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2:00 PM
Lots of German immigrants.
 
@MattE.Эллен They should follow US's example and start reducing life expectancy.
 
@Mitch yeah! how'd the USA manage that?
 
They're not great enough
 
The difference is I can understand Chileans when they talk. But the Argentinean accent is often impenetrable to me.
 
@MattE.Эллен SCIENCE!
Also, meth.
 
2:01 PM
Anyway what the heck is going on there right now?
 
@Mitch the scientific meth addic
 
More riots, Trump acting very Trumpy
 
@M.A.R. Dude...one issue at a time.
 
It's not meth, it's diet. Breakfasting Bad.
 
@Mitch I think riots are related to life expectancy
Maybe building life expectancy
 
2:03 PM
I think I saw some graphs that showed that most of the stats that contributed to life expectancy dropping was mostly the 50+ white male group over the past few years having life expectancy drop much more than other segments.
 
@Robusto good point everyone in Europe eats the continental breakfast
 
@MattE.Эллен If they ate a proper English breakfast every morning they'd never live long enough to get cancer, though.
 
and that was contributed to ... alcoholism, self harm (accidents or suicide), and obesity related diseases.
 
So they're all in the pocket of Big cancer!
 
which sound like Russia in the 1990's
@M.A.R. Only one guy dead... as of this moment.
 
2:06 PM
Will Trump move to 4chan if he ends up closing Twitter?
 
@MattE.Эллен I've heard that stopping smoking actually increases lifetime health costs, because they didn't die earlier and quicklier from lung cancer they lived long full lives of getting sicker form other more expensive things.
I've heard
 
Interesting
 
@M.A.R. sigh
@MattE.Эллен Or I could be making all that up.
 
Why sigh, he'd be less in-your-face
 
without fact checking I guess I'll never know
 
2:07 PM
But I did hear the thing about 'increases costs' somehow.
it makes a good story
 
My son, a scientist who works on cancer drugs, says there is no cure for cancer, only reprieves. In his industry, you're not considered cancer-free until you die of something else.
 
twist ending
 
What your hypothesis does not factor is the money you earn when you're not dead already
 
Hmm... so you're trying to use facts, eh?
 
@Robusto Of course
 
2:08 PM
@M.A.R. sigh because it's like... whatever.
 
It's a cure when you deal with the primary cause. We'd need nanobots for that
@Mitch *whatevs
 
I was watching some awful crime courtroom drama from the 90the other day
 
Perry Mason?
 
Did Robin Williams win?
 
and the dialog in the courtroom scene was so awful, the 'alleged' murderer the witness saying the most ludicrous lieful sounding things but that really could be taken as plausible deniability, like well maybe that's really what happened because we don't really know except circumstantially, but the words were so unbelievable and blaming others and hateful and ad hominem and I was trying to help and ... I mean the writing was terrible but also if that what was really said it was terrible but...
@M.A.R. Nope. Vanessa Williams.
 
2:13 PM
Have you noticed the herbivore in your profile pic mitch?
 
and anyway it was strange how I kinda recognized how this guy was talking... even if it was badly written... (the guy had killed a bunch of girls over the years.)
but none of the stuff he said was incriminating but it was so... that guy is obviously lying but there's no way to really -know-...
and I realized the guy (or the way he was written) was talking just like that twitter creep.
@JohanLarsson Noticed? I barely knew him!!
Also, glad to see you back.
 
are you hyped for trump season II?
 
I don't know if 'hyped' is the thing I'm feeling.
 
haha
not really
I mean... people are idiots
 
2:17 PM
@JohanLarsson Hey, welcome back! Long time, no see.
@JohanLarsson And bite your tongue. No sequel.
 
I don't remember why I stopped opening this tab, moved to discord
Been doing lots of botany
 
@Robusto back in 2016 they were called Saturana.
 
@Robusto how are things?
 
2:32 PM
@MattE.Эллен Hmm...don't recognize that name. But anyway, they've been on ELU for awhile. But still, why do they insist on giving cut and paste answers lately?
@JohanLarsson Are there interesting conversations/communities on discord?
 
@Mitch Isn't that how they normally operate?
 
@MattE.Эллен Old-timers, or this one person in particular?
Or people whose name I don't recognize?
 
