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12:33 AM
Where are all the questions about own goal on this lovely night?
 
 
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1:56 AM
@Cerberus snap!
 
 
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3:06 AM
I can't help but feel partially to blame (for voting to migrate), but there are two identical questions on meta right now. Is there a process to merge those? Can a moderator do it? english.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10330/…
 
@RaceYouAnytime You can flag questions as duplicates.
 
I don't know which to flag... if there was a merge process that would be ideal
 
Click "Flag" then "Should be closed" then "duplicate of" and then you can do a search for the duplicate.
 
@RaceYouAnytime Done.
 
@tchrist thank you!
 
3:08 AM
Sure.
Keeps the meta-flags down. :)
 
3:29 AM
Thanks everyone for sorting out the confusion I created here, and my apologies for causing it in the first place.
 
 
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11:44 AM
@Mitch If we rule out the the, then I guess we must rule out the apostrophe as well, because a thing belongs to the 50s, not to 50s. Eh?
So only #1 remains.
 
@Færd Yes, but you can say both A typical example of 50s style and That was the style of the 50s
 
Thanks. True. But the 50s' style doesn't ring right, apparently.
While today's style of classical music does.
 
@Færd Depends on context: Yes, that's the 50s style is fine.
Oh, you mean the possessive?
 
Yup.
 
No, the possessive does seem strange, yes.
 
11:54 AM
I guess it's not always possible to use the possessive 's to indicate a relationship, ownership, or attribution.
The device's name sounds off, while the Moon's gravitational effects on the ocean is fine, I guess.
I wonder if there are general rules for this.
 
I don't think so, because it isn't actually wrong or anything. I think it's just awkward because of the existing s. But there's nothing grammatically wrong about The 50s' style as far as I know. It's only that people would probably rephrase it to The style of the 50s because it sounds more natural.
 
Yeah, but, then again, that sends us back to the definition of wrong. Many grammatical rules are about naturalness. Or any.
 
12:55 PM
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A: Apostrophe-“s” vs “of ”

CerberusIn The New Fowler's Modern English Usage, the late Burchfield offered a guide to the use of possessive s and of with inanimate nouns. It is the most comprehensive and well founded stylistic advice I could find on the subject. He had worked on the Oxford English Dictionary and knew a lot about lan...

This might contain some relevant examples.
 
 
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2:20 PM
Mornin.
 
3:15 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: English dialogue? by Randomthing on english.SE
 
 
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5:17 PM
@Cerberus Hmm. I'm somewhat surprised that nobody supposed that "time of decoding" does not signify possession, but origination instead.
Then again, that doesn't address the counterexamples.
 
Okay.
Of and 's can indicate various types of relations.
 
I only know of a couple for each myself.
 
They mostly overlap...
 
5:34 PM
@Cerberus Hmm, yes, that might be why. There's a special sort of relationship between ownership and origination that makes it difficult to exactly identify.
 
I mean the relations between the head noun and the other noun—not the relation between ownership and origination.
 
5:54 PM
I'm too much of a semanticist and not enough of a syntaxcist .
 
Those fields are often inseparable, as here.
 
@Cerberus This message will self destruct in moments...
@Tonepoet syntax is a subset of semantics. how the form of an utterance informs meaning.
 
@Mitch Isn't that definition more appropriate for etymology or morphology? Syntax is the arrangement of words within a sentence.
 
@Mitch Lovely!
Was that a secret?
@Mitch I'm not sure I would agree with that categorisation.
 
@Tonepoet no, that's that a definition. it's just to give some justification to what @Cerberus said.
@Cerberus haha no. I just noticed that with all the mentions of things here (I happened to do a search), I had never used the words. And I just wanted to keep that record going.
which is what that question explicitly asked.
 
6:04 PM
Hmm.
This line used to contain a super important secret, but now it's been censored.
 
:38003659 You mentioned streaking, a common form of exuberant self-expression, untenable in cooler clinmates.
@Cerberus screen shots continuously enabled
@Cerberus yes. I was merometonymizing
 
@Mitch No. Keine ate that history.
 
or whatever it is for using metonymy for a hyper/hyponym relation
@Tonepoet Have you ever been to a maid cafe?
 
Scary!
 
@Mitch Yes.
 
6:07 PM
Nice.
 
@Mitch But just the chatroom. XP
 
haha
in real life it sounds like creep-out city
Like Hooters.
 
