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In normal years I drive to LA to see my son, and I often go through Needles. 113 is not exceptional there for August.
Sometimes to avoid traffic I take the southern route, which goes by Palm Springs, which is not exactly cooler.
 
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@Robusto Never liked that guy, but at least some of his comedy is funny (when it's not racist or cringy)
That's more than I can say for . . . Half of Hollywood?
@M.A.R. Same with me, but here he's not doing his shtick and is making good points.
02:26
@M.A.R. Yes, but it is good that at least there are some studies.
Lukashenko and his 15 yo son in the palace, with the press-secretary. Surreal.
02:50
Facebook is jerks' milieu.
This country is technologists' milieu.
Russia is Russians' milieu
LinkedIn is practicists' milieu.
03:06
Grass is grasshoppers' milieu.
03:21
Elijah Jovan McClain (February 25, 1996 – August 30, 2019) was a 23-year-old African-American massage therapist from Aurora, Colorado, who died following an encounter with the police while walking home on August 24, 2019. An Aurora citizen reported to police that McClain was wearing a ski mask and acting "sketchy", although the caller also indicated that he did not believe anyone was in danger, and that he believed McClain was unarmed. The three police officers who were involved in the incident, Nathan Woodyard, Jason Rosenblatt and Randy Roedema, said that their body cameras were knocked off during...
03:36
I never knew that ketamine is used to restrain people. I knew that ketamin might be dangerous, and in Russia it is only allowed for use on animals, and there are cases when people are put under criminal investigation for using it.
Word of the day: run sheet (A standard document used by first responders and other emergency medical service care providers that documents the patient's chief complaint, history, physical examination, provided services, and clinical course during transportation to a medical center.)
04:06
@CowperKettle It's sometimes used in emergency situations where they can't get the medical history of the person, or their weight etc, or when the other possible choices are contraindicated because the subject's cardio is already too depressed. The effective versus lethal dose ratio is much broader than with the other agents.
It is also sees cyclical use as a "club drug"; that is, "recreationally". The Denver cops have long used it in highly inappropriate circumstances to terrible effect. They've used it ridiculously often. Most people are unaware that cops do this to people.
@CowperKettle When there are walnuts around, sledgehammers are illegal.
@CowperKettle Sadly, Colorado is hardly alone in this practice. Here’s Minnesota.
Ketamine is not a cure for severe delirium; rather, it is its cause.
Might as well shoot up a raving lunatic with PCP.
It's such a trouble that humans need to eat so often and a food robot has been invented and deployed as widespread as the internet.
@CowperKettle maybe they just needed a big house. Look how happy they look
04:21
which eatery to go to eat with food which can sustain the longest with the lest cost and still doesn't taste too bad?
Windmills are millers' milieu
@CaptainBohemian that would sound like carbs but you already said you don't like noodles
I like some noodles but those noodles I like the most are not sold in the neighborhood or in too small amount to sustain me long enough based on their price
Malicious militia mollify the mole in the Millers' milieu
@CaptainBohemian well, there's gotta be some cheap carbohydrate sources there. I dunno, risecake?
I actually like noodles more than rice.
but there are thousand kinds of noodles, not all of whom taste so good.
this are only a handful kinds of rice, but only one kind of rice is commonly sold.
@M.A.R. mole ≠ molly :)
04:29
instant noodles are the kind of noodles which taste the worst
@CaptainBohemian That's strange to me. Here we have many kinds of rice sold. Long, short. Brown, black.
You don't use the same kind of rice for a risotto or paella as you would use for an Indian pilaf.
@tchrist most eateries use white rice to cook fried rice or porridge. Only very few eateries provide purple rice or yellow rice.
Yes, the purple rice is quite uncommon. But here you can always get things served with brown rice or white rice.
Well, not sushi or risotto of course.
Whole Foods does use purple rice for a few of their sushi offerings.
The red rice is also a rarity. Again, it is not usually in eateries, except for the highest end ones in special dishes.
I think rice is harder to cook than noodles because it's like that I have never seen instant rice.