:D this particular user
 
I didn't do any research. So maybe.
 
looking at their history there was a phase of slightly better answers
but mostly it's the same style
 
2:35 PM
@Mitch yes and discord is pretty nice, prefer it over slack and gitter
discord does not have the reply to message that SE chat has, awesome feature
 
yeah, pretty much the main thing I miss when I use it
 
Hello @JohanLarsson nice to you see again, LOL
 
You seem happy!
 
I am not happy, but I like to type LOL
 
2:37 PM
@MattE.Эллен There's hope!
 
I am looking at the latest Dell XPS 13 9300 and Dell XPS 15 9500. The prices are so high.
 
@Mitch just like that time Minas Tirith looked like it would fall to the Morgul horde
 
Heard good things about xps but never used one
 
And there is going to be a new Dell XPS 17 9700 soon. It will be super expensive.
 
2:39 PM
17 is pretty clumsy for laptop
 
But the latest Dell XPS laptops are the only ones in the world with super thin bezels on all four sides of the rectangle.
 
Hello!
 
Laptop is horror for doing work so I'd optimize portability
 
It takes remarkable engineering to make such bezels.
 
Agreed.
 
2:40 PM
@MattE.Эллен There needs to be the Lord of the Rings from the point of view of the one ringwraith, the little one with the gimp.
He's just following along trying to avoid the horror of battle with the hairy toe-stabbers, the execreble HROHRBIT
 
@JohanLarsson Pretty good, except for this Covid thing.
 
is your area hit hard?
 
@Mitch my Hypothesis is that the Mordor lot are the good guys. You put up gargoyles to scare off demons and the like. If they're demons why do they have all those gargoyles? And the "good guys" have all the statues of the angles and stuff, like they're trying to fools people into thinking they're safe. Very suspicious
 
I have not noticed corona much here in sweden, wash hands and stay home if unwell has been our version of lockdown
 
@JohanLarsson Not particularly, except for the shutdown of everything.
 
2:44 PM
And wise old Sauron with his inner glow, leads him to make good choices, so he can come back to his beautiful orchette wife and beautiful orcula children and stlll save the world so he can live out his retirement in his own little metallurgy lab back in his homey little slag mine and slurry pit.
 
Sure it is noticeable in the news but life has pretty much been normal.
 
@JohanLarsson I love Sweden's way. I also love Ikea furniture and Ikea meatballs.
 
Anyway, I'm off to ride before it gets too hot. @JohanLarsson I hope you'll be on here more. Maybe talk more later. Ciao!
 
I'll try to never close this tab again
@Jasper I can't say I love it, don't hate it either
 
Anyone noticed here that in Mr Bean's Holiday, when the waitress told him he speaks good French, he said "Gracias"? LOL
 
2:46 PM
@Jasper I like Ikea's lunch room but swedish meatballs I just don't understand what's so great about them.
 
the swedish way was a bit reckless, gambling with an unknown virus
 
I can't stop touching my face.
 
Not saying full lockdown should have happened but we could have done more earlier.
 
They're tellling me don't touch your face. Now that I know it's there, I can't stop.
 
@Mitch I think the Turkish were saying that the recipe is theirs, so it should be called Turkish meatballs.
 
2:47 PM
Isolate households where one person shows symptoms like WHO have suggested the whole time is a thing that can be done sustainably
 
@JohanLarsson Masks, contract tracing, quarantine for those found.
 
Also quarantine of people coming from the alps in the beginning would have been reasonable
 
@Jasper That doesn't make me want them more.
 
I think Swedish sounds a bit like Tamil LOL
 
A meatball is a meatball is a meatball.
 
2:48 PM
The swedish experts are explicitly anti-masks, even for people working in nursing homes
 
Said Shakespeare never
@JohanLarsson I'm just repeating what I've heard optimizes mobility and reduces transmission, together
 
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that guy
@Mitch :thumb_up:
 
Many students end their exams around the world today. But instead of a summer vacation, they get coronavirus lockdowns.
 
I agree with you of course, all those can be done sustainably
 
@Robusto exactly. That's the really interesting bit. It's the exact same tool that can both keep the piece going and serve as punctuation, as Rick correctly points out.
Like, take any piece by Bach or Chopin at all, and it probably ends on a suspension. As does every phrase.
 
2:51 PM
Batch or Chopping? LOL
 
@JohanLarsson Jesus Christ that's disturbing.
 
