English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

Some Guy

6:00 PM

You make robotic things?

That's awesome

Matt Эллен

no. I play with scientific equipment

I'm part of a hackspace, though. people there make robotic things

Some Guy

What's bellicophagery? An inside joke?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@SomeGuy it means conflict eating. As if you are fighting a war with your food.

Whether you'll find it elsewhere in the world, or just here, is unknown, and some would say, unknowable.

Some Guy

Hahaha

I think you guys would appreciate this smbc-comics.com/?id=3200#comic

Ice Girl

6:25 PM

When the women I met at college thought about the joys and privileges of men, they did not carry in their minds the sort of men I had known in my childhood. what does carry in their minds mean?

Some Guy

"Think of"?

Ice Girl

Maybe

Cerberus

Carry in their minds = have in mind =~ think of.

Ice Girl

These fathers rode the train to work or drove cars that cost more than any of my childhood houses. meaning of cost?

Some Guy

!!define cost

KitSox

6:29 PM

@SomeGuy cost Manner; way; means; available course; contrivance.

Some Guy

Context might help

Cerberus

@IceGirl cost more = were worth more money

@KitSox That's an odd definition!

Some Guy

We might have to get a better API for the define command

Ice Girl

They were attended from morning to night by female helpers,wives and nurses and secretaries. They were never laid off, never short of cash at month's end, never lined up for welfare. laid off? lined up? and also from never until end?

Some Guy

Being laid off is to be fired from work

Lined up is to have to stand in a line while you wait for other people to receive a service before you get your chance

Ice Girl

6:35 PM

These fathers made decisions that mattered. They ran the world. meaning ?

Some Guy

Well, they probably had a lot of influential power

Cerberus

@SomeGuy Hmm it appears the command took the topmost homonym, whereas the second one is the most common one.

Ice Girl

never lined up for welfare. I mean meaning whole sentence together

Some Guy

What?

I've never lined up for it either, but I assume other countries have welfare services provided by the government

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@IceGirl "welfare" is when the government gives money to poor people. You might have to wait in line to receive your share.

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6:41 PM

What's the difference between instantiation and exemplification (in logic)?

Cerberus

There are many kinds of (formal) logic...

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Go on.

Cerberus

I don't know.

Some Guy

!!define exemplification

KitSox

@SomeGuy instantiation The fact or act of producing an instance, example, or specific application of a general classification, principle, theory, etc.

@SomeGuy exemplification The act of exemplifying; a showing or illustrating by example.

Cerberus

6:42 PM

We did some predicate logic and some semantic trees and stuff, but those terms never specifically came up.

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This is modal logic, or rather modal metaphysics.

Stalnaker uses both words, whereas it would be unnatural for a logician to use two words for the same thing. So, I assume, there must a difference (perhaps in grammar).

Cerberus

Ah, modal logic.

With that I have no experience.

Ice Girl

never short of cash at month's end?

Cerberus

A term can mean anything in a particular jargon.

@IceGirl Short of = not having enough of.

@Transmissionfrom If you can give us a paragraph, perhaps the way he uses them may become clear.

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Not really quickly, it's from YouTube.

I think I'll make it a question on Philosophy SE.

Cerberus

6:50 PM

@Transmissionfrom If you do, I think you'll need to add more context.

I didn't see either word there btw.

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No, I'll be trusting that somebody is familiar with his work.

You watched 6 or so hours of footage in the last 3 minutes?

Cerberus

On Linguistics, we expect people to provide some context and explanation, and to summarise what they already know or what they have already tried.

@Transmissionfrom No video started playing when I went to the page...

Mitch

@Cerberus I would if I could but I can't so I won't. That's all you need for modal logic.

Cerberus

@Mitch Thanks for helping!!

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It was as a compliment, right?

Ice Girl

6:55 PM

Barbara takes us through the process of preparing dinner at a busy restaurant. takes us?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch sort of.

@IceGirl leads, guides us

Mitch

@Cerberus At your service! I love being helpful. Did you need help picking up those bags...old man.

Cerberus

!

Mitch

@IceGirl Sure, it sounds fine. Might be a tiny bit more natural in the past tense. Barbara took us through the process...

Cerberus

Actually, sure, why don't you carry my luggage, boy.

@Mitch She's trying to understand and translate what someone else wrote.

Mitch

6:57 PM

I take tips in bitcoin.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@IceGirl Many people are paid money at the start of the month, and after all their bills are paid they sometimes don't have enough to buy things they need by the end of the month, before their next paycheque arrives.

