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12:31 AM
@Cerberus Room enough for the graphics card, lots of drive bays, PCI slots, etc. Enough room on the blind side for efficient cable routing, etc.
 
Hmm those criteria would seem easy enough to match.
Most larger cases would do.
No need to spend that much.
But it's hard to select by those criteria automatically.
 
@RegDwigнt You need to stick with an instrument. You're like a kid in a mall, all over the place.
@Cerberus Yeah. This phantek looks good, but 26 lbs. (~12 kilos)? Wish there was something lighter.
I suppose, though, that full towers are just going to be heavy.
BTW, regarding aluminum. My old 2008 Mac Pro is machined out of aluminum and it weighs more than my PC, which is steel. Go figure.
 
@Robusto Still expensive, but a whole lot less so!
 
But I'm not going to buy another Mac, ever. Fer chrissakes, it would cost $6,000 for what you'd pay $2,000 in a PC for.
 
Yeah.
Expensive logo.
 
12:41 AM
Exactamente.
 
> External 5.25" Bays: 3
Internal 2.5" Bays: 1
Internal 3.5" Bays: 6
This is your Phantek.
 
Yep.
 
Do you really need three external bays?
 
No.
I really only need one.
 
One is enough?
OK.
 
12:43 AM
Yeah.
 
And how many 3.5"?
And how many 2.5"?
 
I have one backup drive I'll transfer, then I'll probably get another one.
 
Is that two 3.5"?
 
The Internal 2.5 will probably be fine for a spare 1TB SSD I have.
 
OK.
 
12:45 AM
@Cerberus Yeah, with room in case I want to grab an old prehistoric drive to see if there is stuff I need on it.
 
OK.
2 is not many.
Easy to find cases.
 
But I see what you mean, a lot of these cases DO NOT have the optical bay.
 
Are you sure you need that?
 
Plus aluminum seems to add like $100.
 
It does make it easier to choose a case...
 
12:50 AM
@Cerberus I kinda want at least one.
 
Fine.
 
I suppose I could get an external, but ... ya know, if I don't get it in the build, I won't get it later.
 
So how do you select aluminium?
I only see aluminium for side panels?
On PC Part Picker.
 
I just looked up the Phantek on Amazon for the reviews and they offered four comparison cases, one Phantek Ethnoo aluminum for $250.
 
My aluminium case was €45.
 
12:52 AM
Link it, if you can.
 
It's too small for you.
The exterior is 100% aluminium. Some steel inside.
 
Ah.
 
So €1.00 is $1.10 these days.
 
But we can easily find a light case for you, aluminium or no.
A nice round number?
All we need is a full list of your (easily measurable) requirements, and I can produce a list of lightweight cases. Only things like good cable management are impossible to search for.
 
12:55 AM
Yeah, I know.
 
I see you have a huge processor cooler, 16 cm tall.
 
Yeah.
 
Do you really need that? The processor comes with a cooler anyway.
 
But my current PC case has all the cables going every which way..
 
OK.
 
12:56 AM
@Cerberus Maybe? It was a listed option, didn't know I could skip it.
I'm not an overclocker, I don't mind running at normal speed.
 
I have never bought any extra coolers, always use the one that came with the processor.
If you don't overlock, I don't think you need one.
From what I've heard, AMD comes with better stock coolers than Intel.
If I remove the 16-cm-cooler requirement, we go from 3 cases under 7 kg to 26 cases.
But it seems I get only older cases which PC Part Picker doesn't have prices for.
I tried to look up a few of those, but none had a price at PCPP.
 
Hi
something can help me with angular?
 
@Robusto If you removed the DVD requirement, it would be easier to find lightweight cases. Like this one at 6.5 kg: pcpartpicker.com/product/wMpmP6/…
My case is only 1.8 kg.
 
Hmmm
 
@MiguelGallo I think you're in the wrong room!
@Robusto Or you could look up cases from the list above at other sites, to see if they are still sold.
 
