@RegDwighт That reminds me of the guys who got a bug report about a process of theirs dumping core on a segmentation violation, so their fix was to ignore SIGSEGV.

@Reg: One of the reasons I liked Watchmen was that it subverted all the superhero moral conventions. It asked the question, "What if these superheroes, who are always assumed to be on the side of humanity and justice, proved not to be so, and were in fact corrupt, immoral or amoral entities in service to a corrupt and malevolent authority." That's way, way deeper than most comic-book movies go, and what makes everything about it so compelling.

@Kit should also pay special attention how many of her messages are of the form,

@Robusto I understood that and very much appreciated that idea. I couldn't have hated more on the execution.

It was a mess.

I despise OK buttons. They lie.

@RegDwighт OK, we simply disagree on that point.

Well it's not really disagreement. You had a backstory under your belt. I had none. Zilch.

You couldn't see it through my eyes any more than I could see it through yours.

That doesn't mean we wouldn't agree if we could.

I could be bribed.

Whoa really? Where'd you learn that?

An impressive skill.

They should make a superhero with that power.

From Latin America.

Conan the Bribarian.

El Gran Enchufe. Lady Propina.

Propina would probably be enough.

Mr Properina.

Pretty balerina.

@RegDwighт Yeah. There's your Russian superhero.

@RegDwighт What, a cross-dresser?

@Robusto that's not a super power in Russia. Or we are all supermen. Which does explain why comics plain do not exist.

Doña Propiña, the superhero for professional pineapples.

@tchrist It is an example of the pathetic fallacy to attribute to any dresser, bureau, breakfront or chifforobe any human emotion, such as crossness, anger, or pique.

@Robusto Well, if you had to wear girl’s clothes all the time, wouldn’t you be cross, too?

@Robusto Yeah, I heard all about it in the Great Pathetic Sonata.

That’s a banger.

@RegDwighт But Superman came from a planet where his powers were not considered super. They were only super when he came to Earth. If your Bribarian came to the U.S. he could mingle with ordinary folks and be amazing. It is only on K Street in D.C. where he wouldn't stand out, particularly.

@Robusto now you have a point. And I'm taking it from you.

@tchrist But I'm not a dresser. I'm a dressee. Specifically, an addressee. Which I guess is the opposite of a dressee. I'm confused.

Did you just say vocame?

@tchrist What do you like in place of it: Dismiss? Or maybe FU :-)

You must know that the add in addressee stands for "American daydream", while the ressee stands for Lassie in China.

Woof.

See.

Hi @MattЭллен

hi

How do you do?

I do like that. How do you do?

Fine.

good, good

I've one confusion in this sentence: Dhoni is one of the captains who is always cool.

Is this right?

@Sudhir Yes

@Robusto should have two buttons, OK and Apply.

That's useless redundancy. OK will suffice.

But my friend told me its wrong.

@Sudhir Well, I've never met Dhoni, so I can't say if they're always cool, or a captain, but syntactically there is nothing wrong with the sentence.

@MattЭллен: I got confused. He says who are is apt here.

ah. Well, that's not wrong either. I think we had a question about this sort of construction the other day

Dhoni is one of the captains who ARE always cool

@Robusto OK would also close the window. Apply would let you enjoy it some more while the drive's being wiped.

It all depends on how you parse it.

I am so hungry.

Eat some food.

No food yet.

Have pizzas.

Get some food. Then eat it.

@MattЭллен they'd have more luck saying, "Quiz time! Which of the following has two letters?"

nah, I made it myself from teh javascript console. It's all contrived

And guess what, we didn't notice. At all.

@RegDwighт That worked great, thanks.

@KitFox I am here to help you eat.

Feeder!

You look like you're here to eat me.

@MattЭллен That's RSS to you.

Actually I never understood what the question is. Are asses what?

@MattЭллен:Both are syntactically correct?

@Sudhir yes

@KitFox that's your magic glasses. Through them, all people look like they want to eat you.

Well, to be fair, you are a shark.

nomnomnom

Thanks.

And Orc's an orc.

no probs

I'm not posting the Seinfeld "You're A Fox" video again.

And I'm a furry, sweet, little, innocent fox.

With nothing to defend myself except my cunning.

And we know how cunning I am.

@KitFox have you redefined some of those words?

No. Why?

@RegDwighт We should rename you Oblomov.

oh. no reason :D

Ah, too late.

@Robusto I'll take it. It's Russian for "destroyer".