Mitch

@Cerberus Oh.

Cerberus

@Mitch How about 0,000000000001 BTC?

Mitch

What, you're actually trying to hold me to context?

Cerberus

When it suits me.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

6:57 PM

@Cerberus Is that fraction allowed?

Mitch

@Cerberus What, you can divide bitcoins?

Cerberus

@Mitch Absolutely.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

> 0.00000001 BTC is the smallest amount that can be handled

Mitch

Then who the eff cares if there's an upper limit on the number of them. Just issue a single bitcoin and then chop up and sell as needed.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Not sure. And it's pretty useless, because the transaction fee will be larger.

Mitch

6:58 PM

Also, !! jinx

Cerberus

Ah, so no.

@Mitch What do you think everybody's doing?

Mitch

the transaction fee is in bitcoins? or in # of goats.

@Cerberus I don't know, screwing around wasting time?

Cerberus

In bitchiness.

Haha, that was my autocorrect for bitcoins.

Mitch

I can't sell back bitches

Cerberus

Why not? Are you not a pimp?

Mitch

7:00 PM

so what's the smallest fraction of a bitcoin used for a transaction cost?

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What happens if you'd buy and then own all the BTC? Wouldn't they be worthless?

Mitch

So the economic model is totally based on nuances of floating point arithmetic?

Matt Эллен

there's a stack for that

Mitch

@Transmissionfrom If people don't have them and still want them they have worth.

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Is a stack related to a haystack?

Matt Эллен

7:02 PM

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A: Is the value of "satoshi" fixed or dynamic?

The system is using integers to represent amounts. 1 satoshi is the smallest unit (integer one). The satoshi is the base unit of the protocol (not the bitcoin). It would be very hard to change this to support more decimals, but it seems also extremely unlikely that the need arises. With 21 milli...

Mitch

@MattЭллен don't distract us with relevancies. We make our own answers up instead of having other people make up stuff for us.

Matt Эллен

I see

Mitch

I do like the unit of currency called 'satoshi'. "Satoshi for your thoughts?" "Satoshi wise, bitcoin foolish" "Satoshi loafers' (those gotta be house slippers).

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch the transaction cost can't be smaller than the smallest fraction of a bitcoin. So if bitcoins rise high enough in value, the transaction cost in bitcoin will start to seriously dampen the demand for paid transacitons.

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 hoarding of bitcoins will result.

Cerberus

7:05 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I expect them to lower the minimum fractions.

Mitch

Millions of 'vaults' in India will be stuffed with wedding bitcoins.

Cerberus

@Mitch There is a fixed transaction cost, it is something like 0,00001 or something, now.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I'm not sure that's possible without issuing a new currency.

Cerberus

The bitcoin network is updated.

Mitch

What if they're weren't any transaction cost. Things would flow a lot smoother.

Cerberus

7:06 PM

As long as the majority accept the update, it happens.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus What you're talking about is a change to the entire protocol

Mitch

Or is that how the internet is run, on bitcoin transaction costs. -Somebody- has to pay the electric company.

Cerberus

@Mitch The transaction cost is negligibly low, so I don't think it matters. It's called a "miner's fee".

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Q: What is the difference between 'instantiate' and 'exemplify', if any?

In this lecture series, Stalnaker uses both verbs 'instantiate' and 'exemplify'. Now, I gather those two verbs have the same meaning. But, I also think that if the two verbs were equivalent, Stalnaker would rather choose one of them and stick to that verb. This leads me to think that perhaps the...

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:07 PM

@Cerberus historically, significant changes to widespread protocols are very difficult to implement. witness IPv6 for example.

Hell, HTTP/1.1 is still not fully supported everywhere.

Cerberus

Bitcoin is regularly updated, I believe. The foundation is currently working on changes.

@Mitch It's back at € 750 btw.

Over $ 1000.

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I've learned that BTC is not a mathematically uniquely 'perfect' protocol. It is mathematically imperfect and so are many others. So, it must rely on convention. If there is a point where convention is broken, it must be when it becomes apparent that someone owns all BTC.

Ice Girl

She juggles meat,potatoes, and a seemingly endless stream of sauce and other delectables in a two-hour race with the dinner bell. juggles?

Some Guy

Manages

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus at which exchange?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:14 PM

@Cerberus Bitcoin is regularly updated, but the network is currently tiny. What happens if the network forks?

Cerberus

@Transmissionfrom I'm not sure I understand what "perfect" means...