It exists. It should not.
You would hate it. Everybody does.
Instant rice is rice that has been precooked. Some types are microwave ready. Some types are dehydrated so that they cook more rapidly. Regular rice requires 18–30 minutes to cook while instant rice needs 1–7 minutes. Because it has already been cooked, all that is necessary to prepare instant rice is to simply microwave it or re-hydrate it with hot water. == Preparation process == Instant rice is made using several methods. The most common method is similar to the home cooking process. The rice is blanched in hot water, steamed, and rinsed. It is then placed in large ovens for dehydration until...
It's really gross. Completely terrible mouth-feel.
> A mixture of brown, white, and red indica rice, also containing wild rice, Zizania species.
Where the North American “wild rice” is not really rice per se.
Very different nutritional profile, also. But tasty, especially if you get it right from the Indians who harvest it. The store-bought brands tend to be too dried out.
Wild rice (Ojibwe: manoomin; also called Canada rice, Indian rice, and water oats) is four species of grasses forming the genus Zizania, and the grain that can be harvested from them. The grain was historically gathered and eaten in North America and China. While now a delicacy in North America, the grain is eaten less in China, where the plant's stem is used as a vegetable. Wild rice is not directly related to Asian rice (Oryza sativa), whose wild progenitors are O. rufipogon and O. nivara, although they are close cousins, sharing the tribe Oryzeae. Wild-rice grains have a chewy outer sheath with...
04:46
@tchrist There is also a huge wave of research into ketamine as a fast-acting antidepressant.
@CowperKettle There is indeed.
I translated a couple of popular-level articles about this into Russian.
Has to be better than electro-shock "therapy".
@tchrist what I mean by instant rice is the rice which only needs to be poured with hot water for 3 minutes before eating, like instant noodles.
@CaptainBohemian Yeah, there is some of that too in the instant cups, but I find it doesn't work well.
04:48
My psychiatrist friend in Moscow wishes to use it on his patients. The ketamine.
@CowperKettle I believe it is delivered in a clinical setting, and may even be while unconscious.
Although he strongly believes that EST therapy is effective
I think you spend an overnight at a hospital for the treatment, and that it isn't something you recall.
maybe I have eaten instant rice but I forget.
@CowperKettle I have a friend, though, who was in the burns ICU for a long time after an accident, and they ended up using ketamine instead of the normal anaesthesia for at least some of his various allografts and later autografts. I believe this was because he had been on hydromorphone drip for too long for the pain to allow for normal ones.
He wasn't really unconscious for it.
04:52
it's like all kinds of rices need to be cooked for long before eating while all kinds of noodles only need to be cooked for several minutes. I don't think I would have time to cook rice. Fortunately I like noodles more than rice.
@CaptainBohemian I oscillate.
by the way I have never bought a bag of uncooked rice.
Because your mom buys it? :)
I love mejadra, it's rice mixed with green lentils and some sautéed grated carrot and onion.
That sounds nice.
04:54
I used to prepare it a lot. It goes well with ketchup.
What doesn't? :)
Mujaddara (Arabic: مجدرة‎ mujadarah, with alternative spellings in English majadra, mejadra, moujadara, mudardara, and megadarra) consists of cooked lentils together with groats, generally rice, and garnished with sautéed onions. == Name and origin == Mujaddara is the Arabic word for "pockmarked"; the lentils among the rice resemble pockmarks. The first recorded recipe for mujaddara appears in Kitab al-Tabikh, a cookbook compiled in 1226 by al-Baghdadi in Iraq. Containing rice, lentils, and meat, it was served this way during celebrations. Without meat, it was a medieval Arab dish commonly consumed...
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@Cerberus handy word
08:32
Naralny is in Berlin now, still in a coma. I wonder what got put in his tea 45 minutes before he boarded the plane in Tomsk that could have this effect, an hour or so later, pain plus coma.
08:45
@Xanne Maybe it was not tea, because his close associate bought the tea, and the salesman (what do you call the coffeeshop clerk?) could not know that it was for Alexey Navalny
I think that it will take quite a while to discover the cause.
