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3:33 PM

@Robusto Were those small ants or those 1 cm long black big ants? (They are typically attracted to grains/wheat here. When it's on open space like on floor.)

One of them would check the situation and then she'll go and call her whole family and then military.

@Vikas Small red ones. What are generally referred to as "sweet- or grease-eating ants."

@Robusto Oh, yeah, cardboard!

When friends of my parents lived in Brunei, they had an ant plague in the kitchen.

I think the ants were giant creatures, let's say 1.5 cm long.

When their servant noticed the giant ants, he picked them up with his fingers and ate them alive.

Fire ant

Fire ants are several species of ants in the genus Solenopsis, which includes over 200 species. Solenopsis are stinging ants, and most of their common names reflect this, for example, ginger ants and tropical fire ants. Many of the names shared by this genus are often used interchangeably to refer to other species of ant, such as the term red ant, mostly because of their similar coloration despite not being in the genus Solenopsis. Both Myrmica rubra and Pogonomyrmex barbatus are common examples of non-Solenopsis ants being termed red ants.None of these names apply in all countries nor to all species...

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and some Amazon bottles products too.

Fire ants are little, like maybe a quarter inch. Carpenter ants are much bigger and juicier, like an inch long.

Carpenter ant

Carpenter ants (Camponotus spp.) are large (0.3 to 1 in or 8 to 25 mm) ants indigenous to many forested parts of the world.They build nests inside wood consisting of galleries chewed out with their mandibles, preferably in dead, damp wood. However, unlike termites, they do not consume wood, discarding a material that resembles sawdust. Sometimes, carpenter ants hollow out sections of trees. They also commonly infest wooden buildings and structures, and are a widespread nuisance and major cause of structural damage. Nevertheless, their ability to excavate wood helps in forest decomposition. The...

3:43 PM

@tchrist The photo looks very similar to what we have here in homes.

How is their bite?

@tchrist Well this looks something different.

Or their sting: I think fire ants sting?

@Cerberus Formidable! (Pun intended.)

@Cerberus No. They bite.

They excrete formic acid in their bites.

Hence the pun.

And the fire.

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Q: What ant is this?

I'm really really confused about these ants. Basically they come to our home when grain is on floor or there is something sweet. The lenth is around 7 mm - 10 mm. May vary a bit. The front side is brown. Sometimes almost black. The last node is pure black and shiny. They keep going inside so...

LOL I had asked this 3 years ago.

3:46 PM

Big black carpenter ants are the normal ants that you usually see scampering across your formica floors and playing second fiddle at the jamboree. Evil little red fire ants of death are the ones they have in the hotter and less habitable parts of the country.

I have added some photos there. They are 1 cm big at least.

@Robusto Hah!

Very Latin of you.

So like two per inch?

@Cerberus bows

@Robusto OK.

Then what ants sting?

3:47 PM

@Cerberus That's probably a misconception. Ants don't have stingers. They have mandibles.

These are bigger than I had shared earlier 30 mins ago.

Are these carpenter ants?

@Cerberus Wasps.

@Vikas No. Carpenter ants are black. And bigger than that.

> An ant bite occurs when an ant bites using their mandibles and mouth to pinch human skin. A bite differs from a sting: only female ants have a stinger, the caudal-most part of their bodies. Fire ants grasp the skin (bite) then inject venom with their stinger (which is immediately painful). Yet other species of ants neither bite nor sting, but instead spray formic acid.

3:48 PM

Flying carpenter ants look much like their waspier cousins, but have no stinger.

@Cerberus Interesting.

@Robusto Ok. I have also seen same size but more dark black entirely. They are found on trees.

@Vikas Yes.

So female fire ants bite then sting?

Those dark black must be carpenter ants I think.

3:49 PM

That's a wingèd carpenter ant from West Bengal, India.

I haven't seen it.

@Cerberus Where did you get that? The Wiki article mentions no stingers.

@Robusto Some Indonesian university professor.

