.13 cu. m) (shipping ton or measurement ton)
Then there is 100 for a darting ton, and 100,000 for a Dutch monetary ton.
> He who knows and knows not he knows, he is asleep: wake him.
You forgot the fuckton and the shitton.
Well, the first works, but I think the second is a verb.
It is also a noun.
01:02
I’ve heard “I’ve gotta fuckton of work to do”, but not the other.
Shitload then. 100 shitloads to the fuckton.
Do you happen to remember what I changed my password to?
Oh, shitloads of shitloads, sure.
I fear the OED is behind the times on fuckton though. They attest only fuck, fuckability, fuckable, fuck buddy, fucked, fucked-off, fucked-out, fucked-up, fuckee, fucker, fuckface, fuckfest, fuckhead, fuckhole, fucking, fuckload, fuck-me, fuck-off, fuck-pig, fuck-up, fuckwad, fuckwitted, fuck you, and fuck-you money at present.
Hmm.
No fuck-knuckle either.
We should perhaps remedy that.
However, they do also attest all of clusterfuck, dry fuck, fist-fucker, flying fuck, fuck, fucked, fucker, fucking, go take a flying fuck, mercy fuck, mind-fuck, mindfucker, motherfuck, mother-fucker, not to give a flying fuck, pigfucker, pigfucking, rat fuck, rat-fucker, sport-fucking, and starfucker.
I've never heard rat fuck or starfucker before.
TIL
01:05
You know, all in all, as dictionaries go, the OED has a fucking lot of fuck words.
Not really a fuckton though.
I may have missed some. :)
They do have a fuckload, I'll grant you that.
Behold the complete set:
clusterfuck,dry fuck,fist-fucker,flying fuck,fuck,fuckability,fuckable,fuck buddy,fucked,fucked-off,fucked-out,fucked-up,fuckee,fucker,fuckface,fuckfest,fuc‌​khead,fuckhole,fucking,fuckload,fuck-me,fuck-off,fuck-pig,fuck-up,fuckwad,fuckwit‌​ted,fuck you,fuck-you money,go take a flying fuck,mercy fuck,mind-fuck,mindfucker,motherfuck,mother-fucker,muthafucka,not to give a flying fuck,pigfucker,pigfucking,rat fuck,rat-fucker,sport-fucking,starfucker,to fuck around,to fuck over,to fuck with ——
Hard to fit on one line.
45 terms in all.
Not counting repeats.
Or 55 when different parts of speech are considered.
Ok.
HAMMERTIME!
01:10
I wonder why Britain's colonies were so much more successful than the colonies of other countries.
More f words.
Or were, say, Chile and Argentina also very successful for a long time?
Not especially.
Then what is it?
Short question, long answer.
01:12
Of course only some British colonies were so successful.
But still.
Does it have to do with settling in an area with a moderate climate? No.
Does it have to do with settling in an area that was sparsely populated? No.
That is, it may have something to do with those things, but...
Hongkong was also quite successful. Although I'm actually not sure how recent its success is.
It has to do with replacing the original populations, yes, but with an inherited culture of self-governance: democratic institutions.
America, Canada, and Australia displaced or replaced, or simply decimated (recursively) the autochthonous population they found there.
The French, Spanish, and Portuguese colonies did not.
But then why weren't French, Dutch, Swedish, and Danish colonies as successful?
They married them.
English didn’t.
Maybe they have a lot of experience at colonization
Swedish colonies? I was unaware that rutabagas counted.
01:15
The Spanish did replace the original population in southern Southern America.
The English did not in Hongkong.
In places, yes.
In very large areas.
> an inherited culture of self-governance: democratic institutions
Like Chile and Argentina.
There was no culture of self-governance from Spain as there was from England.
01:16
@tchrist Many other European countries had that, as above.
World On Fire: How Exporting Free Market Democracy Breeds Ethnic Hatred and Global Instability is a 2002 book published by Yale Law School professor Amy Chua. It is an academic study into ethnic and sociological divisions in regard to economic and governmental systems in various societies. Summary In the Philippines, Chua explains, the Chinese Filipino is 1% of the population but controls 60% of the economy, with the result being envy and bitterness on the part of the majority against the Chinese minority—in other words, an ethnic conflict. Similarly, in Indonesia the Chinese Indonesia...
And I suspect some German settlements in Africa also had a strong civil society. But then they were just late to the game.
Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies is a 1997 transdisciplinary nonfiction book by Jared Diamond, professor of geography and physiology at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA). In 1998, it won the Pulitzer Prize for general non-fiction and the Aventis Prize for Best Science Book. A documentary based on the book, and produced by the National Geographic Society, was broadcast on PBS in July 2005. The book attempts to explain why Eurasian civilizations (including North Africa) have survived and conquered others, while arguing against the idea that Eurasian hegem...
Meh.
Those aren't historiographical works.
And why does GG&G have a picture of an old cell phone??
Yay pop history
01:20
Britain was the world power at a certain time.
Having taken over from France.
Hong Kong defies "local population needs to be killed first", and also "climate needs to be temperate".
Having taken over earlier from Spain.
I'm not sure France was ever the most prominent colonial power.
Take India as an example
It's probably a combination of favourable and unfavourable factors, as usual...
And luck.
01:22
And power
I.e. vague, small, or very complex causes.
@Cerberus Go ahead and try telling them that.
Complex.
Well, they weren't.
They will not like you.
I don't think either France or Holland was ever the most prominent colonial power in the world.
I think only Spain, England, and China can claim that position, and possibly Portugal.
I don't think we should count Greece or Phoenicia.
01:27
Italy and Japan joined Germany in their quest to conquer the world.
But they did not succeed...
> Der ehemalige DFB-Präsident Theo Zwanziger war voll des Lobes: „Endlich hat ein Fußballer den Mut, seine Homosexualität öffentlich zu machen – zumindest in engem Zeitabstand zu seiner Karriere”, sagte Zwanziger „Zeit online”.
@RegDwigнt Zeit online without a preposition: is that normal?
Remember to colonize you must first conquer
I wouldn't say that.
Give me an example of a peaceful colonization
Peaceful is not the same as "not through a world war".
01:32
Okay any war
If you conquer large parts of the world in a war against other great powers, that's not generally considered colonisation.
Sure, colonisation is partly done by war and conquest.
But not typically by fighting your neighbours in an all-out war near your homeland.
Once conquered the area becomes yours
Your colony
I wouldn't say that.
A colony is typically far from the motherland.
India was a British colony
And usually migration and/or trade are important motives.
Indeed, it was.
01:36
:-)
Population wise that was the largest colonization
I'm not sure it makes sense to cut up colonisation into discrete pieces...
It is a way to start
Divide and conquer
I mean, "India" is not necessarily one "unit of colonisation".
Please elaborate.
6 mins ago, by skullpatrol
Population wise that was the largest colonization
01:44
!!wiki colonization
This assumed a sort of "unit of colonisation".
Colonization (or colonisation) occurs whenever any one or more species populate an area. The term, which is derived from the Latin colere, "to inhabit, cultivate, frequent practice, tend, guard, respect", originally referred to humans. During the 19th century, biogeographers appropriated the term to also describe the activities of birds, bacteria, or plant species. Human colonization is a narrower category than the related concept of colonialism. Colonization refers strictly to migration, for example, to settler colonies, trading posts, and plantations, while colonialism deals with this...
Or an "instance of colonisation".
!!wiki colonialism
Colonialism is the establishment, exploitation, maintenance, acquisition, and expansion of colonies in one territory by people from another territory. It is a set of unequal relationships between the colonial power and the colony and often between the colonists and the indigenous population. The European colonial period was the era from the 16th century to the mid-20th century when several European powers (particularly, but not exclusively, Portugal, Spain, Britain, the Netherlands, Italy and France) established colonies in Asia, Africa, and the Americas. At first the countries follow...
01:54
I think this^ is relevant @cerb
How do you mean?
Good question
As @tchrist said long answer
@cerb I mean this is relevant to your question :-)
How?
And what was my question again...
 