1:11 AM
@Cerberus I'll do that.
Thank you.
I think I have a better idea now.
 
This is a list with the same requirements, except that it also includes cases that aren't sold any more here.
 
Ah, okay.
 
External DVD drives start at €25: tweakers.net/optische-drives/vergelijken/…
You could order one with your build. PCPP doesn't seem to list any, but I'm sure Amazon or Newegg do.
 
Sure.
 
 
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4:20 AM
I am using the Chromium-based Microsoft Edge browser now. If browsers keep choosing to be based on Chromium, then eventually we will have essentially one browser only.
 
4:52 AM
Why didn't they use only one astronaut for the Crew Dragon flight? The first flight might be dangerous, so it would be better to lose only a single person in case of a disaster.
 
5:46 AM
@CowperKettle I don't know, but people are never sent alone on important missions, because humans need another human to help him or her.
 
6:12 AM
I hate obscene men.
I hate hypocrites.
It's great to get away from this kind of person.
I really hate their harassment.
 
 
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I only got around to finishing watching the last series of How I Met Your Mother last week and it was terrible. Not Game of Thrones bad, but how could they think that was the way to go?
How I met Your Mother? more like How Your Step Mother Finally Gave Up Hope and Settled.
 
12:58 PM
@MattE.Эллен A new paradigm for terrible endings: Game of Thrones bad. I like it.
Now the question is, in a Game of Thrones vs. Lost smackdown for terrible endings, who would win ... er, lose?
 
BrBa would definitely lose, um, win? that thing
 
1:40 PM
@M.A.R. Breaking Bad was perfect in just about every area.
The only criticism I ever had was that it occasionally seemed a bit too graphic-novelish—cf. the death of Gus Fring—but, really, would most viewers see that as a complaint? I doubt it.
The real problem with series like these is that most show runners have no idea how to bring the show to a satisfying conclusion. Their only skill is in complicating plots and manufacturing red herrings. Eventually those things are no longer sufficient, and the series collapses under its own weight. And because there has been no moral conflict (does such a thing even exist outside of BrBa?) they choose to end the show by fiat.
Actually, Six Feet Under had a good ending.
 
I think shows go on to long because producers mistake habit for interest. It's OK for a show to just stop, people will move on to something else
I think a lot of viewers do that too
 
@MattE.Эллен Perhaps, but the show should have a narrative arc.
 
yes, it's always better to have a satisfying ending
but friends could have just stopped and noone would have really minded
 
@MattE.Эллен Yeah, when they get bored with the show going nowhere, or repeating itself, or obviously just introducing complications that have no narrative drive.
@MattE.Эллен Same with Seinfeld. They didn't have to cobble together a bogus finale.
 
1:53 PM
Even The Wire, which was a stellar achievement, kinda fizzled at the end. Not horribly, but certainly a final season which, while still good, was less than what had gone before.
BTW, speaking of The Wire, that was my introduction to Idris Elba. When I later started watching Luther, I first thought, "Wow, he can do a convincing British accent for an American."
 
LOL
I've had a couple of those moments, but the other way around
 
It is difficult for me to add so many r sounds in American accent.
 
Wait. you're not American?!
 
He only plays one on TV.
 
I suppose if you listen to Americans, they omit many r sounds too in rapid speech.
But until now, I still can't figure out which r sounds can be omitted and which can't.
Sometimes, when I try to add in the r sounds, I end up adding in the places where there are no r letters at all.
 
2:01 PM
@Jasper If they omit the rhotic /r/ then they're either British or from certain neighborhoods in Boston.
 
Anyway, I think I have finally gotten the French and German r right. It's much harder than the Italian and Spanish r though.
 
BTW, @Matt, are there ways to tell when to use /a/ vs. /æ/ in BrE RP? I was listening to an air from H.M.S. Pinafore the other day, when I noticed the difference in the line: "And I seek the seclusion that a cabin grants," where cabin is pronounced cæbin and grants uses the "ah" sound.
 
