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10:29
The short 'most popular' caption for the above article: Bangladesh woman cuts off penis.
 
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11:32
@ThirdIdiot: serially downvoting answers to your question because they point out a flaw in your question is bad manners
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Q: That which comes before the "sequel"

Third IdiotThe word "sequel" comes from the the Latin word sequela which means "that which follows" This Latin word is formed of two parts, "sequi" which is "to follow", and a suffix to make it a noun,"-ela". If "sequel" means a following work which continues the narrative of the main work, what is a work ...

(just in case you did it in multiple places, this is the one I'm referring to)
Plus, @Fx you're right. Prequel is the term. I'm highly tempted to post my answer :D
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@Alenanno: it's a common trait on EL&U, and I think it should become a meme.
meme?
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someone will say “I want a name to describe a tree that bears acorns as fruits, and typically has lobed deciduous leaves, but I don't want to use oak because [some random reason]”
and then when everyone points out that there is not real alternative, that the word oak really perfectly describes what they want, they will make a fuss about it, and how “I've already said ten times that I don't want *oak*”
A meme () is an idea, behavior or style that spreads from person to person within a culture. While genes transmit biological information, memes are said to transmit ideas and belief information. The term meme was coined by Richard Dawkins in his book, The Selfish Gene. A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols or practices, which can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals or other imitable phenomena. Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate and respond to select...
Oh
thanks
your explanation was great.
F'x
F'x
11:42
@Alenanno: anyway, I don't know if it's you or someone else, but thanks to the person who upvoted my answer; it hurts to write a long answer like that (and have to go check a Latin dictionary, for God's sake!) and have it downvoted… it's stupid, but it hurts
@Fx Oh, oh! May I, may I? I propose to call it "Ceci n'est pas une pipe", or CNEPUP for short.
@Fx I didn't upvote, but I just did now :D
@Fx I just posted my answer, please read it and tell me if you agree with me :D
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@Alenanno I do; I'm not sure things happen with such rationales, but it's a nice try :)
Well I'm not sure whether one person suddenly woke up in the morning and said "From now on let's use -gate as a suffix!"
:D
But my point
was that
@Fx Dude, it's Quercus robur!
11:46
like Reg said, words sometimes form out of nowhere
And that guy looks more and more similar to The Preacher (or maybe that creobot folk is essentially the same person multiplied)
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@Vitaly I thought about changing my example halfway, because of that, but I decided that it would make someone feel better by pointing its flaw :)
@Fx haha
Well, guys, I'm off to lunch, catch y'all later
yo.
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see you
I'm off to, bye!
11:49
Me too, bye.
12:19
@Fx I'm sorry if I have offended you. Are there any improvements I could make?
i.e., certain things not to write.
 
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@ThirdIdiot Not posting general reference questions,? But @F'x answered it and someone voted it up, I guess they didn't read the FAQ either and everyone with cow powers is sleeping.
@ThirdIdiot: Your comments on this response:
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A: Single word for a person who completes a job from a group of responsibles?

RobustoYou might try finisher, which suggests "[bringing] a task or activity to an end" [Noad].

feel a great deal like trolling. It feels like you are trying to bait me.
 
