« first day (994 days earlier)      last day (4223 days later) » 

00:07
Anyone promoting their opinion as fact in a way that is abusive to others will be suspended from chat for a period no shorter than 24 hours.
00:21
That is weird.
And...subjective.
And long.
People can just set this person to ignore?
Hm. I'm not sure how that will work, but I figure it won't really affect me. I don't really abuse people here very much.
How dare you state that abusive sentence as fact!
How dare you state that my sentences are abusive and purport to be factual!
bans Mahnax and self
never returns
00:27
(Can we still whisper in the afterlife?)
(Yeah, I think so. Just don't let Spot hear)
(Oh, Spot? Who's that?)
(Are you saying...Heaven is ruled by a dog??)
(The three-headed guardian of the Gates of Hell! Karbarah is Sanskrit for spotted!)
(Therefore…)
(Ohh we've gone down! Damn. Yes, Kerberos is supposed to mean spotted in Greek too.)
(Aha!)
OK, I'm tired of parentheses.
awaits eternal damnation
00:32
You have risen again!
roars, meekly
I think that makes us undead. Which I kind of already was.
That would explain your "sleep schedule".
nods
@KitFox What? Have you gone bonkers?
4
@Cerberus I figured zwak was "weak" and sterke was the opposite.
00:48
@Robusto Correct!
You're almost fluent at Dutch.
@Cerberus I just thought of them as cognates of German schwach and stark.
Correct!
01:15
@Cerberus I assume I missed something?
@MετάEd Tchrist was ranting earlier and Mr Shiny was temporarily suspended for telling him to fuck off.
I presume the incident is related.
02:27
I definitely missed something. Again. O_o
I work hard all day and what is my reward? I miss the drama.
02:53
The drama was rather boring, to be honest.
You can consult the log if you're in for a boring exchange.
03:22
Which race does the word "orientals" specify?
Just people from (eastern) Asia.
@RegDwighт @room You'll like this, even if you hate Facebook. Or especially if you hate Facebook.
user image
2
> If Facebook existed during World War 2
That doesn't make sense because Japan speaks English without any grammar mistakes
Too bad. They should delete that image, then.
03:41
@Cerberus: I would hesitate to call music a "craft"; it was one of the fine arts (and the quadrivium, to medieval scholars). Now, English grammar—there's a craft. Part of the trivium, from which we get trivia (as well as this bit of trivia, as well you know). — Robusto 55 secs ago
@Robusto: Hence the quotation marks! — Cerberus 17 secs ago
You may also like this:
15 mins ago, by Cerberus
user image
04:32
lol ^
And some of them are illegal gymigrants

A term describing a person who sneaks into the gym without paying, or someone who uses another's gym pass in order to work out.
Brad always worked out three times a week, but, being an illegal gymigrant, he never actually paid to use the gym facilities - he just snuck past the front desk.
I'm glad I have started to understand Gameboy advance CPU structure and I feel like I can start to do some coding
But the problem is I need to read
http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0210c/DDI0210B.pdf
05:05
Hi @Cerberus
These kind/kinds of shoes seem to be expensive but they are relatively easy to care for.
Guys, I need some elaboration of following statements.

Thumb implements a 16-bit instruction set on a 32-bit architecture to provide:
• higher performance than a 16-bit architecture
• higher code density than a 32-bit architecture.

Does "high code density" mean 16 bit architecture has more code than 32 bit?
I am (95%) sure it means it has less code than the other but I just want to be sure
06:04
@KitFox You don't think it will be enough if we ask them to relax a bit?
@JohanLarsson I forgot to tell him I'd already warned the guy
ok np, my comment was not directed at you
All the mods are in a special room just for us where we talk about unicorns and moderation; we can ping each other from anywhere
this room is usually decent, discussions with temperature slightly above lukewarm are not that bad ime.
what is a unicorn?
A weaponized pony.
2
 
2 hours later…
07:52
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 the 8th of February is this Friday? The 8th of September is next Friday? Is there a time machine kickstarter I missed out on?
 
