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Well ABBA is four actual names. Anni, Agneta, Björn and Benny. They left out the Jets. Probably because ABBAJ looked like a terrorist group.
No idea about IKEA though.
Ich kenne ein Arschloch.
Maybe it's Ingeborg, Kristof, Ella and Anton.
Ich kenne ein Arschloch.
Maybe it's Ingeborg, Kristof, Ella and Anton.
Jetzt sehe ich alles doppelt.
I kept getting a retry dialogue.
Not sure what that was about.
00:01
I didn't keep getting it but I did get it once.
@Robusto obviously you never watched the Matrix.
I did, but I fell asleep.
True story.
Exciting. Would read again.
You shouldn't have started with the third part.
I actually tried to watch it three times, but fell asleep each time.
That is what happened to me and Dark Knight Rises.
That's what happens when my prefrontal cortex is not engaged.
00:04
Every single time, by the twenty minute mark I'm gone.
And I really liked The Dark Knight. Even though I thought I'd hate it.
Noice. But what was that talk at the beginning all about. She seemed really cross like he came to his guitar lesson unprepared.
@RegDwigнt Nah, she was just talking about how to handle the intro, with the percussion etc.
I figured. But that's why I'm wondering. Is this their first performance together. A spontaneous jam session.
Aw, hell no. They've been together for at least a decade.
She seems to do a lot of the heavy lifting while he just plucks out the melody.
This is the first thing I ever heard them do:
A Metallica cover. Who knew?
00:12
Sorry, they gave me Pink Floyd next. I don't mind if I do.
Haha, 20 minutes.
They're goin' all Lars Ulrich on them guitar tops.
So they only play the first half of the song.
Also, isn't Metallica verboten on YouTube. By Lars Ulrich himself.
I can't keep up with all this YouTube blocking shit.
Rick Beato was blocked on a Queen song recently and I could find about five versions of the song complete that had been up on YT for like five years.
No, not YouTube blocking. I mean, Metallica and Madonna famously refused to be on the Internet at all. Like before even Napster.
Some audience members may remember.
YouTube literally wouldn't be invented for another fifteen years and Lars was already suing everyone who dared to listen to his shit at all.
Beats me.
00:15
But maybe after thirty years they figured, this Internet thing may catch on in the end.
Maybe the Internet is what killed Kurt Cobain.
He was dead like a year later. Coincidence? I think not.
Do listen to R&G's version of "Orion" though. Kind of a tour de force.
Video killed the radio star.
Beauty killed the beast.
What's the third one.
It wasn't beauty killed the beast. It was the airplane.
Um. Whatever. Such a violent world. We should all just listen to Cat Stevens.
Or Yusuf Islam, rather.
Can't keep up with them gangsta rappers and their sick names.
Ah yes, curiosity killed the cat, of course.
Yeah. And what's this with changing religions just to bag a few more wives?
00:19
Funny I wouldn't remember that but would remember Cat Stevens. And then still not remember the cat for another minute.
I couldn't remember IKEA and had to think about it for a bit till it came to me.
@Robusto most people struggle with even just one wife. Or with zero. I don't see how having more is an improvement.
How little I pay attention to such things.
@RegDwigнt Perhaps in the sense that they can talk themselves out before you come home?
Nov 17 '13 at 16:10, by RegDwigнt
Attention is the worst paid person in this room.
That was seven years before COVID, of course.
You like to play your hits reel, don't you?
00:22
Oh, surprise guitar change 11 minutes in.
@Robusto why bother with Schönberg if you've found the one note that sounds nice.
I'm not criticizing, just observing.
Oh, and you'll want to check this out as well:
And I'm not riposting, just analyzing.
To play the hits reel you need to have hits. Plural. So I can only take that as the compliment that it surely must be.
@Robusto uh, maybe in another three years or so. Kinda saturated with Led right now.
Then again, I might still prefer them to Metallica. If only because I should.
Nah. Listen to them both. If only for their amazing ability to do all that with just two classical guitars.
00:27
@Robusto Oh my fucking God that is genuinely amazing.
Didn't see that payoff coming.
> November of 1971 I'm 18 still living at home, it's Saturday, Dad expects help in the yard but I convince Mom that I'm sick and need to spend the day in my room. I drop acid and spend the day (or a lifetime on the floor) between my stereo speakers and that was first time I heard Echoes and it became a part of me. Now at 67 the music is still just as devastating as ever. Rodrigo y Gabriela, you've made an old man cry tears of joy. Soul to Soul, much love, Jeff
How do we always find to that corner of the Internet where people actually post real comments.