@MattE.Эллен Frankly I didn't follow any of that stuff when reading the books. The Twin Towers just bored me put of my mind. I just remember fireworks at the beginning, a chase scene on horses, that weird gollum character (what's his deal anyway?), a big spider, the big ring ceremony at a volcano? then people going off in ships like they're dying.
 
@Jasper thank you, Jasper. Funny as always.
 
The Rohirrim? Gondor? Helm's Deep? I don't get it.
 
2:53 PM
None of these exist. There's nothing to get. The gold is with the dragon.
 
@Mitch oh, well I was going off the films :D
 
@RegDwigнt Smart dragon
 
Before you complain about anything at all, you need to complain about Orlundo Bland.
 
@MattE.Эллен Same
@RegDwigнt What I need to complain about is flagging for things that are not Russian profanity.
 
Go ahead. I'm listening.
 
2:55 PM
That's it. THat's the complaint.
 
Can we listen with only one ear?
 
There are not enough chat flags of Russian profanity.
 
Hm. Very anticlimactic.
 
@JohanLarsson Our experts are also mostly against masks, except for doctors and nurses.
Nursing home, I'm not sure.
 
Our experts are all against nursing home.
 
2:56 PM
@Cerberus Really? Why would they be against masks?
Covid-19 is against nursing homes.
 
Sadly, the Dutch PM could not visit his dying mother in the nursing home.
 
There are next to none nursing homes in Russia. That's a lesson.
 
@Cerberus I don't think they've got masks big enough for a whole building
 
@Cerberus For the nursing homes my guess it is just bs because there are not enough masks. Mask training can't be many seconds.
 
It seems that more people died in Moscow from coronavirus than previously reported.
 
2:57 PM
@Mitch False security, I very much prefer you to be home if unwell over out shopping with a mask.
 
@Jasper More people died anywhere from any cause than previously reported. More people still will die from said cause in the future.
 
more reports will be reported than previously reported
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I hope that international travel can resume in not too many months from now.
 
@Mitch I think partly because masks don't work well, partly because people tend to touch their faces more, partly because it gives a false sense of security, making people obey other ruless less, like 1.5 metres etc.
Also because of shortages of those masks that actually protect.
I'm not sure what to think about it.
@Jasper I hope not!
Aeroplanes are terrible for the environment; mass tourism is terrible for the environment; and it makes our cities unliveable.
 
I'm thinking mask is a bit like wearing your armpit over your mouth but I'd not want it to be mandatory.
 
3:00 PM
LOL
 
Many countries that have been very successful so far have widespread usage
 
While LOL is not symmetrical, lol is, depending on the font used of course.
 
@MattE.Эллен what you need to know about Russia is two things. One, vodka. Two, bears. No wait, that's not it. One: autopsy is obligatory for every death. In other jurisdictions, it has to be ordered by a judge. So you will get a complete and thorough examination, and if you carry the virus but die of something else, your death certificate will state just that. It's very different in other places where it will say "Corona" even if you die in a plane crash.
 
@JohanLarsson as with the flu, people can be asymptomatic carriers. It's all about reducing probabilities with limited resources when testing isn't universal.
 
@Jasper also sjweden have paid a high price so far, deaths per capita is high
 
3:04 PM
And two, Russian doctors get an 80k rouble bonus for every Corona patient that they treat. So there is a strong, and monetary, incentive to inflate the numbers rather than keep them down.
So if you hear that the Russian numbers are somehow too low, that's a bunch of bollocks.
 
@RegDwigнt oh dang!
 
@Mitch agreed it is a numbers game, just not sure what is the optimal strategy.
 
the UK's ONS is saying our infections per day is about 9K despite other official sources saying about 2.5K
 
@Cerberus everyday people don't need the masks that people with high contact do (eg health care, shop keepers). give the bulk of masks to those people. For the rest, make your own or get cheap ones and reuse.
 
Wonder if it is true that they tested all people in wuhan in a couple of days when there were new cases or if it was just flexing.
Chances are it is true, in the west we don't even book the meetings in ten days. So not even one sip of coffee is to be expected in such short time.
 
3:08 PM
@MattE.Эллен that's because One-Night Stands are very infectuous but always inofficial.
 
@Cerberus That seems like complaints that people make about vaccines. It may annoy you to do it yourself, but in addition to helping yourself it helps a lot of other people (and not doing it is much worse for other people.
 
It's not even annoying at all.
It's paid leave and you get a lolly from the nice uncle doctor.
 
