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11:06
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Q: "Bite me" meaning and usage

VeeKayI often come across this phrase "Bite me" in many TV shows. What does it mean and is there a specific context in which this phrase can be used? Thanks! Veekay

Is this dude talking to himself?
Good question. Post it on Skeptics.
11:57
Non sum ego.
@Gigili — CGEL is a lotion that keeps linguists from getting exposure to too much sun.
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I am not at all convinced that Third Idiot is not a troll.
@Billare +1
His questions are seriously lowering my morale.
Only the questions ?
No, not just the questions.
But especially the questions.
12:05
There was a funny one tonight about the pronunciation of the German "Schmidt".
@Billare — Word.
His answer now deleted was that Schmidt was not a German word at all. He apparently looked it up in dic.... and forgot to also look it up in the white pages.
@AlainPannetier — Yeah, WTF?
Haha. Just read that one. ROFLMAO.
I was too stupefied to even comment on that question.
12:07
lol
But I wonder why you would put so much dedication to earn numeric rep whilst at the same one ruining your effective rep.
Sometimes in life you encounter things that are so stupid that they simply leave you speechless.
Why would you think that ego is short for something?
I mean, this strains all the bounds of plausibility.
Difference between "remember" and "remember this" is also a classic.
Ha! I didn't realize that was 3I when I replied.
Are we looking at the new vgv8?
@Billare, don't worry this kind of effort is unsustainable in the long run. Let's carry on working on high signal/noise ratio Q&A.
12:13
Hmm, the main sites are going down.
Good, got munchies. I'll have a snack. TTYL.
Later.
@Alain LOL, Alain. Ciao.
12:17
in German Language and Usage, 2 mins ago, by Tim
Currently I get errors on all question pages, though.
Can't click on any question.
Works for me, BTW.
That's cuz you use vacuum tubes instead of semiconductors. The EMP doesn't take those out.
This is the silent revolution I've been waiting for. Hoi polloi not allowed!
Only diamond users.
in German Language and Usage, 24 secs ago, by balpha
the sites where just deployed, that causes a few seconds of downtime
There. Balpha is in ur internets fixing stuffs.
Why is it taking so long for the three commits to start launch?
Do you know
12:19
Seems to be working again.
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Q: Single word for a person who completes a job from a group of responsibles?

crodjerI have a job, for which some people are responsible, say: a, b, c, d and e. If anyone does the job, it is marked as complete. Now let us say c completed the job, so what would I call that person in one word (think completor - not a word). It is basically for a database schema for a table of tas...

Japanese SE isn't off the ground, or Philosophy, or Astronomy
Programming question? Asks for what to name a database table.
Yeah, wtf with Japanese? I've been waiting for that one for like six months.
while German Usage and Language has been in private beta for 6 days, and was only 1-2 days ahead of them.
@Robusto Sure, but there is a more general question in there: what is the agent noun from complete?
Which is to say, vote or edit as you will shall be the whole of the law.
12:21
@Robusto it is not a programming table, I have just mentioned it so that someone could think in that direction
Well, how about this for an answer?
I won't take a pee for an answer.
Wow. They can convert from Betamax to Bluray now?
Zoom in, enhance.
It makes me laugh to see stuff like Gone With the Wind in Blu-Ray. I mean, what's the point?
12:24
27Gigs of soundtrack?
I'm waiting for them to come out with Citizen Kane 3D.
I thought that 35 mm film was really high quality and they generally downgraded to go to DVD/VHS before Blueraay.
4D, dude. 4D.
3D is so 2011.
@Billare — 35mm is not high quality. 70mm matted letterbox is what they went to.
When?
12:26
But even that only gets you so far. Especially with old negatives, a LOT of work has to be done to digitize them properly.
If only Christopher Nolan wasn't going around destroying IMAX cameras...
This is why we can't have nice things.
Where is that from, originally?
"...why we can't have nice things"
@Billare — I think it was introduced in 1953, with Cinemascope. Movies felt they had to compete with that new-fangled TV, so they went upscale.
Complete with an Ngram or what have you.
> While the origins of the phrase itself predates history of the Internet, the image macros began gaining momentum on 4chan sometime in 2008.
Well, "This is why we can't have nice things" predates 4chan by at least several decades. It is the lament of the parent whose children rupture the membranes (and destroy the furniture) of their environment.
12:28
Yeah, I read it predates the '90s too.
Ugh, I have a really terrible headache, I have to take my leave of you folks.
Gute Besserung!
Sei Gesund.
How likely is it that 3I is ThePreacher?
I don't know that one.
@Robusto: what do you call it in English when a supermarket clerk/cashier has scanned the wrong item and wants to cancel it? Cancellation? Correction?
12:40
I think the term is "void the transaction".
Interesting.
If it's a single item you could "void the item" as well.
"Void and invalidate are often used interchangeably as they both mean to make null or worthless (: void a legal document by tearing it up; invalidate a check by putting the wrong date on it)." NOAD
I think invalidate would work there as well, come to think of it.
Never heard of him.
Jez
Jez
13:09
durrrnit
getting the last few followers for a proposal is like getting blood out of a stone
13:30
Check 3I's comment here:
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A: Single word for a person who completes a job from a group of responsibles?

