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Johan Larsson

18:00

in C# on Stack Overflow Chat, 11 mins ago, by Reed Copsey

Blog - Stack Exchange: Five years ago, Stack Overflow launched. Then, a miracle occurred.

Jay Hanlon on September 16, 2013

Stack Overflow officially launched on September 15, 2008. In five short years, you’ve answered over 5 million questions on more than 100 sites, and helped hundreds of millions of people find the answers they needed. Today, we want to celebrate how, together, we changed one small corner of the Internet for the better.

We want to hear your stories about how someone on Stack Exchange helped you.

Before it went into beta, stackoverflow.com had a comic on the landing page that came to symbolize what we were setting out to do: …

Johan Larsson

18:12

@RegDwighт :)

RegDwighт

18:49

@KitFox interesting. So the music is every bit as atrocious as the video, after all.

KitFox

What did I say?

I believe I said that you would not like it.

And I believe you gave me some "defy classification" smoke to blow up my ass.

RegDwighт

Nonono. I'm not expressing my opinion. I'm expressing a fact.

KitFox

gives @Reg a look

user87637

Hiya @kit!

RegDwighт

No amount of looks will change the fact that they took a nice though mediocre chord progression and a nice though cheezy melody and then completely botched it in editing.

KitFox

18:53

@JasperLoy Hiya.

@RegDwighт sighs

user87637

In other news, I have deleted my okcupid account, lol. I am the master of deletion!

RegDwighт

Why sigh? Give me a violin and a mixing table, and I will do better. How does better justify sighing? Isn't better, like, better?

KitFox

I said you wouldn't like it.

RegDwighт

And I said I never said I didn't like it.

user87637

I am confused by so many said.

RegDwighт

18:55

But I must be off to watch BB with wife.

So lators!

KitFox

OK, you go make better. I am sure I will like it better. But I am already overly impressed with you. You aren't going to impress me more. It's just not possible.

Bai!

Don't tell me what happens.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I started watching BB. I am halfway through the first season.

RegDwighт

@KitFox we've been over that honey. You only can't get impressed more with me until I come along and make you.

KitFox

I can't not.

user87637

No flirting in this chat!

KitFox

18:57

So.

RegDwighт

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 hoozah! Booyah! Represent!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@RegDwighт so far it hasn't lived up to the hype.

RegDwighт

@JasperLoy I'm not flirting with you, in case you're not noticing.

KitFox

titters

user87637

@RegDwighт I was talking to myself, in case you forgot.

RegDwighт

18:58

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 depends on the hype. I didn't have your hype. I had mine. It exceeded my expectations. I started with season four, though. Which admittedly is crazy much better than season one.

I won't be defending it, though. You have to have your own journey.

vanishes

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Well, everyone I know who's seen this show is all "best tv show ever! Are you watching Breaking Bad? No? You should be! Have you watched it yet?" etc.

So far, I rate the first season of BB below the first season of Dexter, or any season of the Sopranos.

Which isn't saying I'm not enjoying it: I am. But I'm not exactly blown away.

KitFox

I wouldn't say I was blown away by it, but I do think it is very good.

Matt Эллен

As Grace Helbig said "Breaking Bad! You guys! ... Breaking Bad! You guys! ... Breaking! Bad! You guys! ... I haven't seen it."

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

The Wire was great televison.

As was Homicide.

KitFox

I. Am. So. Screwed.

headdesk

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

19:10

Noooo, wai?

Johan Larsson

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I agree, the Wire > BB

KitFox

I sort of lost my mind last week. And today.

I...

Uh.

Matt Эллен

You...

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Mine turned to goo last week, but has re-solidified.

KitFox

made a lot of changes

Matt Эллен

19:11

but you commited things to source control before?

KitFox

blushes

on production

Matt Эллен

oh dear

KitFox

without actually really uh

testing them first.

Matt Эллен

hmmm. sounds like you list your mond

KitFox

I did. I really did. There's pressure. And I don't want to do this anymore. And so I just did it.

Matt Эллен

19:13

We all do it.

KitFox

Oh why am I so dumb?

How the hell am I going to know if this works at all? I can't test it in production.

Matt Эллен

You haven't caused missed trades because you rushed a change. It'll be fine

KitFox

OK, OK. shakes it off

I can do this.

@MattЭллен That sounds like an interesting story.

Matt Эллен

that's pretty much it

KitFox

So. So. So...I will...lock the site and copy it onto the test server.

And test it. And re-release it.

Matt Эллен

19:15

I was fixing the fax trading system at my old job, tested it, but not enough and when it went live it crashed and trades did not go through

money was lost

KitFox

Oh shit, that sucks.

Matt Эллен

I'm not sure how much

they ended up phoning the trades through

so I don't think too much

KitFox

So, there was a backup plan.

That's good. I should have one of those.

Matt Эллен

yeah.

I didn't have one :D

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Mine is to get punched in the stomach.

Oh, wait.