@RegDwigнt Is inofficial the new unofficial?
 
@RegDwigнt and autism!
 
3:10 PM
You don't get autism if you already have autism. Also, you can just ask for a vaccine against autism while you're there anyway.
 
We're all autistic now.
 
we only vaccinate old people for the flu in sweden, expecting a similar strategy for corona
 
Trump certainly makes use of his autistic license.
 
+1
 
strange that the shit fan has any blades left
 
3:12 PM
When I choose the British English version of Windows 10, they type licence on part of one page and license on another part of the same page.
 
@JohanLarsson Just read the news. it can always get worse.
 
@JohanLarsson Rolls-Royce make very good engines.
 
corona, china vs india, riots, trump at war vs twitter
 
Trump has never been at war and never will.
 
I have dreamt of escaping from having a vaccine a couple of times.
 
3:13 PM
@JohanLarsson What are you referring to here by China vs India?
 
vs corona & social media
 
@Mitch One issue is that people who don't need to will still buy the medical masks.
But shop-keepers, really?
 
@Jasper read something about tensions this morning, no idea how serious hope not
 
@Cerberus primary vectors. also children
haha
 
@Cerberus which is good. At least someone's jump-starting the economy.
 
3:14 PM
ha
 
The only place where you're supposed to wear marks as an ordinary citizen now is in public transportation, starting next week.
 
I am wondering if people can use toilet paper and masking tape to cover instead of surgical mask.
 
Ask them to also buy a car and a house while they're at it.
 
Some barbers weak (non-medical) masks, which also seems like a good idea.
@Mitch Well, our experts don't believe so.
 
@Cerberus Whoever is making masks should prioritize be sending them to people in most need (health care). That doesn't reduce the utility of wearing a mask for everybody.
 
3:15 PM
They believe masks often do more harm than good.
 
@JohanLarsson From what I read a few weeks ago, because they share a border of many kilometres, the border guards often wrestle with one another.
 
I have only seen two people wearing mask live during the pandemic.
 
I see someone on the street wearing a mask occasionally.
But it's rare.
 
@Cerberus I believe experts often do more harm than good. If the Earth were round, no water would ever flow into Holland, it'd all flow out of it.
 
One was in a shop and I was after him in the cashier. When we got out of the store there was pollen and I sneezed like crazy
 
3:16 PM
Haha better take your pills.
 
@Cerberus well on the street it just makes no sense at all. It only makes sense in enclosed spaces.
 
I don't have pills, don't suffer much from it.
When stepping outside it can trigger violent sneeze
 
@RegDwigнt Have you seen his pictures of his street? That is an enclosed space, packed with turistas cagándose.
 
Yes thank you for reminding him, he'll show us all fifty of them again now.
Anyway. Everyone is wearing masks here, but most have the presence of mind to take them off in the streets.
I put mine on during violin lessons and on commute.
And shopping of course.
 
@tchrist Oh, no, all the tourists are gone.
It's heaven.
The city belong to us again.
 
3:21 PM
Wait till half the shops close after realizing that the natives just don't buy anywhere enough postcards and wood shoes.
 
@RegDwigнt Well, people in many countries are still afraid you might catch it from someone on the street walking by at close range and sneezing or something.
@RegDwigнt They closed months ago.
Those shops that serve actual Amsterdammers mostly remained open.
 
Yes, you can also catch it in your sleep if you get bitten by a spider.
People in many countries are afraid all the time. America is built on the very principle.
 
All shops receive government support, but they still need income from customers or it won't be enough, so we're hoping all those disgusting tourist shops go bankrupt.
The Zeitgeist has been turning rapidly against mass tourism here.
 
Yeah! Fuck those Dutch citizens running their businesses.
 
In the city, but also the national government.
 
3:23 PM
They should go plant tulips or something. Oh wait, nobody buys those either anymore.
Well maybe they can re-train as pilots for the Koninglijke.
 
@RegDwigнt Even the people that work in those shops are mostly foreigners. And the owners will be rich people owning many shops, and living somewhere else. They really do nothing for our city.
And lots of buildings have been bought by the likes of Goldman Sachs (no joke: they bought an entire block a few years ago).
Thankfully, city politics have also changed radically, over the past couple of years.
The opening of all new shops or cafés or snackbars catering mostly to tourists has been forbidden.
That works well.
 
