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12:00 AM
At least you've tried!
(No, of course cliché bits of 'wisdom' aren't always true (or even mostly true...).)
 
 
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1:50 AM
@Mari-LouA: I got too depressed to follow all that. It's been like trying to convince Trump and the Republicans that climate change is real. You know they're just going to ignore everything you say, even if they pretend to listen. — Robusto 50 secs ago
 
 
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3:42 AM
@RegDwigнt: I just realized that a major second sounds like a consonance to me. Am I going crazy?
 
@Robusto In equal temperament, a major second is always ⁶√2̅, the sixth root of two. But in just temperament, it’s ⁹⁄₈. This establishes a subtly different set of overtone harmonics.
 
So ... crazy or not?
 
It’s 200 cents away in the one intonation, 203.91 in the other. I presume by consonance you mean that the various harmonics of both main pitches of your interface are overlapping in a way that seems to reinforce the combination rather than to drive it apart.
I mean, are both major and minor thirds "consonant" intervals for you, or are only perfect intervals such?
 
@tchrist Well, yeah.
Above middle-C on the piano the major 2nds all sound pleasing. Below, I hear the straining (and I do hear the straining even above middle-C) but it just sounds like it doesn't need to be resolved. It can rest there.
 
3:58 AM
You’re normally supposed to be able to hear around 5 cents, so I'm not sure you would perceive those two intervals as "obviously" different.
I can't get any sense of cadency from a second whether major or minor. It needs to go somewhere.
Resolution, maybe not cadency.
If I were you, I'd look at pretty-colored sine waves for this, if I knew how to construct them.
A harmonic series is the sequence of sounds—pure tones, represented by sinusoidal waves—in which the frequency of each sound is an integer multiple of the fundamental, the lowest frequency.Pitched musical instruments are often based on an acoustic resonator such as a string or a column of air, which oscillates at numerous modes simultaneously. At the frequencies of each vibrating mode, waves travel in both directions along the string or air column, reinforcing and canceling each other to form standing waves. Interaction with the surrounding air causes audible sound waves, which travel away from...
An equal temperament is a musical temperament, or a system of tuning, in which the frequency interval between every pair of adjacent notes has the same ratio. In other words, the ratios of the frequencies of any adjacent pair of notes is the same, and, as pitch is perceived roughly as the logarithm of frequency, equal perceived "distance" from every note to its nearest neighbor. In equal temperament tunings, the generating interval is often found by dividing some larger desired interval, often the octave (ratio 2:1), into a number of smaller equal steps (equal frequency ratios between successive...
How those line up is surely going to say how "consonant" something is, but I don't have the graphing knowledge for how to set that up in pretty colors. The math should be reasonably simple though.
 
I think of the "mixture" stops on a church organ. They outline the 3rd-octave harmonic series, which always outlines a dominant seventh with a flattish third.
This makes the chords sound fuller (and more dissonant) but not necessarily requiring resolution.
 
Yeah, a full-sized "real" church organ is an amazing, amazing thing.
We have one in Denver that was built for a cathedral that was intended to be twice the size it ended up being, but the War intervened blocking structural materials for the non-organ parts, so you have a double-sized organ for the size it's filling.
 
That must blast you out of your pew.
 
@Robusto If you sit in "the choir", it really feels like it.
Because then the pipes really are right there at your back.
 
Probably has trumpets ... I can't think of the word, but it's French and sounds like "enchaumade" or something.
 
My internet is really slow tonight. Pages are not loading fast at all. Big windstorm here, that may explain it.
Even chat messages need retry ...
 
I've had that the past two days but it very recently seems to have let up. My windows have been whistling all day and my feet are cold from the piercing drafts through sealed French doors facing north.
> Saint John's Cathedral's pipe organ was given "To the glory of God and in loving memory of Platt Rogers (1850-1928)" a former mayor of Denver, by his daughter, Mrs. Lawrence C. Phipps. It was dedicated at a recital by Palmer Christian on 18 May 1938.