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14:38
i really want to commit to "Planned Languages", but all of my commits are used up. grrr!
if i could only finish up by Board & Card Games commit, then i'd have one free
but i have nothing to ask there at the moment
and even less to answer
I feel your pain.
Apr 22 at 18:40, by RegDwight
@Fx Haha, no way, I am also committed to Board and Card Games who won't let me commit to Linguistics.
@JSBangs — Too bad men can't tell their wives/girlfriends that "all of their commits are used up."
Jez
Jez
...
it's women who don't want to commit.
@Robusto lulz
My GLU commitment should be released any moment now. I will then give Linguistics a boost.
14:44
I committed to Linguistics, like, a hundred years ago. Just to be nice, mind you. Fat lot of good it did me.
@Jez — Speaking as a woman? Or observing from the other side?
@Robusto what, linguistics isn't putting out often enough?
Not nearly. And linguistics is SO high maintenance. And not as hot in a bikini as it thinks it is.
Jez
Jez
@Robusto other side
@Robusto It's always hot in a fur bikini.
I would give linguistics a commit if I knew what / had questions to ask there
14:56
You do realize Linguistics will be a Q&A site, rather than just a Q site?
Me hasn't any linguistics schooling
@RegDwight — Have you seen linguistics in a fur bikini? My sense of decorum prevents me from linking a picture of that.
@JSBangs Hm. That's not what I'm seeing.
speaking about lingusitics, I have recently learned that they used merkins more than 3 centuries ago, and the word it at least as old as 1617
15:10
Those are TOTALLY not Linguistics. Those are pictures of Linguistics' sexier cousins, English and Rhetoric.
@Vitaly — Yeah, like anybody needed one of those in the days before waxing.
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@Vitaly yeah, it's a little-known fact that Washington unwittingly coined the USA's name when he visited a strip club and, during a particularly hot woman's pole dance, was overheard as saying, "I want to be a merkin."
@Jez — Lazy thwack.
@Robusto where can I read about the history of waxing?
@Vitaly In this chat, of course!
@RegDwight hahaha
15:15
@Vitaly — You can stare at the moon. It will be waxing for the next couple of weeks.
Totally hot.
I can even temporarily change the room description.
And by "temporarily" I mean "just for the split second needed to forget to ever change it back".
@Robusto No sorry, I'd rather not stare at a waxing guy; not my thing
In Norse mythology, Máni (Old Norse/Icelandic "moon") is the moon personified. Máni, personified, is attested in the Poetic Edda, compiled in the 13th century from earlier traditional sources, and the Prose Edda, written in the 13th century by Snorri Sturluson. Both sources state that he is the brother of the personified sun, Sól, and the son of Mundilfari, while the Prose Edda adds that he is followed by the children Hjúki and Bil through the heavens. As a proper noun, Máni appears throughout Old Norse literature. Scholarly theories have been proposed about Máni's potential connection to ...
@Vitaly — The moon is female. I thought everyone knew that.
> Both sources state that he is the brother of the personified sun, Sól,
How dare you contradict the Poetic Edda, the Prose Edda, and, just by the way, Otto Jespersen and Visser?
In Greek mythology, Selene (Greek Σελήνη 'moon'; Doric Σελάνα; Aeolic Σελάννα) was an archaic lunar deity and the daughter of the Titans Hyperion and Theia. In Roman mythology, the moon goddess is called Luna, Latin for "moon". Like most moon deities, Selene plays a fairly large role in her pantheon, which preceded the Olympic pantheon. However, Selene, a Titan, was eventually largely supplanted by Artemis, an Olympian; the Romans similarly deemed Luna predecessor to Diana. In the collection known as the Homeric hymns, there is a Hymn to Selene (xxxii), paired with the hymn to Helios. ...
@Vitaly — Jespersen and Visser were misogynists. I thought everyone knew that.
15:20
it's the ELU room, not the GrLU room right now.
do you see a calendar nearby?
it says Monday
not Selenday
The Mon is short for Mons, as in mons veneris.
Uh, my calendar says Tuesday.
Haha
Hey, English gets a lot of words from Latin. Why do we refer to things pertaining to the moon as lunar? Huh? Cuz they're chicks, that's why.
@Vitaly Certainly you mean ἙλΛΥ rather than GrLU.
@Martha D'oh, everyone knows the Russian calendar differs by 13 days.
15:30
@RegDwight It's still Tuesday, just Tuesday 18th of May.
Uh, maybe?
Last I checked, a week had seven days, not 6½.
Yeah, a Gregorian week.
K gals, gotta go. TTYL.
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Q: Source for using article vs. not using article

Anderson SilvaI am sure a similar question has been asked many times over, however I couldn't find the exact answer. Would you please provide a source or summarize when using an article is appropriate and when it's not, such plural/singular, landmarks, street names, etc. Most of the time it's a guessing ga...