I dropped acid to Pink Floyd many times in them days. Hard to distinguish. But I started with their first album.
Which I still think is among their finest.
I wouldn't even know how to get acid.
Well, I would, but I'm not sure they still deal in that.
Neither would I. When I was 17 it was all over the place.
Never tried it never will.
Drugs are kinda wasted on me.
People don't even pass the joint to me anymore because they know. No effect at all. Waste of perfectly fine grass.
Well ... I'm not sorry I did. When I was 21 I forswore all that. My very last trip was 6-2/3 hits of mescaline, since there were three of us and we wanted to finish up the last 20 hits we had all at once, don't ask me why.
00:34
I'm sure it is different with stuff that actually burns holes in my brain, but I'm not very eager to test.
But it was magnificent. For one thing, I suddenly understood art, and it stayed with me. And I really mean that.
@Robusto to be perfectly honest, "why" is not a question that would even cross my mind in that context.
Well, it's part of the story, so go with it.
Ah, okay.
@Robusto what kind of art. Or all kinds of art.
Proved two things to me: 1) I could handle any amount of tripping I wanted to do, and 2) I didn't need it.
@RegDwigнt I guess capital "A" Art. What it is, what people are after trying to do it. That includes art, music, dance, all that. Everything. Human expression.
00:38
Hm.
I'm trying to think.
If only because I've not tried before. But I think now that I can't create art under influence.
I don't create new things when I'm drunk. I create new things when I'm sad.
I'm not saying do it under the influence. I'm saying I achieved some kind of satori from my last trip that has lasted me to the present day.
@M.A.R. Ah, smart.
No no, I get that.
I just spinning the wheel.
The pure impulse of artistic self-expression. It's not about money or fame or anything else like that. It's about putting down in some form what moves you. It's about giving something back to the universe, holding up a mirror to it and saying "Look what you did to me. You brought this about and I can't do anything but give it back, changed through me but in a new form that reflects the original."
It's almost religious.
For Bach, it certainly was that.
@Mitch No, but you'll have long forgotten that phrase by the time you'll ever need it ten years later. In the meantime, you have spent six years of utter boredom. Fun fact: I learned at least two words for "walkman" in French. Guess how many I remember. And guess how many were relevant by the time I left school.
00:43
Surely the French word for "walkman" is le walkman.
OK, I guess the moment has passed.
Yeah I was about to say that.
At least you've had your moment. I'm still waiting on mine, as it were.
I still stand by what I said.
It's the closest I ever got to religious feeling.
And I still feel it, nearly 50 years later. Make of that what you will.
Oh I've had mine alright. No idea what it was. But it sure wasn't about art and gave me no insight at all.
Jan 31 '14 at 1:10, by RegDwigнt
@tchrist I truly believe that God spoke to me at the age of sixteen I think. It was night and I was not asleep and some presence was hovering in a corner of my room and it spoke to me.
It was the weirdest shit ever. And I didn't even have LSD.
I wish I knew what it was saying. I wish it did. It came from nothing and left me with nothing. Didn't even teach me piano.
I never had anything like that, though I tried to see God in my life until I realized what a sham human religion was. What most people call God I call the universe, and though it may be indifferent to me I cannot be indifferent to it.
00:50
Well I'm just using that word for lack of a better one.
For all the good that it did I may as well call it Susan. Or excavator.
The first time I ever tripped I knew I was tripping when that song came on.
Well. It's sorta in the music, though. Would you know it if you had been listening to Schubert at the time?
Probably.
I see.
But it would probably have taken longer.
00:56
> LSD, or any psychedelics, may not make better music, but they certainly paint a interesting perspective into a bizarre world most people never get to experience. This album isn't just one trip, its hundreds.
> I guess it takes that many trips into the unknown to be able to actually start putting a decent representation of it into music and words. In fact, I have never found a more accurate representation (in my experience) of an intense psychedelic trip than this album. It's quite amazing actually.
That is very true.
I wouldn't know. Which is why it's interesting.
I just take any music at face value.
There is something so essentially trippy about that album, which kind of breaks down the ego into its constituent parts, like before you were even a child.
For example:
And there were others. Here's what got me into classical music for real:
