English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

tchrist

13:00

Kevin.

Kayvon.

Robusto

@MattЭллен When the bow breaks, the treacle will fall.

tchrist

Kefter.

Kaching.

Eesex.

Robusto

Dutch treacle. Hmm, I wonder if the stroop relates to the strap in blackstrap molasses.

Matt Эллен

does it write red in yellow ink?

tchrist

King Stroop.

Skippy.

Elvis.

Robusto

13:07

@MattЭллен The Duke of Gloucester put paid to that name, didn't he?

KitFox

> You do not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials that you supplied.

lolwhut?

tchrist

I think it is completely lameass that Chuckie will change his regnal name from Charles III.

Ya gotsta play the hand that was dealcha, doncha know.

KitFox

He hasn't decided for sure.

And he's trying to be proper and such.

Robusto

My vote is for Clown Shoes. King Clown Shoes I. Named after the microbrew of the same name.

Matt Эллен

@Robusto huh. I guess so. He looks a bit like Linus Torvalds, but older.

tchrist

13:13

I mean, do we really really need yet another George?

Robusto

tchrist

James would be better, to cement the Scots.

Matt Эллен

@tchrist and the hand he's been dealt is one that allows name changes. He's not the first

KitFox

Oh, tramp stamp. Delicious.

Robusto

Who couldn't love a beer named "Clown Shoes Tramp Stamp"?

tchrist

13:13

@MattЭллен He would be if he chose a better name.

KitFox

I considered getting a tag like that myself.

Now my ass is a bit too wide to make it look good.

Robusto

Bigger tat.

KitFox

I thought maybe a dragon on the other side instead.

Broke it, then fixed it. Thank you, Hg.

Robusto

Mercurial saves the day again.

KitFox

My own damn fault for deleting files out of the wrong directory. I guess I'm still tired from the trip to Beantown.

tchrist

13:19

MyWood is still drivelling:

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A: Why use "of" in the phrase "delivered of a baby"?

No doubt flowery wording is a combination of tradition and an attempt to assuage the English-language snobs who believe the wordier the message, the more "elevated" it must be. Personally, I'd like to deliver whoever wrote the note of his/her pretentious snobbery.

Robusto

Deliver me from news about the royals and their brats.

tchrist

Sed libera nos a malo filiosque.

KitFox

I get foolish about the British royals. It's the one bit of gossip that ensnares me every time.

tchrist

$ sed -es/royals//g

That way it says sedes. :)

Robusto

@KitFox I am immune to that particular virus.

KitFox

13:30

Naturally. You're a man.

And now it's a meeting for me, and then some vast code pruning.

Ping me if you need me.

RegDwighт

LOL it took you a full two days to start starring the two-studs message. But you did. So predictable. So predictable.

Robusto

Don't blame me. I never star that knee-jerk shit.

RegDwighт

I don't blame you (but for the record: you don't get to tell me when I do).

Robusto

For the record, the idiomatic usage of "don't blame me" is not to be taken as a literal command.

RegDwighт

I might blame you as soon as in the next thirteen minutes. Or even years. And there's nothing you can do. MWUAHAHAHA.

@Robusto I blame you for not telling me earlier.

Robusto

13:40

Always playing the blame game.

RegDwighт

I try, but I'm not anywhere as good as Wesley Snipes.

Matt Эллен

Wesley snipes, does he? I'm sure Picard won't approve.

RegDwighт

He's quite a crusher, too.

Matt Эллен

So long as he doesn't crush my head.

RegDwighт

Not before around 2364.

In fact, unlike the Royal Baby, he won't be born before July 29, 2349.

Matt Эллен

13:47

lol

but he could travel back in time to become his own uncle

tchrist

MyWood’s gone and edited in more peeving. Should we leave it to garner more downvotes, edit out the peeving, or just delete the answer forthwith?

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A: Why use "of" in the phrase "delivered of a baby"?

No doubt the flowery wording is a combination of tradition and an attempt to assuage the English-language hoity-toities who are under the impression that the wordier the message, the more value it has in the esteem of upper clahsses. Personally, I'd like to deliver whoever wrote the note of his/...

RegDwighт

That is entirely my fault. I should have protected this MC bait.

tchrist

Woody had enough reps (barely) to get past the Circle of Protection.

