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Jez
Jez
16:00
compared to some of the stories i've heard of rednecks just shooting people because they were pissed under stand-your-ground, zimmerman's actions actually seemed vaguely reasonable
The point is, it sure looks like racial profiling on the part of Zimmerman, especially to the African-American community: Just another white man kills a black man and gets off. "Sure, I shot him. What is that, a crime?"
Jez
Jez
well i know
Why wouldn't he use "racial profiling"?
Jez
Jez
that would explain their behaviour
Didn't he live in a primarily white community?
16:01
@Jez That is bullshit. Pure and unadulterated. If you carry a gun and go looking to be a self-appointed vigilante, then you ought to bear the responsibility when shit goes bad.
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@Jez You were complaining about a chatroom suspension, right?
Jez
Jez
@Robusto another point is that he was appointed head of the neighbourhood watch. he was meant to call the non-emergency police number if he spotted something suspicious
not quite the same as a vigilante
@MετάEd yeah?
@Jez Did you appeal it?
@Jez "... meant to call the non-emergency police number ..." That's pretty far from "get into a physical confrontation after the police tell you to back off."
Jez
Jez
@MετάEd i wasn't aware there was a way to
@Robusto yes but we don't know that he started the physical altercation.
16:04
Well, a 17-year-old kid is dead because he was black and wore a hoodie. And the man who killed him is free. I don't see how that's any different from what went on 100 years ago in the South.
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He was a stranger in a neighborhood who didn't react well to being questioned?
Jez
Jez
or alternatively, because he attacked somebody and tried to smash their skull open
Just look through these pictures and tell me this isn't a time-honored tradition in the southern U.S. (And not even just the South.)
Jez
Jez
you seem to be being biased in the other direction
he was black, so he must have been murdered unjustly
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Hi dudies, is it grammatically correct: Last Month Trades
Jez
Jez
16:08
yes but sounds awkward
Do not use the terms "dudies."
Jez
Jez
and you should've kept the hyphenation
Not ever.
Jez
Jez
16:09
now it needs a hyphen
unless it is a sentence fragment
@Jez So if I'm not biased in your direction I must be biased in "the other direction"?
Jez
Jez
@Robusto i'm not biased in any direction, because im not claiming to know which side was guilty
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@Jez ok
Then why do you seem to be an apologist for Zimmerman?
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Thanks.
16:11
@cx using urban dictionary as your reference for what is a good idea to say is like using Simon Cowel as an arbiter of good music.
Jez
Jez
@Robusto i'm not.
well
yeah, im not
Oh. Then I should just ignore all your arguments about Zimmerman being justified, etc. OK, I see how it works.
Jez
Jez
that's hardly being an apologist
it's stating facts
What you call facts I call opinions.
Jez
Jez
i'm off home anyway
16:14
Ditto for you though @Rob.
None of us knows what really happened.
Another county heard from.
Yes, but that's just inflammatory and misleading.
It's a fact. You're reading in those adjectives.
And you couldn't possibly have read the whole thing before making that comment.
@Jez You can certainly appeal. It will help, of course, to be in the right.
@Robusto It wasn't the story I was referring to. It was your posting of it.
16:16
Look at the smile on the woman in the left foreground. That is a fact. That actually happened. We have evidence.
@KitFox So white oppression of black people is not germane to this discussion?
Well, excuse me.
It's not. The facts of the case don't support it.
If you change Trayvon Martin's race to white, nothing in the entire body of evidence changes.
It wasn't a hate crime.
He was head of the neighborhood watch in a community that had had several break-ins. Twice, the perp got away. He wasn't going to let him get away this time. There was a confrontation, the kid got shot and died.
Apr 10 at 12:15, by Robusto
You want justice? Go to a whorehouse. You want to get fucked? Go to court.
I rest my case.
And were we talking about a lynching, I would be pissed off too.
But it wasn't a lynching and it wasn't racially motivated.
Your opinion.
Which is different from your opinion. Yes. I get it.