3 hours later…
10:24
hello
. The boss took strict measures
(A) with a view to ensuring punctuality
(B) on the part of his subordinates.

which one is erroneous ?
shoudn;t it be ""to ensure punctuality""?
No, it shouldn't. (A) is correct.
I'm trying to work out whether (B) actually means anything. It seems wrong to me.
would (B) normally be "on behalf of his subordinates"?
Yes, I think it's supposed to be "on behalf of".
i think B is correct
i read it in a newspaper.
A newspaper sub-edited by native speakers like me and Matt?
10:30
nope, an Economics magazine, from India.
If you think (B) is correct, can you tell us what it means? To me, it doesn't seem to mean anything, although syntactically, it's OK.
collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/on-the-part-of this says that on part of means on behalf of.
But (A) is certainly correct. The word "to" here is a preposition, not part of an infinitive.
I know that, but the "ing" is what is confusing me, of all the lines I have read so far, they didn't use "ing" after "to"
i don't know, I am not english.
"with a view to" is a fixed phrase, too
10:33
@AnujKaithwas In 8 of the 9 examples on the dictionary page that you've linked to, "on the part of" could NOT be correctly replaced with "on behalf of". The meaning is quite different.
And the other example seems like an error to me.
@MattЭллен Yes, a fixed phrase that must be followed by a noun or a gerund, not by a bare infinitive.
what does the first cloud mean?
does it mean, the minorities will be cowed by such a prime minister, or the prime minister will impart fear on them?
"on the part of" there seems to mean something like within
I would not use the phrase like that
@MattЭллен I was going to say it seems to mean "for".
Yes, for could be it
10:39
Yeah, I don't consider it to be great English. But it does imply that the unwanted prime minister will impart fear on the minorities.
so couldn't we say the "for" or "on the behalf" are somewhat similar in implication, in a vague fashion?
In this case, "on behalf of" is definitely wrong. It would imply that the minorities are imparting fear on others.
So, "for" and "on behalf of" are actually kind of opposites here.
Doing something for someone else can mean doing it on their behalf, in some circumstances
not this one, though
10:41
But not in this circumstance.
Then when must we use "on the part of" and "on the behalf of"?
@AnujKaithwas I advise not using "on the part of" at all.
Use a clearer phrase instead, unless you're VERY sure that you're using it right.
okay, well I was reading a question paper that was meant to test candidates english usage and understanding and the example was from that paper.
"On the part of" only really works for theatre metphors
10:43
@AnujKaithwas So are you saying that you need to learn to understand it? That's not the same as saying that you want to use this expression.
I need to understand it.
Shall we work through the nine examples on that dictionary page, and work out what each one means? Would that help you?
I don't mind but you might be busy.
@KitFox If the same person does it over and over, can the 24 hour periods accumulate indefinitely?
> She said: `What is now happening is a reflection of unimaginably outrageous behaviour on the part of the Serbian forces.