> Biting ants

Fire ants - an aggressive species that bites and is not afraid to attack a human being. Also known as red ants.
Sugar ants - small black ants with lines alongside their bodies. Sugar ants have powerful mandibles and their bites can hurt. They are so aggressive that they often engage in battles for territory and will defend it at all costs.
Carpenter ants - this species has strong mandibles that it uses to crush through the timber. The nests of carpenter ants are located in tunnels through damp, or dead wood. The bites could be painful because they have the power to cut throug…

But I get conflicting information from different places.

@Vikas No-see-ums bite the dickens out of you!

Damned midges.

Ceratopogonidae, to be precise.

Hmm this text looks sloppy.

3:52 PM

Paraponera clavata

Paraponera clavata is a species of ant, commonly known as the bullet ant, named for its extremely painful sting. It inhabits humid lowland rainforests in Central and South America. == Etymology == The specific epithet of the ant, clavata, means "club-shaped". The generic name, Paraponera, translates to "near-Ponera". Due to its notoriety, the ant has several Native American, Spanish, and Portuguese local names in different geographical areas. Perhaps the best known name is the Venezuelan hormiga veinticuatro (the "24 ant" or "24-hour ant"), referring to the full day of pain that follows being...

These are the grandaddy of horrible ants.

Ceratopogonidae

Ceratopogonidae is a family of flies commonly known as no-see-ums, or biting midges, generally 1–3 millimetres (5⁄128–15⁄128 in) in length. The family includes more than 5,000 species, distributed worldwide, apart from the Antarctic and the Arctic. Ceratopogonidae are holometabolous, meaning their development includes four life stages: egg, larva, pupa, and imago or adult. Most common species in warmer climates will take about two to six weeks to complete a life cycle. Both adult males and females feed on nectar. Most females also feed on the blood of vertebrates, including humans, to get protein...

The one I shared which enter kitchen often bite you but it's not that painful and doesn't remove skin or blood visible. But it's irritating and causes strong itch for few seconds.

However the 1 cm bigger one removes a tiny portion of your skin so a red blood spot is often visible on your skin. And that is more painful.

> Unlike many other ants, which bite and then spray acid on the wound, fire ants bite only to get a grip and then sting (from the abdomen) and inject a toxic alkaloid venom called solenopsin, a compound from the class of piperidines.

From Wikipedia.

@tchrist These pester New England.

@Vikas Yuck.

3:53 PM

@Cerberus OK, this I did not know. I had always assumed the acid was administered in a bite.

@Cerberus One "ate" my friends leg so he killed it in childhood XD He said "What damage did I cause to you you moron".

It's nothing serious but irritating experience.

@Robusto And the Midge-water Marshes that Aragorn took the hobbits through after leaving Bree.

Probably got chiggers, too.

@Robusto They're varied and complicated creatures.

Indeed.

@Robusto So I think that is the right term for those small ants? Because they are mainly attracted to sugar and food.

3:57 PM

@Vikas It is an informal term. Not a scientific one.

But chiggers are arachnids I think.

@Robusto The scientific is I think fire ant which tchrist shared. And it includes all sizes I think.

Like ticks and spider mites.

And scorpions.

And those vinegar thingies.

It seems the bullet ant also stings.

@Vikas Fire refers to the sting. There are plenty of red ants that don't sting.

3:58 PM

Perhaps the most painful ants do.

@Cerberus Yes, they refer to its stinger in initiation rituals in the Amazon.

Trombiculidae

Trombiculidae (); commonly referred to as chiggers, but also known as spider mites, berry bugs, harvest mites, bush-mites, red bugs or scrub-itch mites, are a family of mites. Chiggers are often confused with jiggers - a type of flea. Several species of Trombiculidae in their larva stage bite their animal or human host and by embedding their mouthparts into the skin cause "intense irritation" or "a wheal, usually with severe itching and dermatitis",Trombiculidae live in forests and grasslands and are also found in the vegetation of low, damp areas such as woodlands, berry bushes, orchards, along...

Chiggers'll bite the bejeebewitz out of you.

Yeah I have been bitten by tiny ants but their color is very light. And they cause real pain. We call them "burnt ants".

I think "ant" is fine word. Need not to overthink.