Like the asker, I'm sure this question has been asked already, and (I'm vaguely recalling) closed for some reason or other. Am I imagining things?
15:51
Another question by the same author:
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Q: Would someone recommend an ultimate guide on how to use articles (a, an the or none at all)

Anderson SilvaEven though I've been living in US and using English for over a decade, I still feel somewhat uncomfortable with articles, sometimes missing them altogether. In my native language, articles simply do NOT exist. Please suggest how you've overcome this problem. I would especially appreciate the ...

hello, could anyone tell me what is the words? when saying a female singer a Queen.
I knew the word should not be Queen, but another word
@didxga Hi Didxga, can you give a bit more detail??? Do you mean like 'diva' or something?
yes, that's diva
thank you
15:55
okay
I just heard the word but don't know how to spell
what's the male version of diva?
Jez
Jez
Justin Bieber
hehe
Calls himself 'RegDwight' on here though for some odd reason.
is it King for top male singer
?
Jez
Jez
15:57
no
I don't think there is a commonly used word tbh.
Jez
Jez
'star', but that's gender-neutral
A diva (, ) is a celebrated female singer. The term is used to describe a woman of outstanding talent in the world of opera, and, by extension, in theatre, cinema and popular music. The meaning of diva is closely related to that of "prima donna". The word entered the English language in the late 19th century. It is derived from the Italian noun diva, a female deity. The plural of the word in English is "divas"; in Italian, dive . The basic sense of the term is "goddess", the feminine of the Latin word divus (Italian divo), a male deity. The word is thus distantly related to the Hindu term...
what's the word for male
It says divo there but that sounds really strange in English.
15:57
thanks for the Wiki article
I heard "divo" in many interview
Are you sure? I've never heard it but then I'm not so into opera.
Jez
Jez
i've not heard 'divo'
from this video
this cute girl say she would like to be a diva
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Jez
eugh
that show represents everything that's bad about Britain
ummm. dunno
16:17
divo is pretty rare, to nonexistent
this pretty much confirms my suspicion that Chomsky is Wrong About Everything
@JSBangs Oh come on, all linguists are wrong beyond repair. Humans speak different languages because they tried to build the Tower of Babel. Everyone knows that.
16:33
@JSBangs Huh? It just invites me to read a whole bunch of other things.
...if I'm interested in them of course.
well, for the full chomsky-stomping you have to click through to here: norvig.com/chomsky.html
hello everyone!
Dammit, SE has just about ruined me as far as participation in other discussion forums. I keep looking for upvote buttons and comment links.
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@JSBangs OK that will require some proper effort to read... but I am interested
Hello Alenanno
Hey @z7sg
16:41
@Martha Word!..
@Martha Me too... I even catch myself wondering why I haven't had an upvote.
Glad I'm not alone, I guess. :)
Well, SE is far more interesting than usual forums, isn't it? :D
... now I'm daydreaming about converting oscar.sca.org into SE format ... of course, it's not a Q&A site, and the concept of 'best answer' simply doesn't apply... meh.
i third @Martha's frustration
of course i don't participate in many other sites, so it's not so bad
16:45
"I third"?
@Alenanno It's already been seconded, so he's thirding it. :)
Kind of like "me three".
wait, didn't I second it?
As in "I'm the third person to agree with you"?
altho i was actually fourth... i miscounted
then z7sg thirded it
and JSBangs should of fourthed it or something
16:47
@Vitaly jinx
meta-jinx
:D ooh dear 'should of'
Wasn't there a question on the EL&U about should've = should of VERSUS should have?
what should of he said?
16:52
Yo.
@JSBangs Do people actually say that?
Hey @Cerberus
@Cerberus are you asking about "thirded" or "should of" ?
I can imagine "should of"'s becoming a verb of its own...
@JSB: Sorry, I edited-in my reply thingie a bit late.
the problem is solely one of spelling, and arises from the fact that should've and should of sound exactly the same
16:53
Yes, but you used it differently.
But that was probably purely for fun.
hmmm
What should of he said?
What should have he said?
What should he have said?
Like that.
the third one is the standard
but the first one sounds fine to me in speech
Yes.
curious
16:55
Ah!