That doens't mean "on behalf of" to me. Someone else is not doing the "outrageous behaviour" in place of and for the Serbian forces. The Serbian forces are doing it and "She" is ascribing responsiblility to them.
10:47
Yes. In that example, it means "by".
I think this definition is a much better explanation of "on the part of"
2
I think in most of the examples, it means "by".
@MattЭллен You are right, of course. Oxford usually trumps Collins.
He told himself that the story couldn't be true, that it was some attempted ruse by the British.
@MattЭллен No.
In most of the examples, "from" would be a better replacement than "by".
@DavidWallace, can't we use "from the part of the British"?
10:51
@AnujKaithwas No.
"From the part of" doesn't really mean anything.
You understand that in this sentence, it's the British that are perpetrating the ruse, or at least attempting to? It's not someone else doing it on their behalf. So this example doesn't fit the Collins definition at all.
Imperial ambition from Claudius was an undoubted factor.
This example is similar to the first. It is Claudius who has the ambition. It's not somebody else having ambition on Claudius's behalf. So this example also fails to fit the Collins definition.
that Claudius had the Imperial ambition in his own, was undoubted, right?
Umm, that's not quite what it means.
The "undoubted factor" is relating this sentence back to the previous sentence in the excerpt, which unfortunately we don't have.
doesn't it mean, that Caludius had the imperial ambition, the ambition of imperiality?
which was natural, sort of?
10:56
The context might have been something like this. "The troops invaded the shores of Britain, and proceeded to slaughter everyone they encountered. Imperial ambition on the part of Claudius was an undoubted factor".
In other words, Claudius's ambition to have an empire was an undoubted factor in the Roman invasion of Britain.
I'm kind of inventing history here, but the point is to show you how "undoubted factor" relates to whatever the context of the sentence was.
so in that sentence, the ambition is from him.
it' s his ambition.
Yes. Exactly.
So, think about the other examples, and see if you can work out which preposition is the best replacement for "on the part of". The only one where "on behalf of" would make any sense at all is "People are more health-conscious on the part of their pets;" which I consider ungrammatical anyway.
I have to go and do something else now anyway. Bye.
okay, by, thank you.
11:01
Heyy, if a girl is a "gold digger", then how do you call her boyfriend? A "sponsor" ?
@AdrianPanasiuk "Sugar daddy"
Thanks! Does it include a naive man?
Well, it might, if the guy doesn't realise she's a gold digger
Ok, thanks!
it doesn't exclude naiveness
11:04
@MattЭллен,
. The boss took strict measures
(A) with a view to ensuring punctuality
(B) on the part of his subordinates.
(C) No error.

can you tell why "ensuring" is correct in this sentence?
Well, "with a view to" is a fixed phrase, as I linked to earlier. It is followed by a gerund or noun.
For example "He bought the eggs and flour with a view to baking a cake for his mother"
but there is an "ing", do we use "ing" after a "to"?
Which is roughtly equivalent to "He bought the eggs and flour with the intention of baking a cake for his mother"
@AnujKaithwas yes. as I've said, it is a fixed phrase. As David said to is a preposition in that situation.
for example "I'm going to rowing practice"
to is a prepoistion there
it is a different to to the to in "I'm going to row around the world"
okay, but rowing is a whole word, isn't it?
what do you mean? all words are whole words.
think of "with a view to" as a single unit. take any of the parts away and it means something else
11:10
we can say "he walks", and not "he walking", that's the whole i am trying to say
yeah, correct.
similarly you can say "he rows" and not "he rowing"
and "he ensures" and not "he ensuring"
Right, I am confusing myself.
:D
:D no worries
I do not. have you been using it?
sorry. I'm going for lunch now. nice chatting!
11:17
okay
13:12
@Robusto yeah for real. Why would I even promote my opinion? It's got the Generalissimus rank already.
-1
Q: More "LY" nightmares!

Paul WilsonAppellant's argument is premature. More important [more importantLY], the argument lacks merit.

This is never going to end.
Proofer!
0
Q: Do I use adjective forms of concurrent and consecutive?

Paul WilsonThe trial court also sentenced the defendant to five life sentences (with parole) and five 15-year sentences for the non-homicide crimes, all of which were to be served consecutive(ly?) to each other and to the sentence for first degree murder. Finally, the trial court sentenced the defendant...

I would have guessed that's some strange Slave, but no.
Do people actually say "more important"?
I don’t think so, but I’m not perfectly certain.
I sure wouldn’t.
It’s like Tolstoy’s happy family.
There are infinitely many unhappy sentences.
And I am happily unacquainted with most of them.
13:31
I like the definition of Samsung on Urban dictionary
samsung

I'm korean. I'm sorry that talk about irrelative 'samsung'. I don't speak English well, but I want to tell you true.
Most of korean never eat dog. And most of korean hate them who eat dog. They who eat dog are senior, and will pass away soon.
Eating dog will be illegal by law.
So, don't biased about Korean.
p.s. I have two dogs, and they are our family. I love them.
Most koreans never eat dog without few people.(Samsung is company)
2. Samsung

A racially motivated slang term for men of the Asia region.
"Hey, Samsung, may I have some more sweet tea?"

