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SmokeDetector

01:43

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Robusto

@tchrist: You might want to delete the user of Smokey's last entry. For starters, it's a very rude username.

tchrist

@Robusto Haha, I was too busy reading this to notice!

Robusto

^_^

tchrist

It's surprisingly long but not hard to read.

Robusto

Good to know.

tchrist

01:58

L solet venire > ES suele venir; solebam fures caedere > (yo) solía X ladrones where X is some verb like cortar or something else related to making an incision; I don't know that caedere survived into Romance, and no, that's not caer (fall) which is instead from cadere.

And in Colorado, Limnodrilus sulphurensis.

> While its air is deadly, spectacular blood-red colored worms have been found thriving inside. These long, thin worms, also known as limnodrilus sulphurensis, have not been discovered anywhere else in the world.

Robusto

@tchrist Maybe you should export them to China. They need creatures that can survive in the Beijing pollution.

tchrist

> Beyond other life-forms that live in the cave, such as spiders and millipedes, the cave also contains many uncommon features including snottites, mucous-like stalactites of sulfur-eating bacteria.

SNOTTITES!!

Robusto

02:40

Like stalactites, only snot?

tchrist

@Robusto Looks like!

I do wonder what their Ctrl+Z means there to them. To me, ^Z means to suspend something.

Not to kill it. It's not ^C.

Cerberus

It means undo.

In Windows.

@tchrist I would read caedere as "kill".

tchrist

@Cerberus Right, although it apparently had ruder connotations as well. Do any reflexes survive into Romance?

Cerberus

I'm sure it can have many meanings.

Also "fell".

tchrist

@Cerberus Oh, the active sense of cadere?

Fall vs fell.

Cerberus

02:47

@tchrist I don't know. Perhaps of the compound occidere?

@tchrist Exactly.

Causative.

tchrist

Right, that's the word I meant.

I'm a bit febrile.

Cerberus

Oh, dear.

A virus?

tchrist

Probably nothing, just sinus infection treatable with antibiotics.

I'll know either way within a couple of days.

Well, it's been going on for 2-3 weeks now.

Cerberus

Oh, that is unfortunate.

tchrist

On Sunday it started getting worse and including fever.

Cerberus

02:49

I haven't had a cold in ages.

tchrist

It may have begun as a cold 3 weeks ago. I had a day or three of sneezing.

Cerberus

Anything happening in your throat or lungs?

tchrist

No.

Cerberus

Good.

Some colds are corona viruses.

Innocuous ones.

tchrist

But in an abundance of caution, anybody with upper respiratory symptoms gets covid tested.

Cerberus

02:51

Have you been tested yet?

tchrist

The last three times I've had this over the past few years it responded to Augmentin, a combination antibiotic that works for both gram-positive and gram-negative bacteria.

Not quite, they closed up a few minutes early today. I have an 8:10am appointment for tomorrow though.

Cerberus

Hmm bacterial, how odd.

Ah, good, just in case.

tchrist

I haven't been anywhere. I won't have gotten it from anybody else. It's probably just something that always lives in me that takes over when I let my guard down. I had a few nights of extremely short sleeping (see, I can't even do English) last week.

Cerberus

Hmm is that possible?

tchrist

Sure.

Cerberus

02:56

I suppose it is possible with various illnesses.

tchrist

It's just "sinus crud".

I'm missing words in my vocabulary right now.

Cerberus

My body also has various flare-ups when I don't get enough sleep. Well, I never do—when I get even less than usual.

tchrist

This pattern has been with me since university.

Cerberus

My language, too, is the first to go when I'm sleep deprived, though only the first half of the day.

Hmm.

tchrist

I'm no longer sleep deprived.

Cerberus

02:58

Oh.

It's the fever now.

tchrist

Just a little febrile, very stuffed up, and on various prophylactics as well as penicillins.

Nothing below my chin.

Head feels too big and heavy for my neck.

Pushing on the sinus cavities right above the eyes hurts, enough to poke myself into a really sharp cluster headache, or so it feels like.

Actual cluster headaches are a migraine variant.

Cerberus

That sounds pretty terrible.

Paracetamol?

tchrist

Which is why I called my doctor.

Yeah, that reminds me, time for another round of ibuprofen + acetaminophen.

Cerberus

Does that help?

tchrist

Helps the fever and headache.

It's best if you alternate those so they overlap.

Cerberus

03:08

Good.