RegDwighт

There, with four answers gone it'll be off the collider in a minute.

tchrist

Ah.

Good idea.

RegDwighт

13:55

It's a good question, mind you. But there's only so much you can say.

tchrist

sed libera nos a malo > but deliver us from evil

RegDwighт

From the Lord's Prayer ("Book of Common Prayer", 1662): "But deliver us from evil." Meaning free [us from], rid [us of]. — Nicholas yesterday

tchrist

There’s a “free” root involved in both liverations.

liverance, deliver, deliberate, liberate, liberal, liberty, libertine, livery, collibert

But not slivery, pilliver, liverwort, Oliver, biliverdin, caliver, calibered.

liber [ˈlaɪbə(r)]. Bot.
Etymology: L. liber bark.
The inner bark of exogens; bast. Also attrib.

Huh.

misˈliver. rare or Obs.
Etymology: mis-[entry#1] (def#5).
A person of evil life; an evil liver.

Matt Эллен

14:18

I think my liver thinks I'm an misliver

RegDwighт

Then I saw her face, oh I'm a misliver.

Matt Эллен

RegDwighт

14:45

Unicorns will be unicorns.

Balrogs will be balrogs.

Matt Эллен

It's your balrog and it'll fly if it wants to

RegDwighт

You would fly, too, if it happened to you!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

So Reg did you see the train I posted?

RegDwighт

15:02

Oh yes I did.

I didn't quite realize how huge the thing is compared to the circle radius.

I kind of envisioned a square meter accomodating way more than just that. But the tracks take up the lion's share of the space.

I imagined a rectangle with rounded corners, but you pretty much have to work with a circle.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Well, in order to achieve 1 train-height's elevation in a "circle" I will have to make it more like a rounded rectangle.

or rounded square, anyway

And that angle is just about the maximum that the train can climb. It makes it to the top, but barely.

If the train were any longer/heavier, it wouldn't make it at all.

RegDwighт

Well, that's quite realistic, actually.

I think the actual limitation on actual trams in our city is like 6% or something.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I'd rather have a gentler slope that the train climbs more easily, or else a stronger train. The train can go quite fast on the flats but it barely chugs along on the slope.

RegDwighт

Ah. I was wondering.

Because you specifically mentioned yesterday how powerful it was.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

When I watch it climb I am mentally urging it on: "I think I can, I think I can".

RegDwighт

15:13

Haha I know that feeling.

Well, you do have like six cars in there. If I can call a locomotive a car.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

yeah

RegDwighт

Perhaps that's the thing, you should motorize both locomotives.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I plan to canibalize the red train in order to motorize the green locomotive. Then make a couple passenger cars for the green train. But I only have the one motor.

* (so far)

KitFox

Hoy!

Locally-grown kale in my salad today.

RegDwighт

Nat King Kale.

KitFox

15:21

Didn't he sing "Kelp Me, Rhonda"?

RegDwighт

Yes, it was subliminal Honda advertising.

And it worked. Just look where they were back then and where they are now.

Matt Эллен

in cars

KitFox

do do do, do do do

RegDwighт

Nope, I looked in the car and it wasn't there.

KitFox

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Johan Larsson

15:27

Today was a perfect day, 23°C and refreshing wind from the north. Spent 8 hours at a beach no one knows about.

RegDwighт

@JohanLarsson you mean you lay down on the main street in a bikini?

Matt Эллен

@KitFox I feel like a nu man

KitFox

:D

RegDwighт

KitFox

I don't feel that [colon-capital d] expresses my grin appropriately.

Matt Эллен

15:29

lol

Johan Larsson

@RegDwighт nope :D

KitFox

How's that holoprojection coming along, @Matt? I could really use a working model by Friday.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox My favourite Gary Numan song: youtube.com/watch?v=MMKjxeHwyic

KitFox

That doesn't sound like Gary Numan.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

no but it's his song

KitFox

15:42

winks

RegDwighт

commutes

Robusto

16:28

@JohanLarsson Nah. 72°F is perfection. 73.4 is just a tad on the warm side, but within acceptable limits.

Johan Larsson

The wind from the north put a cherry on top, not one mosquito, just sun, sun, sun.