@JSBangs Although, if someone is talking to me and I hear "I should've told you", I wouldn't never think he said "should of" even if they sound the same... I mean, logically thinking...
It still sounds weird to me, but it wouldn't surprise me if this new use were already yeasting somewhere in the depths of American slang!
Jez
Jez
the first one might sound find in speech because 'should of' sounds identical to should've
"find"
Nice riposte!
16:56
@Jez right, and I'm relatively okay with What should've I said?
@Vit: Cute! I like those icons on us.
Jez
Jez
@JSBangs sounds very dodgy to me.
WRT of/have, there's no actual confusion between the lexical item of and have here. it's just a matter of people being uncertain how to spell [əv]
Often spelled "shoulda".
i'm only okay with putting have before the subject when it's contracted
16:59
How is confusion between lexical items defined?
What should've I said = ok to me
What should have I said = no
Jez
Jez
is English your mother tongue?
Why not?
Aren't they the same thing?
@JSBangs Well, it is rare to find the full "have" pronounced in very informal constructions where it can be contracted...
but i agree with @Jez that it's marginal, probably related to incipient suffixization of -'ve
Jez
Jez
17:00
there's no getting around it. "what should I have said"
you can't just move the 'have' forward
@JSBangs There is no meaning differences between them?
@Gigili no
I am at the stage "would never use it myself and still consider it slang, but wouldn't be terribly surprised to hear someone say it".
I'm sure I say "What should I've said", but written = no
Really?
17:03
@Jez but the basis of the reanalysis isn't moving the have forward, but rather leaving the 've where it is
@JSBangs Means I've said something and I'm asking what else I could say?
I think I say "what shoo-di-yev-said".
@Gigili yes
That's what I was trying to write, looks weird tho right?
"Di" being /dai/.
z7: who are you talking to?
17:04
I've got satiation, can't tell anymore. you @Cerb
Haha OK. Yeah I get it now — I think I have SS too.
@z7sg I actually say it more like "What should I of said", but I'd never dream of writing it that way.
Yeah, I think "we", z7 and I, say it like that too.
this conversation is a perfect illustration of the fact that grammaticality is not in fact binary. here we have multiple native speakers with different intuitions, and several of whom have expressed less than 100% confidence in their own judgements
(The point being that "I've" = /aiv/, but "I of" = /ai uv/.)
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17:08
If someone said "what should've I said", I'd assume they were not a native speaker.
Thank God! People being "sure" of their own pronunciation/usage...
Jez
Jez
It sounds so majorly wrong.
@Jez ha! and i just assume that everyone here is a pineapple
@Martha That's exactly what I meant, but z7 seemed to agree with my pronunciation, which is the same as yours, so I think that's what he meant too...
Ok, so we're all agreed. Next subject?
17:09
Boring!
Yes there is clearly a /əv/ sound. But wait! I still don't know how to write it in direct speech!
I have to go home though
that's my cue
@z7sg just write [əv]. everyone understands that!
Aww.
Perhaps 'ave?
17:11
@Martha i have one of those at home (in the boy model) so i'm relatively immune
So you all agree that “should of” is OK, or words to that affect.
OK in what context?
@Vitaly in writing, "should of" is always an error
in speech "should of" is okay only insofar as of and the contraction 've are pronounced identically
Well I am not saying nothing. Just trying to clarify.
:1066885 Awww is that yours? This is going to be a tough battle!
*ain't not saying n'n.
17:19
@Cerberus did you see it? it wasn't showing up for me, so i deleted it
(Someone should write a manual on how to provoke the ELU room in ten words or less.)
@JSB: The first time it gave an error; second time it worked!
@Vitaly "Hey, you said 'the car whose wheels broke off', so you used 'whose' inanimate, ended with a preposition, and used a passive! Wrongg!"
Oh that's more than 10. But it will work.
@JSBangs Pictures or it didn't happen.
@Martha i'm trying, i'm trying
17:37
The merciless battle is continuing...
Oh, my, look at those blue eyes!
Unfortunately, I need to go now. TTYL!
See you
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Jez
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Q: Omitting "to be"

W_PI have a friend who says specific phrases differently than I do. Instead of saying something like The dishes need to be done he will say The dishes need done He seems to use this form for every sentence that I would say as "[subject] need to be [verb]" (i.e., "The car needs washed", ...

