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12:17 AM
@tchrist Yeah, we're going to get something similar tomorrow. And it's going to be a cold week, but then another warmup.
 
12:47 AM
> Darst thou call my wife strumpet, thou preterpluperfect tence of a woman.
Is he calling the woman strumpeting his wife a has-been or a had-been?
> OE Ælfric Gram. (St. John's Oxf.) 124 PRAETERITVM PLVSQVAMPERFECTVM is forðgewiten mare, þonne fulfremed, forðan ðe hit wæs gefyrn gedon: steteram ic stod gefyrn.
Today we'd just call steteram the pluperfect/past-perfect form, so “I had stood” in his example. Maybe Ælfric just liked long words, I guess.
 
1:17 AM
@tchrist Hmm what a steep fall.
@tchrist Should ic be italicised?
 
@Cerberus That is the first person singular in OE.
 
Yes.
 
Similar to Deutsch.
 
Why do you say that?
 
Because it is true.
 
1:19 AM
It is known to us.
Dutch ik, also spelled ic in older Dutch.
 
I wasn't aware of that. It seemed odd that you would question italics in that regard.
 
Why?
 
Since they were not present in the original anyway.
 
It seems odd to me that it should be italicised there.
Looks like a typo.
But I don't know the OE well enough to be sure.
 
@Cerberus nope
@Cerberus It fell 20 degrees almost instantaneously: less than 5 minutes. It fell another 10 over the next 26 minutes, and 10 more again in the 3 hours since. They say it may have 10 more to go. It's like Old Man Winter just got back from a year-long holiday, didn't like what he saw and wanted us all to know who was really in charge here.
 
1:30 AM
Odd.
Was it prophesised?
 
Aye 'twas prophesied afore.
 
@tchrist That's how it works when the Alberta Clipper blows through.
 
The sudden wind chill of just 9 above zero Fahrenheit made me run in the house and put serious clothes on.
You could see it hit from miles away because of how much dust it kicked up.
> The term was coined in the late 1960s by Rheinhart Harms, a meteorologist at the U.S. National Weather Service Office in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, who noted the rapid speed of these snow-producing storms as they moved across the Dakotas from Alberta towards the Great Lakes.
More nominative determinism: a weatherman surnamed Harms.
 
Do you still have any fires?
 
I don't think so, although we've been at max-alert for weeks.
 
1:40 AM
Good.
 
There was one up by the national park around Thanksgiving again but evacuations stopped at the Boulder County line.
 
That's late in the year.
 
2:02 AM
We got so much moisture with the monsoon this summer that the Fire Danger signs were all at medium instead of the usual "very high" ...
 
How comforting, only at medium.
 
@Robusto The OED sets PRAETERITVM PLVSQVAMPERFECTVM in small capitals and stereram in italic. I presume they derive from the parenthesized bits if that indicates a typeset work rather than a manuscript copy. I don't know which book hand Ælfric will have used; quite likely an insular uncial or half-uncial. Certainly the habit of switching from roman to italic in the modern fashion didn't exist then, but he might well have used a different book hand of some sort for it.
 
@tchrist I never saw any copies of OE in manuscript that had any but a scribe's hand. The emphasis would have been pictorial, not typographical. I could be wrong, since I haven't seen all the manuscripts. But the ones I've seen had nothing like that.
 
Me neither.
But the scribe had a hand of some sort, by definition.
 
Switching between Gothic and Italic letters was common.
Though in English I don't know.
 
2:15 AM
Meaning that he will have used some particular style when forming his letters.
 
Well, yes.
 
I doubt it was cased, but maybe the SMALLCAPS bit means he did something special there, like suddenly used actual roman capitals like those chiselled on Trajan's Column, a very unnatural form in manuscripts.
 
But there was a standard calligraphic style they all seemed to follow rather closely.
It could be really hard to read at times.
 