Paracetamol does help reduce fever and stuffiness for me.

tchrist

Stuffiness how?

That's weird.

For me pairing diphenhydramine and pseudoephedrine works better on the stuffiness.

But both have cognitive side-effects. Now what was I saying? :)

The snot stalactites I mentioned earlier are hilariously apropos.

Cerberus

I don't know, the sensation you get when your sinus are stuffed, probably. The pain that can make you teary eyed.

When I am suffering from a bad cold, nose spray + paracetamol will make me feel OK.

tchrist

Yes.

Snottite

Snottite, also snoticle, is a microbial mat of single-celled extremophilic bacteria which hang from the walls and ceilings of caves and are similar to small stalactites, but have the consistency of nasal mucus. In the Frasassi Caves in Italy, over 70% of cells in Snottite have been identified as Acidithiobacillus thiooxidans, with smaller populations including an archaeon in the uncultivated 'G-plasma' clade of Thermoplasmatales (>15%) and a bacterium in the Acidimicrobiaceae family (>5%).The bacteria derive their energy from chemosynthesis of volcanic sulfur compounds including H2S and warm-water...

voanews.com/usa/cavers-explore-mysterious-hidden-wonders

steamboatpilot.com/news/…

Except not "possibly a landmark". It was just granted that status.

Cerberus

Lovely.

tchrist

Those are those bizarre worms found nowhere else in the world.

Limnodrilus sulphurensis (Fend, Liu & Erséus, 2016)

Can you stem the genus?

It's Greek to me.

λίμνη + δρῖλος

So limn- is lake, which I knew, and drilos is leach, which I did not.

> a common genus of the family Tubificidae comprising aquatic oligochaete worms

Surely unrelated to κροκόδειλος.

Xanne

03:27

@CowperKettle Good stuff from the Lowy Institute. Interesting that the only variable that tracks with the measured success is country size.

Cerberus

03:41

@tchrist Or a pool, rather.

It can be stagnant water.

tchrist

Right, something swampy.

Cerberus

Drilos I did not know.

Feeling better yet?

tchrist

Limnology I've known forever.

No, not yet. But kitty Lorin is warm and soft and comforting.

Cerberus

Ah, I did not know it.

Good kitty.

CowperKettle

05:55

I didn't want to bungle or bobble the Fingal dopple.

CowperKettle

07:40

> The Novavax jab was shown to be 89.3% effective at preventing Covid-19 in participants in its Phase 3 clinical trial in the UK, which enrolled more than 15,000 people aged between 18-84, of whom 27% were older than 65, Novavax said.

I don't like the word jab, it sounds flabby. I prefer the word shot

> He told the BBC the manufacturing plant in Stockton-on-Tees should be up and running by March or April, with the company hoping to get approval for the vaccine from the MHRA around the same time.

So, by May there will be one additional vaccine, albeit maybe produced at a lesser rate

Hairi

Which one is correct

- There was miscommunication between Max and me
- There was miscommunication between Max and I
- None of the above

Why?

M.A.R.

08:51

@Robusto This badge can be rewarded multiple times. So you get a Steward for every thousandth review

Xanne

09:24

@CowperKettle jab is more informal to me, but not less sloppy—shot is a little harsher with overtones of being shot by an actual bullet. Jab also seems more temporary, which may be more attractive to the fearful.

SmokeDetector

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Xanne

But I’d be inclined to consider a geographic approach—go to a neighborhood with a high positivity rate and shoot up everyone willing, finish up on a second trip, look to get a wipeout in an area (group of people) no matter their jobs (just lr

eave out the kids for whom the vaccine has not been tested, instead of all the categories of age, immuno-deficiency, etc. The reluctant are their own problem. Take the vaccine to the population instead of trying to schedule them to come to you. At lease worth a try.

M.A.R.

10:25

@Xanne That's part of the problem though: The reluctant aren't just their own problem

@Hairi The version with "and me", I think.

Faheem Mitha

@Xanne What do you mean by wipeout?

I'm not entirely sure what the vaccines are supposed to do. Stop people from getting infected? Or stop them actually getting sick? Because if they are infected but don't have any symptoms, they can still transmit.

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha When the body fights back against the virus, it's expected that the virus be eliminated after a while (I'm not entirely sure of that in this case). There will be a period, as with other contagious diseases, that the patient's condition is improving but they can still infect other people.