So all you're saying you don't know how to run your place, but if I come visit for a day, it's all somehow my fault.
 
And the new mayoress has made it her personal project to tackle mass tourism in the inner city.
@RegDwigнt Yes. Don't visit cities like Venice, Barcelona, or Amsterdam as a tourist.
 
it'll be like the most beautiful planet in the universe in the HHGTTG, where tourists had to weigh the same when the left as they did when they arrived
 
How else would I visit them, then.
 
3:27 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer (87): Was Knick knack an actual game? by user386979 on english.SE
 
Another problem is the AirBNBification: lost of houses are no longer lived in, they just serve as hotels for tourists and drive up housing prices.
 
Moscow has no problem at all with tourists because it has none. That's how you do things. Just make all your street signs in Russian. DUH.
 
@RegDwigнt How else, indeed.
Don't visit those cities.
@RegDwigнt Good idea.
 
@Cerberus well I am happy to report that in the past quarter of a century I have not.
 
Another thing the city used to do is pay for huge marketing campaigns in foreign countries, hoping to attract more tourists.
@RegDwigнt Then you're a responsible citizen of this planet.
 
3:29 PM
Anyway. My point is very simple, really. I myself never buy ugly useless junk, but I especially can't buy ugly useless junk that does not exist from a shop that's not there. If you cater to idiots, idiots will come. If you don't, they won't.
Nobody prevents you from catering to, say, Daniel Barenboim and that's it.
Look at this chat right here. Very, very few tourists. That's because we do not sell garbage.
 
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@RegDwigнt The problem is, if you have ten million tourists each year, willing to spend stupid amounts of money, there is a lot of pressure on the economy. If you own a building, you'll make the most money if you put a tourist shop in it.
If you cater to Barenboim, you'll make less money.
 
You're putting the chicken in front of the egg there.
 
If you rent, you can't afford the rent unless you cater to mass tourism.
 
Can we have some of those chickens and eggs
We're bloody broke
 
3:34 PM
A fool and his money are soon parted. You don't need a sign.
 
The only way to break this pattern is to somehow stop mass tourism.
It has already destroyed Venetian society.
 
Well I've been to a million tourist places, and some were overrun and most were not. So apparently it's not that hard to figure out after all.
 
We're fighting to keep ours alive.
@RegDwigнt The moon isn't overrun either. But that doesn't mean we could become the moon.
 
And, like, it's not the location or the beauty or anything. All of said places are like on the UN Heritage Sites list, and all have excellent infrastructure so you can reach them from any place in Europe in a matter of hours. Yet some had a million tourists and others had just myself.
@Cerberus see, the moon cannot be reached from any place in Europe in a matter of hours.
I am talking more like Maulbronn, or Dilijan, or Moscow.
The largest city in all of Europe, and it has fewer tourists than Vlieland.
 
It is partly arbitrary.
Reputation.
But what's your point?
 
3:38 PM
It might be. But in that case there's no point in complaining.
 
Why not?
It is helping.
 
Because in that case it's out of your control.
 
Politicians have awoken.
 
It's like complaining about the Iraq war.
Tony Blair will still send your soldiers there and get them killed.
 
It is never out of one's control, as long as politicians do what must be done.
 
3:39 PM
I am talking true arbitrariness here.
 
The new law against tourist shops that I mentioned is a good example.
 
If you can do something against it, then it's not arbitrary by definition. It's that you haven't done what you should'Ve.
 
Another is the even newer law that forbids all AirBNB in certain neighbourhoods.
 
Well AirBNB should be just fucking outlawed, period.
 
Yet another is the proposed law banning foreigners from buying any real estate in the city, just as in Switzerland.
@RegDwigнt Oh, in places that don't suffer from mass tourism, I think it's fine.
 
3:40 PM
@Cerberus Yeah well. They'll just buy the citizenship instead.
 
It's the quantity that's the problem.
@RegDwigнt You cannot buy citizenship.
 
@Cerberus in places that don't suffer from mass tourism, you don't need AirBNB. One tiny hotel will do.
 
Another proposed law says that you may only buy a house if you are going to live in it for at least five years, or you pay a huge fine.
 
@Cerberus true, but other people can. Have you heard of football?
 
@RegDwigнt No.
 
3:43 PM
Anyway. Now with the Corona you know what'll happen next. All those laws will be shelved and laws from Opposite Land will be put in place to attract tourists.
 