The organ, built specifically for Saint John's by the W. W. Kimball Company of Chicago, Illinois, has been cited by the Organ Historical Society as "an instrument of exceptional historic merit, worthy of preservation", a citation that has been granted only to about 350 instruments out of some 8,000 historic pipe organs that have been catalog
That's just part of it.
> One of the unique features of the organ is the placement of the pipes on the opposite side of the nave from the organ console.
Right, so if you sit in the choir you can watch the organist on the other side of you and yet get blasted up your backside.
 
Anyway, trumpets "enchaumade" (see above) are trumpets placed in front of the facade and pointed directly at the audience. Basically, they're very loud reeds.
Kinda like these:
 
These things have names that I'd have to look up. I mean no, the German and French and Latin words individually I always know but not in the context of pipe organ nomenclature.
Yuk.
 
Yuk for the Saint-Saens?
 
4:16 AM
No, yuk for how bad SE chat is at inferring URL boundaries.
 
Haha.
Yes, I saw the list of pipes. Interesting.
 
All I can tell you is that whenever you can catch a concert there of somebody doing Bach's "Great" fugues for organ, you should. And sit in the choir at least once.
 
I may be coming through Denver next summer. Perhaps I'll look into that.
 
Some of their concerts also employ the antiphonal organ doing what such instruments are meant to do.
They haven't got their summer schedule booked yet for 2019, so you'll have to check back.
 
I will. If there are some really great concerts scheduled I might have to adjust my itinerary.
 
 
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10:16 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer (52): How to correctly use the expression “safe travel(s)”? by Travel Graphics on english.SE
 
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12:46 PM
@Robusto well yes it's consonant I would agree. Just because the notes are close doesn't mean they don't sound nice.
Is why my minor-second waltz used, well, minor seconds. Now these add color. But playing major seconds in their place would have been entirely unremarkable.
Also in counterpoint, I quite regularly have a ninth go to a seventh. Sounds perfectly in tune. But if you think about it, it's just a second going to another second. Two seconds in a row. And it sounds entirely unremarkable.
 
 
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3:33 PM
@KannE not music, but I saw a youtube video about...
dang. just saying that. I haven't even started and I'm already old.
anyway, because I'm old I have to finish the dumb story.
so in this video (is that what kids call them these days?), they were showing the young uns (college age?) some Seinfeld episodes. They showed the Soup Nazi one (they seemed to be shocked that they used the 'Nazi' word), and they showed the one where they said "Not that there's anything wrong with that" and (here's the end and dumb part of the story), they were surprised that that's where that phrase came from.
To be clear, I never watched Seinfeld but those were all things that people just knew back then. Nowadays it's 'How I Met Your Mother' and 'Game of Thrones' and 'Adventure Time' (hmm... yes, those are also already old news a few years before I write this)
Which all leads me to realize that we should be making the memes now that kids soon will repeat and laugh at and then kids later will wonder how dare they say that.
Here goes:
"Banana? I hardly knew her!"
There should be a whole episode around that
Here's another:
"Don't stick your foot where you can't pull it out"
I see lots of potential with that one.
"My mother? Let me tell you about my mother."
Another:
"Pay the man? Pay the man? He owes me!"
These have great potential. I'm sure they were never used more than once on any given "I Love Lucy" episode.
 
4:44 PM
@Mitch Lucy never said anything only once.
 
 
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5:54 PM
hi
can some one tell me what the name of a salon or hall in which rock music is performed is ?
I searched I found music hall but I'm sure it should be another name
answered. thnx.
 
6:16 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Chinese character in title (89): What’s a good English expression for “千金买马骨”? by Lydia on english.SE
 
6:37 PM
"The phone must have fallen off me". Using 'my person' sounds like stilted language a police officer would use in an investigative report. — Mitch 1 hour ago
Rather late to the party, @Mitch. ^
In other words, "unquote" ...
@parvin Try venue, an umbrella term for any place such a performance might take place.
@RegDwigнt Two seconds in a row ... that's a first!
 