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. So which part would the vaccine help with? The fighting back?

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha Yeah, it would basically be target training for the immune system

Mimic what the virus 'feels like' in the bloodstream and the tissues without all the harmful effects or at least minimizing them

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. I worked in an immunology research group once. A rather dysfunctional one. But very little of it has stuck. I don't think I'm really a medical or biological person by nature.

M.A.R.

10:38

Well, I myself am just a sapling

Faheem Mitha

I wonder if it would have made a difference if I had worked with proper research people, instead of frauds. Possibly not.

@M.A.R. Meaning?

I've noticed my retention of medical stuff is very poor. I can remember basic things. Like basic terms and concepts.

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha I need years of training before I can be more confident in what I say

Just a second-year pharmacy undergrad

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. Do you work in the biological sciences?

I sort of had a biochem impression.

M.A.R.

But things are about to get interesting in my studies

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. Ah, yes. Pharmacy.

M.A.R.

10:41

@FaheemMitha No, I was kinda raised in a pharmacy

Faheem Mitha

I have a question for you. Have you ever heard of a company called Cipla?

M.A.R.

Yeah sure

Used to be pretty awesome

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. How is one raised in a pharmacy?

@M.A.R. Used to be?

What do you know about it?

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha I worked in our pharmacy since I was six

I haven't worked there for two and a half years now though

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. "Our" pharmacy?

M.A.R.

10:42

My parents are both pharmacists

Faheem Mitha

Cases here are supposedly falling. I'm not sure whether to believe it.

@M.A.R. Ah, the family business. Cool.

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha Well we used to sell several of their more famous drugs

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. And...? Are they no longer awesome?

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha Cases here have been dropping very slowly for more than a month

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. India supposedly peaked Sep 2020. Or so the graphs say.

Again, not sure what to believe.

M.A.R.

10:44

@FaheemMitha I'm not entirely sure what happened, but there were a few incidents IIRC where the faulty batch numbers had to be, what's the verb in English?

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. recalled?

M.A.R.

Ah yeah, that

Faheem Mitha

So, does that make the company non-awesome?

M.A.R.

And I heard from mom (this is several years ago) that they're no longer all that great. The quality had dropped.

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. The quality of the drugs?

M.A.R.

10:46

I'm not entirely sure what, it was never interesting to me, so I can't use the technical term

Cobix used to be very popular here

It might just be a case of new import laws or something like that

Erecto (Sildenafil) is still pretty popular

@FaheemMitha So, what makes you so interested in Cipla?

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. I heard that the company had become less concerned with patients, and more concerned with money. Once it was one of India's more civilized companies.

@M.A.R. I'm glad you asked.

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha Huh interesting. A link I can read?

Faheem Mitha

I inherited some shares from my mother by way of my grandparents. I believe (though I don't know for sure) that the founder of Cipla was a friend of my mother's father, and gave him (and my grandmother) the shares as a gift. This was like 1942/1943.

Cipla was founded in 1935.

Those shares are, of course, more valuable than they were in 1942/1943.

Anyway, hence my interest in the company.

M.A.R.

I just read that new research says, in the US, prescription drugs cost 2.36 times the other countries (I assume Europe)

Faheem Mitha

A book about Cipla just came out. I would like to buy it, but it's rather expensive.

M.A.R.

10:51

The Indian government and Indian companies see no hindrances in ideology to shamelessly mimic the US

So my naive impression has been that, that India tries to mimic the US politically

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. Not really. I just heard this anecdotally, on an investment forum.

M.A.R.

Except with some fascism sauce

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. They do, yes.

@M.A.R. I don't know about politically. But they do when it comes to business. They're all proper little capitalists. Use all the jargon.

@M.A.R. The fascism is relatively new. You can thank the Fascist Idiot in Chief and his goons for that.

@M.A.R. So you like the pharmacy stuff?

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha well that often can be just nonsense

Faheem Mitha

Yoga is better for the health than drugs, though.

M.A.R.

10:53

@FaheemMitha Love it

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. Sure. Hence anecdotally.

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha Science is not well-equipped to confirm that

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. It's true. Prevention is better than cure.

Of course, yoga can't take care of everything, but it's quite helpful in prevention.

I doubt it will do anything to prevent you getting cancer, for example.

BTW, I hear that cancer is alarmingly on the rise. Do you have any inside info about that?

M.A.R.