Robusto

TIL:

> ADG is a three-letter abbreviation that may refer to ... the United States Navy hull classification symbol for "degaussing ship"

I have no idea what a degaussing ship would be doing. I know it must involve demagnetizing, but demagnetizing what?

Cerberus

@Robusto That is indeed a very good temperature.

MετάEd

@Robusto The hull.

KitFox

@Robusto My grandfather was a hull degausser.

Robusto

16:35

But why do hulls need degaussing?

KitFox

Particularly important on a mine sweeper.

Magnetic mines.

Mitch

@Robusto To get to the other side?

Robusto

Oh, mines. smacks forehead

Mitch

Oh, I thought it was to prevent barnacles.

Really.

Robusto

That would be expensive: quite a barnacle bill, yeah?

Mitch

16:36

So why do firemen wear red suspenders?

MετάEd

Degaussing

Degaussing is the process of decreasing or eliminating a remnant magnetic field. It is possibly named after the Gauss unit of magnetism, which in turn is named after Carl Friedrich Gauss. Due to magnetic hysteresis it is generally not possible to reduce a magnetic field completely to zero, so degaussing typically induces a very small "known" field referred to as bias. Degaussing was originally applied to reduce ships' magnetic signatures during WWII. Degaussing is also used to reduce magnetic fields in CRT monitors and to destroy the data on magnetic media. Degaussing ships' hulls The t...

Mitch

To keep from setting off mines.

MετάEd

@Mitch Because they can.

Mitch

"possibly named after the Gauss unit of magnetism".. how could it be anything else?

MετάEd

@Robusto I have one word for you: run.

Mitch

16:38

Don't feed the punners.

Robusto

@MετάEd Nyah-nyah. Can't catch me! sticks out tongue

MετάEd

@Mitch It could be just about anything field related, I Gauss.

@Mitch I have no idea watt you mean.

Robusto

Erg!

Stop stealing my joullery.

KitFox

thwacks the whole damn lot of you

Mitch

Posting to ELU coming up... "What is a single word for the audible groan one makes when hearing a soul destroying pun?"

Robusto

16:43

♪ And it seems to me / you lived your life / like a luminous intensity, in a given direction, of a source that emits monochromatic radiation of frequency 540×1012 hertz and that has a radiant intensity in that direction of 1⁄683 watt per steradian in the wind. ♪

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@Mitch Because that's what communists do.

Mitch

@Robusto wow. I can't pun like that. It's way above my pascal.

Matt Эллен

17:01

@KitFox Sure... I just need some um holobeads for the projectertron matrix. They're pretty hard to come by. It'll take a while to align the matrix to the inverse photon dejiggliator, too. I'l give it my best shot, though.

KitFox

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Robusto

17:17

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How English sounds to pineapples.

KitFox

I often wonder.

Pretty sure I've seen that movie before.

Funny how Scandinavian it sounds when you can't really understand the words.

Robusto

The vocal cadence is different from Scandinavian.

KitFox

17:32

It's not a very English-style film.

Hmm. Though I'm probably biased because of my Americanness.

David Wallace

@Mitch What does an inaudible groan sound like?

@Robusto Definitely American non-English.

David Wallace

18:01

@KitFox He was clearly set up by the postal worker. Nobody in New Zealand is called Hortense.

Johan Larsson

@DavidWallace it sounds like pain, tastes like defeat

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tchrist

Yeah, it doesn’t have that grating nasal singsong to it. Normal stuff.

Mitch

@DavidWallace I think you're expecting way too much sense here.

tchrist

I really like the skwirl-whorl.

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Never realized what a good shibboleth squirrels were!

KitFox

18:17

squibble? squwell?

Ten drunk Germans.

tchrist

Yeah, maybe they’re drunk. I’ve never heard Germans murdalate English that badly before. @Reg Is that how they talk where you are? :)

Matt Эллен

some of them were saying squirrel. I think it's unfair for American's to judge, since you guys mispronounce it for normal

tchrist

Your what hurts?

Matt Эллен

/ˈskwɪr(ə)l/

tchrist

I’ve heard Stephen Fry say squirrel. He can do it if he wants to.

MετάEd

18:20

@DavidWallace Wrong question. "What's the antonym of audible groan?"

tchrist

@MattЭллен Er, of course.

I don’t know about the /i/.

I think the problem is the vocalic r.