Hamlet: "or not"
What's more cute than the human young?
This:
Jez
Jez
kittens
hmm, doesnt seem that cute
17:43
@Jez Racist! Wait… Specist?
I still think kittens win.
Jez
Jez
babies that look like bearded old men
no thanks
@Jez lol
In any case, an adult chimp is more intelligent than a human kid.
Chimps win.
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Jez
user image
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17:45
Awwwww!
awesome
Now you have won Vit over as well.
OK, that's better.
Jinx.
@Vitaly i think that a human 3-year old is smarter than a chimp
Find me an article about a 3-year-old human kid on Wikipedia that uses the {{person}} template.
Kanzi (born October 28, 1980), also known by the lexigram , is a male bonobo who has been featured in several studies on great ape language. According to Sue Savage-Rumbaugh, a primatologist who has studied the bonobo throughout her life, Kanzi has exhibited advanced linguistic aptitude. Biography Born to Lorel and Bosandjo at Yerkes field station at Emory University and moved to the Language Research Center at Georgia State University, Kanzi was stolen and adopted shortly after birth by a more dominant female, Matata. As an infant, Kanzi accompanied Matata to sessions where she was tau...
17:47
(and my saying that is not just an opinion, it's an actual measure of competence)
the most advanced signing apes have roughly the linguistic ability of a 2-3 year old
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Jez
aren't bonobos closer cousins to humans than chimps?
Bonobos are chimps.
Pan troglodytes and Pan paniscus
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Jez
Yeah, different species.
might as well say that humans are neandertals
Chimpanzee, sometimes colloquially chimp, is the common name for the two extant species of ape in the genus Pan. The Congo River forms the boundary between the native habitat of the two species: *Common Chimpanzee, Pan troglodytes (West and Central Africa) *Bonobo, Pan paniscus (forests of the Democratic Republic of the Congo) Chimpanzees are members of the Hominidae family, along with gorillas, humans, and orangutans. Chimpanzees split from human evolution about 6 million years ago and the two chimpanzee species are the closest living relatives to humans, all being members of the Hom...
Oh, and for what it's worth, I consider Homo neanderthalensis or Homo sapiens neanderthalensis as human as Homo sapiens or Homo sapiens sapiens, even if it goes against the accepted classification (which is not the case with the two species of chimpanzee).
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17:53
the vast majority of people would find 'human' and 'homo sapiens' to be synonymous
The majority of people are religious. Your point? ;)
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Jez
well, it's just defined to mean that
so you're ignoring the common definition
Actually not.
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Jez
any individual of the genus Homo, especially a member of the species Homo sapiens.
I used the word “human” as an adjective, which has a wider range of meanings than the noun “human”, if you can compare those.
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Jez
17:55
i'd say that 'especially' has become 'necessarily'
AHD: “Having or showing those positive aspects of nature and character regarded as distinguishing humans from other animals”
The Neandertals did show those aspects that distinguish Homo sapiens sapiens from other animals.
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Jez
AHD?
American Heritage Dictionary
I can quote other dictionaries as well, it's just that the AHD was the first on the list.
Jez
Jez
that's a mediocre dictionary
Okay.
OED: “Belonging or relative to humans, relating to or characteristic of activities, relationships, etc., which are observable in mankind, as distinguished from (a) the lower animals; (b) machinery or the mechanical element; (c) mere objects or events”
Oxford English Dictionary, in case you are wondering.
Jez
Jez
17:58
that doesn't really seem to allow for species outside homo sapiens
so unique is that species
Upright posture, (primitive) art, toolmaking, etc are characteristic of mankind and the Neandertals but not of lower animals.
this is a stupid argument
Jez
Jez
you could say that about chimps
Oh, I think for chimps they should be given basic human rights, but that's irrelevant.
and BTW upright posture and primitive art are also characteristic of human toddlers, but not of chimps
Jez
Jez
18:00
they're not humans
A few centuries ago slaves weren't thought of as humans.
And that notion of human uniqueness with respect to intelligence and whatever basically goes back to Abrahamic religions.
Jez
Jez
damn, can we extend ELU to allow joke answers?
I so want to say, "or not. that is the question."
@JSBangs Feminism? pfft.
are you going to discuss bra burning techniques?
@RegDwight really chose the most appropriate title for this room lol
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Q: Omitting "to be"

W_PI have a friend who says specific phrases differently than I do. Instead of saying something like The dishes need to be done he will say The dishes need done He seems to use this form for every sentence that I would say as "[subject] need to be [verb]" (i.e., "The car needs washed", ...