RobustoYou might try finisher, which suggests "[bringing] a task or activity to an end" [Noad].

@AlainPannetier I saw that particular answer from 3rdI. He had already made it clear he didn't know any German. He didn't know what "unglaublich" meant? I was thinking the same as @Billare about trollish behavior.
@Robusto Where? Please cite link to that comment, because dictionary does not give any links.
It's right underneath my response.
@Vitaly — hahaha.
@Robusto I guess NOED isn't a source. Maybe you needed to link it. @Vitaly lol
The funny thing is, my dictionary does give an entry for finisher but no entry for the one 3I proposed.
Jez
Jez
13:36
@SpareOom german?
@Robusto vielleicht ist das NOAD Wörterbuch keine Quelle !
@Jez What about it?
For what it's worth, OALD and CALD define it as “a person or animal that finishes a race, etc,” but no additional definitions.
Jez
Jez
@SpareOom this is english language isnt it?
My first thought of finisher has to do with furniture.
13:37
@AlainPannetier Ja, und Schmidt ist auch kein deutsches Wort.
@Jez I was referring to 3rdI's answer to the question that was closed eventually as off-topic.
Now he's telling me Merriam-Webster is the one true source.
@RegDwight: Can you look at that comment chain? I think this guy is being deliberately obtuse and argumentative.
I have just finished laughing.
Was fur ein Idiot haben wir hier?
Den dritten.
13:43
lol
@Robusto Für mich kann er schon aus dritten bis ersten nachgerüstet werden.
@RegDwight does 3rd participate in German L&U?
Well, on the plus side, I've been telling him to cite his sources, so it's nice to see him enforce the policy.)))
Not sure.
@AlainPannetier — Genau.
Calm down guys, accomplisher is just a synonym for finisher, according to the OED: “One who accomplishes; who carries out, completes, perfects; a finisher or perfecter. 1611 Cotgr., Parfaiseur, a perfecter, accomplisher, finisher. ”
13:44
I've seen Boob though. Under a different name.
But can you cite your source?
Parfaiseur. ZOMG.
Haha.
@Vitaly — OED != Merriam-Webster. So I think you just made that stuff up.
Ditto.
13:48
Guys, guys. I can't help but notice that none of you have consulted the Urban Dictionary and fed its results to NGrams. You are so off the mark, jeez. I mean, like, do you promise to improve or should I just ban you?
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@Robusto, @Vitaly. I've got this as well in my e-version of the OED:
One who accomplishes; who carries out, completes, perfects; a finisher or perfecter.
That's the one that comes with 20 volume hardback.
2 mins ago, by Robusto
@Vitaly — OED != Merriam-Webster. So I think you just made that stuff up.
Merriam-Webster = just drop that crap and use jQuery.
He just asked me what arbiter means, so I linked him to Merriam-Webster's definition.
Hahahaha.
13:51
Арбитражный суд!
@RegDwight — You realize you don't have to change your name to see boobs, right?
Du bist so lustig.
This is making my head hurt.
14:16
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Q: What is the correct MLA format for outlines?

SeanI know it starts with I. A. 1. a. i. what goes here. What are level 6, 7, 8, 9, etc?

Keep? Kill? I see two close votes.
No idea myself.
Voted to close.
14:59
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Q: Should I use "vue de l'esprit" in english?

Klaim(I'm French-native-speaker) I'm not sure in wich cases if the french expression "vue de l'esprit" should be used or not. Are there any general cases/rules? For example I have a blog post title that I'm thinking in french as "Vue de l'esprit : [a game name]" because the post is about some drawin...