Could be some disease too, we cannot rule that out.
It was gruesome that in Omsk his medical records and scans were routinely leaked to Telegram channels, all the while his wife was barred from even entering in his room
09:02
@CowperKettle Yeah, I figured the tea might not be vehicle.
the vehicle.
A woman was standing in a single-person picket with a sign supporting the Khabarovsk protests. She had the misfortune to pronounce the sentence "Three, two, one, Putin is not for us" and was fined 2000 rubles for an "offensive statement against the head of power".
Luckily, 2000 rubles is not that much, only 1/20 of a monthly salary
A year and a half ago Putin adopted a law against "abusive statements denigrating persors of authority", and this law has been interpreted more and more loosely.
The last several months, there are reports of people being fined for even mild critique of the government figures.
 
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> In Welsh, the word for blue came from the word for green, so that the literal translation of grass (glasswelt) is blue straw.
12:08
@CowperKettle apparently in quite a few languages, the words for "green" and "blue" are the same
12:24
yeah, the number of colour words in a language is a minimum of 2 (one for black and one for white) and the rest are based on colours in their environment. I can't remember the details, it was over a decade and a half when I was learning about it.
The Trump administration is considering bypassing normal US regulatory standards to fast-track an experimental coronavirus vaccine from the UK for use in America ahead of the presidential election, according to three people briefed on the plan.
oh yeah, that sounds realllllly safe
I think that in this situation it's understandable
although it probably is quite safe if it's already in human trials
:shrug:
a difficult decision. if in the end the results say "actually ineffective" then you've had x months where people who have had the vaccine have false confidence.
which is worse than no vaccine
but on the other hand, if it does work then you've probably saved a lot of people
If these possibilities are highlighted and care is taken, it may work out
12:54
I think even if a coronavirus vaccine is approved to be on market, not everyone will be injected.
That's true. There will be people who can't and people who won't
Hopefully governments will be smart enough to provide it for free
The government executes compulsory health insurance, but I am still not insured most of time.
So I would say the government can't really excute compulsory welfare measures
It also excutes some kind of compulsory labor insurance which I don't quite understand
I am not insured in that kind of insurance
I think the government just likes people to pay money to them or do some kind of labor
The government doesn't like to pay people to do science very much
They prefer to pay retired civil officers
Wes
Wes
13:19
Hello everybody. Hope I can ask questions here.
Other than be used to do trips to the island, the boat is used as floating restaurant.
is it obligatory to use the -ing form here? being
my engrish is bad.
Why dogs dance do poorly?
Because they have two left feet.
hahahahahahahhaha
very funny
13:40
@Wes hi, welcome (?)
@Wes what are you trying to convey? "The boat serves as a floating restaurant alongside its main purpose of guiding tours to the island"?
Wes
Wes
yes
@CowperKettle I think that's obviously sacrificing integrity to save Republican face at the last moment.
@Wes well, "other than be used" doesn't work
@CowperKettle Understandable, but despicable nonetheless
Wes
Wes
i am not sure about the tense, but progressive is strange so being doesn't sound too bad
other than being used for trips to the island, the boat is (being used?) used also as floating restaurant
the mixed up tenses sound weird for me
@Wes I think the reason it sounds strange is you make it to the nth word without finding anything meaningful
@Wes both work, but there are better ways to convey the information
Why not just use two simple sentences?
Wes
Wes
@M.A.R. you are suggesting to swap? like "the boat is used for trips to the island, other than being a floating restaurant"
13:50
@Robusto Thank you very much.
Well that might not be possible because of the context, but yeah, a better way to word it
Wes
Wes
not understanding what you mean with "you make it to the nth word without finding anything meaningful"
you mean that the subject is way in deep in the sentence, instead of at the very beginning?
@tchrist No problem.
@Wes I'm saying the reason it sounds like it could use some improvement is that when you say "other than being used to . . . " I'm halfway through the sentence and have no idea what it's trying to say.