16:25
Look, that's all I have to say. Obviously I'm not going to change your mind. But I'm surprised you have no feeling for the injustice of the situation.
You are letting emotions cloud your good judgment.
I am a lot colder than that.
Yes you are.
@KitFox The kid didn’t get shot.
Zimmerman shot him.
Yep.
In which case, I'll stipulate that Zimmerman shot the kid who was beating the shit out of him.
And the kid died.
And that was all very unfortunate.
Because the kid was beating up Zimmerman because he thought he was a creepy stalker.
@KitFox And Zimmerman was a creepy stalker.
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16:35
We live in a world where bad things happen.
If you don't like the law, change it.
Bad things will still happen.
@KitFox Boy, do we.
You can't legislate against stupid or fearful or bad choices or unfortunate coincidences.
@MετάEd Probably. He didn't clearly identify himself as neighborhood watch, for instance. That would have helped defuse the situation.
*defuse
omfg yes
That's what I get for trying to write queries and pretend that I have anything meaningful to say about current news.
Responding to fists with bullets in the United States is always legal, moral, ethical, and appropriate. There can be no question. A fist might give you an owie. You have the right and indeed the moral obligation to retaliate against owies with deadly force. End of discussion.
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Which is why we need to arm our ten-year-olds at school.
These things have a way of sorting themselves out.
16:41
The thought of that makes me ill.
Then my work here is done.
I have long held the stance that guns ought to be licensed properly, if you are going to let people have them.
Define some of those things.
You have to take a test to drive a car. You ought to have to pass one to buy a gun.
And that will help how?
16:43
It helps educate the public.
Race is so commonly a factor in how people perceive other people that it would be weird if it didn't play in this shooting. Zimmerman probably perceived the situation much differently than he would have it the kid had been white.
You can't have a gun if you can't demonstrate that you understand what lethal force really means.
slips down the slope
So you should be shot before you can be allowed to own a gun
Down the slope to banning guns? I'm not too concerned about that.
@MattЭллен That's a good idea.
Pictures of gunshot wounds to children, too. Like the car crash videos we had to watch.
"This is what guns do."
16:46
No, down the slope of opinion.
What something really means.
The first rule of gun safety is 'Don't own a gun.'
Duh.
But I live in a state where most gun deaths are accidental.
One thing I remember from gun class is that owning a gun makes people stupid about safety. They think about the gun first, and how to "protect" themselves, when their first thought should be "how do I get out of here safely?"
Owning a gun usually means that a gun is never going to be a last resort.
A gun made Zimmerman a tough guy.
Exactly.
16:58
@KitFox In Massachusetts you do have to pass a test and get a background check.
You guys are so progressive.
Dec 26 '12 at 15:05, by Robusto
@JohanLarsson I am completely not paranoid about random strangers breaking into my house, and although I am licensed to carry a concealed weapon I would never do so. I just don't feel threatened, and I can't think back to a single time in my life where having a gun would have improved a situation.
@KitFox No, the first rule of gun safety is you do not talk about gun safety.
Sorry, my bad.
> The second rule of Robot Club is that you do not talk about robot club. Oh. Sorry no, I misread. That's the first rule again. The second rule is no smoking.
17:07
Hee hee hee
suddenly remembers that she forgot to recall the killer robot she sent back in time to destroy the evil green orc head
starts running again
Well, hang on. I might be able to remote to it and reverse the polarity...
Oops, no, that's not it.
Wait, this time it should work.
Oh, duh, just have to tweak that a little. Should work now.
Damn, except I forgot to cast the type...
Now it should work.
checks behind him
It seems to have stopped
What the —?
@MattЭллен No, the second rule of Robot Club is that a robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the first rule.
17:11
posted on July 26, 2013 by sgdi

The horny old man of Mumbai Would utter a lecherous sigh Whenever he saw A rent boy or whore And his hand would creep down to his fly

I'm getting a weird authentication error on production...let me try this other thing...
Shit.
That's obviously the Liverpudlian pronunciation of "saw".
Uh. I guess you're on your own @Matt.