Matt Эллен

oh, that's probably the skrewy pronunciation notation of ODO

tchrist

And why do you have a stress mark? It’s not like it has more than one syllable. :)

Matt Эллен

har har. I think you see my point :D

tchrist

Naw. It’s just [skʷɻ̩ːɫ]. How hard can that be?

Gotta round the /r/.

And hold it.

And swallow the /l/

KitFox

18:27

wants to hear you guys say squirrel.

tchrist

And get through the /w/ quickly.

KitFox

Hmm, hey, also, if I wanted to share some functions between ... eh. Neither of you knows ASP stuff, do you?

Matt Эллен

not really

tchrist

Retro me, Satanas.

MετάEd

@tchrist Hey, Rocky!

Matt Эллен

18:28

@KitFox what is the problem?

tchrist

That’d do it.

MετάEd

(Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.)

KitFox

@MετάEd mental jinx.

MετάEd

@KitFox minx

tchrist

Vixen!

MετάEd

18:30

@tchrist Donder!

KitFox

@MattЭллен I have two custom classes, but a lot of the functions overlap. I am not sure how to manage this code in a web app. I'd use a module for a desktop application. I think. But it's been so long since I wrote that stuff...Anyway, seems there ought to be an easier way to do it.

Matt Эллен

squirrel

KitFox

giggles like mad

Matt Эллен

:D

@KitFox maybe extract the common functionality into a subclass?

KitFox

I don't think I can do that. The one class is a base class for a page, the other for a user control.

Stupid things making me think about stuff today.

tchrist

18:33

@KitFox Just inherit from both of them.

Matt Эллен

damn those things

KitFox

@tchrist Hahahaha.

tchrist

Are you chewing gum or something?

Seems the obvious solution. Happens all the time.

KitFox

Oh. You were serious.

.Net does not support multiple inheritance.

tchrist

Of course.

The fuck?

Matt Эллен

18:35

it's true

tchrist

I just love languages that GET IN YOUR WAY.

FTN

KitFox

blogs.msdn.com/b/dachou/archive/2008/04/17/…

There.

tchrist

Dumb thing.

That’s just asinine.

And I don’t mean that in a good way.

Misdesign.

Stack Exchange

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tchrist

@KitFox Then you have to do a bunch of bull with two contained classes and delegation.

It probably doesn’t support enough introspection/reflection to do that easily and cleanly though. Of course.

KitFox

18:37

@StackExchange That's so sad. But haploidy doesn't prevent copulation.

tchrist

So you’ll have to hardwire everything.

KitFox

@tchrist So you see the difficulty.

I think I can create a library.

Then import it.

tchrist

Aren’t you glad they thought they were smarter than you? Gosh.

You make a new class that has two fields/members/properties/instance-data on it, each of one of those two classes.

KitFox

Well, it's nice how they keep me from burning my fingers by serving all the food raw.

tchrist

Yeah.

Well put.

Then write all the methods with the same names and signatures for your class, and have them just call the right thing on one of those two members.

It’s annoying.

KitFox

18:38

But complaining about it doesn't solve my problem.

tchrist

I was trying to solve your problem.

KitFox

So...I could make a new class, but I don't want to frig with all those things.

tchrist

class Mix { TypeA A_instance; TypeB B_instance }

That kind of thing.

@KitFox Don’t blame you.

KitFox

The point is, the stuff they have in common doesn't need to be duplicated.

And I don't want to merge them and have to write in a bunch of overrides.

tchrist

Because it would be tedious and hardcoded, and it assumes you actually know all the stuff you need to override.

KitFox

18:40

Yes, exactly.

So there must be a way to incorporate the code some other way. I just have to figure it out.

tchrist

Which is why multiple inheritance is sometimes the best solution.

Good luck.

KitFox

I don't disagree.

Matt Эллен

what you can do instead is make a class that has the overlap in it and take those parts out of the other classes and added the new class in as a member of the other two classes

tchrist

No, seriously. I wish you good luck. You’re stuck in a hard place. This happens in Java all the time.

KitFox

@MattЭллен y u maek brane herted?

tchrist

18:42

But you can support multiple interfaces in Java, just not direct multiple inheritance. They seem to think these are different. :)

Matt Эллен

Class C{}
Class B {Public C {get;set;}}
Class A {Public C {get;set;}}

@tchrist it's the same in C# and VB.NET

tchrist

@MattЭллен Too much malarky. But really, it’s the lack of function pointers that makes those languages unusable to me.