7:02 PM
@Mitch Ha-ha, I haven't really watched TV since Seinfeld and Friends went off the air, except true crime stories, I guess. I keep thinking I have time for Frasier now, but I've only managed a few episodes so far. We liked Survivor in the beginning and Ally McBeal... Was there anything else? I do remember watching Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy every day for a while before we just did away with it, over 100 channels of nothing.
 
I don't know what they've done to hats this year, but I'm not getting any.
Last year by now I would have like seven or eight, simply by using the site as usual. And a secret hat or two by plain dumb luck.
I have one hat right now. One. That is all the hats I have.
 
@Robusto You found out my secret, which is to not bother reading.
 
@KannE Frasier had quite a few really well-choreographed episodes. Like, I really liked watching them as a youngster, but then rewatched them as an adult maybe 20 years later and was shocked just how well-written entire seasons were.
 
@RegDwigнt StackExchange Board Room Meeting Notes: "That RegDwight got way too man hats last year and he wasn't even trying. Who does he think he is, Elton John? We have to stop that. This year, everything will be designed to make sure that Reg gets as few hats as possible, while everybody else gets lost. That will restore balance to the Force. Also to our bank accounts with the hat-to-gold transfer feature."
Also: "Fire up the Lear Jet."
 
@Mitch nah that was their meeting four years ago. When I got in the Top 20 users by hats on every single site of the network, and on many of them in the Top 5.
In case you don't remember.
 
7:16 PM
7 mins ago, by Mitch
@Robusto You found out my secret, which is to not bother reading.
 
I think there was even a screenshot on our meta.
But I can't find our meta.
 
Oh. You can't read either
 
I genuinely just went to look for that question, and I can't find how to get to meta.
 
But that's cool, you should give us all a ride in your hat-financed Lear Jet.
 
8
A: Final Winter Bash 2013 standings for EL&U

Kit Z. FoxI would like to make special mention of our own favorite moderator, RegDwight, who not only topped the charts on our site, but also on many of the other sites. Although three other users received more unique hats than Reg, Reg crushed the competition by earning an astounding 604 hats total acro...

Oh look there it is.
 
7:18 PM
@RegDwigнt sigh ... so now you can read?
 
No I just clicked a ton of shit at random.
That I could always do.
 
Well, anyway, with all that you should fly us all in your lear jet to the penthouse of your mile high skyscraper in Singapore.
 
I sold my Lear Jet to Amanda.
 
god damn it
 
Nah she's a fine girl and has more uses for it than I do.
She can fly you to Singapore I'm sure, if you ask politely.
 
7:23 PM
Cool
...
packed!
 
So your blue hat. How does that one work. Do you need to post an all-new answer or what.
Cuz I've been getting reps for answers, but no this hat.
 
I don't know. I've totally forgotten. I spent 5 minutes trying to fit it right, because I finally have an actual head to put it on. That's all I remember.
 
I see.
That is quite a story.
I relate.
 
> Top(bar) Hat
post a question that gets answered or earn reputation with an answer you post
 
You people and your hats. Get a life.
 
7:26 PM
@Mitch that's not what it said for me, see.
 
hatman
 
@Robusto I have a life, which is why I don't have hats. QED.
 
@Robusto we're already on an SE chat, so...
 
I mean, SE rep is an ersatz achievement, to be sure, but hats are a meta-achievement on that. So ...
 
jinx?
 
7:27 PM
I would rather play Half-Life.
@Mitch Not all ripostes are jinxes. QED
 
@Robusto That would be more of an achievement.
 
I would rather have my chatbot play Second life
@Robusto Thanks. I confirmed with a dictionary
 
@Mitch Who else could put up with the boredom?
 
I never understood who could put up with it even when it was "fresh" and "fun".
 
@Mitch You didn't know what jinx means? That's why we go over this stuff.
 
7:29 PM
Which frankly I refuse to believe it ever was.
 