Oh, no, it was just letting its actuators cool.
I think I might have made it angry.
But it's fully encrypted!
17:14
That's good to know. So I can store my data on it safely. If only it wasn't trying to kill me.
/sɔː/
/hɔː/
In Mumbai there lived an old man / Whose penis continually ran / He'd gotten those sores / From rent boys and whores / And the flies would creep down from his hand.
Not the Limerick Machine.
I didn't think Matt was Liverpudlian.
But I don't know what Oxfordian sounds like.
hunts up squirrel recording
giggles
squirrel
17:29
rofl
squirrel
giggles
@MετάEd, I'd love to accept your answer. — Dane 2 hours ago
Why do I have to be Liverpudlian to make saw rhyme with whore? We've discussed this befaw!
@MετάEd I'd love to accept your answer too. If only I had a question.
17:38
Feb 12 '12 at 7:56, by David Wallace
I'm trying to remember a conversation I had with an American man, who questioned what he had read - namely that "law" and "lore" are pronounced identically in NZ English. He said - "But that can't possibly be right; one of them is LAW and the other is LORE". Which in his accent sounded different. I think I may be able to remember the difference, but I'm not sure.
@MετάEd ha ha. yuck.
@Matt, did I post back my own pronunciation of squirrel?
@KitFox I think so
I don't know why I find that so funny.
@KitFox Someone more than someone dying has to happen for you not to like?
17:45
@KitFox maybe not
Ha ha, I broke my own rule, which was talking about something serious.
I didn't hear it. I heard Mahnax
I heard a sneeze. Does that count?
@KitFox I thought the question was clear: is the widespread productive use of the -wise suffix a novelty.
That's the question I answered, anyway.
Also, what's the moral difference between lynching and shooting?
17:46
@Mitch Ask a clay pigeon.
Shit shit shit. Broke my rule again. I'm going back to the other rule then, no smoking. I can do that one.
@Mitch First rule of robotics?
@MετάEd pigeons are the idiots of the bird world. they wouldn't know the difference between a rock and a hard place if it hit them in the head.
@Mitch Especially the clay ones.
A budding young writer named Ed
stayed awake when his wife went to bed.
He had a quick chat
with Robusto and Matt
and let KitFox play games with his head.
17:48
@DavidWallace Wow....is it that late already?
Holy crap. Google is providing etymologies in its search results topbox now.
@Jez That is not a reliable juror, especially since she can't understand basic human anatomy.
@DavidWallace I think Ed is in NA and at this UTC time it is still daytime.
@MετάEd Well, I'd be happy to reopen it if you edited the question to address Reg's concern about it.
@Mitch Not Applicable?
17:52
How am I playing games with Ed's head?
If you so wish.
ha ha, no, North America.
Oh, then read my limerick later. Or earlier, whatever.
noted
Mitch, remind me to mention you in the next one I write.
David Wallace rhymes lim'ricks with ease
(Which is surely some type of disease)
It's just part of the cost
When some bet you have lost
And your home is the antipodes.
17:57
Disclaimer: I have nothing against New Zealand or any part of the southern hemisphere.
@MετάEd There lived an old man in Mumbai / Whose dick would drip on to his thigh / He’d gotten those sores / From rent boys and whores: / A feast for each starved passing fly.
@Robusto Haha, no, I liked it.
@Robusto Too bad he screwed up the scansion.
@tchrist How'd I screw up the scansion?
@Robusto You didn’t. He did.
18:00
awaits tchrist's masterpiece
@tchrist I did not. Mine scans perfectly.
And I still want to know how I'm playing games with Ed's head.
HAhaha
I think you have to give the writer the benefit of the doubt, and give KitFox a stressed first syllable and an unstressed second one. (Never mind that KitFox is a veritable ball of stress ...)
I FEEL FINE!
squirrel
giggles
18:02
I always stress KitFox on the first syllable. My birthday video (which I'm not going to bother finding) proves it.
I hear it as two equal stresses, but I'm flexible like that.