Possible dupe of
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Q: Central Pennsylvanian English speakers: what are the limitations on the "needs washed" construction?

KosmonautIn the Central Pennsylvania dialect of English (and possibly elsewhere), the following construction is possible: This car needs washed. (=needs to be washed) The room needs cleaned. (=needs to be cleaned) It appears that, if a verb like needs is followed by a passive construction in...

???
It's related but it doesn't look like a dupe to me...
18:09
I think it really covers the same territory.
But that's why we go over this stuff.
It does, but the latest question is pre, the Kosmo one is de
the first one basically asks "does it exists? is it right or wrong?", the second one is already aware of its existence and asks "can this expression be used with any verb?"
Hmm ... maybe.
But... did you casually find it or you knew that there was a strongly related question?
Let's hear others' opinions as well, though.
I've known about @Kosmonaut's question since I started at this site. It was kind of my introduction to our esteemed moderator.
18:15
déjà vu
*déjà
oops, typo.
@Vitaly — I think in French it's a typeau.
Sans doute!
ok, I can't find that quote of Robusto's where he states the same thing (about his introduction to Kosmonaut)
does it even exist @RegDwight?
18:21
@Jez i'm at best a very unorthodox feminist. but i figured someone needed to put it out there
i expect it'll be a long time before it gets anywhere, b/c the core SE audience (so far) overlaps rather little with the feminist audience
i don't know if I'll actually commit to it when the time comes
> But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.
@Vitaly — @RegDwight has it in one of the tabs he never closes.
Howdy folks.
We are not folks. We are Turing machines in varying stages of completeness.
@Vitaly not going to bite. especially not with you
18:25
You're Turing Partials? Intriguing.
Some of us. It's up to you to determine which are partial and which are complete.
@JSBangs With me? Surely not. With Yahweh would be about right. Everyone knows the Bible is inspired by Yahweh himself, no less.
@Robusto Now, that's just making me work for my privilege. Booo.
8 mins ago, by JSBangs
@Jez i'm at best a very unorthodox feminist. but i figured someone needed to put it out there
@MrDisappointment — Gotta earn those privileges in The Incomprehensible Room.
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Q: Is it good etiquette to use "Thank you" in an email signature?

P.Brian.MackeyYou are never actually thanking anyone. This is just computer generated boilerplate. In a business context, does this come off as inappropriate, rude or is this good etiquette?

Get yer votes out.
18:35
It's Off Topic to me, voted
Afk for meeting.
I'm going offline instead, see y'all!
:)
also voted OT
18:49
Just a quick note about this one:
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Q: Source for using article vs. not using article

Anderson SilvaI am sure a similar question has been asked many times over, however I couldn't find the exact answer. Would you please provide a source or summarize when using an article is appropriate and when it's not, such plural/singular, landmarks, street names, etc. Most of the time it's a guessing ga...

F'x
F'x
@RegDwight so, what's your quick note? don't keep us waiting
> I am categorically disappointed with the treatment of my question. I've been member on this site longer than most of you and unequivocally deserve an unprecedented treatment, whereby my questions get answered with utmost clarity. My name has been mentioned in major posts (here is an example meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/20675/…) and publications on this site. Previously I went under alias Sasha.
I am fairly certain that a) the OP has asked a very similar question before and b) he never used the alias Sasha (vehomzzz is more like it). But I have no time to investigate, gotta go again.
NOOO. He's off to that German stuff again.
i'd say that @Cerb's answer was sufficient, and the OP seems to have accepted it as well
3 hours ago, by Vitaly
Another question by the same author:
18:57
@JSBangs Yeah I did my best on that. Social interaction really is a fine game.
BTW, only @Cerberus would say "fora" instead of "forums".
Thanks!
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