Those were all unicameral uncials or else bicameral half-uncials. Not that they had camerae of course.
At least I think so. They were rounder than book hands in Europe at the time.
Which were impossible, pace Gutenberg.
 
Impossible?
 
2:22 AM
All the minims smashed together unreadably, I meant.
 
Book hands are generally easier to read, especially since Charl le Magne.
 
I give up my phone won't let me type the words I want.
 
I'll take your phone.
You seem to be rather addicted to it, by the way.
You're always on it.
Kids.
 
I'm in bed with Randy and Lorin keeping me warm from the winds of winter.
 
I hate typing anything on my phone. I'd rather be using a calligraphic pen.
Or a fude (筆).
 
2:25 AM
I dream about it.
 
Using a brush to write Japanese has a surprising sense of satisfaction to it.
 
Mild nightmares, in which I keep tying the wrong word on my phone's keyboard, and I can't get it right no matter how many times I try.
 
You could likely find an online image of Ælfric's manuscript and at least settle the question of what hand his scribe used.
 
My phone has an autocorrect poltergeist in it, which causes me to send strange words in my text from time to time.
 
They all have.
It's worst when I am lying in bed.
 
2:27 AM
Yes. Why is that?
 
I think it's because my finger touches the screen from a slightly different angle, resulting in touches registered in the wrong place.
 
Yeah. Happens when you're in a hurry, distracted by the oven timer going off and there's someone at the door at the same time, and you just need three more words to finish the text. Oh, and you have to pee, too.
 
That, too.
Or when cycling, which has recently become slightly illegal.
 
I would never try texting on a bike.
 
I only do it when it's quiet and I am 100% sure nobody could cross the cycle path any time soon, and I look up ever other second.
 
2:30 AM
I never trust its autopilot enough.
 
Navigation, or autocorrect?
 
Heh.
 
It's easy enough to come a cropper on a bike even when you're paying attention.
 
When I use it for real navigation while cycling, I use headphones.
It just tells me to go left and right.
But I think it's not great for cycling.
@Robusto Not if you take enough care, I should think.
 
@Cerberus Taking enough care would be 'not riding a bike'
 
2:36 AM
An odd definition.
6 mins ago, by Cerberus
I only do it when it's quiet and I am 100% sure nobody could cross the cycle path any time soon, and I look up ever other second.
 
more of an inference
I think bikes are like motorcycles. car drivers can see pedestrians, but bikes and motorcycles on the road are somehow invisible.
so you could -walk your bike across the street and that would be safe, but also pretty uncool
like sitting down to pee
(if you're a dude)
 
There are no cars on cycle paths.
 
ph
 
Nor pedestrians.
 
but you have civilized bike paths and such
those just don't exist in the US
 
2:39 AM
Of course you would only do under the circumstances I mentioned above.
 
they may paint little bike pictures on some streets and even paint some extra lines, but that doesn't do anything.here
 
So no need to even consider a different situation: they you cannot do it.
 
@Cerberus except tourists
 
Of course would not do it when there are tourists on the cycle path.
 
which renders your entire argument irrelevant. Counselor you may step down.
@Cerberus BUt you'd have to be extra careful.. namely by not being on your bike, to prevent difficulties with tourists
you never know when a tourist or small child might wander aimlessly into a bike path without your having enough time to defensively veer.
or a squirrel
holy crap one time I almost ran over a squirrel on my bike
 
2:42 AM
@Mitch You do.
 
how he got on my bike I'll never know
 
@Cerberus sadly I don't think I'll be riding my bike there any time soon.
 
In this street, for example, when you see only a small number of serious people walking on the sidewalk, with no side streets nor even doors, you can cycle without looking for a couple of m.
And no car can pass you, so there will be no cars.
 
@Cerberus dicey
 
2:43 AM
Is it?
A 100,000-sided die?
Sounds...heavy.
 
with your youthful sense of balance and not too brittle bones or stringy tendons, a little fall would be nothing for you.
@Cerberus a hekamyriahedron
If you roll it, you've already lost
 
@Mitch Sure it would be.
 
alia jacta est
 
But you need traffic to fall over.
 
you've already thrown up
 
2:46 AM
There is none there.
There is no place whence it could come.
 