"Thanks, Sammy."
@RegDwighт Sure. My opinion is more important than yours.
See, that should have been more importantly. Or Leslie important.
Only to dykes.
14:06
Do you guys know Brazilian dogman?
If you cannot watch gross things, please ignore it... otherwise, google search the keywords..
14:33
huffs and puffs
I shouldn't be here today
No?
But now you're here, so it's too late anyway.
You shouldn't drink beer today? But whyever not?
strains to hear the conversation
Brink sheer? Oh no, are we on the sheer brink of disaster?
What's that? You're off to cape fear. Well, good luck to you. Is that off Africa somewhere?
14:47
Okay, you can send the money immediately, no problem.
Right you are. Biscuits, too, if you don't mind.
@O0oO0oOO0ooO We all know about Brazilian dogma. You have to party.
Yay, English biscuits!
@MattЭллен No, that's Crepe Fear. The most horrific birthday party decorations ever.
@Cerberus Yes, if you're starving on a desert island somewhere, I'm sure they could tide you over until you can eat something less disgusting, like a person.
Clearly you've never had a real biscuit
14:54
Oh, sorry. You're Dutch. If there's anything better than Dutch cuisine it is English.
your American lumps are far short of anything I would call a good biscuit
@Mitch Haha, are you really so traumatised?
Mu lumps are blushes not something you would compare to a biscuit.
I'm sorry, but American biscuits look a whole lot grosser...
14:56
@Cerberus A 'biscuit' is a small round flat confection of flour, sugar, butter and extras, baked?
@Mitch Can't argue with that. Although Dutch cuisine is more like <blank> while English cuisine is a bit more <barf>.
oh, sorry, I switched tabs.
@Mitch Yes.
To me, it is.
Yours are like little lumps of bread, right?
No, I shouldn't be here because I feel like crap. I just found out that the little girl who used to live across the street, one of my daughter's friends, drowned.
Aww. That's terrible.
14:57
@Cerberus I think they're closer to scones
@Cerberus OK then. My statement about cannibalism and English biscuits stands.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Are you going to tell your daughter?
@MattЭллен Hmm yes, I suppose. But then why not say scone?
@Mitch They're just cookies, you know. Dutch biscuits are worse, I assure you. Less sugar, less fat.
American cookies are actually good. They're like Texas compared to the Rhode Island of English biscuits.
@Cerberus Why misspell aluminium? The American dialect is a mystery.
@Mitch Texas...this isn't helping, you know.
14:59
@Cerberus Ha ha. So sadly mistaken.
@MattЭллен Mystery, catastrophe, whatever you like to call it.
@Mitch Then what are they like? I've never seen one in real life.
@Mitch Dusty, dirty and forever associated with G W Bush.
@Cerberus I don't know what to do.
15:01
@Cerberus Then how can you say anything? You're talking like the tchrist of cookies biscuits. And I mean that to sting.
No I don't, but I just had to say that.
@MattЭллен Dusty and dirty is what English biscuits taste like in comparison to the ambrosia of American cookies.
@Mitch American cookies are a plesant but limited subset of biscuits.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 How old is your daughter again?
I'd probably wait. No hurry there.
@Mitch Ouch!!
@Cerberus she's 5.
I feel for you Mr. S. That's a tough spot.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I'd wait and talk it over with your wife. At any rate, there is no need for your daughter to know now, right?
15:04
well, my daughter is not here right now.
Ah OK.
@MattЭллен Stunted? We have the biggest and best cookies in the world. We have so many cookies that despite how wonderfully good they are, we destroy millions of them a day so as not to upset the balance of world cookie goodness. In fact the cookie I am eating right nwommmbffmmm I'm ogonmmfffghhhhhmmm to spit out. Because I can. And I can get just get as good a one from all the corner cookie stands.
How long ago was the last time she saw this girl? How close where they?
but I can't concentrate. I feel ill. That poor family.
I understand.
15:05
It's been a few months. Maybe since last summer. But they were classmates.
Okay.
Maybe it sounds harsh, but it may be harder for you than for your daughter. She's had many new impressions since. Or does she still talk a lot about this girl?
@Cerberus ha ha. "You're wrong. I know how you feel better than you do. Idiot"
Perhaps you can send them a card, food, take make them feel you care. No phone calls or visits, I would say.