@Robusto I read the ELU question and answer about it so that's all there is to know about things.
 
There's an ELU question about jinxes???
That is so cool.
So tell me then, what is the single word for "jinxes".
 
@RegDwigнt Can't you earn money in 2nd L1f?
 
I've been looking forever.
 
and not that bitcoin sham
 
7:30 PM
@Mitch you can get robbed of your money, is the stories I've been hearing.
 
@RegDwigнt so they have a constant negative money per capita income?
 
As with all things ever, if you get into it looking for money, you are already way too late to the party.
@Mitch why don't you go and play it for a couple years and then report back with the results.
 
@RegDwigнt I forgot. I old you I don't read. Isn't that why Robusto goes over this stuff?
@RegDwigнt I don't have time for that. Better idea, I'll go back in time 4 years, do nothing for 2 years, sign up for a demo, think it's crap and now here we are discussing which is better, Wheel of Fortune or Jeopardy!
Hint: It's obvious.
 
@RegDwigнt Yes, I remember some of those. We used to record it sometimes, and I've seen reruns, but I want to see it from beginning to end one day...but it makes me sleepy for some reason; it's too comforting, I think, ha-ha, really.
 
@Mitch Yes. "Which" is better.
"Abandoned By Confidants, Investigation Draws Closer To Oval Office" ... dangling modifier, HuffPost. Feet of clay. Feet of cuh-lay!
 
7:38 PM
@Mitch anyway. That sucks.
I can't be posting answers.
Any question I can answer is by definition off-topic.
 
@RegDwigнt You wear the hate you done brung with you.
 
What's wrong with getting rep for existing answers, anyway. Why do you need to post something you otherwise wouldn't.
 
@RegDwigнt If you can't post answers, try posting a question. Better still, try riposting a question.
 
@Mitch I can't parse that. Is there a hat for that achievement?
 
@RegDwigнt sure, a secret hat
 
7:39 PM
@Robusto any question I can post, I can google.
And the latter is faster.
Oh my god is it faster.
 
@RegDwigнt We keep forgetting you're a pineapple. Stop speak English good now!
 
and might get the actual answer
 
@Robusto I stopped once, but still got no hat for that achievement.
 
Then we should create one just for you.
 
Is my point.
Create many.
 
7:40 PM
We'll call it "Noah's Snark" ...
 
I need a single word for that.
 
Noahsnark
 
Thank you.
Beautiful.
Fits on a hat.
 
But will it fit on a chapeau?
Will a chapeau fit on a chateau?
Mind your P's and T's, forget about the Q's.
 
@Robusto haha. I hear a thing about the Sherlock writers (the one with Cumberbatch) how they had a whole scene where Sherlock was pedanticizing to death a guy about to be hanged, because he had bad grammar (like being hung), and in the very next scene, Sherlock couldn't even be bothered to use 'whom'.
 
7:42 PM
Oh I have another brilliant spelling for @Cerberus:
Шапокля́к (фр. chapeau claque, от chapeau [шапо] — шляпа и claque [кляк] — шлепок, удар ладонью) — мужской головной убор, разновидность цилиндра, отличающийся тем, что его можно было складывать. Идея складного цилиндра, по некоторым предположениям, возникла по аналогии со складными треуголками конца XVIII века, которые было принято в сложенном виде держать под мышкой. Изобретателем шапокляка считается французский шляпник Антуан Жибюс (фр. Antoine Gibus). Первые образцы складного цилиндра начали продаваться в Париже и Лондоне в середине 1820-х гг. и, как указывает Р. М. Кирсанова, уже к 1829 г....
 
Chapoklyak? Really?
 
Shapoklyak (Russian: старуха Шапокляк, Staruha Shapoklyak - Old Lady Shapoklyak) was a popular villain from a story about Cheburashka written by Russian writer Eduard Uspensky. The first appearance of Shapoklyak (in the movie) was in the animated film Gena the Crocodile (1969) by Roman Kachanov (Soyuzmultfilm studio). She appears as an old woman, wearing an outdated hat and carrying a purse, in which she carries her pet rat Lariska. In the film Cheburashka Goes to School (1983) she admits that she has not received secondary education and is sent to school together with Cheburashka. Her name is...
 