@Cerberus So you've eradicated squirrels then.
but you still have rats and pigeons
summer swallows can be distracting but they rarely come down to the street level.
 
@Mitch Huh, this line was invisible until I refreshed the page!
There are no squirrels on busy streets.
Nor rats.
Pideons fly away in time always.
 
@Cerberus I think that's presuming traffic is the only thing to worry about
 
There is nothing else.
 
I just saw a documentary
 
2:49 AM
Oh, dear.
 
@Cerberus The care you take would be not texting while riding.
4
 
There is really no danger in certain situations.
Of course you would not be going fast.
 
We are literally worlds apart on this.
 
Probably.
You don't know what it's like here.
 
I don't think you know what it's like to fall off a bike
at best you scrape your palms or bruise a knee
even without a car being involved
This particular documentary was called 'The Silence of Others'
about the 'Amnesty for All' lawas in the late 70's early 80's in post Franco Spain
and the forgetting laws
except people had been tortured and put into mass graves
so they were trying to prosecute some Spanish people for human rights violations , but they had to do it from outside of Spain.
because
because people
because some people in Spain are still Franco-adjacent
I was shocked (but not surprised) at some of the things I learned
The most trivial was that Juan Carlos I was the guy who led the democritization/deFrancoism. His recent corruption scandal is all I knew about him.
But also torture and political prisoners and mass executions and baby re-mothering (taking babies away from questionable mothers at birth and giving them to 'good' families).
Most of this stuff was happening during the civil war and 40's, but it wasn't clear even in this documentary how much continued into the 50/60/70's
@tchrist Have you seen la palabra del año 2021 ?
All of those are recognizable as topical words to me except for the first one. 'aglomeracion'... what is -that- about?
 
3:06 AM
War is always unspeakable atrocities, everywhere. Those are supposed to stop after the war. They seldom all do.
 
It doesn't sound covid related.
@tchrist There were clips of groups of people giving Nazi salutes... in 2012.
 
@Mitch This I knew.
@Mitch Agglomeration?
 
It's so much nicer knowing little about people, you always think 'how nice'
 
Not such an unusual word?
Or do you mean, it doesn't seem related to 2021?
 
@Cerberus I should have know that but probably never did.
 
3:08 AM
One forgets things.
This was the second time one of your messages remained hidden, by the way.
I got the ping, but no message.
 
@Cerberus My understanding, after seeing all those words, is not that it is a list of the best -new- word but just the best word. So it could be an old word that breathes new life because of events.
 
It happened again.
 
Some I found a little too... familiar?
like whatever the Spanish for 'remote work' is
I read recently that the understanding language part of the brain is very pliable through most of one's life, but the production part gets real set in its ways.
which totally works for me with respect to Spanish...I can make some sense out of it but if I read it, it only gets saved in my brain in English translation.
@Cerberus I am pretty sure that I never knew it.
@Cerberus Weird.
I blame the network
 
@Mitch I'm sure that will change if you read and speak more of it.
 
@Cerberus possibly
speaking is hard
especially if you don't hear enough of it spoken to you
 
3:13 AM
Yes.
 
I mean, that's a problem for school kids learning... the teacher is always talking in a very particular limited context and stilted manner, not how real people speak.
 
Of course.
 
@Cerberus well yeah. but the point is... that's not a new word at all so there must have been some news thing where it was used a lot, but I can't think of a worlds thing, and I have no clue about any particular Spain news situation where it would apply.
 
It's not really possible to learn to speak a language well from mostly passive classes, I think.
 
@Cerberus but when you're learning, you have absolutely no idea that that is the situation.
 
3:15 AM
Why not?
 
and then you show up on a beach in Ibiza and want to ask for an ice cream and you're screwed.
 