I mean it in this sense.

I've confusion.

@Robusto Oh really? Never heard of that one.

Pls clear it.

@Sudhir which one do you think it is?

Well, there's a first time for everything.

I was too busy reading comics. No time for Goncharov.

Very hard for me to decide.

Next thing you tell me I should try Griboyedov.

@Matt Slick, perhaps, but not glossy, I'm afraid.

And hello kids.

@Cerberus do you need better food?

Hello!

I hear pedigree chum gives a glossy coat

@Cerberus: Good Evening.

Okay who asked Cerberus to bring his non sequiturs to the party.

@MattЭллен You think that helps?

@RegDwighт Oh, but it segues all right.

@Cerberus I've not owned a dog, but it's what the adverts tell me

@Cerberus it segues worse than Watchmen.

Everyone knows adverts are the ultimate truth.

@Sudhir So this thing happened once, in the past. What tense should that be?

Gah! The last step says "Brew & Enjoy". How am I supposed to do that? What if I screw it up?

@RegDwighт Who?

Adverts are plural. How can the ultimate truth be many?

Past.

@Cerberus thank you. I knew I could count on you.

tastes the irony

It's Sex and the City Two for blokes. With blue penises.

@RegDwighт Always.

@MattЭллен: C and D are don't make sense.

@Cerberus no Erasure quotes in this chat.

@Sudhir good. so how do you describe something that occurred in the past?

@RegDwighт There us never a single truth. And there may even be no truth at all, if you use Adblock.

@Cerberus so how can it be ultimate, then?

@RegDwighт No references to films that probably don't exist anyway.

@Sudhir good, so we can eliminate those two

@Cerberus but they do.

@RegDwighт The ultimate truth is a hole of nothingness.

Ewww.

...

@Cerberus psst it's not a film

@MattЭллен tell that to the director.

You have a dirty mind. By the way, we did "dirty-word Scrabble" this weekend.

Only dirty words are allowed.

@MattЭллен Well, how about "thing", then?

@RegDwighт The song Always, by Erasure is a song. What are you talking about?

So you dipped the tiles in mud before laying them out?

Yes.

Fun, huh?

Great fun.

We allowed Dutch and English, or it would be too hard.

@MattЭллен I am not talking!

My friend made the word "cunter".

@Cerberus huhuh, you said hard.

@RegDwighт oh. That explains a lot.

Which counted since it was on Urban Dictionary.

But then it was extended into bicunter...

Please tell me you turned it into Cunterberry.

No space.

Oh.

You help me. @MattЭллен

@RegDwighт Hard would have counted.

We allowed "ai".

Using Past tense.

@Cerberus What do you use as a referee when people disagree about dirty.

@Sudhir right, but what words would you use.

@Sudhir you got three options. plug them into google and see which happens more often

@MετάEd Dismiss was certainly my first thought. Others include Banish, Acknowledged, ACK, and Yes, I’ve read your damned popup, now get the fuck out of my face.

ok good idea.

@tchrist Of those I still prefer Dismiss or FU. Dismiss for accuracy, FU because it's OK, only better.

@RegDwighт @Cerb says that he has no facility with remembering all the berry names in English; he probably forgot that one.

@MετάEd Or FM or FMH.

What's a bicunter?

@Robusto Other 2000 was the worst. Glad to see it going away.

@tchrist I don't know what those mean. FU, I can understand.

@MετάEd Harder

Got to have the frequency modulation. Good stuff. Turn it up.

@Robusto I think Cherry is also popular.

I prefer otherberry.

I wonder where Linux is on that list? Seems like it should register at least a little.

@tchrist Or in Dutch.

Maybe Linuxberry is otherberry.

@MετάEd Shouting.

@Robusto Huh.

I guess they must be using an unusual definition of "market share"?

@Cerberus especially since other has the highest market share. ;)

@Robusto What are they counting in that picture? client devices? Why isn't "Linux" on there? In my house, there are three pcs, one tablet, 5 phones, three routers, a blu-ray player, and a tv, and of those, only one phone and one PC don't run linux.

@Robusto oops didn't read this far in the transcript :)

@MattЭллен Hehe. Yes, other wins again!

@Cerberus Other doesn't win. Android is winning. Can't you read a graph?

@Robusto Matt can't.

That is, he refuses to.

I think you'll find other is at the top, taking up the 100% slot

Matt is just trying to be funny.

But how can other be 99 % and 100 % at the same time? Pick one, other!