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04:08
oyi your chatbot is being weird.
in Ask Ubuntu General Room, 1 min ago, by KitSox
ZABIVAT' VREMYA!
Is the bot an option for all rooms @kitfox?
@skullpatrol it just joined and posted that
and nobody summoned it so meh
if it's an option in every room I'm certain some rooms will get annoyed, and the CMs might snipe the bot, and the bot needs to be more "jailed"
if it's not, then it's gone rogue
04:42
Ya like terminator @thomasw
!!wiki terminator
i know what Terminator is ;)
I was testing it. Since we were trying to get it to format wiki links
It used to one box them
!!wiki language
04:51
Language is the human capacity for acquiring and using complex systems of communication, and a language is any specific example of such a system. The scientific study of language is called linguistics. Estimates of the number of languages in the world vary between 6,000 and 7,000. However, any precise estimate depends on a partly arbitrary distinction between languages and dialects. Natural languages are spoken or signed, but any language can be encoded into secondary media using auditory, visual, or tactile stimuli, for example, in graphic writing, braille, or whistling. This is becau...
05:03
Why -29F is good for us in Wisconsin and what it means to have a “normal” winter again.
05:35
Ah... the woes of weather.
!!wiki the woes of weather
@skullpatrol No result found
!!define the woes of weather
@skullpatrol My pocket dictionary just isn't good enough for you.
!!wiki weather
05:49
Interesting how the bot formats sometimes
 