We didn't think we were learning to speak French well in school.
It was mainly about reading.
 
@Cerberus And reading is important and great too. but there's a lot more to it than that.
 
It's about that sort of thing. Giant gatherings. Not sure that it has to be a flash mob or not.
 
3:17 AM
relevantly, I was just thinking how lots of important lessons in life are 'anodyne' but you only appreciate how anodyne they are after a long time, about the time it takes you to know what the word 'anodyne' means.
-and-
and that's a pretty anodyne thing.
 
It should mean painless.
 
@Cerberus Oh. I was totally thinking 'holy shit I'm speaking French' when I could figure out the different between 'merci' and 'bonjour'
@Cerberus but does it?
 
> Aglomeración por firma de autógrafos de grupo de k-pop deja crisis nerviosas

La aglomeración de personas que buscaban acudir a una firma de autógrafos de una banda de K-Pop en Galerías Plaza de Las Estrellas provocó crisis nerviosa en 28 personas.
 
@tchrist maybe it means 'flash mob'. But that's pretty 10 years ago (or is it 20) in English.
 
WTactualF??
 
3:20 AM
@tchrist oh so maybe a nicer alternative to 'demonstracion'? (if that is the word I'm thinking of)
 
No they use manifestation for that.
 
oh. isn't the French for a riot demonstration?
 
The mob of people trying to attend a kpop band's autograph signing event triggered a "nervous crisis" in 28 people. What does this mean?
 
they had personal anodyne attacks
huh
Google translate is giving 'émeute' for 'riot' but...
I thought ...
well, what I thought is probably not relevant at all
 
No, a protest is a mani, una manifestación
Now what happened to the 28? Did they faint from excitement?
 
3:27 AM
Anyway @Cerberus, I think @Robusto and I are concerned about your physical safety if you are trying to text on your phone while riding a bicycle. You shouldn't even be -looking- at your phone while riding. I mean really it can wait until you get there.
@tchrist No fainting. Just a little out of sorts.
Maybe it is like those teenagers in 1964 watching the Beatles.
They look like they're having a personal attack of some sort.
maybe it's the same thing, but more modern.
 
Crisis nerviosa, colapso mental o hundimiento mental es un nombre no usado médicamente para describir un ataque de enfermedad mental repentino y agudo como depresión o ansiedad. Cuando se usa en un discurso social, los términos a menudo tienen connotaciones peyorativas. == Causas == Algunas causas de crisis nerviosas son: Duelo psicológico crónico y/o sin resolver Dolencias nuevas o crónicas Desempleo Problemas académicos Síndrome de burnout Estrés social Identidad sexual Trauma post-bélico Insomnio crónica u otros desórdenes del sueño Enfermedad seria o crónica de un pariente, de un conocido…
It means a nervous breakdown.
 
So it's not an actual medical thing but just a term used informally
so can easily be anything at all
 
Which is NOT a medical term.
 
they all broke out in hives.
jinx!
 
It sounds like something you might have heard happen on the old TV series Bewitched, with Elizabeth Montgomery.
 
3:35 AM
@tchrist Yeah like a fun euphemism for the heebie-jeebies
which is a fun euphemism for the willies
 
Or freaking out so badly they required hospitalization.
 
which is a euphemism for seeing a ghost
'freaking out ' is a symptom, not a diagnosis, so it is handled/defined in DSM V in the appendix.
 
Some kind of meltdown that was all in their heads.
 
that said, most emergency rooms have a 'psych' section which is for people who are suicidal -or- for what I don't have the technical term but I would call 'freaking out'.
like feeling like you need to run away but the thing that makes you feel like that is always with you.
 
A psychotic break?
 
3:54 AM
A snow dance is a ritual that is performed with the hopes of bringing snow in the winter months. This ritual is often performed with the goal of avoiding school or work the next day. Specific Snow Dance rituals vary from person to person, but commonly include sleeping with silverware under one's pillow, flushing ice cubes in a toilet, or wearing your pajamas inside out and backwards. Snow dancing is often performed outside in sunny or rainy conditions as the participating dancer would want it to snow that day or week, rather than be rainy or sunny. Considered by many to be an urban legend, the...
Word of the day: snow dance
 
4:04 AM
Impressive
And this despite the high gun ownership.
 