@Robusto good question. i don't know
 
@Robusto Although this question is not directed at me, my own answer is that I don't consciously think of any rules. When I see cabin and grant, I immediately pronounce them like that.
 
Maybe I'll ask it on the site. I dunno.
 
2:06 PM
If there is a rule, I think it is one which most native speakers are not even aware of consciously.
If you are very interested in RP and GenAm, I recommend getting the Cambridge English Pronouncing Dictionary which gives all pronunciations for these in IPA, together with the pronunciations of inflections and derivatives of words.
 
probably down to etymology somehow. grahnt vs grænt is a bit U/non-U
but not totally
 
Some people would prefer the Longman Pronunciation Dictionary or the Routledge Dictionary of Pronunciation for Current English.
 
I can't quite draw the line, but definitely people from Essex say grahnt and people from Sheffield say grænt
 
@MattE.Эллен So it's literally all over the map.
 
2:10 PM
How do you guys pronounce graph and graphics?
I use the "ah" myself in both words.
 
graphics with æ, but graph with ah
 
I'm American, so I use /æ/ in those.
 
John Wells has a three volume work titled Accents of English.
Unfortunately it seems that they come with cassette tapes which have become obsolete. I wonder if they have replaced them with CDs.
 
That sounds like it would exceed my interest and capacity.
 
Yeah, better to spend the time on studying other languages, LOL.
Anyway, have you made any progress in your Mandarin pronunciation @MattE.Эллен?
 
2:15 PM
IPA is certainly incomplete, in my view. I hear two kinds of /æ/ in certain American dialects. One is significantly flatter than the other.
 
@Jasper Not a jot
 
@Robusto Yes, even these pronunciation dictionaries can only have enough space to cover one main British and one main American pronunciation. But even in IPA, there are different levels of details possible. The transcription you see in normal dictionaries are of a very low level of detail.
Even the r in English is usually written as just r in IPA, but in real IPA, the actual symbol is something else, and that r means something else.
However, they write it as r because when you are learning English, there can be no confusion as to which r sound you are talking about.
So we have r and R and the upside down r and the upside down R for example.
 
@Robusto I don't hear it, but some people say that in the northeast US there is a trend to say 'bank' which is normally /bæŋk/ closer to /biŋk/ (the Northern Cities shift)
@Jasper I think 'r' is radically different in every language.
 
@MattE.Эллен I am not an expert in IPA, but to me the r in English and the r in Mandarin sound essentially the same.
 
@Mitch I lived in New England and never heard that. To me that sounds more like South African pronunciation.
 
2:22 PM
Inland Northern (American) English, also known in American linguistics as the Inland North or Great Lakes dialect, is an American English dialect spoken primarily by White Americans in a geographic band reaching from Central New York westward along the Erie Canal, through much of the U.S. Great Lakes region, to eastern Iowa. The most innovative Inland Northern accents are spoken in Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse. A geographic corridor reaching from Chicago southwest along historic Route 66 into St. Louis, Missouri, has also been infiltrated by features...
 
@Jasper then at least I'd be able to pronounce that :D
 
The /æ/ in some parts of Chicago sometimes ought to be a diphthong: bæyunk.
 
@Robusto Well, that's the thing, I have never or haven't been able to hear it. From that wiki page it sounds like it is more upstate New York and west. So not New England.
@Robusto yeah, I think that's raising or tensing or whatever mod they're describing.
 
I am fascinated by all the different pronunciations of garage and fungi.
 
@MattE.Эллен That's the trap/bath split. And yes it seems essential to the southern posh RP variety but further north people don't bother as much.
 
2:26 PM
@Mitch oh! thanks :D
 
@Jasper Expected. those two don't sound alike at all
The trap–bath split (also TRAP–BATH split) is a vowel split that occurs mainly in mainstream and southeastern accents of English in England (including Received Pronunciation), in New Zealand English and South African English, and also to a lesser extent in Australian English as well as older Northeastern New England English (notably, older Boston accents), by which the Early Modern English phoneme /æ/ was lengthened in certain environments and ultimately merged with the long /ɑː/ of father. In this context, the lengthened vowel in words such as bath, laugh, grass, chance in accents affected by...
and it seems like there are vague rules of thumb (ae -> ah often before a nasal) but not always and it depends on the word, lots of exceptions.
 