Ice Girl

Sure?

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Mount Gox.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@IceGirl It's a metaphor. Imagine a juggler, throwing balls in the air all over the place, and catching them all. Now imagine someone working frantically in a kitchen, only instead of balls it's meat, potatoes, etc.

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@Cerberus Satisfying all "nice" properties.

Cerberus

7:15 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Then you have Bitcoin and some other coin.

@Transmissionfrom Do we?

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Wouldn't we?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus yeah, only they'd both be bitcoin. bitcoin A and bitcoin B. Heck, they've already had problems with upgrades.

It will be a serious problem to upgrade bitcoin software throughout the world if bitcoins catch on.

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Is it possible to borrow BTC?

Cerberus

@Transmissionfrom We can be nice if we really try our best.

Ice Girl

seemingly endless stream of?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

7:17 PM

@IceGirl which word don't you understand?

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't know, if it is not a problem now, it may not become one with a hundred million more people.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus lol.

Cerberus

@Transmissionfrom Sure, why not?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It IS a problem already.

Cerberus

Not a huge one.

Ice Girl

7:18 PM

stream of means=continuous series?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Yes but also bitcoin represents approximately 0% of the world's economy.

Cerberus

@IceGirl Yes, it can be.

Market cap went up from 1 billion to 10 billion in six months...

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus I see

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@IceGirl yes. It's figurative. Like a stream of water, you could have a stream of potatoes or a stream of books, etc

Cerberus

A stream of insults.

A stream of bitcoins.

Matt Эллен

7:19 PM

A stream of streams

A stream of hopeless platitudes

Cerberus

So the question in the title is about criteria, while the question in the body is about choosing between those and these. Adding into the mix that there are other problems with the sentence (preposition choice and treating the same word as both singular and plural at the same time), this amounts to proofreading, which is plain off-topic here. Please clarify what your actual question is, what alternatives you are considering, which of them you think are wrong, and why. — RegDwigнt 30 mins ago

@RegDwigнt I have to agree.

Oh my, I am really starting on the wrong foot. I meant to ask if the determiner should be those or these and if it was singular or plural. My apologies once more. I am on a strict deadline. — Jennifer MacDonald 7 mins ago

This I find hilarious.

"I'm on a strict deadline. So can everybody on the Internet please drop whatever they're doing?"

I know she didn't mean it like that. But it's still funny.

Matt Эллен

> Great, now you owe me for that vase

Ice Girl

Can you paraphrase whole sentence from she until bell?

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@Cerberus Shouldn't that be 'plainly' in stead of 'plain'?

Cerberus

@Transmissionfrom I would say it's informal, plain.

Colloquial.

Ice Girl

7:23 PM

in a two-hour race?

Cerberus

So not incorrect in that context.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@IceGirl she had two hours to complete the task before the deadline, i.e. before the dinner bell is rung (to call people to dinner).

Cerberus

@Transmissionfrom google.com/…

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@Cerberus Yes, people were a bit strange in 1999-2000. Millennium bug.

Matt Эллен

@IceGirl she prepared the meal vigorously until the last minute

Ice Girl

7:27 PM

rung=step or spoke?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@IceGirl no, to make a bell sound. to ring.

Robusto

Why are modal dialogs so unmusical?

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@Robusto What? You mean Stalnaker's monologues?

Some Guy

I think he means the UI modal dialogs

Cerberus

@Transmissionfrom Haha, is that like Mad Cow disease?

Robusto

7:30 PM

@Transmissionfrom I practically never mean that.

Cerberus

Rob does not mean, he demeans.

And we applaud him, of course.

Robusto

@Cerberus I do not light, I delight.

2

Cerberus

If you say so.

Ice Girl

I work is a hectic two-hour job. hectic=very busy

Robusto

@Cerberus I do. And I just did. And, for the record, I do not serve, I deserve.

Cerberus

7:35 PM

If only you observed my directions better.

Ice Girl

Preparing food for the saute line at the restaurant where I work is a hectic two-hour job.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto I give up. why?

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Because they are unrelated to music. Duh.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto I was hoping for something nerdier. I tried reading wikipedia about musical modes but my music theory is long faded and came up empty.

Cerberus

Are they? Then what do you call a dialogue about modulating your voice?

(I only know modulate is a music word, but I don't know what it actually does.)

Ice Girl

7:38 PM

Cerberus? help me

Cerberus

Hang your hair from the tower window and I will climb up!

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 There's a joke in there somewhere, but I'm unable to find it. I was just lamenting that things that promise something modal ought to be about music.