Well, my biggest beef with physical activity science is it's so imprecise

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. Everything is imprecise, including drugs.

M.A.R.

10:55

You don't know how much it helps, so sometimes, some exercises might end up doing more harm than good, and don't get me started on diets

@FaheemMitha They're less imprecise

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. Yoga is definitely good for you. As long as you are careful.

It's quite easy to get injured if you don't know what you are doing.

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha on the rise since when?

Faheem Mitha

Or your instructor is an idiot. (Quite common.)

M.A.R.

I mean, it's what I keep hear, but it's not that alarming

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. Dunno. Recent years?

M.A.R.

10:56

It's been predicted to happen for several decades

I dunno about anything recent, like in the past decade only

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. What has been? Cancer? So you don't think it's on the rise?

M.A.R.

What I often here is more delightful, that Korean, Israeli etc. researchers are making interesting developments in cancer treatment

@FaheemMitha I think it's definitely on the rise, but it has been for like 20 years, and it was predicted that it would be on the rise

I dunno about a recent spike

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. Ok, so it has been on the rise for 20 years?

I didn't know that.

M.A.R.

And it seems self-evident. More polluted cities, especially in China, all that plastic that enters the food chain

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. Yes, sure.

Poor environmental controls...

@M.A.R. Anyway, so you enjoy all the pharma stuff, then?

M.A.R.

10:59

More acrylamide and ozone and God-knows-what that people produce while grilling and frying things improperly

@FaheemMitha Passionately. I like all the boring stuff too

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. That's nice.

But is plastic really a carcinogenic? I know a lot of chemicals must be.

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha Not as blatantly obviously as radiation, but if you have a bond to oxygen, it often can create radicals

A lot of plastic does

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. Hmm. Which tends to cause cancer? The radicals, I mean.

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha Chemical reactions often involve two electrons moving from a molecule to another. Radicals have just one, so except a few enzymes in the cell that operate with single electrons, radicals can't be eliminated in the cell

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. Oh, which implies what?

M.A.R.

11:03

And they're pretty reactive, so they can start a chain reaction or just simply react with enzymes and DNA, rendering them dysfunctional

A very small concentration of radicals suffices

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. So they can damage cell DNA?

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha Yeah, and core enzymes and regulators

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. Sounds nasty.

M.A.R.

You have natural oncogens and 'tumor suppressors' in the cell. Often a cell goes rogue because the tumor suppressors cease to function properly

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. Yes, I've heard of that. Why does that happen?

But I'm not familiar with the term oncogen. Do you mean oncogene?

M.A.R.

11:06

The way radiation causes cancer is also often explained mostly by means of radicals. IR or visible light are pretty low-energy compared to chemical bonds, but when you go to higher energies like gamma and X-ray, they can break chemical bonds because their energy suffices.

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. I understand.

M.A.R.

So they can either break DNA so that the cell's helicase enzyme won't be able to fix (simply because of the magnitude of the damage when exposed to radiation), or they can make radicals, which would react with important biological molecules

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. And can either of these cause cancer?

As I understand, one cell going rogue suffices. Maybe that's the origin of all tumors. A single cell.

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha The cell always controls itself. The chemical composition of the cell dictates whether it grows, it divides, or it performs some specific function. When radicals damage some important enzymes, the cell no longer contains the signal not to grow, so it grows, and grows, and grows

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. And turns into a tumor.

M.A.R.

11:10

@FaheemMitha I remember a figure like your immune cells kill some 35 cancerous cells every second. It's all about the rate. If your immune system won't be able to contain the damage, it will grow into a tumor

Faheem Mitha

Apparently it's a very hard problem to figure out which cells these are. And target them appropriately.

@M.A.R. Wow. Where do they get that number from? That's pretty interesting.

I didn't realise there was that number of cancerous cells in the body.

So cells are constantly going cancerous?

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha Well, most drugs work by binding onto a protein or some other molecule on the surface on the cell. Naturally, most, but not all proteins and processes inside cancerous cells will be similar to normal cells. If you try to stop glycolysis in cancer cells, some normal cells will be affected as well. If these are cells that are supposed to naturally grow and divide a lot, like cells near the skin around the hair, they'll die and hair will fall out

@FaheemMitha And that's after all the braking mechanisms integrated into the cells. As I said, cells contain several hundred tumor suppressors naturally that tell the cell not to grow or replicate its DNA or similar.