> Trombiculidae, from Greek τρομειν ("to tremble") and Latin culex, genitive culicis ("gnat" or "midge"), was first described as an independent family by Henry Ellsworth Ewing in 1944.

Chiggers drill inside you and set up house.

Much worse than regular carpenter ants. And you'll never see them.

If an ant is on your belly it is anterior. On your butt, though, it is posterior.

4:02 PM

Sea scorpions.

> In French, harvest mites are called aoûtat because they are common in August.

We knew not to swim under the piers after the Fourth of July. Otherwise you have several awful days wearing nail polish on every chigger bite awaiting.

Nail polish?

Does that help?

> Home remedies to "suffocate" the mite, such as applying clear nail polish, rubbing alcohol, or bleach, may have little benefit since the mites do not burrow into the skin. However, since the mite may still be attached for up to 3 days, these treatments could possibly kill the mite, reducing further damage.

It's what we did. The itching was awful.

Hmm.

Wouldn't that result in possible infections, trapping the mite under nail polish?

Was there no way to remove the mites?

Nothing seemed to work except for that medicated lotion containing diphenhydramine, an antihistamine drug.

4:11 PM

I see.

And that just reduced the desire to itch them.

With ticks, you know you should never use alcohol nor kill them in any way.

Nor suffocate them.

Although I'm not 100% sure what will happen when you bathe.

I suspect it won't help.

> According to an Ohio State University Extension Fact Sheet:[35]

... After returning from a chigger-infested area, launder the field clothes in soapy, hot water (125°F.) ... As soon as possible, take a good hot bath or shower and soap repeatedly. The chiggers may be dislodged, but you will still have the stylostomes, causing the severe itch. Scratching deep to remove stylostomes can cause secondary infections. For temporary relief of itching, apply ointments of benzocaine, hydrocortisone, calamine lotion, New Skin, After Bite, or others recommended by your pharmacist or medical doctor. ..…

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> Because chigger wounds are a complex combination of enzymatic and the resulting mechanical damage, plus allergy and immune responses, plus possible secondary bacterial infection subject to local influences, no one remedy works equally well for most people.

The chiggers' digestive enzymes in the saliva cause "the intensely itchy welts".[32] The itching can be alleviated through use of over-the-counter topical corticosteroids and antihistamines. According to Mayo Clinic, the chiggers "fall off after a few days, leaving behind red, itchy welts", which normally heal on their own within one t…

It could be so bad you swore never to go outside again.

> Chiggers attach to the host, pierce the skin, inject enzymes into the bite wound that digest cellular contents,[23] and then suck up the digested tissue through a tube formed by hardened skin cells called a stylostome.[24] They do not burrow into the skin or suck blood, as is commonly assumed.

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Woohoo!

And I don't know Spanish.

@tchrist Would tretenoin ointment help?

Is that a corticosteroid?

4:30 PM

@Cerberus I don't think so. I think it's a Vitamin A precursor.

The infestations of childhood are legion.

OK.

Retinol is used for acne, I think. I never did.

> Tretinoin is a medication used to treat acne and sun-damaged skin. It can't erase deep wrinkles, but it can help improve the appearance of surface wrinkles, fine lines, and darks spots. Tretinoin is also known as retinoic acid. It's the generic name for synthetic vitamin A. It's sold under many different brand names.

I knew somebody who did though.

There were always scabies infestations circulating in the schools.

> Scabies is an infestation of the skin by the human itch mite (Sarcoptes scabiei var. hominis). The microscopic scabies mite burrows into the upper layer of the skin where it lives and lays its eggs. The most common symptoms of scabies are intense itching and a pimple-like skin rash.

And as little kids, all these various cooties ran together in our minds. We hated them all.

Ah.

So scabies is also mites.

Maybe domesticated kids don't get afflicted by outdoor pests any longer. I don't know.

I don't think I ever had any such parasites as a child.

Only ticks.

4:34 PM

Bad enough.

And the occasional flea from our cats.

The cats also brought in many of the ticks we had.

They roam free through fields and woods.

You could get chigger bites in the wet grass that carried ticks as well. You always had to check every round millimeter coming in from playing outside.

I read that most tick bites are incurred from gardening here.

