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12:30 AM
> mac(tchristi)% oed -pv '^\w+dict\b'
addict [v.]
contradict [v.]
† eˈdict [v.]
† inˈdict [v.2]
indict [v.1]
interdict [v.]
maledict [v.]
postˈdict [v.] ← postdiction
predict [v.]
reinˈdict [v.]
retroˈdict [v.] ← retroˈdiction
unpreˈdict [v.]
valedict [v.]
ˈverdict [v.]
@Mitch v.s.
@Mitch v.i.
> mac(tchrist)% % oed -pv '^\w+dite\b'
† canˈdite [v.]
† conˈdite [v.1]
† ˈcondite [v.2]
† ˈcustodite [v.]
expedite [v.]
extradite [v.]
impedite [v.]
indite [v.]
lyddite [v.]
† medite [v.]
† recondite [v.]
If you don't know what those mean, ask the dogs.
Otherwise we'll have to maledict you.
Or if you prefer Midge then femaledict.
Just no cussing.
1 hour later…
1:50 AM
@tchrist Hmm, my Jury Duty experience/skills is/are not helping my dictermination of what you just did, I've Googled for oed -pv and w+dict\b, & that just found search results for the OED.com API, a custom Github dict lib(rary), & a lot of additional SE questions popped. That code looks like the Wordnik.com backend must work. You made alota Revision History edits too, but each entry seems equal, what am I missing, is that computer code or braincode? Err, is that a macdict or braindict? :∫
2:47 AM
@prosody-GabeVereableContext It might help your searches to learn that oed is just my custom shell alias for unilook -A.
And J.D. skills would have surely helped you with my v.s. and v.i. :)
But yes, it's a custom dict library file with a simple little program to access it. You should be able to install it yourself if you can run the moral equivalent of perl -MCPAN -e "install Unicode::Tussle". I seem to remember there's some hassle with doing that on random systems, like you have to move the sorted words.utf8 file to wherever the script that uses it gets installed.
Where words.utf8 was extracted from the SGML of the OED2.
It also supports not just prefixes the way look does but also pattern matching as demonstrated above along with fuzzy matching if you have agrep installed on that system. Its main is simply:
sub main {

    my $count = $Opt{fuzzy}   ? run_agrep()
              : $Opt{pattern} ? run_grep()
              :                 run_look();

    debug("found $count matches");

    if ($Shown_Count == 0) {
        exit 1;
    } else {
        exit 0;
But it doesn't actually "run" the grep or look programs the way it runs the agrep program. Both grepping and "looking" (binary search) are implemented internally because the file is sorted, which allows for a very fast binary search on a prefix.
The script itself is here. Yes, it's under bdfoy's cpan stuff not my own. Long story.
Well, not long. Just dumb on my bpart.
Docs follow....
@M.A.R. Ok
    word - display words starting or matching a string or pattern

    word [options] [string | pattern]

    Given a string, show all words starting with that string (look mode).
    Given a pattern, show all lines matching that pattern (grep mode).

    An argument with non-alphabetic characters is always a pattern. Force
    grep mode with --grep=pattern or by starting the pattern with a slash,
    which will be ignored.

    Use --man to get the full manpage.

    Search a large list of words in one of two modes. In look mode, only
Oh weird, it's calling itself "word". Haha.
So that's this doc.
No wonder it indexed wrong.
@FaheemMitha I had some friends in College from Jammu & Kashmir. They would also say sometimes they would hear gunshots at night.
But those were from India/Pak armies.
3:02 AM
Oh weird it does call out to look. I have no memory of any of this.
#Worldle #117 5/6 (100%)
I wasted one guess by mistake
Wordle 333 4/6

> Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D) has asked the Forest Service to change its protocols for such burns and called on the federal government to cover all costs associated with response and recovery for the Calf Canyon/Hermit’s Peak Fire, citing “the U.S. Forest Service’s culpability for the prescribed burn.”
Um, yeah. Seen that one happen before, too.
> You break burn it, you bought it.
3:28 AM
You could have done better though :P
@tchrist Evidently. Definitely does not surface any straightforward/friendly Ubuntu help examples I was looking for. =) Those Perl code libraries might be beyond my current ability to bash en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bash_(Unix_shell)) through the UNIX command line, I would rather in fact be bashing my head instead. I was about to ask before you said that if you were them, & was about to suggest you improve the SEO/Search Engine Optimization too. Hithertoo, now that all makes sense to a jury.
3:51 AM
@tchrist Yes, it's a non-stop front-page news story here.
4:02 AM
@tchrist That's what burned down Yellowstone in 1988, iirc.
4:38 AM
@CowperKettle Everyone I know would call that a gutter.
6 hours later…
10:50 AM
#Worldle #117 1/6 (100%)
Wordle 333 3/6

Wordle (ES) #132 2/6


I'm smokin' hot today.
11:38 AM
@CowperKettle I'm almost sure that's user input
12:06 PM
Wordle (ES) #132 3/6



@Robusto Our second guesses are complementary :-)
@jlliagre Interesting!
@Robusto My mistake, that was your English Wordle.
Yeah, I just noticed.
12:46 PM
@Cerberus: I just discovered the Netherlands Bach Society. These people are amazing!
> All of Bach is the online video project of the Netherlands Bach Society. The complete oeuvre of Johann Sebastian Bach is made available in high quality recordings for free.
Every performance is a gem. And they're all free. Simply astounding.
@Robusto One can download recordings from Youtube and Prime Music (for instance) for free. Though I don't know what the licensing issues are, if any.
But nobody has done a project of this scope and excellence. Except the NBS.
@Robusto So it's significant because of the quality and the fact that they are recording everything?
Yes. The "free" is just a lagniappe.
Poll: what is your candidate for the most underappreciated Bach Cantata?
@Robusto Well, that's a word I didn't know.
1:07 PM
@FaheemMitha I don't know. I appreciate every one I hear. I've even played in a few.
@Robusto Wow. What instrument do you play?
Flute and piano.
Feb 2, 2011 at 21:53, by Robusto
i play the piano for my own comfort these days. Hardly ever pick up the flute.
@Robusto Oh. Impressive. I imagine Bach's music is not easy to play;.
Well, it's not as hard as some.
It's easy enough on the flute, but I have to work on the keyboard pieces.
But the point is, it has this inner logic that makes things easier.
I find Bach handy when I'm feeling stressed. Like a tranquilizer, but without all the nasty side-effects.
For example.
1:17 PM
My favorite Bach keyboard work.
Well, except maybe for the Goldberg Variations.
And every other piece. ^_^
I swear I grew up listening to Glenn Gould humming through the Goldberg Variations.
This video is really good:
She has four points, and she's nice to listen to and to watch.
> Why Portuguese is harder to learn than Spanish?