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07:10
!!google stackexchange
!!image skull
@skullpatrol That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.
!!help
@skullpatrol General help
 
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09:53
@Cerberus that's perfectly normal, though it depends on the proper name, so for example it would be "sagte dem Spiegel" or "sagte der 'Zeit'". I suppose that's because they are so similar to common nouns, and leaving out the article sounds at least strange, at worst ungrammatical. "Zeit online", on the other hand, with its "online" appendix sounds very much like a proper name, so it becomes natural to leave out the article (though I guess you could still use one). Likewise for "Spiegel online".
"Sagte er Spiegel Online" = "he told it to [proper name]"; "Sagte er dem Spiegel Online" = sounds like "he told it to der Spiegel via the Internet".
@MrHen that is very interesting indeed, because I remember using that query to answer a question on our meta a year ago, and I think at least the top three reasons were precisely the same in precisely the same order.
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A: Closed question that had 7 upvotes

RegDwigнtI have compiled the stats for the 45 most recently closed questions (because that's how far back the "Recently Closed" queue in the 10k tools goes). Specifically, that's questions with the following IDs (ordered by timestamp of closure, from most recent to two days ago): 94472, 94491, 91950, 944...

Here we go.
Yup, the top three are the same. NARQ is now lagging behind because it no longer exists.
> That bears repeating. 37% of our closed questions are closed not because they do not belong. They are closed because they do belong and as a matter of fact have been answered already. Four questions out of ten.
Paging @hippietrail! Please could you reactivate your Toolserver account so the Wiktionary random page in a language thing works? toolserver.org/~hippietrail/randompage.fcgi?langname=Finnish Thanks!
Looking at the all-time totals right now, that's three out of ten, or 29%.
@Hugo I think you'll need a mod-superping for that.
There.
10:08
@RegDwigнt "only the Toolserver account owner may renew their account."
No I mean you need the mod-superping here in chat, otherwise hippietrail will never get your message.
I've now superpung him from your message, but I'm still not sure if it will work if the message author is not a mod.
We'll see.
I see
thanks
Normal users can only ping users that are here in chat right now, or were here very recently.
I'm not sure what the exact thresholds and intricacies are.
 
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11:36
Hi
@MattЭллен
What's the difference between: They need to check this with their team before they can patch the system. They need to check this with their team before they patch the system.
the word can
they're not able to patch the system without checking with their team
and the other one?
@Hugo i'll give it a shot. i actually thought it stopped some time ago. it will stop working when toolserver is stopped because i couldn't get my head around google labs. i wanted to re-write it in node.js but without anybody interested to help out i lost interest a bit too
11:41
And which one is more appropriate and idiomatic?
they're both fine
the other one doens't specify why they need to contact their team
equally fine?
@hippietrail Thanks. It had been working the past few days at least.
I set up an IFTTT action to send me a link to it each day, so I can sort of get a word a day.
@Hugo: no worries. well try to find somebody who wants to help port it to labs with me and i'll get interested again
12:11
Hola
What Would be the word for the following picture? What's your guess?
Guys quick q. Is that correctly phrased "If any problems or additional questions occure I'll sure will let you know"?
I surely will let you know
Haha, it almost spells out "petfood".
12:15
What's the name of the game?
@Eugene "If there are any problems or additional questions, I will surely let you know" sounds better.
Ha! Easy peasy!
@Eugene "I'll let you know if any problems occur or if I have additional questions."
I was thinking of a combination of dog and food
Thank you @JasperLoy, @Hugo
12:18
The game is the android version of draw something

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