Is this OT?
Oh dear.
15:19
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Q: What makes "like" and "so" popular?

Third IdiotSo, I was like, why does everyone say like and so in every sentence? Where did this trend come from, like, what started it, and is it actually grammatically correct to like, insert like into our speech in just about any position in a sentence? Reward for anyone who can tell me the cause of its...

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Q: Is Valley Girl speak like entering the language?

Chris Noe So like, I had this teacher? And he's like, "You're late?" And I'm like, "There's like other people late too?" I've always cringed at the word "like" strewn about in a spoken sentence. Well now I've seen it in print, right in the middle of an otherwise articulate National Geographic articl...

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Q: Why do like loads of girls my age like saying "like" so much, like?

Greg Possible Duplicate: Is Valley Girl speak like entering the language? Please can you explain the origins of where the annoying over-use of the word "like" came from? Does this have anything to do with Facebook? Example: Logan is so, like, stupid when he says, like, anything! He'...

Now that the bounty has expired, I am considering a merge.
15:32
But now I gotta go. CUlaterz.
@RegDwight: Bye.
 
1 hour later…
16:52
@RegDwight - Ayup. Coach/coche/etc. all come from the Hungarian "kocsi", which in turn is formed from the placename Kocs + the locative particle -i. Originally, "kocsi" was used as an adjective -- kocsi szekér = wagon from Kocs.
17:06
@Martha and @RegDwight which reminds me of the etymology of bus and omnibus (the wikipedia etymology is I believe the correct one (etymonline has another one)). It is also a place name in the city of Nantes.
17:19
@Reg: We are under attack!
@Reg: We are now under attack from two factions!
I can't hold them off... unggg...
17:39
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Q: Is this sentence correct? - How much water do you take a bath with?

Maria Teresa CardosoI corrected the student, saying that he should write "How much water do you use to take a bath?" because his sentenced seemed unnatural to me. Do you consider it correct? Would you use it?