Cerberus

What is your question?

Ice Girl

I wrote my sentence and question

Cerberus

I see no question.

Ice Girl

7:41 PM

hectic=very busy. But it seems strange for me

Cerberus

Yes, that is what it means.

A very busy job.

Ice Girl

slow-cooking oven and fast oven?

Cerberus

I don't know, those must be two kinds of oven?

Ice Girl

Maybe I don't know

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Dutch oven.

Ice Girl

7:55 PM

prime rib?

Cerberus

A cut of meat.

A kind of meat.

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Ice Girl

watched very closely?

they both have to be watched very closely.

Cerberus

If I watch you very closely, I pay a lot of attention to what you are doing, I look at you intently.

@Transmissionfrom Nice.

Ice Girl

Yes. nice

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8:08 PM

Yes. Nice.

Yummie.

Ice Girl

With my work area set up?

Matt Эллен

how to spot a help vampire

!!wiki passive agressive

KitSox

@MattЭллен No definition found.

Passive-aggressive behavior

Passive-aggressive behavior is the indirect expression of hostility, such as through procrastination, hostile jokes, stubbornness, resentment, sullenness, or deliberate or repeated failure to accomplish requested tasks for which one is (often explicitly) responsible. For research purposes, the DSM-IV describes passive-aggressive personality disorder as a "pervasive pattern of negativistic attitudes and passive resistance to demands for adequate performance in social and occupational situations". Concept in different areas In psychology In psychology, passive-aggressive behavior is char...

Cerberus

> They’re not evil creatures, Help Vampires. They act only on their blind instinct to feed, driven by base urges like most living things.

Haha.

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8:27 PM

@Cerberus In plato.stanford.edu/entries/properties there are 54 uses of 'instantiate' and 55 uses of 'exemplify'. In this case they certainly seem equivalent in meaning. Is there a grammatical difference that I am missing?

Robusto

Instantiate there simply means to form an example of a concept.

Plato believed in pure (ideal) forms, of which real things were instances or examples.

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@Robusto And exemplify means there... ?

Robusto

Same thing.

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lol

Robusto

Form an example of.

See, Plato was an object-oriented philosopher. He believed in pure superclasses, from which ordinary instances were derived.

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8:30 PM

@Robusto Given the distribution of the terms in the entry, I am not sure.

Robusto

> Not all philosophers acknowledge properties in their ontological inventory and even those who agree that properties exist often disagree about which properties there are. This means that it is difficult to find wholly uncontroversial examples of properties.

Cerberus

An example is an instance of something used in order to explain, show, or edify. An instance need not be used as an example, though.

Robusto

You're on your own when it comes to interpreting what philosophers mean by a word.

Much of philosophy is simply a quest to define those terms.

Cerberus

It depends.

Robusto

Me, I think that is mainly a boring game to play.

Some Guy

8:32 PM

But what really is defining something?

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@Robusto Yes, but I suspect that when Stalnaker speaks, he is putting logical formulas into words. Why would he use different words for the same logical concept?

Robusto

@SomeGuy Your guess is as good as mine. Or theirs.

@Transmissionfrom Ask him.

1 hour ago, by Robusto

@Transmissionfrom I practically never mean that.

See? I was right.

The answer lay before you, right out in the open.

Cerberus

> 7.2 Self-instantiation and Typed Properties

In May of 1901 Russell discovered his famous paradox. If every predicative expression determines or corresponds to a property, then the expressions ‘is a property that does not instantiate itself’ should do so. This raises the question: does this property instantiate itself? Suppose that it does. Then it is a property that does not instantiate itself; so if it does instantiate itself, it doesn't instantiate itself. Now suppose that it does not instantiate itself. Then it is one of those properties that do not instantiate themselves; so it does …

This is pretty clear?

Exemplifying is an action a person takes in order to help another person understand something.

Robusto

One of the reading-comprehension problems on my GRE involved a lot of similar ontological hairsplitting, and I am sure I got that one wrong. I wound up guessing, even though the text was there in front of me. I could make no sense of it, and worse, I didn't even care to try.

> A fundamental question about properties—second only in importance to the question whether there are any—is whether they are universals or particulars.

Cerberus

Instantiating is the agentless action of being one out of many x's, usually being a specific form based on a general concept or rule.

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8:37 PM

@Robusto Or try to care?

Robusto

Why not answer the important question first?

@Transmissionfrom I said what I meant. Not everything can be inverted, or converted, or contraverted.