Wes
Wes
so you are saying to move the subject at the start of the sentence? :P
13:55
Yes, I'm saying that's one way to reword it to something more idiomatic
Wes
Wes
googles idiomatic
in italian we swap phrases like that to make the style less predictable, otherwise it sounds boring. guess that doesn't work in english
nice avatar tho
gotta lookup the video on youtube now :D
Can somebody tell what was the exact reason for Poseidon cursing Odysseus to face all those suffereings?
Was it only for Odysseus made the Greeks to win the war?
Mythology & Folklore might be a better place to ask?
No one is active in that chatroom and I already consulted b jonas on Literature.SE
Should I ask it on the main site?
Wes
Wes
because odysseus tricks polyphemus and makes him blind. polyphemus is poseidon's son
14:07
I can't do any better than wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odysseus
I heard Odysseus blinded (pierced hot iron into Polyphemus's eyes) after he was cursed.
I mean, his journey towards home started and he met Polyphemus somewhere between the journey.
Wes
Wes
> Mainly, Poseidon hates Odysseus for blinding Polyphemus, who is Poseidon's son. Other reasons include their support for opposing sides in the Trojan war, Poseidon siding with the Trojans and Odysseus with the Greeks.
Antheraea polyphemus, the Polyphemus moth, is a North American member of the family Saturniidae, the giant silk moths. It is a tan-colored moth, with an average wingspan of 15 cm (6 in). The most notable feature of the moth is its large, purplish eyespots on its two hindwings. The eyespots give it its name – from the Greek myth of the cyclops Polyphemus. The species was first described by Pieter Cramer in 1776. The species is widespread in continental North America, with local populations found throughout subarctic Canada and the United States. The caterpillar can eat 86,000 times its weight at...
@Wes Sounds accurate enough.
@Knight Oh, news travels fast!
@Gigili nice
@Knight which main site?
> In 1932 Australia engaged in the historic emu wars, where a small military brigade armed with two machineguns faced off against 20,000 emus. This battle was violent, furious and ultimately fruitless. The emu war of 2020 is different but no less dire. It is a war of words … well one word. The first shot was fired by National Public Radio in the US when it ruled on Friday that ee-moo was a correct and acceptable pronunciation of the name Australia’s national bird.
Can't say I've ever heard anybody say /imu/ before.
Well, except maybe for those talking cows at airports.
If they don't nip this one in the bud, there are sure to be organ protests.
14:41
The Berlin clinic has announced that Navalny was probably poisoned by an ACh inhibitor.
Acetylcholinesterase is the enzyme that is the primary member of the cholinesterase enzyme family. An acetylcholinesterase inhibitor (AChEI) is the inhibitor that inhibits acetylcholinesterase from breaking down acetylcholine into choline and acetate, thereby increasing both the level and duration of action of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine in the central nervous system, autonomic ganglia and neuromuscular junctions, which are rich in acetylcholine receptors. Acetylcholinesterase inhibitors are one of two types of cholinesterase inhibitors; the other being butyryl-cholinesterase inhibitors...
@MattE.Эллен Theme you is too scary!
> In might the Fëanorians
that swore the unforgotten oath
brought war into Arvernien
with burning and with broken troth;
and Elwing from her fastness dim
then cast her in the waters wide,
but like a mew was swiftly borne,
uplifted o'er the roaring tide.
Tolkien was besotted with a mew.
Well, or Eärendil was.
@tchrist Funny.
@tchrist writers and cats.
> Breeding takes place in May and June, and fighting among females for a mate is common. ... The male does the incubation; during this process he hardly eats or drinks and loses a significant amount of weight. The eggs hatch after around eight weeks, and the young are nurtured by their fathers. They reach full size after around six months, but can remain as a family unit until the next breeding season.
@MattE.Эллен Mewlings!
14:52
those dangerous balls of fur :D
well, to me anyway. they set my sinuses off something rotten
Never think them flightless, lest they take you unawares and fly at your face.
@Cerberus “What has daddy Tasmanian Tiger got in its pouch?”
This was about the emu.