Matt Эллен

19:18

apart from stress the fuck out

KitFox

It's alright. I can do this. I can do this.

I'm pretty sure I can do this.

Matt Эллен

yeah, you can do it

KitFox

I have two days before anyone gets up in my grill.

Since I told them I would unlock it on Wednesday, probably.

I only got partway through the dev cycle this time. I had tons more to do, it turns out, so last week I told my boss I was going to drop back and punt, because I was already four weeks past deadline.

I thought I could release this year with no issue and then try to do incremental changes in the next couple of months. But then I realized I had to add some things before i could open the site.

I ended up doing some things out of order and the next thing I know I'm well into it and can't remember where I started from.

Stupid stupid stupid.

Johan Larsson

no version control at all?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

hugs

KitFox

19:27

Version control is like birth control. Its effectiveness depends on how well you use it.

11

Matt Эллен

yeah, don't try to pull mercurial over your head and inflate it

Johan Larsson

or shove git up your vagina

Matt Эллен

lol

KitFox

hee hee hee

Johan Larsson

yours was better

KitFox

19:30

I don't know why I do this to myself.

Some kind of desire to suicide my work.

Johan Larsson

@KitFox when was the last commit?

KitFox

3 days ago. Before that, 7 months ago.

Johan Larsson

ouch

are you the only person working on the codebase?

KitFox

Yes. And it's not a good indicator really, since I only update the production site every something months.

Johan Larsson

what did you commit three days ago?

KitFox

19:37

Some of the miscellaneous changes I made in June.

I've just now copied the production site back to testing. Now to copy the DB...

Johan Larsson

what version control system?

are there backups on the production machine?

KitFox

TortoiseHg. There are backups.

Sort of.

The data is backed up. The site is kind of backed up.

When I remember to do it.

Johan Larsson

what does the locking unlocking of production mean?

KitFox

I prevent users from logging in.

We shut down the login in the summer.

So that we can confirm the user status and associations in the fall, before we let them start entering data.

It's student data, so we go according to the school year.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

How is GR considered off-topic?

KitFox

19:48

And it's confidential, so we have to check periodically.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I guess because it's something we don't want asked here.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@KitFox k

Johan Larsson

@KitFox is diffing vs that useful?

KitFox

I don't know what you mean.

Johan Larsson

See what is changed in your workspace relative to what was comitted

KitFox

I still don't follow you. I'm sorry. You mean, is it helpful for me to know what I changed? Because, yes.

OK, I copied the DB and de-identified the students. So I'm about halfway there.

Johan Larsson

19:58

I never used Mercurial but there must be a way to do a diff comparing your uncomitted stuff to the last commit. @MattЭллен probably knows how.

KitFox

I might be able to pull this off after all. Provided my coding doesn't actually suck.

@JohanLarsson Yes, I can do that. It's not hard.

I could roll back, but then I will forget everything I just did.

So I am going to find a way to test it instead. If it's all screwed up, then I'll restore it.

Michael Dunfield

KitFox

Huh. What was I doing again? Oh yes, going home.

"Screw you, Gramma. I will deal with this in the AM."

Michael Dunfield

=]

Matt Эллен

20:34

@KitFox you could clone at a specific revision

Cerberus

21:27

Blog - Stack Exchange: Five years ago, Stack Overflow launched. Then, a miracle occurred.

Jay Hanlon on September 16, 2013

Stack Overflow officially launched on September 15, 2008. In five short years, you’ve answered over 5 million questions on more than 100 sites, and helped hundreds of millions of people find the answers they needed. Today, we want to celebrate how, together, we changed one small corner of the Internet for the better.

We want to hear your stories about how someone on Stack Exchange helped you.

Before it went into beta, stackoverflow.com had a comic on the landing page that came to symbolize what we were setting out to do: …

@robusto > It turns out that people will do anything for fake internet points.

Johan Larsson

22:27

in bin on Stack Overflow Chat, 4 mins ago, by Xeo

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@Cerberus ^

Cerberus

Haha!

MετάEd

23:00

Dear FBI: ftfy.

Johan Larsson

what does it mean?

MετάEd

ftfy = "Fixed that for ya".

Johan Larsson

that was the only thing I understood :D

MετάEd

The FBI posted an image of a suspect which has substantial distortion, 'stretch'.

Why make it harder to identify someone by posting a distorted photograph.

Theta30

@MετάEd maybe it was an error

MετάEd

23:08

@Theta30 It was unquestionably an error.

Johan Larsson

@MετάEd I remember reading about something similar when a Swedish newspaper posted a pixelated image with headline: Do you recognize this person

Will not be able to find it I think

Robusto

23:26

@Cerberus If it was a miracle, it was a miracle of a disappointingly low order. On the level of card tricks, maybe.

KitFox

23:36

omg, this phone is awesome.

Mitch

23:53

@Robusto I love card tricks! Here, pick a card, any card.

Nope, not that one, smart aleck.

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