@Cerberus Funny, but I don't feel any more enlightened by that.

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@Cerberus But Stalnaker's modal metaphysics doesn't have agents, as far as I am aware.

Cerberus

So you can use an instance of x as an example of x. There are several instances of "human being" in this room. But they need not be examples. Only when I take, say, the human being Robusto and use him to explain something to someone, does he become an example.

@Transmissionfrom You can interpret "agent" broadly.

As in the SEP quotation.

The way a property is formulated can exemplify something. It "acts" in that it describes.

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So, it is a grammar thing after all?

Cerberus

Whereas an instance of something doesn't really do anything necessarily: it just is.

@Transmissionfrom Not really grammar, but not logic either.

Robusto

8:43 PM

@Cerberus Who says I'm a human being? That hasn't been established yet.

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@Robusto Judge for yourself.

Cerberus

That is my assumption based on your human weaknesses.

Robusto

They could be divine weaknesses. You don't know.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Animal weaknesses

Cerberus

@Robusto Such is not my impression.

Robusto

8:44 PM

Prove that I am human.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto prove that you're not.

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So Robusto exemplifies humanity, but doesn't necessarily instantiate it?

Cerberus

The other way around.

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lol

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I gave the first challenge, so the onus is on you and yours.

Cerberus

8:46 PM

> Dit schandaal is een geval van handel met voorkennis, v. dit schandaal is een voorbeeld van handel met voorkennis.

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Yes, yours.

Cerberus

You feel the difference?

I thought maybe it would be easier in Dutch.

Robusto

Yes. That really cleared it up for me. Thank you.

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I always thought that 'voorbeeld' implicitly meant 'goede voorbeeld'.

Cerberus

It can mean that, but it need not.

@Robusto Yay!

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8:48 PM

So, we are clear. Anything else?

Cerberus

When I use voorbeeld, I'm talking in the realm of explaining things and how a certain thing functions as part of my explanation of something to another person.

When I use geval, I am not talking about explaining things. It is on a different level.

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@Cerberus I think your 'dialogue' structure of argument is not applicable here.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto Given that there are no known non-humans who can type as well as you do, the balance of the probabilities is that you are human. Therefore the onus is on you to prove you're not.

Cerberus

@Transmissionfrom Other uses of voorbeeld are derived from that.

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@Cerberus Yes? Like voorbeeldig?

Cerberus

8:50 PM

The other person can be "the reader", and the explainer can be "the text".

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Don't get postmodernist now.

Cerberus

That's not specifically postmodernist.

It's just how language works.

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It exemplifies it.

Cerberus

Conceptual and other metaphors are all around us.

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They exist?

Cerberus

8:52 PM

As such, yes, sure.

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Are you still stuck in the linguistic turn?

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Who says I'm typing?

Cerberus

The turn is a very wide curve, it's hard to get stuck there.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto s/type/chat/ if you want.

Cerberus

The essence of post-modernism is being critical of the assumptions of modernism, I would say. It's reactionary (in the broad sense).

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8:54 PM

@Cerberus So, you're just being obnoxious?

Cerberus

Not sure about the post-structuralist and deconstructivist crap.

@Transmissionfrom No, I was not specifically involving post-modernism.

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So, perhaps, instantiates refers to an unnamed/unspecified individual, whereas exemplifies refers to a named/specified individual?

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You have never met me. I could be a complicated piece of software.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto The probability of that is pretty low, you'd have to admit. Thus the claim that you're non-human requires more proof than my claim that you are.

Cerberus

@Transmissionfrom I wouldn't say that. It makes more sense to name something if you use it as an example, but "Robusto" is still an instance of whatever evil tribe he belongs to even if you do not make an example out of him...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

9:01 PM

sigh :

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Or, perhaps, instantiates refers to a merely possible individual, whereas exemplifies refers to an actual individual?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Transmissionfrom no, every example must be an instance.

Cerberus

I stick with my own explanation.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes.

Without a specific context, there is little more we can say about these words.

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@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But not vice versa?

Cerberus

But not vice versa.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

9:02 PM

@Transmissionfrom right.

Every chicken is a bird, but not every bird is a chicken.

Cerberus

OK you probably mean that in the very general sense.

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Yes, totally different.

Cerberus

"Every x is an y, but not every y is an x."

A Venn diagram where one circle is included in a larger circle.

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You are defining the probabilities without offering evidence.

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So, perhaps, instantiates refers to a possible individual, whereas exemplifies refers to an actual individual?