Is this sentence correct - How many girls do you take a bath with?
17:51
And from an answer there… “The sentence in your title is incorrect, because it ends with a preposition.” >:O
@Vit: Are you all right? Need some water?
No, thanks. I see tha asker herself commented on that.
@Cer: so what do you think of the I think stuff?
But… who the hell upvoted the “can't end a sentence with a preposition” answer? Prescriptivist alert!!!
(That was your nonsequitur for today, in case you couldn't tell.)
17:59
@Vitaly It was not I!
@Martha: Thank you.
@Vitaly Interesting categories. I think is apparently very versatile. I had a few questions about that list:
What are these corpora, and who assessed the *I think*s in them: the same person for both?
Jez
Jez
woohoo
commit phase
/me breaks out the champagne
And those categories, several of them seemed a bit vague and overlapping with other categories.
@Jez: what!? Not Linguistics?
Jez
Jez
nope
FLU
Fuck Life Up?
French?
Jez
Jez
yep
18:05
Both?
Ahhh... congratulations!
Jez
Jez
:-) thanks
Thanks...
> The article investigates the high-frequency collocations I think and I don’t know as markers of stance-taking by native and non-native speakers of English in L1 and English as lingua franca (ELF) interaction.
What do they mean is included in L1? Conversations between a native and a non-native speaker?
@Reg: Welcome! We are under siege from two sides!
@Cerberus I'm working on it. We won't be able to win all matches, but if we focus on just one team we will lose only one.
Yeah... which one shall we choose?
Loguidice Squad.
368:157.
The Noobs Tyrants are a lost cause (924:301), and the BloodRavers are not worth wasting stamina on (300:0).
18:21
Oh, yes, the Squad seems the obvious choice. Last time I checked it had zero, I think; but now it must be the target of our full force!
18:43
What do you do when a question is apparently asked by someone who has an agenda (peeving, I suppose)?
19:00
@Vitaly Well, peeving is considered off-topic.
> But please, don’t ask any questions about these topics. They are out of scope for this site. [...]
> * Peeving about grammar disguised as a question
@Vitaly Is there a particular question in question? You could downvote it, and/or flag it.
yeah but that's not peeving about grammar… or else I would know to flag it
in any case, the asker seems to have an agenda, as indicated by his comments and what not
I think that's just providing context for his question. I don't see any problem with it, though I suppose the context could be toned down a bit.
I think it's a rather borderline question in itself, even without the comments. I don't know if it would be suitable for Physics.SE though.
> What is actually being renewed?
Does that part quoted above seem like it's about English usage?
19:16
Well, if you think about it, the phrase "renewable energy" does sound like the energy itself is renewed, which doesn't make much sense.
But his comments are definitely ... problematic.
Well one of the answers quotes a definition from a dictionary, if the OP disagrees with a dictionary definition (which is based on how people actually use the phrase “renewable energy”) in this case, then English usage isn't likely the meat of his question
This looks like a case of asking a question to which the asker already knows the answer, which is not forbidden per se, but it needs to be phrased so that it's still useful to the site. The increasingly-political comments are making it less and less useful to the site.
@Reg
Ugh.
@Jez: lemme dig up an old comment of mine.
> The sentence "your dog is yellow" means just that, "your dog is yellow". Even if your dog is in fact lilac; even if it's actually my dog; even if none of us owns any animals to begin with — that doesn't change the meaning of the sentence. At all. Likewise, "everything is constantly changing" means "everything is constantly changing". Whether or not you agree with that statement is out of scope of this site. But you can always commit to the Philosophy proposal.
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Same about "renewable".
We can only tell you what the word actually means, not whether it has a right to mean that.
Jez
Jez
19:35
hmm
well i did debate whether to post it, but i considered it a terminology question
In addition one could ask, who is going to be renew that energy?
But you English should be glad; the Dutch word is infinitely more infelicitous: duurzaam, which means durable.
Jez
Jez
that's better, i think
it should imply that it will last, but not be renewed
Only solid substances can be duurzaam...
Jez
Jez
in fact, 'durable energy' sounds like a much better term to me :-)
Oh no.... what have I done!
Jez
Jez
19:42
you want something that means either 'long-term', or 'doesnt pollute in a way we dont like'
so 'durable' or 'green' energy seem ok, but 'renewable' has always bugged me
i renew my car insurance. it is completely refreshed, and starts again.
solar energy doesn't. i use different solar energy today to the energy i used yesterday
I agree.
And -able implies for me that someone is going to renew it...
Jez
Jez
or something
I suppose durable is not so bad in English; but Dutch duurzaam is bad.
Besides, I don't find it appropriate to use a political term if you want to describe a source of energy in a neutral way. We don't call fossil fuels "useful energy" either.
Jez
Jez
19:46
if only the Greenies had sat in front of a thesaurus for 10 seconds before naming the energy. mind you, they'd have to have a rudimentary understanding of science first, and these are the people lobbying for an end to nuclear power worldwide whilst simultaneously lobbying for a transition to electric cars.
Well, some of them have technical knowledge; just not their marketing departments or their political campaign teams.