Checking for ticks, I meant.

Yeah, nowadays I always check my skin after being in the country.

It has been a while since my last tick.

4:36 PM

Probably they're incurred while gardening because children don't play outside any longer.

I rather meant, most tick bites are incurred in one's own garden.

So this probably includes gardening parents and playing children.

Though I had my own little garden in our garden.

I often feel them clawing their way up my calves when I've been out and about. You get them off you and ritually sacrifice them as a burnt offering to whatever heathen godling suits your fancy, and then for the rest of the season you're constantly hallucinating their itchy legs upon yours.

I've never felt them except their bites!

I have had a string of bites in a row, with the tick stuck in the last.

I've noticed them crawling on me while lying in bed quietly.

So apparently their bites may fail.

4:39 PM

Which makes you immediately wonder about the ones you didn't perceive.

I have seen but not felt them crawling.

Yes.

I always think I feel them for a while after having removed one.

The hair on my legs seems to be falling out in my old age, though, so I don't know if I would still feel them tickling it.

Are you sure you've actually felt them?

I don't really understand it. It's not like the hair on my arms is falling out. But my legs are increasingly bare. Maybe I wear pants too much.

Yes, I absolutely have.

Because I thought I was imagining it completely, but then found them upon inspection.

You don't notice them on you when you're out adventuring. Their signal is too faint to overcome the ambient signals everywhere.

At that point, I spend a very long time inspecting the cats.

Covid rates are five times what they were a year ago. But few people are taking precautions this year.

Perhaps those are related.

My county has a 12% test positivity rate. That's rather high. And we have like a hundred thousand people visiting this weekend for the big race and all.

Crowds are scary.

> At least 11 mass shootings so far during holiday weekend
And since the Uvalde shooting on Tuesday, there have been at least 14 other shootings that had four victims or more.

For more reasons than one.

Only 11 mass shootings so far this weekend. Isn't that something!

5:00 PM

> Russia will cut off gas supplies to the Netherlands on Tuesday, the Dutch-backed trader GasTerra said on Monday after the company refused to pay supplier Gazprom in roubles, in the latest escalation of the energy payments row with the west.

I imagine the contract had specified the type of currency required for payment.

> GasTerra, which buys and trades gas on behalf of the Dutch government, said in a statement that it had “anticipated” Russia’s moves to cut off gas and has bought “elsewhere” some of the 2 billion cubic metres of gas it had expected to receive from Gazprom through October.

Around 44% of Dutch energy usage is based on gas, but only about 15% of Dutch gas comes from Russia, according to government figures. The Dutch government earlier announced the country’s plans to stop using Russian fossil fuels by the end of the year.

jlliagre

5:36 PM

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> Gemiddeld percentage positief geteste mensen
52,8%

Few people test any more here.

6:29 PM

> There have been as many plagues as wars in history; yet always plagues and wars take people equally by surprise. —Albert Camus

@Cerberus The New York Times thinks that your country is seeing 1,143 new cases per day on average normalized to 6/100k, and that cases have gone down 24% compared with a fortnight ago.

That's pretty much the opposite of here. Nationally we're averaging 33/100k. And Colorado is worse.

Colorado is seeing around 2k cases per day, or 34/100k with an increase of +27% over 2 weeks ago.

Boulder County's case rate has dropped –41% in that same time, down to 37/100k.

I'm not completely certain how these figures are determined. I know that Boulder County was having >300/100k new daily cases and >10/100k new daily covid hospitalizations when the CDC moved us into the high risk category a week or two ago.

Holland has a 72% vaccination rate, Colorado 71%, Boulder County 79%.

'Our graphs don't look shocking or anything, just a bit "creeping" (sorry for bad grammar).

We're in the 4th sextile.

By which I mean color number four of six.

This reminds me of being "graded on a curve". It's certainly been much worse.

Mitch

6:54 PM

@Cerberus many people are getting home tests so there's less and less people getting an official record of positive or negative.

The US government has made multiple supplies of free covid tests

4 tests per box. There have been 4 possible orders so far per household.

Some larger institutions (like universities) had mandatory testing.

I say had because one place (a university) I know just stopped doing it last week.