I was using the French ch ...
 
> Shapoklyak was a popular villain from a story about Cheburashka.
Thank you, wiki. That clears up everything.
 
Cheburashka ... wasn't he the original Aquaman?
BTW, word to the wise. Never click on a link that promises to reveal the SHOCKING facts about anything.
 
Somehow I thought it would be way cooler than that.
 
@Robusto he is the coolest. I love him.
 
@MattE.Эллен disappointed
 
I love to disappoint
 
7:46 PM
When I studied Russian in high school I recall a magazine called Крокодил.
@MattE.Эллен At least it wasn't a rickroll.
 
Yeah that one was way above my level when I was a kid.
And when I grew up everything collapsed including that magazine.
 
I thought it must be commie propaganda.
 
Satire.
 
What I said.
 
jinx
 
7:47 PM
jinx on jinx!
Double-layered jinx.
 
No, the magazine was satire.
Worse than the New Yorker.
 
sick burn
 
You wouldn't understand a word, or why it was supposed to be funny.
 
best kind
 
Well, part of that was, that every word was printed in Russian.
 
7:48 PM
so obscure
 
fkn hipsters
 
IKR
 
"I'm only into magazines I can't understand"
 
The ones I can are so stupid
 
@MattE.Эллен "And I don't read them, I write them".
 
7:49 PM
lol
 
Like Jeopardy!, that stuff is for idiots
 
That was that magazine in a nutshell.
I do not believe for a second anyone read it ever.
Other than Robusto, of course.
Then again he also reads the New Yorker.
Poor sod.
 
That reminds me, there's a really great satirical grass growing magazine.
 
Hiiiii
 
I only read it for the comics though
 
7:51 PM
My favorite satire was Michael O'Donoghue's satire of Citizen Kane in The National Lampoon, c. 1973. After that it was all downhill.
 
It's filled with articles mostly for golf pros on the one hand or the tea and cucumber sandwich set.
They have a really good September "Gardener's fashion" issue.
 
Sounds like The Red Green Show, only for vegetation.
 
@Robusto I'd watch a colorized Citizen Kane. Black and White is awful
in addition to being racist
@Robusto I never understood the appeal of that show.
 
@Mitch I think cucumber doesn't go well with sandwich.
 
Same with Doctor Who. It's basically a kid's show about defeating monsters
 
7:55 PM
@Mitch Well, if the ladies don't find you handsome, at least they should find you handy.
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Anyway. I remember overhearing a while back that Crocodile didn't actually vanish, it just gradually but very quickly turned into what every single publication gradually but very quickly turned into at the time. One of those, I don't know the term, pulp periodicals. The ones they have in Men in Black.
 
I mean Scoobt Doo can do that and he's animated
 
Where the stories are like "Woman gets impregnated by alien and gives birth to a refrigerator".
 
@JasperLoy There's a recipe. I'm sure they do something to make it work
 
People would buy those alright.
 
7:55 PM
Ive seen people eat them without grimacing
 
I think it is the time of the year for me to watch The Polar Express @RegDwigнt lol.
 
I too think that.
 
@RegDwigнt Hey Hey Hey settle down. This is a family gathering
Refrigerator talk should be kept to the tool shed where it belongs
 
Bisons and owls make for a rather extended family.
 
Rather
 
7:58 PM
@RegDwigнt I thought it is a bull and a viscacha instead.
 
@RegDwigнt See, you're exaggerating. The real story was "Woman gives birth to alien in a refrigerator! SHOCKING details!"
 
@JasperLoy Well. As I've been telling people on ELU for the last 8 years, "what you thought was wrong".
@Robusto I never said there was no alien in the refrigerator she born.
 
Woman finds alien in refrigerator is the least shocking.
 
That would've been the follow up story.
 

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