Matt Эллен

but I think Iron Python can do multiple inheritance, since Python allows it

tchrist

Technically, both Python and Perl only do what static languages call interfaces.

Matt Эллен

@tchrist C# has delegates and all sorts. it makes function pointers seem like hard work.

tchrist

18:44

fn(array, function)

Apply that function to each element of that array.

Matt Эллен

can do that in C# (and I assume VB.NET)

except that the function has to be typed

tchrist

What, you don’t have generics?

Matt Эллен

yes, but they're still types

tchrist

Still seems painful.

Matt Эллен

it can be a bit

tchrist

18:46

Trying to figure out how to declare the signature for fn() such that you can get both an array of FOO and a function that takes a FOO for all possible FOO is always brainfucking in those kinds of languages.

Mahnax

Hiya tchrist. Given any thought to barbershop recently?

tchrist

I bet @Mahnax can say squirrel.

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@Mahnax Had a concert of cover songs yesterday. :)

Lots of [mu:s] & [skʷɻ̩ːɫ] there.

KitFox

Oh FFS. Sometimes I worry about my sanity.

tchrist

@Mahnax I couldn’t really sing the outer two parts, and am not great as a bari either. Would need confederates.

KitFox

I think there were lots of volunteers, weren't there @cornbread?

tchrist

18:51

I think Ed volunteered to be bari.

KitFox

I can sing tenor.

tchrist

Er, you’re a girl.

Mahnax

I can record squirrel if you want.

tchrist

Ain’t the same resonance.

KitFox

Yeah? So?

I can pretend I'm a man.

tchrist

18:52

demures

KitFox

crosses arms, thrusts out pelvis

tchrist

@KitFox I’m not sure that would turn my head.

KitFox

I doubt I'm your type.

Too slight and not enough passion for unicode.

tchrist

Do you wear makeup?

KitFox

Not usually.

tchrist

18:53

Gosh, I’m upsidedowning.

@KitFox Well, that’s one down, and five to go. :)

Mahnax

Can you folks listen to m4a files?

KitFox

You've seen my picture.

@Mahnax ...maybe.

Try it.

Mahnax

Silly Quicktime won't output in mp3.

OK.

KitFox

Anyway, turns out I can create and import a standalone class.

tchrist

@KitFox Well, I wouldn’t kick you out of bed or anything, but I’m always considerate like that.

KitFox

18:54

So I was just being thickheaded.

Mahnax

dropbox.com/s/adv4ofzrdcu5wd5/squirrel.m4a

KitFox

@tchrist Well. Thanks.

tchrist

@KitFox What’s the trick?

Robusto

@Mahnax Yeah, on my iPod. Apart from that, no.

Mahnax

@Robusto OK. How 'bout mpg?

KitFox

18:55

@Mahnax Yep, no sweat. You sound very normal!

tchrist

@KitFox It’s a line from Hair.

Mahnax

@KitFox Wow, normal!

Hear that, mom?

Normal!

Mediator

hello. How will want explain me conditional (first, second and third)???

KitFox

@tchrist There isn't one.

@Mediator Um. What?

Robusto

@Mahnax That's a video format.

Mahnax

18:56

@Robusto Yeah, I know.

VLC isn't helping here either. Does it do conversions?

Robusto

I believe I can run those in QuickTime 7. Don't remember offhand.

tchrist

@Mahnax That’s the ticket.

VLC does it for me.

KitFox

I can listen to .m4a with Win Media Player.

Mediator

@KitFox ell.stackexchange.com/questions/8355/… I created post.

tchrist

You have a deep voice. Guess you won’t be our tenor.

Robusto

18:58

Oh. I guess I had it backwards. You can't listen to .wmp files on the Mac. Or something. I only use mp3 anyway, for purposes of LCD.

KitFox

@Mediator I don't know what first/second/third conditional means. Your sentences are close, but mostly wrong.

> If he was*n't* ~~isn't~~ so busy, he would gladly take s his children

tchrist

1/2/3 cond is an ELS shortcut to help NNS not make classic NNS errors, but it only covers a small portion of the possibilities.

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