4:37 AM
Progress is everywhere.
Some people just get so pessimistic.
The rate is still far higher than in other rich countries, of course, and also than many non-rich countries.
 
5:14 AM
> Setonix brachyurus is a small macropod about the size of a domestic cat
> In 1696, Dutch explorer Willem de Vlamingh mistook them for giant rats, naming the island 't Eylandt 't Rottenest, which means "rat nest" in Dutch.
Tourists from Yekaterinburg failed to return home from a station in the mountains.
They will miss work
The 35-km road to the nearest town is covered with a couple of meters of snow
 
5:55 AM
Curious use of an apostrophe in cou'd, instead of could (1765)
 
 
3 hours later…
8:42 AM
@Robusto I would say it's part of our nation's anti-intellectualism. If you can pronounce French properly you were paying attention in class.
we strive for mediocrity where we can
 
9:11 AM
Time for a discussion:
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Q: Proposal for a policy on mentioning slurs

Matt E. ЭлленWhen I say "mention" or "mentioning" I mean it as in the "use/mention distinction". When I say "slur" I mean A derogatory or insulting term applied to particular group of people. [Lexico] What happened to get me to ask this question? A user quit the site when they found that our site finds it a...

 
10:07 AM
Someone downvoted there.
I met a girl with 12 breasts. Seems strange, dozen tit?
 
10:25 AM
@CowperKettle no surprise. I knew this would get people's backs up
 
11:05 AM
175 https://images.app.goo.gl/4UbmcySfgAV1u4v66
 
Nice ice sculptures!
 
11:27 AM
I can’t seem to get them to show up here (-:(
But thanks. I did try.
 
12:20 PM
@Xanne each URL you've posted has another URL in its arguments. you can take the URL out of the arguments and use that. e.g the last url has https://1964.dartmouth.org/s/1353/images/gid180/editor/ice-sculpture-02-2018-small.jpg, then you can use that with the "upload" button, using the "from web" tab of the dialog box, and pasting the extracted URL.
 
1:00 PM
> British troops, unable to pronounce his name properly, nicknamed him "Desperate Frankie."
 
Really small question, so I'll ask here. Is "A solution that has a good performance..." the same as "A well performing solution..."? The context of performance is in "computational performance", as in "it runs faster", etc
 
@ihavenoidea Yes, they look similar to me, although I'm not a native speaker of English. I would use a hyphen in the second option: a well-performing solution
> When General de Mas Latrie protested at an order, Franchet d'Esperey took the telephone from the staff officer Hely d'Oissel and told Latrie "Marchez ou crevez." ("March or die.")
Turns out French verbs have plural forms.
Marchez is "march" (you, plural)
Marche is "march" (you, singular)
 
@MattE.Эллен So you are saing there are never any circumstances under which the N-word may be spoken. Not historically, literarily, linguistically, socio-linguistically, or any other. I'm sorry, but I think that is excessive for a site that puts on the mantle of academia.
@MattE.Эллен I haven't noticed anti-intellectualism among most Britons I've been in contact with. And David Bennett doesn't seem anti-intellectual otherwise. Why that particular trait?
 
1:31 PM
@Robusto I'm saying on this site, where the veneer of academia is found wanting, with respect to the institutions which have such facilities as councelling and unions to help people who are affected by this, it is better to err on the side of hiding the words.
@Robusto I suppose I am speaking of my experience, in so far as even people who are not anti-intellectual, feel self conscious when they they might show themselves to be a bit smarter than average. On the other hand, maybe he did it as a joke?
 
@MattE.Эллен He is rather joke-free otherwise. I suspect he was not joking in this.
@MattE.Эллен I disagree, but I'm not going to argue the point on Meta. You know how this is going to go, and so do I.
 