1. pronunciation: closed vowels, nasal vowels, 3 ways to pronounce s
2. rhythm: syllable-timed vs stress-timed
3. syntax: position of personal pronouns
4. exposure: we're not as used to hearing EP internationally, compared to BP or AP
(She's from the UK.)
@tchrist Yes. But it adds a measure of charm, don't you think?
One wonders how large the Bach fan club is. Probably quite large. And spread across centuries.
@Robusto A Musical Offering is also "pleasantly heard" on the keyboard.
It's not the Goldberg Variations, but it's still a nice listen.
1:32 PM
Bach's keyboard pieces are so protean. You can play them in many different ways, different interpretations, and they all sound great.
@tchrist ^ (from your state)
2:16 PM
@M.A.R. I think you would be able to judge better. Google Translate agrees with you though.
But that's his last name as reported.
I take it that it is not a common Azeri last name?
@CowperKettle Just to add to what everybody else is saying or voting for, as a native speaker I've -never- heard 'eaves trough' for what I would call a gutter (the thing installed at the edge of a roof to catch all the rain water and direct it to a downspout (the pipe that goes down).
Of course 'eavestrough' says what it is, a trough at the eaves.
Oh yeah, 'the gutter' is the edge of a street next to the curb where water flows when it rains along the street to a drain. (and has all sorts of metaphorical connotations about 'being down in the gutter' with salacious things).
Though they are the same sequence and describe the same sort of water redirection thing, I've never really associated those two, the thing at the edge of a roof and the thing at the edge of a street. Which is the total opposite feeling you get as a language learner which is that the two are practically the same. As a native speaker I feel like you never know when two very different concepts have the same word for them...
that's why puns are funny (in the most simplistic way) because for a native speaker it's a surprise that a word has more than one meaning (because context usually forces one meaning without any effort.
2:41 PM
@tchrist Yes. @Robusto pointed out my error already.
2:57 PM
@CowperKettle Wow...he's using the word like it's nothing. So I suppose some people use it all the time. (it may well be a term that only roofers use?)
but since this is the first time I've ever seen the word, I can't judge how common it is. That article does explain the way some people use the two words.
3:25 PM
I hope and think Ukraine will not really invade Russia.
I can understand that they now bomb logistical hubs and convoys and such near the border, but I think they should not push it further.
You don't want to make more people suffer in this war.
They're asking for those incessantly.
And they receive some.
FWIW, I had no idea what an eavestrough was before your discussion but I'm familiar with gutter because I call it gouttière at home.
@jlliagre I forgot, are you French-Canadian?
> late 13c., "watercourse, water drainage channel along the side of a street," from Anglo-French gotere, Old French guitere, goutiere "gutter, spout" of water (12c., Modern French gouttière), from goute "a drop," from Latin gutta "a drop" (see gout). Meaning "furrow made by running water" is from 1580s. Meaning "trough under the eaves of a roof to carry off rainwater" is from mid-14c. Figurative sense of "low, profane" is from 1818. In printers' slang, from 1841.
@Cerberus It's like we have to second guess the psychology of little kids fighting in the playground.
3:41 PM
The is no figurative meaning in French but we call stray cats chats de gouttière.
As it stands now, there's not going to be a worldwide turn around for allies to invade Russia and re-educate them, like what happened with Germany in WWII.
@Mitch I don't know, I rather feel it is mostly about strategy, less about psychology.
@Cerberus Well, isn't strategy al about psychology, figuring out what the other person's move will be, based on their past behavior and other people's behavior and will they hit back and who's fault is it all and who started it and who deserves punishment etc etc etc
and there's no adult supervision, some one to throw water on it, to separate the two.
@Mitch A little bit, but honestly that sounds somewhat like an American film.
Strategy is more about assessing the options and capabilities of your enemy and of yourself.
Both parties are in many ways mostly rational.
The Russian invasion began just as Western analysts had predicted.
The order of weapons and moves, the directions taken, etc.
The Russian high command is not crazy.
They did vastly underestimate Ukraine, but so did Western organisations.
So maybe the psychology of Zelensky at the beginning of the war was significant when considering what move to make for Russia.
But now less so.
4:11 PM
@Robusto Ah, the Bachvereniging, yeah I think they're good!
Though I am not a good judge.
4:55 PM
@Cerberus Do you think the psychology of Putin is relevant at the moment?
Not so much strategically.
He seems to be quite rational.
Like most leaders.
Of course he is not rational in some respects.
But it doesn't change the strategy of Ukraine.
5 hours later…
9:46 PM
Russia Ukraine strategy: call for cease fire (plus negotiations) when you have as much territory as you think you can get, especially a corridor from Russia to Azov/Black Sea. That’s Donbas plus Mariupol plus Crimea etc. Refuse to withdraw (from elsewhere in Ukraine) without lifting of sanctions.
BTW, declare victory.
But the Ukrainian strategy is the reverse.
Call for a ceasefire when you have reconquered as much as you can.
10:51 PM
@Cerberus Yes, I agree. But Ukraine should want Russia to be the one to capitulate (surrender). With enough NATO weaponry, Ukraine can go on until its people are exhausted. The sanctions and deaths are also limiting for Putin.
Also limiting if some military hard-liner gets rid of Putin in a coup.
So who negotiates for NATO/the EU? Who has imposed sanctions? And brought charges of war crimes against Russia, which may also be negotiable? Shouldn’t Boris Johson be there? Macron and Scholz will want to be at the table.

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