After that I kind of went backwards through time to get to Bach, but it was a real feast.
> Sinfonia stretched my ears as a kid and deepened my appreciation of Mahler, Beckett and syntheses of various art forms. I come back to it now and then, always fondly.
Maybe there are people like you, after all.
I think so.
01:05
> Back in 1969, I thought I loved this work. Sorry to say, “No more”. Maybe that’s just an age thing. Now, give me Mozart and J.S. Bach. Or, hell, Mahler by himself. This piece, which I thought I loved, sounds like a dirty room or a dump. And I hate to say that. Oh, well, there are moments that are wonderful, but just moments. Give me Mahler’s Second, there is heaven itself. Must we live in a home that’s been metaphorically destroyed?
It's interesting how this one sort of argues the opposite point and yet the same point.
@RegDwigнt Something in that person has died—"a dirty room," really?—I can still listen to it today and feel the joy I felt upon hearing it for the first time. The only difference is that it has shrunk a bit, only because the rest of my musical awareness has expanded to fill in the rest of my life.
I remember listening to Berio in tenth grade.
It was one of the sequenze per voce femminile.
Well, probably the III.
And I mean, in tenth grade as in, at school. Music lessons. Bruitist avantgarde or whatever you call it in English.
I didn't even know what it was.
It did leave an impression but not in a way, like, here's some doors this music opens for me. Rather, it was like, yeah I'll close this here door and go back to Mozart, thanks much.
Pity.
01:11
Yeah well. Someone has to listen to alll them 41 symphonies.
I like to give things time.
Not that there's anything wrong with Mozart, of course. But music is a gorgeous feast. I can't always just listen to Mozart.
It's like with reading Dostoyevski. There is such a thing as not being there yet.
It took me like 20 years to even listen to a piece by Shostakovich. 30 to start listening to Stravinsky.
Rachmaninov, I still don't know. Ask me again in five years.
"The fact is, I trouble no one. But I did. And after each group disintegration the name of Mayakovsky hangs in the clean air."
01:14
Yeah that's very apropos. Could never read any Mayakovsky. I think I need to do Dostoyevsky first.
It is a process.
Als Bruitismus, vom französischen bruit (deutsch: Lärm, Geräusch), im Italienischen Rumorismo genannt, wird die Stilrichtung der Musik bezeichnet, die innerhalb des italienischen Futurismus nach 1909 geprägt wurde. Der Bruitismus war die provokative Antwort der musikalischen Avantgarde auf die als zu sanft, ätherisch und immateriell aufgefasste Musik des Impressionismus. Hauptvertreter dieses Stils, der bis heute in der Neuen Musik in Teilen nachwirkt und präsent ist, waren Francesco Balilla Pratella und Luigi Russolo. == Geschichte == Versuche, Geräusche effektvoll in Kompositionen einzuarbeiten…
No page in English, eh.
Italian of course. And French.
Apparently nobody studies that except German kids in tenth grade.
I should still have my school notes somewhere. Maybe I'll dig them out on a lazy Sunday.
See, after that last time I conceived a real hunger for music. I'd always loved it, but at that point I had to be a part of it, to have it in me and about me, and to learn all about it and know it from the inside. So never tell me drugs never did anything good. For one thing, they got me off of them and into a very rich life of the mind.
Well as the Russian saying goes, there is no bad without good.
Let's hope that's true.
That run in the sopranos is so typical.
I could recognize the style just by that second alone.
I don't even know what to call it. Maybe there's something in my school notes.
On that note, I need to get up in six hours for piano lessons and then visiting the godsons for the first time since the corona.
So maybe I should look for them school notes on a lazy Sunday alright and not right now.
Plus I'm getting timeouts again. Someone fix the Internet.
I'll probably finish the Berio. Only 12 minutes left.
Metallica will have to wait.
@RegDwigнt Seriously.
01:23
Whoa where's the eight horns coming from all of a sudden.
I need to work on my volume-adjusting skills at this hour.
Headphones, dude.
Yeah I have them on for way too long way too often so it's actually quite nice to take a break every now and then.
Plus these subwoofers are quite nice, I don't have that luxury at other times.
Anyway. Nice talking and excellent music as ever, but I must be off.
Good on ya, mate.
SLeep well and talk at ya later.
And you probably will be called off to dinner soon.
Yes thank you and likewise.
TTYL.
Ciao.
01:46
Is The Witcher's English translation really bad?
01:59
@M.A.R. I think the pure awfulness of it all outweighs any difficulty the translation might have.
ha ha ha ha ha hah ha ha
I haven't seen it so I have no idea
@Mitch The books dude
02:53
@M.A.R. Book? I haven't seen that or the graphic novel.
 