Between the self and the other, I prefer the self.

lol

@Robusto But seriously, "market share" can mean lots of things.

The large majority of people use Windows every day.

The majority of smartphone users use Android every day.

I'm using Windows, Android and Ubuntu right at this moment

well, maybe "using Android" is a stretch. my phone is on.

@MattЭллен That is a use case. Turn it off, or take back your assertion.

@MattЭллен Same, except no Ubuntu.

heheh I was going to write something similar, but I decided my "use" of Android was limited to "there's an active android computer in my pocket" and my "use" of Linux is "my router is forwarding this chat message to you"

Debug.Assert(true == false);

It's just that simple.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 As usual, the stats mean nothing without proper definitions.

one day I'll make that test pass

@MattЭллен #DEFINE false true

:D

@Cerberus or methodology

Yes.

OK, my bad for posting that out of context. Here is the full article.

But the definitions are easier to add, because they're shorter.

It's about global device shipments, apparently.

Ahhh.

We have a definition.

Do we have a methodology?

"I asked some people to count things. They did a good job."

@Robusto so, consumer devices, and things like business desktops

Yes. All of it.

not servers, super-computers, or embedded devices

Am I allowed to say something unfriendly about those charts?

so long as it's not racist, sexist or homophonic

Every time you say something unfriendly about a chart, a hell-spawn gets its second head

@MattЭллен It shall be unhomophonic, then!

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yay!

Euphonious!

I wanted to say "fuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" but it was too homophonic

How am I supposed to trust a chart whose author was unable to properly describe the x-axis? It says "number of devices shipped", but it doesn't even mention the period!

How sloppy and stupid can you be?

it does have it

It goes from Q1 2009 to Q1 2013

Are these shipments yearly? The graph would have to be cumulative.

oh, that one. It has years.

Maybe it's got that not-so-fresh feeling and was embarrassed.

It should either have bars, or it should say "yearly".

@Cerberus yeah they really ship that one tablet around a lot.

Hehe.

Poor tablet.

Everybody hates it?

like the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy Mk. 2

It's a stacked graph.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It's not cumulative.

It's solid, with no vertical boundaries, which ought to indicate cumulative numbers.

@Cerberus it isn't supposed to be. Each point on the X-axis represents the number shipped that year. So in 2007 there were 400,000,000 devices shipped.

I know that's what it is supposed to mean, but it's not right.

The data points are interpolated for clarity.

unclarity, if you ask me

Nuh-uh.

bites orc

They should either add "yearly" in the description or add vertical elements in the graph itself.

swats at fox

wrestles own tail

They're connected so that you can see the trend more easily. Not because the space between points is supposed to be meaningful.

Oh, and why do they need to tell us they're bi?

Business intelligence intelligence.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, and that means they should have added "yearly" in the description.

@Cerberus I don't think the graph is unclear about what it is trying to say.

@KitFox lol. kinda sums it up

What I would like to know is what they count as a "device shipment".

And how they came to this estimate.

Well, actually Business Insider Intelligence, I guess, but BI is business intelligence in my circles.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, the most likely interpretation was indeed very likely, but it's still not right.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah. Apparently, they combine a lot of stats from different sources.

@Cerberus If that's the biggest problem with the graph then I think we can rest easy tonight.

It's just the first indicator.

It's a stretch. What I see is that tablets and smartphones are now about twice the size of computers, so to me that means the OS graph indicates that Android and Windows are sharing the new market territory and Apple is keeping its share of computer/device sales. Not much changing there.

In other words, Android is the Windows of the mobile market.

And Apple still sucks.

no, see, tablets are on the top, so they have the most market share. PCs are on the bottom, so they have the least

Poor PC.

@MattЭллен No, no, no. Goober.

it's stacked in the z direction

good. I'm glad we've cleared up how silly that style of chart is.

wants to be stacked in the z-direction

You'd just like to be stacked in any direction.

@MattЭллен It can be useful. But proper indicators/descriptions help.

it would be better to have 4d pie charts

and holographic projectors

and a tumbler of single malt

Haha.

So modest.

Oh, you're too kind

@MattЭллен singlemaltscotch.tumblr.com

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 not enough whisky

@MattЭллен yeah. but the url is what you asked for.

I went to singlemalt.tumblr.com and there was even less content

@Robusto That's a fair cop.

> For the two decades through 2005, the personal computer was the only game in town, selling about 200 million units a year. But then smartphones and tablets came along. And now they dwarf the PC market.