But male Tasmanian Tigers also nurture their young?
@MattE.Эллен With decades of cohabitation, inurement may come.
@Cerberus No, they use their pouches for something else.
> The pouch of the male thylacine served as a protective sheath covering the external reproductive organs.
They're modest that way.
> "inurement" is an arcane word for "benefit".
> Benefit is an archaic word for doing good.
> The action of inuring, or state of being inured; habituation.
14:59
I love it when dictionaries do that.
And they don't link on mobile. So you get
> The state of being lopsided
Why, got a problem inurear?
> The state of being congruent
So hard to hear that way.
> noun for 'companion'.
@M.A.R. Wan Hong Lo?
15:01
Isn't he in a coma
Oh wait, whoops, that's the other one
Their names look alike
That is not dead which can æternal lie.
They say the sister is even crazier
The undescended twinling.
I don't know if she's tingling or not but she look damn pissed in Google.
We don't know much about the politics there do we?
That's just the beer goggles.
15:07
You have enough gossip everywhere else to finish The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring.
Right now I'd be content with Autumn Mists.
15:43
@Mitch You mean "funny"?
How is "census" pronounced? As in "Portland counts, #2020census"
Never mind, GIMF
@Gigili It's funny because it's true.
'It's funny because it's true' is funny because it's not always true.
@Mitch Mythology SE
@Cerberus Didn't understand that.
15:58
@Knight It was a little joke; you said, "I heard x happened", so I pretended to read that as if you had heard recent news or gossip or something.
Oh!
You interested in Greek Myths?
Well.
I would point to my name.
Oh
So, I'm really interested in the conversation of Tiresias and Odysseus. Can you please let me know the significance of that event?
16:14
@Cerberus That's not much of a reason. Maybe you're just some kind of weirdo.
@Cerberus Ah... guessed and confirmed.
@Knight Perhaps if you could be more specific?
I'm not an expert on the Odyssey.
But Tiresias gives Odysseus much information.
Which greatly helps him in his odyssey.
Cantos I by Ezra Pound. He writes that event in his first Cantos. Some people have to say that visiting the underworld and talking to deads shows that no matter how strong you were after death everyone goes to the same place.
So, what I was thinking you could help me in analyzing why the underworld visit was so much important and how it was important.
16:53
@tchrist I wonder what "mew" means there
> He moved to Italy in 1924 and throughout the 1930s and 1940s embraced Benito Mussolini's fascism, expressed support for Adolf Hitler, and wrote for publications owned by the British fascist Sir Oswald Mosley. During World War II, he was paid by the Italian government to make hundreds of radio broadcasts criticizing the United States, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Jews
Alternatively, you could ask a Question on Literature or on Latin.
@CowperKettle A kind of seagull.
Meeuw in Dutch.
@Cerberus Ah! Sense 1 in Wiktionary, I overlooked it!
> From helm to sea they saw him leap, / As arrow from the string, / And dive into the water deep, / As mew upon the wing.
Thanks to welkin, Tolkien wrote metric poetry, good old rhythmic rhyming poetry
Wait, so a mew shat on Tolkien?
> A poet had a cat.
There is nothing odd in that--
(I might make a little pun about the Mews!)
But what is really more
Remarkable, she wore
A pair of pointed patent-leather shoes.
Since when are poets stylish
17:18
soaking instant Intalian noodles
> And I doubt me greatly whether
E’er you heard the like of that:
Pointed shoes of patent-leather
On a cat!
> Hemingway wrote: "The best of Pound's writing—and it is in the Cantos—will last as long as there is any literature."
Anyone can make a rhyme
If given just a little time
To match some words that sound alike
Like bike or tyke or hike or shrike
But only matchless poets find
An image born deep in the mind
That blooms for all the world to see
And plants in other minds a tree
Whose leaves are hands or boats or wings
Which start with *speaks* and end with *sings*.
@Robusto Nice! At least a proper metric poem from you! It's great! Did you write it?
@CowperKettle I wrote it in about five minutes just now.