Nope.
The Zeitgeist has turned.
Even more measures are being taken as we speak.
 
Then what is your complaint.
You are literally bemoaning something that is no longer the case.
 
For example, the mayoress is continuing the plan to build a large "prostitution hotel" outside the inner city while closing lots of prostitution windows in the inner city.
@RegDwigнt More is needed.
And it isn't going fast enough.
But, yeah, at the moment, we're very happy with the demise of mass tourism.
 
@Cerberus that's not solving the problem, that's just moving it somewhere else. Where someone else will complain about it rather than yourself. What if the mayoress built the large prostitution hotel in the street that you happened to live in?
 
@RegDwigнt No, the problem is the concentration of tourism.
In the suburbs, there is no tourism problem.
Nor in, say, Eindhoven.
 
3:48 PM
Mkay. So some tourism is fine if you spread it evenly? Is that your wont?
 
Yes.
 
I see.
 
It doesn't even have to be even.
As long as you can still cycle on the street.
As long as less than, say, 40% of shops and bars cater to tourists.
 
Well. The problem is that people just don't live evenly spread from one another. And they don't build churches every ten miles. They build like twenty all in the same spot, and then it's all just tulip fields for a hundred miles every which way.
 
The tulip fields are tourist traps. They work well. The tourists there bother noöne.
 
3:49 PM
To make tourists move out of our cities, we must move out of our cities first.
 
No, we take other measures, such as the ones mentioned.
 
But as I'm sure you know, that's kind of the opposite of what's been going on in Europe for the last couple centuries.
 
Another measure would be outlawing wheeled luggage in the inner city.
Fine them.
And fine pedestrians who block traffic.
That would really help improve the situation.
 
Who the fuck goes sightseeing with wheeled luggage anyway. Don't fine them, send them home and put them on a no-fly list.
 
Fining them is cheaper and more practical.
They make so much noise.
 
3:52 PM
No, it's another way of making it more lucrative for you to have more stupid tourists.
 
Oh, and also fine people who yell and scream at night, unless they're being raped.
 
You should not be benefitting financially from stupidity.
That attracts the stupid.
 
I'm sure even tourists are smart enough to understand that getting a €200 fine is no fun.
 
Well you watch and tell me.
They'll just bitch about it on Instagram. Turning it into an advantage for them.
 
That should scare off other tourists, would be an ideal scenario.
But I have to go for now, ciao!
 
3:54 PM
Bye!
@Cerberus It is illegal in Moscow to not have your ID on you. You don't carry your passport with you, you pay a fine and spend a night in jail. Does that prevent people from going out without their passport? Does it bollocks. Did it prevent one of my friends from forgetting his on our last night in the city, eight hours before our flight home went? Did it bollocks.
People are people. You cannot be thinking about all the things all the time.
Now, we didn't spend a night in jail of course, but that's because I was there and it was my whole job to deal with shit like that.
But that's the thing. You can just as easily have people lugging entire cargo containers through your streets under supervision of a local who will know how to get rid of the police.
 
4:51 PM
@RegDwigнt As long as you fine tons of people, it will prevent a significant percentage of people from doing that.
You can't fine all Muscovites.
But you can fine all tourists in the inner city of Amsterdam making noise with their luggage.
 
Oh by the way, I see there is a Jasper May in the Latin room @Cerberus. I assure you that is not me, LOL.
 
@Jasper Haha, I know he isn't.
Completely different personality.
 
5:14 PM
Is there a nice phone app for SE chat?
 
5:53 PM
No
The best you get is Porkchat on Desktop
The Android app is discontinued or similar, and the iOS app is much less important the welcome initiative wagon thing
 
6:08 PM
what is this wagon?
 
6:35 PM
@Cerberus wishful thinking.
Why don't you try to silence all the drunks first, see how that works.
It's easy to think that a new law will fix all the problems.
Except you also thought that about all the laws that you already have.
How long has theft been illegal? 20 million years? 25?
 
@RegDwigнt Punishing behaviour that takes place in a very visible, public manner is very much possible.
Like parking tickets.
It's not something that happens in a split second.
Nor does it happen in private or with few people around.
 
7:32 PM
@Mitch I don't care if you touch your face. I just don't want you to touch mine.
@RegDwigнt That's loser talk. You're never going to get to be a god if you think like that.
 

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