7:38 PM

@Mitch Exactly.

@tchrist Yeah but I think those figures are meaningless, with a 52% rate of positivity.

As Mitch says, people no longer take PCR tests.

But, yeah, your increasing hospitalisations are different from what we have.

They have only been decreasing, for months.

How to write complex yet beautiful sentences like this:

> Notwithstanding his excessive fatigue, prodigious cerebral activity kept him in a thrill, ceaselessly unwinding the same coil of ideas.

Well, my question is serious in the sense that I’m not asking “How to be a perfect novelist?”, what I’m asking is “Does there exist a regal road to make one self write sentences like that, if one wishes to?”

8:05 PM

@ConGovDeIn Yeah, you have to read a lot and write a lot. And have a talent for it. Other than that, it's pretty simple.

8:22 PM

@Robusto Can you please elaborate on “write a lot”?

@ConGovDeIn Think of the act of writing as the equivalent of playing a musical instrument. How are you going to get to be a master at your instrument without practice?

Yes, that’s correct but the problem with writing is that no one is going to read what I write.

If I were to play guitar, I’m sure I can gather a few acquaintances to judge me, coz music is such an easy thing to judge; just listen it and say how you felt about it.

@ConGovDeIn No one is going to listen to you practice an instrument either.

I mean, I can... gather up, even brats can judge if I’m playing well or not

Start out keeping a journal. Write down everything that happens to you, and how you feel about that. Take a writing class. Write some short stories. Write some poetry. Ask friends you respect to give you their opinions.

But mostly you have to read. A lot. When you come to passages that move you, write those down in your journal.

What writers are your favorites?

8:27 PM

I quoted Emile Zola above

I know. Name some others.

But I mainly want to have a style of modernist writers: Joyce, Ford Madox Ford, TS Eliot, Ezra Pound.

So what are some passages from Joyce that you admire a lot?

I really like how they express by concealing it.

Give me an example of that.

I can think of passages of Joyce that moved me.

May 19, 2020 at 13:44, by Robusto

> Was it the raw reddish glow he had so often seen on wintry mornings on the shaven gills of the priests? The face was eyeless and sour-favoured and devout, shot with pink tinges of suffocated anger.

You wouldn't call that concealment. I would call it revelation.

Epiphany.

Jul 2, 2021 at 1:27, by Robusto

> So. Avelaval. My leaves have drifted from me. All. But one clings still. I'll bear it on me. To remind me of. Lff! So soft this morning, ours. Yes. Carry me along, taddy, like you done through the toy fair! If I seen him bearing down on me now under whitespread wings like he'd come from Arkangels, I sink I'd die down over his feet, humbly dumbly, only to washup.
Yes, tid. There's where. First. We pass through grass behush the bush to. Whish! A gull. Gulls. Far calls. Coming, far! End here. Us then. Finn, again! Take. Bussoftlhee, mememormee! Till thousendsthee. Lps. The keys to. Given! A …

8:32 PM

How about this one

> the uncreated conscience of my race

The ending of Portrait.

@Robusto Yes.

Does it say anything? NO. What it hides? Everything

Yes, but do you understand the beginning of that sentence?

I don't think it hides anything.

> E.U. negotiators who spent hours Monday hammering out an agreement on a Russian oil embargo appeared to be heading into the wee hours. Late in the day, they broke for a dinner of artichoke and creamy parmesan tarts, with a main course of lamb fillet in an herb crust, and vanilla and red currant eclair for dessert.

"To forge in the smithy of my soul the uncreated conscience of my race."

8:34 PM

Why do newspapers have to make me hungry.

I go to encounter for the millionth time the reality of experience and to forge in the smithy of my soul the uncreated conscience of my race.

Remember that Joyce was a punster, he added depth to his prose by shading multiple meanings. In that sentence, forge can mean to create or it can mean to falsify. Or both at the same time. Like Cubism, in a way.

Even if we take the usual meaning of “forge”, then also the construction of sentence is highly admirable

Admirable is too faint a word for it.

But I would maintain that it doesn't conceal; it reveals.