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07:31
- Let's start all over again
- No, influenza virus
- I've changed, baby
- Why do I keep falling for this?
08:02
@CowperKettle Then flu in Russian is “grip virus”? Some people use “the grip” for an illness that’s more than a cold.
In English, that is.
Variant of grippe. So this is a Russian cognate.
Where did Russian get this word, if it’s Old English, maybe Latin?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (60): 'Way to success' or 'road to success'? ✏️ by Coleman155 on english.SE
 
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13:57
Whoa dang, there are already 7.7 billion people in the world?
It was like yesterday that the symbolic 7th billion infant was born
14:08
This is in Seattle, they say. How can people be so stupid? Taking photos with a murderer.
@M.A.R. When I was born, it was 4.3 billion
When my dad was born, it was 2.4 billion
We're heading for a disaster at breakneck speed.
Starting to consider the overpopulation gobbledygook seriously
@Xanne Google says it's a borrowing from French, first appearing in Russian in (the?) 1840s
Of course it's French
The Limits to Growth (LTG) is a 1972 report on the computer simulation of exponential economic and population growth with a finite supply of resources., commissioned by the Club of Rome, the findings of the study were first presented at international gatherings in Moscow and Rio de Janeiro in the summer of 1971. The report's authors are Donella H. Meadows, Dennis L. Meadows, Jørgen Randers, and William W. Behrens III, representing a team of 17 researchers.Since its publication, some 30 million copies of the book in 30 languages have been purchased. It continues to generate debate and has been the...
I don't consider it gobbledygook
@CowperKettle TBH I'm skeptical about a book that has "We’re at a bleak moment in human history"
14:15
The population of Russia has been declining by about 80-100 thousand people per year
It's sentimentalist.
When were we not a bleak moment, then?
WWII? Spanish flu?
It's subjective
Genau
If I'm going to be presented data, I need it to be objectively analyzed
Maybe that's why overpopulation is a tiring subject, with all the hyperbolic foreboding of doom, objectivity is lost
@CowperKettle German for "exactly"
14:17
Yes, I used Chrome's Google Translator feature to look it up
@CowperKettle What does Tochno mean?
15:09
@M.A.R. Exactly
also "precisely"
 