You should post your poetry on Allpoetry.com
For posterity
17:28
Posterity has enough problems without me adding to them.
Shrikes () are carnivorous passerine birds of the family Laniidae. The family is composed of 33 species in four genera. The family name, and that of the largest genus, Lanius, is derived from the Latin word for "butcher", and some shrikes are also known as butcherbirds because of their feeding habits. The common English name shrike is from Old English scrīc, alluding to the shrike's shriek-like call. == Distribution, migration, and habitat == Most shrike species have a Eurasian and African distribution, with just two breeding in North America (the loggerhead and northern shrikes). No members of...
See if you can find other bird allusions in that poem.
I will repost your poem on Facebook for my friends to read
Meh. Just don't use my name, please.
Okay
I will write "Robusto"
17:32
To be honest, @Cerberus I first thought your name is related to something Cerebrum or Cerebellum. But lately I found it is related to Greek Myths.
After posting my poems on Allpoetry, I'm obliged to give a couple of reviews to others' poems. Your poem is way better than 95% of the poems I've reviewed.
It feels bad when you find a bird carnivorous
> Sweet fire the sire of muse, my soul needs this;
I want the one rapture of an inspiration.
O then if in my lagging lines you miss
The roll, the rise, the carol, the creation,
My winter world, that scarcely breathes that bliss
Now, yields you, with some sighs, our explanation.
@CowperKettle Back atcha.
2 days ago, by Robusto
You're a fan of Hopkins? I like a lot of his imagery, but his religion gets in the way for me.
His use of language is, of course, exceptional.
@Robusto I tried to read his huge poem about the sunken ship, and could not understand it, it's so complex
His poems are divided into two groups: masterpieces and trainwrecks
17:44
Well, there are also a few insipid ones in the mix.
"The Wreck of the Deutschland"
The Wreck of the Deutschland is a 35-stanza ode by Gerard Manley Hopkins with Christian themes, composed in 1875 and 1876, though not published until 1918. The poem depicts the shipwreck of the SS Deutschland. Among those killed in the shipwreck were five Franciscan nuns forced to leave Germany by the Falk Laws; the poem is dedicated to their memory. The poem has attracted considerable critical attention, and is often considered Hopkins' masterpiece because of its length, ambition, and use of sprung rhythm and instress. == Popular culture == Hopkins's struggles while writing the poem form the...
Yeah, too much work to wind up with Christian allegory.
I mean, I get that his inspiration is numinous, and I respect that. But to achieve what he does in language and then relate it literally to a threadbare and shopworn hand-me-down God feels to me like an inversion of apotheosis.
I lived in an atheistic society, so I haven't gotten the feeling that God is "shopworn".
Maybe only recently I had some thoughts that the Church is crook.
When the Church got in cahoots with billionaires to destroy a park in the center of Yekaterinburg.
Until that, I felt nothing bad about it.
@CowperKettle It wasn't atheistic, it only replaced God with "the State."
The religion of Communism.
@Robusto There was an American communist who visited the Communist Party congress in the 1920s and wrote a great poem about... the Cathedral in St. Petersburg
He was a Communist and a Catholic
I memorized the poem
> Bow down my soul in worship very low
And in the holy silences be lost.
Bow down before the marble man of woe,
Bow down before the singing angel host.
What jewelled glory fills my spirit's eye,
What golden grandeur moves the depths of me!
The soaring arches lift me up on high
Taking my breath with their rare symmetry.

Bow down my soul and let the wondrous light
Of beauty bathe thee from her lofty throne,
Bow down before the wonder of man's might.
Bow down in worship, humble and alone;
Bow lowly down before the sacred sight
Festus Claudius "Claude" McKay (September 15, 1889 – May 22, 1948) was a Jamaican writer and poet, who was a central figure in the Harlem Renaissance. He wrote five novels: Home to Harlem (1928), a best-seller that won the Harmon Gold Award for Literature, Banjo (1929), Banana Bottom (1933), Romance in Marseille (published in 2020), and in 1941 a manuscript called Amiable With Big Teeth: A Novel of the Love Affair Between the Communists and the Poor Black Sheep of Harlem which remained unpublished until 2017. McKay also authored collections of poetry, a collection of short stories, Gingertown...