Jez
Jez
their marketing departments are creating their policies then?
If you want a positive word to describe solal, wind, and water power, why not focus on concrete things that are positive about them, instead of a vague word; what about "non-polluting"?
Jez
Jez
well, that's a bit of a mouthful. i'm OK with 'green energy'.
The marketing departments make the slogans and hence the words. Or some similar group of people, a "think tank" perhaps.
Green I find too vague.
Jez
Jez
19:49
i just wish they'd stick to that and not say renewable. i think they like renewable because they can exclude nuclear. honestly, their opposition to nuclear has become a ludicrous holy war for them. when i see those people marching in Germany, i am sad.
they're capable of much greater intelligence.
Exclude solar?
Don't they call solar renewable?
Jez
Jez
fixed :-)
Ah.
OK.
Jez
Jez
i just hope our energy policy isn't too influenced by Germany's.
Well, if it is the fact that solar, wind, and water do not require substances we have a limited amount of, they have something of a point. The protests do seem a bit rash, though.
Jez
Jez
19:51
maybe it's good for some countries to go down the nuclear route, and some the non-nuclear. in 30 years we'll see which is better. my suspicion is it will be the nuclear route and Germany will have had a rethink.
Oh, what's your country?
Jez
Jez
UK
Ah.
Well I am all for nuclear energy, that is, building new reactors; some of the old ones had better be replaced, though.
Jez
Jez
yeah, that's the thing. they come out time and time again with the non-sequitur: $OLD_PLANT is unsafe, so don't build any plants ever!
Yeah.
Jez
Jez
19:53
there was a cucumber scare in Germany recently. i guess they'd better ban all cucumbers
I just think most people do not care about the big picture; they want to fuel their own emotions and express them.
Jez
Jez
i mean, they did cause some damage one time!!!
Hehe. They might!
Besides, the cucumbers did much more damage than the Fukushima incident, if there was any damage at all there.
Jez
Jez
hard to say. Fukushima is a financial disaster.
but clearly it shouldn't have been running in 2011.
'it' being an old nuclear plant; not a nuclear plant.
Well... they just shouldn't have put the generators in the basement.
Jez
Jez
19:55
heh, the whole thing was riddled with WTF design decisions
Besides, the protesters do not care about financial effects.
Jez
Jez
they might care when they can't brew their coffee, turn on their TV, or refuel their car.
electricity may become rationed.
i'm talking beyond my level of knowledge now, though. :-)
Indeed.
Then again, that probably won't happen:
Jez
Jez
it just seems fundamentally stupid to cast away a very useful source of non-CO2-emitting power at the time you need it the most. baby, bathwater.
The third world will feel the pain of no-nuclear-energy, because we'll always be able to afford whatever energy there's left.
Jez
Jez
19:58
i don't know about that.
if all of Europe goes down the German route, there won't be enough electricity generation.
of course that's very unlikely to happen
in France, sanity still prevails (just) over nuclear.
Consider the rising food and oil prices of the past few years. I didn't notice a thing; in the third world, wars have broken out, revolutions, starvation.
Jez
Jez
haven't things been like that in the third world for ages?
paradoxically, more starvation probably means the third world is doing better, because there are more babies around to starve.
Yes, but the still moderate rises of the past few years have led to very specific conflicts.
Just as America feels the rising oil prices much stronger: Europe is ahead both with taxes and efficiency; in America, everybody needs fuel, and the price rise was significant, because it was very inexpensive compared to here; in Europe, prices rose by perhaps 15%? That hardly keeps us lying awake at night...
Living in the third world, I absorbed so much information in such a short period about where I live in.
g2g. Bye, folks.
Jez
Jez
20:04
well Europe is often wiser than the US. in the case of nuclear, however, i think it's being foolish.
at least, the heart of Europe (Germany) is.
if you ask Merkel, she'll openly tell you that it's about political point scoring.
ridiculous
but she's put in that position by the clueless Greens
Will she openly say that?
The Dutch government is continuing its plan to build two new reactors.
The first new ones since the seventies, I think.
Jez
Jez
that's another hilarious argument
the Greens lobby against new nuclear, and then say: "see! there isn't even enough nuclear power to meet the demands!"
Haha that is fun.
I just think hardly anyone is as rational as in other situations when discussing politics, present company excluded.
I want data, long-term effects, an estimate of cumulative costs, for each possible decision.
Jez
Jez
that stuff is pretty complex.
The huge problem with nuclear power is what to do with the waste. We do not currently have any safe way of disposing of it. I.e. it's not that we have limited safe places/ways to dispose of it; we have absolutely no safe place to put it. We just have less-unsafe-than-that-other-idea places.
20:15
True.
That is a valid argument; but it bugs me that some people will just stop at that and refuse to consider any other arguments for or against. Other energy sources have considerable disadvantages as well.
Jez
Jez
possible solution
Yeah, but CO2 emissions aren't as downright scary as radiation.
It is probably this huge fear that stops people's ordinary thinking processes...
Jez
Jez
it's funny, i feel very unthreatened by radiation. from nuclear plants, at least.
Do those people know that they are being bombarded by radiation every day?