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@Robusto álamo, bando, brote, buñuelo, carpa, espía, esquina, estaca, ganso, gavilán, guardia, guiar, rico, ropa, tapa + blanco, bruñir, felón, fresco, guerra, guisa, lista, marca, robar, sopa, yelmo.
16:53
> The Gothic invaders were less cruel than any of their barbarian predecessors who had penetrated the once great Roman empire. They had already been converted to Christianity and had been in what is now Italy. So they were not strangers to the laws and language of the Romans. Their own Gothic tongue never appeared in written form in Spain.

It is not generally realized by most students and teachers of Spanish that the Gothic invaders were responsible, in part at least, for three major innovations in the syntax of the Latin they found in use in fifth-century Spain. Every foreigner who learns
Were there articles in Latin?
What is the most ancient language in which articles appear?
 
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@CowperKettle No, there were no articles in Latin. Ancient Greek did have definite articles, but not indefinite ones. Sanskrit also lacked articles — but could make use of demonstrative pronouns as definite articles and indefinite pronouns as indefinite articles.
Which is exactly what Romance ended up doing in the transition from Latin: it grabbed up Latin’s pronouns (usually the demonstrative pronouns ille, illa, illud but sometimes the intensive pronouns ipse, ipsa, ipsum) to use as definite articles.
Sardinian and a few of the less-used Catalan dialects used ipse; the rest used ille.
Most Catalan uses el/els, la/las from the ille set, but the Balearic and Costa Brava dialects of Catalan have a different set deriving from ipse just as Sardinian's do.
There is a theory that ille use spread by diffusion because the only remaining ipse languages are "hard" to get to, being insular.
Early versions of Italian in the far south also used an ipse set.
Mainland Catalan may have switched over from French Occitan influences.
It's still a matter under research.
Sardinian uses su as the masculine singular definite article, and sa as the feminine singular definite article. Romanian is weird, using an enclitic written so that it is attached to the end of the noun rather than coming before as in Western Romance. but it is still one that derives from the ille set.
But its indefinite articles work normally. Or kind of. It has a normal-for-Romanian masculine/feminine/neuter distinction in the singular, but always uses niște in the plural.
They come in front of the noun though, like in the rest of Romance. Just their definite ones get smacked on the ends.
So you have un loc for a place but locul for the place.
So the -l at the end is definite marker.
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Q: On the etymology of Balearic Catalan personal articles "en/na"

ukemiCatalan (like certain regional dialects of Spanish and Italian) uses definite articles before proper names: El Pere ha arribat tard aquest matí. La Maria ha arribat tard també. In eastern (Balearic) dialects of Catalan however, this function is performed by novel personal articles - en/na, fr...

Those ones for people though are from dominus/domina.
 
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20:27
@RegDwigнt Silence is Golden
Knowledge is Ignorance
France is Bacon
@tchrist So these are all words borrowed from the Goths?
20:46
@CowperKettle lol Lenin was never charged with or convicted of murder. First-world problems much?
Before pointing fingers at Canadians for taking a picture with a monument of someone, how about you remove the actual someone from the middle of the central square of your own capital.
Tsk tsk tsk.
У кого-то там, понимаешь ли, соринка лежит. А у самих бревно прям посреди Красной Площади.
21:43
@Robusto The first set definitely, the second set more nebulously from something old and Germanic.
Now you know why people of my generation have so many freakin' health issues.
Start your child on a strict regimen of sugary carbonated beverages ...
22:40
@Robusto Containing coca leaves, I hope?
23:40
@CowperKettle Where did they get all those transparent face-masks?
The Statue of Lenin, Seattle, is a 16 ft (5 m) bronze statue of Communist revolutionary Vladimir Lenin, by Bulgarian sculptor Emil Venkov. It was completed and put on display in the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic in 1988, the year before the Velvet Revolution of 1989. In 1993 the statue was bought by an American who had found it lying in a scrapyard. He brought it home to Washington state, but died before he could carry out his plans for displaying the Soviet era memento. Since 1995 the statue has been held in trust waiting for a buyer, standing on temporary display for the last 25 years on a...
"Frequently vandalized"
> ... seeing the statue cannot help but remind us of the killing and repression Lenin inspired
> During Gay Pride Week, the statue is dressed in drag.
> The statue's hands are often painted (and repainted) red to protest what critics perceive as the glorification of what they see as a historical villain who has blood on his hands.
@Cerberus No such luck.
23:56
@RegDwigнt Bullshit. It's not in my power to remove Lenin's corpse from the Red Square.
That does not make those idiots less moronic.
@RegDwigнt So what? Millions of murderers have never been charged or convicted. Lenin was a mass murderer.
Those who shake hands with Putin, a murderer, or gather around statues of Lenin, a murderer, are useful idiots.

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