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. Three cheers for evolution.

M.A.R.

Yeah it's mind-blowing

Faheem Mitha

But where are these numbers coming from? Like when you said 35 cancerous cells every second?

M.A.R.

11:14

So when someone like me has to weaken their immune system so as not to damage the transplanted kidneys, I'm more susceptible to different sorts of cancer because I'm putting my immune system at a disadvantage

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. I see. That's unfortunate.

M.A.R.

@FaheemMitha I've read it somewhere in some textbook. It would be a conclusion from a theoretical study

But they would assume many things, so this number would vary a lot between people

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. Oh. From some model/simulation, then?

M.A.R.

Yeah

It could even just be a ballpark estimate

Faheem Mitha

@M.A.R. Right.

Terran Swett

12:30

I wonder something.

Here in the United States, tax money is usually described as going to "the government," and the stuff that that money is spent on is usually referred to as "government programs."

Do most English-speaking countries do the same, or do many of them talk about it differently? Like, perhaps, describing tax money as going to "the public treasury" and calling the stuff that it's spent on "public programs"?

Matt E. Эллен

In the UK it's common to refer to what the government does with taxes as "public spending"

In terms of collection we'd way the same as the US, or "to the taxman" or "to the HMRC"

although, I suppose "public spending" would also cover money spent by the government accrued via other means, e.g. loans

CowperKettle

12:54

Gigili

@Robusto There is a lot of mistrust, unfortunately, due to the history we have seen.

CowperKettle

> L. Frank Baum’s book The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, which appeared in 1900, is widely recognized to be a parable for the Populist campaign of William Jennings Bryan, who twice ran for president on the Free Silver platform—vowing to replace the gold standard with a bimetallic system that would allow the free creation of silver money alongside gold.

Matt E. Эллен

like the DnD system, perhaps, when 10 silver is 1 gold

Gigili

13:22

@Cerberus Knock on the door

Matt E. Эллен

13:51

our first single-prefix-requests question?

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Q: If 'pre' is previous, 'post' is after, and 'peri' is current, what is "initiation"?

In chronology: pre-event, ?-event, peri-event, post-event Maybe "ini-event" from Latin "initium"?

Faheem Mitha

@TerranSwett Well, those "government programs" include the military. I wonder if they really call that "government programs".

M.A.R.

14:39

@Robusto If I may be so rude as to intrude, the conservatives here are developing a doublespeak sort of stance towards vaccines: Anti-vax when it comes to foreign vaccines, and pro-vax when it comes to the Iranian vaccine-to-be.

But it seems less harmful than their other ideas, because I hear our vaccine is high quality (In a defying expectations sort of way, not necessarily better than Pfizer's, but I don't have the numbers handy)

@Cerberus I keep feeling I have a mild version of it, which is dangerous for my kidney

Recently, I'm getting frequent nosebleeds like a nerdy anime character

Gigili

@M.A.R. Based on what stats do you say that?

M.A.R.

@Gigili Not stats, anecdotal. My parents are very conservative and I see and hear the sort of stuff that's getting propagated on the Telegram channels they've subscribed to.

It's very unlikely the left are adopting this stance, so I stand by what I said.

And you seem to be conservative, based on our previous discussions, fancying me to be some traitorous rebellious youth.

Ohai @Arau! You're as rare as a shooting star

Makes a wish

Gigili

@M.A.R. Because you mention such facts with such a confidence that makes me eager to know the stats and numbers behind it.

@M.A.R. I'm not into political conversations, and I stand by what I said in my previous discussions.

M.A.R.

@Gigili The hiveminds on social media control what people want to hear about this stuff. There was a riot on the Capitol building because of these sort of underground rumors. Yes I'm confident, but I would stand corrected if I see I'm wrong.

So you can drop the ad hominem and dispute what I said with confident statements of your own.

Gigili

That won't happen any soon with that level of confidence.

Robusto

14:49

Conservative fantasy land isn't even funny anymore

M.A.R.

@Robusto She is an effing parasite

Overshadowing Moscow Mitch

Robusto

The sheer scale of the illusion takes your breath away.

M.A.R.

"The bigger the lie, the more they believe it."

Gigili

Nothing takes my breath away more than an uninformed person talking about his limited vision of the world.

M.A.R.

@Gigili It's so easy to say "No I'm not wrong, you're wrong!". It's easier to be critical than correct.