> Yes, the newspapers were right: snow was general all over Ireland. It was falling on every part of the dark central plain, on the treeless hills, falling softly upon the Bog of Allen and, farther westward, softly falling into the dark mutinous Shannon waves. It was falling, too, upon every part of the lonely churchyard on the hill where Michael Furey lay buried. It lay thickly drifted on the crooked crosses and headstones, on the spears of the little gate, on the barren thorns.
His soul swooned slowly as he heard the snow falling faintly through the universe and faintly falling, like the …

That phrase “uncreated conscience of my race” very well applies to Robert DeNiro in Taxi Driver.

8:39 PM

@Cerberus You were already hungry. They just twigged your hunger with a mention of food.

@ConGovDeIn You and I see that line very differently.

@Robusto I don’t remember the last para of Araby, it was also one of those sentences for which the word “admirable” is too faint.

@Robusto Would you like to share yours?

@ConGovDeIn I have it neat: "Gazing up into the darkness I saw myself as a creature driven and derided by vanity; and my eyes burned with anguish and anger."

@Robusto I still don’t know if Joyce meant by vanity the uselessness or the pride.

Why can't he mean both? That's where his strength is.

So, do we have a double meaning of one sentence? Or like Quantum Mechanics, the same meaning at the same time in the same sentence

8:43 PM

@ConGovDeIn I told you how I view it. In the first place, Stephen Dedalus (a/k/a Joyce) is now writing the novel. He is at once the author, who is going to create the uncreated conscience of his race, and someone who is going to fabricate that, make an imitation of it. The ramifications are what is stunning there.

@ConGovDeIn Of course.

@Robusto But such good food!

@Cerberus Now you're making me hungry. Stop!

stops

I'll just have tea.

Can't have tea without ... a biscuit or two?

It seems to me, by looking at your analysis, that you must have written some literary works .

8:45 PM

Anyway, double meanings and irony were Joyce's stock in trade.

Anyone who goes that deep into art cannot resist a creation

I have written some.

Ever tried for publishing it? Or like portrait of Dorian “it’s not for exhibition”?

I have. I won't share it here, because I am not myself online.

I lack biscuits.

8:49 PM

@Robusto Yes, there is a very high chance of someone using it under his own name.

@ConGovDeIn By the way, if you want some general advice:

@Cerberus Hiatus maxime deflendus.

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I would try to develop a faith in you, in order to get your literary creation in my email.

> Do not write in a style you have not fully mastered yet.

> Do not use fancy words unless you are 100% confident about them, until they come naturally.

Any style book will tell you this, so take heed.

8:50 PM

Of course the occasional sin against it is no problem.

That’s a good advice. (Just to have a little philosophical fun: how would you master a styla if you won’t write in it? That sentence implies you’re born with mastery)

@tchrist This isn't the kind of biscuit one has with tea.

@ConGovDeIn Yes, that is the problem.

Lots of reading may help.

@Robusto Gravy-flavored tea?

8:52 PM

And gradual change/progress.

Well, you have to practice a style to master it. See above.

Yes, you can practice it, but don't present it to critics yet hehe.

28 mins ago, by Robusto

@ConGovDeIn Think of the act of writing as the equivalent of playing a musical instrument. How are you going to get to be a master at your instrument without practice?

Oct 19, 2016 at 14:46, by tchrist

        Men are four:
He who knows not and knows not he knows not, he is a fool—shun him;
He who knows not and knows he knows not, he is simple—teach him;
He who knows and knows not he knows, he is asleep—wake him;
He who knows and knows he knows, he is wise—follow him!

        Lady Burton—Life of Sir Richard Burton. Given as an Arabian Proverb. Another rendering in the Spectator, Aug. 11, 1894. P. 176. In Hesiod—Works and Days. 293. 7. Quoted by Aristotle—Nic. Eth. I. 4. Cicero—Pro Cluent. 31. Livy—Works. XXII. 29.

Oh God!

8:55 PM

> He who knows and knows he knows, he is annoying—tease him!

He who doesn't know anything, and is proud of that fact, is a Republican.

Yeah, that's not good.

U.S. marks Memorial Day weekend with at least 11 mass shootings