@Mitch I find it weird that the article needs to say trap-bath (also TRAP-BATH), LOL.
 
But that whole 'cuiorum' thing makes me not trust -anything- anymore. 'cuiorum' has been copy pasted to all the references online, but it just doesn't seem to exist in Latin at effing all
 
@Mitch Sounds like a job for @Cerberus. Only he can save us now.
 
@Robusto It's his duty
 
2:29 PM
"Call of Duty" is a popular game.
 
I mean, there are other people who know things that could fix it.
 
@Mitch Do any of them have three heads? I rest my case.
 
@Jasper @Cerberus is a soldier... of knowledge.
 
The Cerberus appears in Resident Evil 6: The FInal Chapter.
I am very happy I watched all 6 movies in the series.
If Matt Damon is my favourite actor, then Milla Jovovich is my favourite actress.
 
Your free association isn't free. Perhaps it should be tethered to something more concrete.
 
2:34 PM
LOL
One thing I have never gotten though is a multilingual dictionary or multilingual picture dictionary.
Alexander Arguelles has written an English French German Spanish Dictionary, the only multilingual dictionary I am aware of.
And Merriam-Webster has a visual English French German Italian Spanish dictionary, with pictures of common objects.
DK also has one of that.
 
2:51 PM
@Jasper Picture dictionaries are hard to make. it's mostly just nouns.
@Jasper nice
I remember a Richard Scarry picture book, which I had had as a kid with settings like on a farm in the city, numbers, animals, with the English word beside them. And then later as an adult I saw in a book store the exact same book but with French and Germ words too.
I can't seem to find there the trilingual version.
DK has picture books for different subjects in all sorts of European languages.
 
3:09 PM
@Mitch Turns out it would be a properly formed word, though archaic and rare.
Rare enough that this particular form (genitive plural masculine/neuter) happens to be unattested in the HP corpus.
 
3:20 PM
ah, yes, Harry Potter, the well known Latin corpus
 
Harry Potter is a hairy porter.
I have the WIndows May 2020 update. Not much different. I still think they should work on fixing bugs instead of trying to introduce new features.
One difference that I have already tried out is when you reset your PC, you can now download Windows 10 from the Microsoft servers instead of use the possibly damaged copy already on your hard disk to resintall.
The Chromium-based Microsoft Edge is now the only Chromium-based browser that allows you to clear all history whenever you close the browser without having to use a dedicated incognito mode of some kind.
You need to use --incognito flag with Chrome and --private with Opera.
Safari also doesn't display some sites correctly.
So I think the best browser is still Firefox. QED.
 
3:37 PM
So it is!
 
4:00 PM
Hey all. I've been wondering lately, is there a word that means "having an excessively positive view of a particular person"?
I thought maybe "doe-eyed" meant that, but it doesn't.
 
@TerranSwett Fawning?
Not exactly the same.
But I felt like staying with deer metaphors.
 
if you mean that they don't see the bad then you could say they're "blinkered" when it comes to this person
or that they "wear rose tinted spectacles"
 
Sounds good to me.
 
4:37 PM
"Starry-eyed" is close, too.
 
@TerranSwett "hagiographical"
gushing
blind
 
5:04 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer (85): Origin of "How are you?" by Dr. Fantastic on english.SE
 
5:34 PM
@Mitch I remember Richard Scarry. My kids loved those books.
 
 
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7:49 PM
Scarry is a scary word.
Starring is better than staring.
 
 
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9:10 PM
@RegDwigнt: This is worth listening to the whole thing, but I'm just calling out the part where Joni Mitchell talks about sus chords and how she thinks about them.
 
Ohhhh, Mitch is SALTY
 

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