Cerberus

9:05 PM

So anyway, within formal logic, I would not expect there to be any significant difference.

@Transmissionfrom I would say no.

If you could point us to the actual times in the video where your hero uses these words...

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@Cerberus I couldn't. But big thanks anyway for the discussion. I'm off.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto I cite as evidence the total lack of scientific publications on chatbots that could chat as well as you do. If someone had made such a bot, the likelihood that they would not have published a famous paper, or made a famous demonstration is very small.

Cerberus

All right.

Bye!

> Flach and Lavrac [40] pointed out the diÆerence between an example and an instance . They explain that an instance is composed of an established collection of attributes: A i where i 2f 1 ;:::;n g . Every attribute can be a real number (continuous) or a Ønite set of values (discrete). On the other hand, an example e j is a vector of attributes which is tagged with a class label e j =( v 1 ;j ;:::;v n;j ;c j ) where each v i;j is a value for the attribute A i and c j 2 f c 1 ;:::;c k g is the label of a class from the set of valid classes.

Robusto

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Perhaps they seek not fame nor wealth. They toil in silence, egoless, like a bot.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto It's possible, but given prior behaviour of people like that, I consider that unlikely.

Robusto

9:14 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I refute it thus.

Cerberus

@Transmissionfrom So this is the only example I could find of a text that explicitly distinguishes between instance and example. cs.bham.ac.uk/~wbl/biblio/cache/…

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto One example doesn't change the probability much.

@Cerberus or the only instance?

Robusto

One example we know of. If there is a single example, it indicates that there could be more.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto I didn't say the probability was zero. I said low. It's safe to assume that if there's a super-ai chatbot out there, I'd have heard of it.

Until I have evidence to the contrary, of course.

which you've not provided.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Or that.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

9:20 PM

well, i'm off to see the wizard.

follows the yellow brick road

Robusto

Just as well. I tire of this face. I meant the original statement as a joke, but you took me literally.

Cerberus

Bai.

Cerberus

9:37 PM

@Robusto @tchrist Hey, I have an example of where America seems clearly ahead with a superior law, the Volcker Rule.

Robusto

@Cerberus Qua?

Cerberus

Banks that accept money on savings or checking accounts for private individuals are no longer allowed to speculate. At all.

If my source is correct.

Robusto

I heard something about that. If true, great.

Cerberus

The Devil may be in the details, but still.

If only the City were to adopt a similar law...

Robusto

But I would be surprised if there weren't a few loopholes.

Still, "Every good thing that happens in your life is a gift. "

Cerberus

9:40 PM

There may be...however, Glass-Seagall also worked fairly well; that is, things started to go wrong as that law was weakened in the 80s.

Robusto

And abandoned under Clinton.

Cerberus

Right.

Excessive liberalism in the economic sphere.

Economic? Economical?

I think economic is better.

Robusto

@Cerberus It is.

Economical means something else. Something thrifty.

Cerberus

I think you can still use it to mean the same thing as economic, but it is more commonly used to mean "frugal".

> ec·o·nom·i·cal
[ek-uh-nom-i-kuhl, ee-kuh-] Show IPA
adjective
1.avoiding waste or extravagance; thrifty: an economical meal; an economical use of interior space.
2.economic.

Robusto

@Cerberus The point is, people have to think about it to get to meaning 2. They don't if you just use economic in the first place.

Cerberus

9:45 PM

It's interesting how sense 1. for economy exists in French and in English, but not in Dutch, not really.

Yes.

Robusto

I've seen your prices. I'm not surprised at all, you capitalistas, you.

Cerberus

Heh, what?

Yes, the Dutch are known to be big spenders. They will always pay for someone else's meal.

Robusto

Amsterdam. Expensive.

Cerberus

Oh.

Less expensive than many other capitals!

In fact, groceries are the same price in the "entire" country, and the country is supposedly among the cheapest in Europe.

Robusto

BTW, speaking of Paul Volcker, I remember people wanting to fire him as Fed chairman because they didn't like the idea of a 21% prime rate. But I guess it got inflation under control.

Anyway, we're going to a party. See yaz later.

Cerberus

9:50 PM

Have fun!

(Unless it's boring...)

I didn't know you had an inflation problem, by the way.

Stack Exchange

10:50 PM

Limerick Machine: Who listens to ants, though?

posted on December 10, 2013 by sgdi

I once met a pedigree ant Who said “If you think that you can’t “You most certainly won’t “And then when you don’t “Your whole life you’ll want to recant”

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