I'm just very well-balanced that way.
@DavidWallace Your first and last lines are nothing like each other. The last line is wrong: it should scan just like the first line.
Keep that up and I'll rhyme Perl with squirrel when I write one for you.
Limericks are trivial. Even a child could do them.
Double dactyls, though: now that takes work.
18:05
awaits tchrist's perfect limerick
@KitFox I improved Ed’s.
pfft
There was a young lad named Targaryen
Who hoped that his aunt would soon marry him.
 ⁠ ⁠ ⁠ ⁠ ⁠ ⁠  Like lightning he fell
 ⁠ ⁠ ⁠ ⁠ ⁠ ⁠  On Storm’s End, they tell,
 As quick as Lord Beric Dondarrion.
@tchrist No, you've either written an answer to Matt's, or you've totally ruined the last line of mine.
Oh.
Right.
Long-short-short, long-short-short
Dactyls in dimeter,
Verse form with choriambs
(Masculine rhyme):

One sentence (two stanzas)
Hexasyllabically
Challenges poets who
Don't have the time.
18:08
@tchrist Gee, you're right. I clearly know nothing about scansion.
Would you like to learn?
I can teach you.
A lot of people can get this wrong.
@tchrist OK, and I'll teach you about irony.
Your what hurts?
When you have corrected your scansion, I will know that you have learned the lesson.
And not before.
Hasta.
Isn't that just like @Matt, always starting controversies.
One day, I had nothing to do
so I asked Mr Shiny and New
"As you enter our lair,
if we're all chatting there,
Would it hurt to say How do you do?"
18:19
None of you has a name that fits well in a double dactyl.
@KitFox True, but he may not start them like you do. I wouldn’t stress about it though.
Qui, moi?
Sure.
@KitFox I'm just a full of contrarian ideas
Nuh-uh.
I bet you’re a CONtroversy sort, never a conTROVersy sort.
So you may start controversies differently than he does.
18:25
BOther. My PC just suddenly started making strange kissing noises, and I can't work out which application is doing it. I must have a virus.
... starting controversies. You want to antagonize me [expletive deleted] , antagonize me [expletive deleted]. Get in the ring [expletive deleted] and I'll kick your [expletive deleted] little [expletive deleted].
@KitFox Sweetheart, you’re missing the point, alas.
And now you know the kind of music I used to listen to in high school.
@tchrist No, you're just not making one.
And it's a quotation.
The one I think of when I think of the phrase "starting controversy."
Got it!
At least it didn't go down on me.
@KitFox .... punk!
18:29
Thank you.
appreciates Mr. Shiny
One day I came into the chat
But my database crashed, just like that
With indexes to mend
I neglected my friends
But I waved with a tip of my hat.
retracts limerick
@DavidWallace Oh I know all about that. I had a 'friend' once with scansion. Took a month to get over. Couldn't bear to drink milk for a year after that.
Did you really want to know what I think about the difference between lynching and shooting?
Or did you catch up sufficiently on the transcript?
@DavidWallace I'll teach you how to be cryptonic.
18:35
squirrel
giggles
Higgledy-piggledy
Starting controversies
Isn’t a job to be
Lightly whipped off.

Grab someone’s chain and yank
Indefatiguably
Till they are fuming and
You can slip off.
Indefatiguably...how do you stress that?
@KitFox me? well, caught up in the sense that I read it. But made sense exactly of who said what I don't know. Re lynching, that's just a personal misunderstanding of mine in general, I don't get why lynching is a thing that is some how different than plain murder.
@KitFox You have to stress it the way the meter demands, just like conTROVersies. Hence the point.
@KitFox I always put weight on "fat".
18:37
in-DEF-uh-TIHG-uh-BLEE
You may think we're infected with rabies,
Or some of you, possibly scabies;
    But you really should know
    That the true status quo
Is that Earth is afflicted with babies.
@Mitch Well, we didn't really cover that, but lynching is a mob mentality. To me, that's worse.
Murder ought to be a personal thing.