He was a homosexual to boot.
17:55
You seem to like sonnets very much.
Yes, they are the best form
I wrote only one sonnet.
Or two.
The first was based on a translation of a sentence from a Russian business letter: "It was found that there exists a practice of leaving one or two pre-signed blank forms to the workers of the night shift, so that they could handle materials in the absence of responsible persons entitled to sign material permits."
next to of course god america i
love you land of the pilgrims' and so forth oh
say can you see by the dawn's early my
country 'tis of centuries come and go
and are no more what of it we should worry
in every language even deafanddumb
thy sons acclaim your glorious name by gorry
by jingo by gee by gosh by gum
why talk of beauty what could be more beaut-
iful than these heroic happy dead
who rushed like lions to the roaring slaughter
they did not stop to think they died instead
then shall the voice of liberty be mute?
There's one from E. E. Cummings.
@Robusto Nice! I'll try to understand what it says
"can you see by the dawn's early " is from the song
@CowperKettle It's a mish-mash of American pieties jumbled together in the mouth of a jingoistic orator.
Cryptic. Did stars not shine before he caught a star?
18:08
McKay again?
No, it's Cummings
Ah, OK.
It's from the Wikipedia page
@CowperKettle 'The poems were commenting on prejudice, he pointed out, and not condoning it. He intended to show how derogatory words cause people to see others in terms of stereotypes rather than as individuals. "America (which turns Hungarian into 'hunky' & Irishman into 'mick' and Norwegian into 'square- head') is to blame for 'kike,'" he said.'
People often can't see what poets and writers are going after, and condemn them for using forbidden words.
This is why there's such a fuss about Mark Twain and Huckleberry Finn. He used the word "nigger" because that is the word people used in antebellum Missouri. They completely ignore the fact that the book is one of the finest works against racism ever written.
18:24
And I now
Will rest my case
https://www.google.com/search?q=puss+in+boots&oq=puss+in+boots&aqs=chrome..69i57j46l2j0l2j46j0l2.5048j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
@Robusto Screw people, y'know. The other day I saw them showing screenshots of Bradbury from Fahrenheit 451 admiring the little girl and calling him a pedo or something.
@Robusto I'm okay with the use of "nigger", I just don't understand the meaning of the poem. I'll ask on Literature SE
(Countee Cullen)
@CowperKettle What don't you understand?
@Cerberus Did stars not shine before he caught a star?
@Knight Quite so!
And "that not to understand", but I guess it's a minor detail
18:37
Oh, the other poem.
Let me see.
Cryptic indeed.
19:00
@CowperKettle That's like an "origin story" fable, not something to take literally.
> Pinafore. 1782, "sleeveless apron worn by children," originally to protect the front of the dress, from pin (v.) + afore "on the front." So called because it was originally pinned to a dress front.
And I thought it was something derived from French
@Robusto Yes, I know but I thought that the word was taken from French, it sounds gallant
Wes
Wes
> The boat would not return to the island today, because, as mentioned earlier, the engine still needs to be repaired.
are commas fine here?
Incidentally, the pinafore was used because the buttons on a little girl's dress would be destroyed by frequent washing in the harsh lye-based detergents of the day.
Think "afore" as an archaic term synonymous with "before."
It's still seen in some dialects of English.
So a pinafore is something that is pinned "afore" a little girl's dress.
This was obviously from an era where well-off children were expected to wear formal clothes all the time. Kind of like putting plastic coverings on furniture.
@M.A.R. Yeah. They're the ones with the dirty minds.
19:22
@Robusto Well, maybe it's not just that. It's an appeal to modernity, and then making a habit of being judgemental pricks
That too.
@CowperKettle "The star is only big enough to be outside the nigger's comprehension" is how I read it.
The caption is good too
Now I want a Season 6 where Walt will build turrets on deer
19:54
@Wes Yes.

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