@Robusto yeah, but I had to try!
 
There is a difference between calling someone a piece of shit and saying someone left a piece of shit on the sidewalk.
And that's all I'm going to say on the matter.
 
1:47 PM
@Robusto There's Ælfric's Grammar.
 
@tchrist Interesting. I will look at it later. Have to get ready and go see the surgeon now.
 
@Robusto eek!
He actually does use SMALL CAPS! At the bottom where it reads "DE VERBO PASIVO".
That's in a half-uncial hand because there are caps here and there.
Look at all his scribal abbreviations in "plusquamperfectum"!
He crosses the descender of the "p" to add "er". He has a breve above the "t" to add "um" at the end.
These are all insular letterforms.
 ȝ  021D        LATIN SMALL LETTER YOGH
        * Middle English, Scots
        x (latin small letter ezh - 0292)
        x (latin small letter insular g - 1D79)
 ᵹ  1D79        LATIN SMALL LETTER INSULAR G
        * older Irish phonetic notation
        * uppercase is A77D
        x (latin small letter g - 0067)
        x (latin small letter yogh - 021D)
        x (latin small letter script g - 0261)
        x (latin small letter gamma - 0263)
 ◌ᷘ  1DD8        COMBINING LATIN SMALL LETTER INSULAR D
> ꞅ A785 LATIN SMALL LETTER INSULAR S
So like his "s" looks like an "r" with a descender.
 
2:08 PM
> Around the year 998, Ælfric of Eynsham produced a Grammar, written in Old English, but designed primarily to explain Latin. The Grammar is the earliest surviving textbook written in English
Wow.
 
> Ferio ic slea næfð nænne PRAETERITVM PERFECTVM, butan hit nime of oþrum worde ðæs ylcan andgites: percutio ic slea, percussi ic sloh.
He's explaining the "preterite perfect", where "percutio" is present tense 1st-person singular and "percussi" is the corresponding completed past.
 
I wonder what this word is
 
So slea is I slay from the infinitive slean to slay; sloh is the past tense for I/he slew, or at least one spelling of it in Old English.
@CowperKettle We should ask @Cerberus to decode its lettering for us. My first thought of "other" is probably wrong, since oððer / oþþer is a rare form mostly in Middle not Old English for that word. There seem to be a few stray OE instances of it.
I wonder if the dot is the R at the end.
It was only 15F here when I woke up this morning.
A far cry from the 64F of 3pm yesterday. Nothing like a 50-degree plunge to put the fear of winter in you!
 
Ah! I thought you were fluent in Old English ))
Here, it is minus 15°C
 
2:23 PM
Lord no. It's harder for me to understand than Latin is.
"of oþrum worde" is pretty obvious though.
 
Temperature swings up and down
температура (temperatura, feminine) is temperature
 
Your –15C is 5F. My +15F is –9C.
 
We should have switched "p" to "r" like the rest of the world to make it more comprehensible.
 
"temperatura" is a first-declension Latin feminine. It still exists in a few modern languages.
 
dura is "stupid person", feminine
durak is "stupid person", masculine
 
2:27 PM
OE still had grammatical gender and grammatical case like other languages descended from Proto-Indo-European.
Only Occitan actually inherited the word, as you can see by the sound changes in its tempradura. The rest of us just borrowed it.
 
zhara is "heat", feminine while zhar is "heat", masculine
 
So reading Aelfric presents only three decoding issues:

1. Figuring out what the handwriting would be using today's lettering.
2. Figuring out what the Old English would be in Modern English.
3. Figuring out what the Latin is.
Of those, the #2 is the hardest and #3 the easiest. #1 is tricky enough, thanks.
 
sticks head in sand
@CowperKettle Old English is basically a completely foreign language to us as native speakers of Modern English, one full of weird things like grammatical gender and grammatical case and more, so more like Modern German still is. Reading the English of a millennium past is much, much, much harder for me than for example reading the Spanish of a millennium past. That's because English changed immensely in that time, essentially changing itself into a totally different language, but Spanish did not.
 