@Mitch I didn't mean stunted, hence the change. I don't deny that they're nice, but you don't get the range with American cookies that you do with British biscuits. Sure, your cookies are sweet, but I can't imagine dipping them in tea, or having one for a snack. They're just too filling and rich. We have all that in the various biscuits, but we also have other, more subtle treats
@Mitch Nooo...! Haha.
@Mitch The biggest, no doubt.
15:07
@Cerberus bigger than that!
A big, fat, sweet, flavourless lump isn't necessarily better than one with a normal size.
@MattЭллен them's 'merican dates there.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 oh! well that makes sense. :D I hear you guys have had time travel since 1985
@MattЭллен Oh I think they're all right. They're way too big. almost more than a snack. wayyyy too much sugar.
@MattЭллен and hoverboards!
15:09
time machine kickstarter? also will suggest to white house
@Mitch That will already haven been done.
@Cerberus Yeah. I dunno.
Sorry, That willen already haven be done. I always forget how to conjugate verbs in case of time travel.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Where is your wife?
Parrot Kochli?
15:13
@MattЭллен Close enough.
@MετάEd Why the infinitive?
Heh, sorry :D I mean no disrespect, I can't read Greek
And modals aren't conjugated in the 3rd person singular, I believe.
Ah OK.
15:14
@MattЭллен No problem. You read it right. It's just that I couldn't transliterate it.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why don't you go watch a relaxing television programme or something.
Meanwhile, I am studying for this test and I WONDER WHAT THIS GUY IS TRYING TO CONVEY!
Because I'm supervising a deployment.
Ah, you're at work too, of course.
15:15
@Robusto That's the problem with encryption. It's not widespread enough.
@Robusto Yeah, I'm not surprised.
From what I have read on various websites, I see that the poem is widely misunderstood.
@ΠαρθΚοχλι "misunderstood", or are there just multiple possible understandings?
@ΠαρθΚοχλι Short answer: he's choosing to be a poet, not a drudge.
> The NSA claims it can “discover the users” of VPNs, suggesting, again, that people using encryption or anonymizing tools may find themselves targeted as suspicious merely for attempting to protect the privacy of their communications
Which I've said before.
@Robusto one solution to that could be to create an online lorem ipsum generator of suspicious text that people could use to spam each other with. Drown the db wth in noise.
15:18
@Robusto lol. That's exactly what I read. "Neither did Frost ever mention in the poem that he became a successful dude through the road he chose, nor did he ever say that the road he took was travelled by a lot lesser."
That's where this shit is confusing.
@Robusto How would they do that?
Some people related this poem to Frost's real story directly. I don't know which one is right.
Yes, they can tell that you're using a VPN. But they can't tell who is using the VPN.
At least not with the reliable VPNs.
@ΠαρθΚοχλι "Two roads diverged in a wood, and I, / I took the one less traveled by, / And that has made all the difference." Meaning he has had a happy life being a successful poet. In other words, he lucked up.
@Cerberus can't they?
@Cerberus How should I know? Magic.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The only way would be by user-agent strings or very specific patterns in your usage.
But surely anyone wanting to hide his activity would use a different browser in a virtual machine.
Actually, they can't even see your user-agent, can they?
@Cerberus have you seen the EFF's project to measure browser fingerprinting? Their conclusion: typical destkop browsers can be uniquely identified using a variety of criteria.
The VPN encrypts that, too.
Hmm, he does say that he chose the one less traveled by, but... what about... "Though as for that the passing there,
Had worn them really about the same"
15:22
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ^
@Cerberus Also, you're assuming they can't penetrate vpns.
@ΠαρθΚοχλι There were many people who attempted to write poetry, but fewer who succeeded as famously as Frost had.
@Cerberus Yes but VPNs have exits which can be monitored.
@Robusto That's a good viewpoint. I thought of it initially, but I couldn't convince myself with it. Thanks.
you've missed the big reveal! The CIA runs all VPNs
15:24
@ΠαρθΚοχλι No problem.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I suppose if they monitor all exits, and people use a user-agent that they can match to a known identity...