@KitFox But now I'm wondering how in the hell "My PC just suddenly started making strange kissing noises". What kind of computer is that?
Rule 34.
@Mitch Waffles or pancakes?
18:39
waffles
@KitFox I'd take it personally... With a lynch mob, I'd think oh it's just peer pressure?
@Mitch Oh, I had a web page open in another tab, that somebody sent me a link to. It was trying to sell me free emoticons, probably with viruses included.
@Mitch I'd rather be killed by the overwhelming passion of one person than by the mindless violence of a crowd.
@KitFox they both have their place? depends on the kind of pancakes? you need a waffle iron to make waffles so pancakes much easier? Are we talking about lynching vs murder still?
Yes. Yes. Yes. No.
18:41
@Mitch It's worse than simple murder because its perpetrators and the general society take it as a matter of course, and even enjoy it as a "good time had by all" (except for the victims, of course). They smile at the events and send postcards bragging about the "barbecues" they had.
@DavidWallace ha ha. makes note on how to mess with people
@KitFox Oh good, but this may lead me to leave for a 'snack'.
I thought you had rules about these things.
@Mitch The thing is, I opened it several hours ago, and it only started kissing me just now.
By 'snack' I mean snack. I just had lunch but am starving.
@KitFox we can talk all day about 'pancakes' and 'waffles'.
I thought you'd prefer it to hash. Or rehash in this case.
18:43
@DavidWallace um...that is one special webpage.
@DavidWallace It wanted to get to know you first.
There's a million stars in the sky.
@KitFox oh. hash is entirely a different thing. there's -lots- of variety there and some are realy good and some are not wortht the effort of chewing.
True, true.
My dad made the best hash.
@KitFox From here you can see eternity?
I feel a song coming on.
18:44
He'd have been 64 tomorrow.
Nope, that was gas.
@KitFox that's young.
for nowadays at least.
@KitFox Mmmm, that reminds me. I should make corned beef hash. But first I need to make corned beef.
@KitFox that's not punk.
That's the one I was thinking of.
I'll make everything alraight.
18:46
Amy?
Amie.
oh. I don't know how to read.
@KitFox reading lyrics so the guy is just whining about some girl who dumped him?
What? For Amie? I don't know. Different song that I associate with the bitch ex-sister-in-law.
Mitch, I'm sorry. I know I promised you a limerick. But the only two rhymes I can think of for your name make me think uncharitable thoughts about a certain somebody. Maybe when I'm in a better mood! :-)
Oh that's personal. Go on...
@DavidWallace You did? That's nice. But yes, I used to be tormented as a young child with all sorts of rhymes. And amazingly none of them were female dogs. Because you know, they can't speak.
"Pile in the ditch Mitch" they used to call me.
After that, I'd just shoot a man just to see him die.
18:51
Mitcher, Mitcher, underwear stitcher.
Sillier-Fillier
Our local janitrix
Learned about life at the
School of hard knocks.

Schooled though she once was in
Neurobiology
Now she can only be
Pinged as KitFox.
Couldn't get out of a wooden pitcher
I' am mostly an adult now. I can take it.
55 mins ago, by David Wallace
Mitch, remind me to mention you in the next one I write.
@KitFox Did you two go to the same school?
Maybe.
18:52
If it ever works out, make sure there's a helicopter involved and explosions and .. and .. and... make sure no matter what that the dog survives.
Hepidopter.
giggles
@DavidWallace If by same school you mean the school of life then no, no I didn't go to that school.
What's a hepidopter?
I don't wanna google for that.
It's how my eldest used to say helicopter.
@KitFox Mine used to say "hep-tep-topter" when he was about 15 mos. old.
18:56
oh. that's funny. mine used to say 'rubbeduh' for elephant.
awaits more double dactyls
dum diddy dum diddy dum diddly dum.
did you see what I did there?
you know with the 'diddly'?
That is poetry.
Not worthy of even a poetaster.
Eating poets is wrong.
It’s ok if they’re dead.
18:59
and not someone you know.

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