Same with Old Russian
 
2:40 PM
Which way, very changed like Old English or less changed like Old Spanish?
 
I'm not an expert, but I can understand maybe 10% of Old Russian texts
 
Yeah ok, that's like Old English then.
 
I get angry when somebody just pastes whole paragraphs of Old Russian into Wikipedia articles on history. Like anybody could understand it.
Modern Russian has 6 vowel sounds, Old Russian had up to 10 vowel sounds, at different times this varied.
Many vowels shifted. Today we say les for "forest", in Old Russian it was closer to lis (like in Ukrainian now)
 
How lucky for you! Old English not only had 7 vowels and 3 diphthongs, all 10 of those could be either long or short, and this was phonemic.
 
It was written лѣс. The letter ѣ was abolished in 1918
Because by and by the sound ѣ had mutated towards e
 
2:48 PM
> Old English had seven or eight vowel qualities, depending on dialect, and each could appear as either a long or short monophthong. An example of a pair of words distinguished by vowel length is god [ɣod] ('god') and gōd [ɣoːd] ('good').
But they didn't use diacritics, so you just had to know god from god. :)
Or God from good, as we today write those.
> The front mid rounded vowel /ø(ː)/ occurs in the Anglian dialects, for instance, but merged into /e eː/ in the West Saxon dialect.

The long–short vowel pair /æ æː/ developed into the Middle English vowels /a ɛː/, with two different vowel qualities distinguished by height, so they may have had different qualities in Old English as well.[4]

The short open back vowel /ɑ/ before nasals was probably rounded to [ɒ]. This is suggested by the fact that the word for "person", for example, is spelled as mann or monn.
I seem to recall that Hungarian also has mostly rounded A whenever you see it written.
 
@MattE.Эллен Is there a particular post that pushed this one user over the edge? Was it one if the example links you gave?
 
> Most Old English diphthongs consist of a front vowel followed by a back offglide; according to some analyses they were in fact front vowels followed by a velarized consonant.[6][7] The diphthongs tend to be height-harmonic, meaning that both parts of the diphthong had the same vowel height (high, mid or low).
 
Thus far, the doubling rate is every 4 days.
 
There seems to have been quite a bit of difference between say West Saxon and East Anglian.
 
@Mitch sort of. there was a post that led to a discussion that led to someone finding how many instances of the n-word are on EL&U, that led to them leaving, that led to me trying to stop it from happening again.
 
2:54 PM
@CowperKettle We saw that in South Africa, hitting a double per three days, which is beyond compare.
 
@Mitch it's not one of the posts I link to
 
In Moscow, people tend to produce long aa sounds.
Maaskvaa (Moscow)
 
@MattE.Эллен So the post itself wasn't egregious but the followup led to a lot of instances?
 
@CowperKettle Haha that sounds Finnish!
They have these really long vowels.
 
2:54 PM
was it the n-word or a collection of clurs?
 
@tchrist While in the early 20 century one could still find Russians clearly pronouncing o there. Moskva
 
@Mitch it had an egregious moment, but was edited by the author
 
@MattE.Эллен would it be too much to know that particular post?
 
@Mitch the person who left complained about different slurs, but the n-word was the one that was most problematic
 
@CowperKettle See that's what I wondered. I still have a rounded vowel there in the first syllable BTW, but many youngsters no longer do so.
There were childhood jokes about the kind of milk you'd get from "moss cows". :)
 
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@Mitch I'm not sure, because that would probably lead to it being obvious who I'm talking about and I don't know if that would be a problem for them
 
@MattE.Эллен Oh OK.
But is there a list of links to problematic posts in general then? ie not the meta links but main links?
at least some of the set of posts that the person who left left over
 
I don't think there's a list. except the one generated by EL&U search
 
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