And speaking of corrections, you haven't proposed any.

You are, by definition, anti-vax. That riles you up, so I won't cling on to the label. But I would like to discuss why you're so skeptical in a vaccine that millions have injected.

Is everyone lying about it?

Gigili

14:54

@M.A.R. Funny, I haven't proposed "any" but you know so much to make random weird conclusions about me

M.A.R.

Your reactions tell me all I need to know. You're just a face on the internet, as am I. I don't know your name, and I don't need to. We can either discuss this, or you can keep detracting from the main point here. I'm reaching out, and you're rejecting the possibility of ever reaching a reconciliatory position.

I'm not discussing the existence of God or the meaning of life. There we can at best echo what different philosophers or hermeneutical scientists have said. We don't have a clue. But this is different.

Gigili

I don't feel the need to share my thoughts and opinions with you, why would I? And yes, we are all random people on the internet, that's why taking wild guesses might offend some people.

M.A.R.

There are very valid reasons to doubt the most innocuous things in a vaccine.

@Gigili My guesses are very far from wild. But I digress. I'm having dinner. Have a good one

CowperKettle

This book on debt by David Graeber I'm listening to is interesting, but I feel that he is comparing uncomparable things, makes wild connections, and generally rambling, using his vast knowledge in order to make all this rambling interesting. I half-expected that from an anarchist.

I listened to a book by Lenin, and it was utterly boring dogmatic bullshit intersperced with shit-slinging at all his current enemies. The book by Graeber is much more interesting.

After listening to the book by Lenin, the main feature I'd say is "shit-slinging". He is draging all his enemies through layers of shit, but makes this in an extremely boring and dogmatic way.

It must have been a horrible can of worms back then. Even though the Tzar's special services arrested them and oppressed them, they found a lot of energy to gnaw at each other's throats constantly. Probably that's why they dealt so efficiently with Russia's short-lived democratic regime in the summer of 1917, which was not as toxic.

Gigili

I'd discuss different topics now and then, but not now. I am not in the mood for such discussions.

I had you on ignore and changed my mind just a few minutes ago. (just a heads-up)

Tim

15:17

Is it true that there are more tuna than salmon and sardine in fish can market?

Robusto

@Gigili Is that directed at me?

CowperKettle

> Indy, short for I'm not dead yet, is a gene found in the fruit fly Drosophila melanogaster, an important model organism. Mutant versions of this gene have doubled the average life span of fruit flies in at least one set of experiments, but this result has been subject to controversy.

@M.A.R. I'm sorry to hear that!

I'm glad that Iran also develops a vaccine.

In Russia, the second vaccine has gone into limited distribution. 1000 doses arrived in Yekaterinburg two days ago.

And a third vaccine is expected to go into manufacture in March.

Thus, by June there must be three Russian vaccines available.

I hope some Western vaccine also gets a permission by June.

> Johnson&Johnson Vaccine Candidate 72% Effective in the US and 66% Effective Overall at Preventing Moderate to Severe COVID-19, 28 Days after Vaccination

Good news keep coming in.

Two good results from stage III trials from two different new vaccines.

Might be registered in a couple of months.

tchrist

15:46

> With this executive order, environmental justice will be at the center of all we do, addressing the disproportionate health and environmental and economic impacts on communities of color, the so-called fence-line communities, especially those communities — Brown, Black, Native American, Poor Whites,” Biden said.

Communities-of-color                       = Fence-line communities
Fence-line communities                     = Brown, black, native american, poor whites
Brown, black, native american, poor whites = Non-european and/or non-rich
Non-european and/or non-rich               = Andorians
Andorians                                  = Disadvantaged persons
Disadvantaged persons                      = Disadvantageds
Disadvantageds                             = Persons of high disadvantageousness
Persons of high disadvantageousness        = HDAV commununities

Cerberus

The language is indeed deplorable.

tchrist

Round and round and round she goes, and where she stops, nobody knows.

Cerberus

"Environmental justice"?

tchrist

orders of execution for the environmentally justiciable

Invariably do the routes of obfuscatory language traverse the Latinate.

Cerberus

Indeed.

Hoe is your fever?

tchrist

15:52

Fever is in normal range again upon arising. But it usually is, and deteriorates as the day fails.

But I also awoke to extreme congestion and an outrageous level of sneezing. I have since treated both prophylactically after the customary fashion.

It was again 29 below here this morning at Antero Reservoir.

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