> As recently as three years ago, Microsoft's Windows was still totally dominant—the platform ran 70% of personal computing devices. Now, thanks to the rise of Google's Android and Apple's iOS, Windows' global share has been cut in half, to about 30 percent.

Market share ≠ devices sold.

Can we talk about something sexy instead?

Oh, wait. It's lunchtime anyway.

I quite like the Daft Punk / Pharrell track

The smartphone market is just not yet saturated, so the number of devices sold will remain high for a while. As soon as most people have a smartphone, sales will eventually drop.

Don't get me wrong, I loves me Android.

how come people keep running out to buy the latest smart phones? won't that keep the numbers going up?

@Cerberus dunno about that. The car sales are way higher today than in 1910, even though everyone already has several cars.

And a smartphone's life expectancy is less than that of a car.

my neighbour has a car that's from the 1920s or 1930s. I bet he doesn't have a smartphone.

does he have electricity and running water?

@MattЭллен I suppose the ratio between the number of devices shipped and the number of devices used will always remain higher than with PCs, but it will still be a lot lower than now.

I'm not sure. His house is impossible to see from the street. It's surrounded on all sides by trees and hedges.

@RegDwighт ^

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 creepy! he must be some kind of vampire.

Or a witch!

@MattЭллен He might be. But if so he's a daywalker.

burn him!

I bet his property is pretty flammable.

:D

all that shrubbery

Sweet! My new desk comes on Thursday.

nice

what will happen to your current desk?

Am I the only one who thought of penises?

@MattЭллен I'm sure you're neither the only nor the first.

@MattЭллен They will go into the hallway for the furniture fairies to take.

furniture fairies must be pretty buff

uhoh

too much chili sauce on your lunch?

I think I looked at the wrong dimension when I was figuring the footprint.

What is penises and how do I go about thinking of it?

Unzip your pants.

Oh. You aren't wearing any, are you?

Not with a zipper, no.

So I think this is actually 84 inches, not 66 inches. Damn it.

@KitFox: Every Tuesday in the evening I get newsletter(mail) reminding me about the chat from ELU.

reminding*

remand is not something you want

I could make you want remanding.

Srry.

Hm. I never got a message we had a chat.

@KitFox: Why so?

I was flirting.

:D

I knew it.

Hey, so it seems that dry erase marker doesn't come off waxed tile like you'd think.

sounds like you're in needed of isopropyl alcohol!

I heard of a kind of paint you can apply to a wall (or whatever) that supposedly works like a whiteboard, so you can just draw right on the wall

They make chalkboard paint too.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 but every paint works that way!

n-Alkyl Dimethyl Benzyl Ammonium Chloride doesn't help much either.

@MattЭллен:You can tell.

tries to remember where the screen cleaner gets stashed

Hi @Cerberus

How was the morning today?

I guess there'd be very less temp.

@Sudhir If you mean "I guess it'd be colder" then you need to rewrite. "less temperature" is not a thing. There is always a temperature.

note to self: do not use isopropyl alcohol on waxed floors.

There isn't more or less of it.

@KitFox oooooh. makes notes too

@Sudhir Yes, the temperature is very nice now.

Is it still hot in India?

Very irritating heat.

@Cerberus The temp here is quite then then

Temp is hovering around 35

@Cerberus very "now now"?

We ran out of temp here. And temps.

Arg, typing, my aeternal nemesis.

@Sudhir Poor you.

And tempo. And Tempos.

Hmmm.

Tempi in music.

I'd rather 35 than the 16 we have here.

Last night some drizzle bought relief.

You are insane.

I'd rather have -5 than +35.

I'd rather have 35 than -5. I think.

We had huge thunderstorms over the weekend. So everything has cooled down now.

We get quite enough low-teens weather in fall and spring. It's the height of summer, for crying out loud. It's supposed to be so hot you can't think.

@MattЭллен I know you do.

good, good

@Cerberus: Temp is how much?

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And you enjoy that?

@Cerberus Yes. I like to eat lunch on my patio and watch the ivy encroach.

@Sudhir My phone says 22. Perfection.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That was such a great story.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 How can you do that when it's over 25?

@Cerberus:Its awesome temp.

@Cerberus eternalephemeron.blogspot.ca/2012/07/the-garden.html

@Sudhir It is!

And bask.

@Cerberus: So Is there any sunlight in daytime?

or it was cloudy?