Jez
Jez
20:19
you get the feeling a lot of people are living in constant fear of contamination
it's an unhealthy phobia
In the most respected newspaper of my country, which is liberal, I read an article about cancer around Chernobyl. It turns out that even there the cancer rate wasn't totally out of bounds: it was higher than elsewhere, but it was not so impressive compared to the natural 1:3 chance of getting cancer that everyone already has. The workers who actually went into the compound are excluded, of course.
Jez
Jez
it feels like a facile reduction, but i can't help but get the feeling every time that the large majority of anti-nuclear campaigners are acting from ignorance.
i'd really like a few government information campaigns about nuclear, on TV, through people's letterboxes. correcting the stuff that Greenpeace puts out.
if they don't do it, people will gradually think it's true, which has happened in Germany.
I'm not sure that would help...
Jez
Jez
the government do information campaigns about all sorts of things
but not nuclear
i'd say that debate could do with an injection of truth
They do; but when it's controversial, they usually don't, at least not here, and I doubt whether it would work.
Jez
Jez
20:27
why wouldn't it work? the Greens' anti-nuclear propganda works
why not counter it with pro-nuclear propaganda
why do religious people ignore what atheists say? because their belief system implicitly and explicitly states that atheists do it so that they end up in hell.
the anti-nuclear propaganda already includes the belief that the government profits from it etc, etc, etc.
@Jez We've had 60 years of pro-nuclear propaganda, thank you.
it would only strengthen the reli… greens' beliefs
Yeah something like that. But I suppose Jez has a point that moderates are mostly hearing only the Greenpeace stuff.
Jez
Jez
@RegDwight well i was born 28 years ago, and i don't really remember any in my lifetime. if we've had it, it stopped a long time ago, and ironically there's much more justification for it now than there was then
20:29
Hehe.
Of course people are not afraid of radiation as long as their children don't have cancer from living next to a plant.
Jez
Jez
@Vitaly with religion, you can't disprove the beliefs and so they can kind of get away with the claims. with anti-nuclear, you have real evidence of its safety.
Why would they have cancer from living next to a plant? I'd be happy to live in Sizewell.
@Jez — And evidence of its dangers.
There are enough people who are not so lucky. And certainly you wouldn't want to have the nuclear waste in your backyard, would you?
@Reg: But if they are offered the choice between their children getting cancer from smog and from radiation...
Jez
Jez
20:31
@Robusto: find me some evidence of the dangers of a modern CANDU reactor.
I wouldn't want to live anywhere near Chernobyl, tyvm.
@Jez we have real evidence that the Bible was rewritten time and time again, evidence that evolution is a fact; do they listen to it? no.
@Robusto Chernobyl not particularly, no...
@Cerberus Last time I checked, neither sun nor wind were emitting smog.
Jez
Jez
@Robusto good job we're not building an RBMK reactor.
20:32
@Jez — That is a specious argument. We have had nuclear accidents. Some of them have been catastrophic.
Anyhows, I only came in here to inform Cerberus that we've turned the tide.
@Reg: But those people don't have solar plants in their backyards, they have cars and coal plants...
@Cerberus I have 300 square meters of solar plants in my backyard and no car.
Your point being?
Jez
Jez
@Vitaly that doesn't actually affect the likelihood of the truth value of the claim, because even people at the time couldn't appraise it IMHO
@Reg: Okay, but you are probably profiting from plants that cause pollution near somebody else's children...
Our economy isn't mature enough to toss both nuclear and fossil fuels. Not even just fossil fuels. But the day will come.
20:35
@Cerberus Probably. But that is precisely my point.
Speaking about children…
5 mins ago, by RegDwight
Of course people are not afraid of radiation as long as their children don't have cancer from living next to a plant.
Jez
Jez
if you're going to toss out nuclear, as far as I'm concerned you should toss out wind because it uglifies the landscape, solar for the same reason, hydro because it buggers up rivers, etc.
@Vit: Such adorable girls!
20:36
It's easy to say, I would love to live near Chernobyl as long as you don't actually live near Chernobyl.
Jez
Jez
I said Sizewell. i don't want to live near an unsafe reactor, of course.
@Jez "Uglifies the landscape" and "makes people die of cancer" are not exactly in the same ballpark.
Jez
Jez
it doesnt make people die of cancer.
@RegDwight — Well, to be fair, it's not proven that simply living near a plant significantly raises cancer risk. But if you have a plant failure, a cascade of errors such as occurred at Fukushima, then the story can be much different.
@Jez Sorry, but I know enough people who sadly prove you wrong.
20:37
Ehm, I'd rather live next to a nuclear plant than where I live now, health-wise. Any big city with cars is very bad. If they tossed all non-electrical cars and fuelled them with a nuclear plant in my back yard, I'd be for it.
Coal is killing more people than nuclear at this point, and changing the environment into the bargain.
@Robusto Not arguing about that.
Anyhow, Werbepause vorbei. Laters.
Jez
Jez
@RegDwight really? have they gotten cancer from a modern plant, or Chernobyl?
Nor I.
20:38
@Reg: Haha, bye, and keep up the fight!
I gotta go too.
Aww.
Bai!
Jez
Jez
bye
I g2g too. Bye.
Bye Vit!
20:57
I must be off as well. Later!
Jez
Jez
cya
 
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