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Do you think they can penetrate VPNs? How would they even know which connection to penetrate?
@MattЭллен Now that could be a real problem.
@Cerberus Yes. They could conceivably just monitor all the traffic and break the encryption.
Could they?
Because they use decent encryption, and the data going through those connection are huge?
15:28
@Cerberus you assume there is such a thing as commercially available encryption that the NSA can't compromise. Also they wouldn't need to store all the data. only the parts they care about. If they can achieve real-time decryption, that's easy.
@Cerberus It's not infinitive. It's pofuture repast perfect.
@JohanLarsson Hmm...it doesn't give an (accessible) source...
works for me, they must have found you
> TunnelBear provides a minimum of AES 128-bit encryption.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Could they decrypt AES 128-bit in real time?
And for every American exit point and every connection going through those exit points at the same time?
@Cerberus I don't know. Are TunnelBear's systems secure? does AES actually work?
15:31
That is of course an assumption I have to make.
@Cerberus most of the internet goes through a small set of hubs.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 *tubes
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But, I mean, they'd have to decrypt 100,000 encrypted connections at the same time, real time.
Because they don't know which user is behind which connection until they decrypt it.
what happens if NSA controls all root certificate issuers, would that be a convenient way to get all private keys?
@JohanLarsson I think it would?
But, if they did that, and the issuers allowed it, the system would collapse.
15:34
then you can probably assume they have it :)
I suck at security stuff though, so no idea
The issuers would go bankrupt in no time. They have a very strong incentive not to allow the NSA to do that.
@JohanLarsson You must suck at it less than I do!
I think we may safely assume that whatever has been leaked about the NSA, the truth of what they really can do is still shrouded in mystery.
Consider for example what we know about Stuxnet and Flame. I believe they didn't use any fraudulent keys that they had taken from the key issuers by force.
@Robusto I don't know...it's still a bureaucratic organisation, and they like to brag when they're not speaking in public. They're probably a whole lot less effective than they would like people to think.
@Cerberus That's what the Soviets thought.
In fact, they were able to tap into all of Soviet military communications just by positioning a submarine next to an underwater relay point and hooking in. (Actual details may vary, but it was something that low-concept.)
Heh.
I suppose, if you don't guard your relay points and don't encrypt your communications...
15:39
It's not the super-amazing whiz-bang stuff that gets you. It's the low-level vulnerability you didn't know existed.
@Cerberus Even if you do encrypt your communications. Look at Germany's "uncrackable" Enigma machine, and how that was broken almost from the beginning. Look at the U.S. routinely breaking the various encrypted communications of the Japanese during WWII.
> Every Japanese code was eventually broken, and the intelligence gathered made possible such operations as the victorious American ambush of the Japanese Navy at Midway and the shooting down of Isoroku Yamamoto in Operation Vengeance.
@Robusto Okay, good encryption. Of course it all breaks down if you don't use good encryption, of a kind that is too hard to crack in practice.
About the sentence, "I'm just curious of what it is about.".... is it grammatically correct?
....?
Sounds correct in Sweden, lets wait for the experts.
Oh okay.
thanks though!
@Cerberus They did use good encryption. But the stuff was cracked anyway because of low-level hints that gave the cryptologists clues about what to look for.
15:50
@Alraxite It is probably correct, but I'd leave out "of".
@Alraxite "I'm just curious as to what it's about . . ." or "I'm just curious what it's about . . ." or any of a number of constructions would work. What you have sounds awkward.
@Robusto Although the contraction "it's" is not really the issue here.
@Cerberus @Robusto Oh, thank you very much!
@Cerberus I didn't say it is. My fingers just naturally typed the contraction.
@Robusto I suspected as much. That was just to make sure Al didn't misunderstand you.

« first day (994 days earlier)      last day (4223 days later) »