6:20 PM
I suppose, albeit there's a little more to it than carnal attraction. The roleplay element allows you to be a snob, in the sense of behaving in a manner that is greater than your actual means. In that sense it has the same sort of appeal that a game of monopoly was meant to have. Though I suppose when I say "roleplay" that doesn't really help to make it sound any less creepy.
 
appeal of monopoly?
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It is very unfortunate that you are not allowed to star a message that has been removed.
 
I'll do the next best thing for ya.
 
haha. thanks
 
Somebody's going to be quite confused reading this chat-log...
 
but back to monopoly (what everybody in their heads knows but doesn't want to admit, yet studies have definitIvely shown is the worst game ever)...
@Tonepoet more confused
 
6:29 PM
@Mitch I like Monopoly, but I'm frustrated by the fact that nobody seems to know how to actually play it.
 
you mean the actual rules, or a reasonable strategy?
 
The actual rules.
 
oh.
you roll the dice, choose to buy what you land on or pay the price?
 
buy or put it up for auction
 
like candy land but you keep going around.
@MattE.Эллен ooh...nasty double entendre...wait... no, there's pretty much only one dull accounting style meaning to that.
 
6:31 PM
... ok :D
lol
 
The rules that seem to cause the most problems are the $50 bail rule, the auction rule Matt just mentioned, the misconception of a "Free Parking" jackpot, double rents to somebody who owns a complete color group and how to determine how much housing actually costs to buy.
 
TP and I have been talking about monopoly
 
Oh and there is also the housing shortage rule, but that never came up in any of my games.
 
wait...what does all this have to do with Hooters and maid cafes?
@Tonepoet Oh. Those rules.
 
@Mitch Yes, the devil is in the details, so to speak.
 
6:36 PM
The gouging of double rent on a monopoly is exactly what antitrust laws are about.
well not in real estate, but you get my drift
 
@Mitch Yes, nobody bothers to read the rule booklet.
 
I'd guess that most of those complicated rules are poorly understood and executed, if in fact that is the case but I'll gran you the benefit of the doubt as to the extent of the problem, is that most people come into monopoly at a young age and the older kids playing may relax some of the rules, because frankly they end up in Dickensian situations of soul crushing debt and despair.
End games are like whipsaws that have one person eating up all the (usually younger inexperienced player's) property, only in the next round losing it all to some one else.
@Tonepoet Booklet?
It's not all on the back of the top box cover?
 
@Mitch No, there's a separate sheet of paper that you can unfold. Maybe it's more of a pamphlet than a booklet in consideration of that.
 
worries about all games' rules
@Tonepoet Settlers of Cattan has a booklet. and that's pretty simple.
Also, for strategy in monopoly, always buy railroads
or even better, don't play. someone always gets really upset at the end.
Risk also.
But that's still a lot more fun
 
You should really always buy everything, otherwise the bank auctions it off giving somebody the opportunity to buy it for a buck. Also, the orange properties are the ones most landed upon, because of all the ways you can end up in jail, and roll out onto one of them.
Railroads are good though.
 
6:44 PM
strategy, take Australia, land and expand in Asia. avoid South America
 
Also, they changed it since I last played:
 
@Tonepoet 538 did an analysis of something... oh it was just a comparison of games. Somebody else did a simulation analysis of monopoly to see which spots are best to buy
 
@Mitch I had a book a long time ago.
 
@Tonepoet they've changed everything. it used to be based on streets in atlantic city, but now they have vanity labeled games for everywhere. Paris, Barcelona, I think the last one I played was Spongebob Squarepants
ok. that's all fine and good but how are monopoly and maid cafes alike?
Did Poe write on both?
 
They allow you to pretend you're rich.
In a maid cafe, you hire somebody to act as a servant that would normally require a whole year's salary, and in monopoly you use pretend money to act like a real estate tycoon.
 
6:50 PM
@Tonepoet ohhhhhhh...that makes sense.
Why is a raven like a writing desk?
 
I always forget. I need to pay closer attention to Alice in Wonderland...
 
There are answers to be given and and answers already given, but Carrol never gave an answer in AiW or elsewhere.
 
@Mitch I really do need to pay closer attention to Alice in Wonderland.
 
7:09 PM
Like 2001:A Space Odyssey, it is a lot more boring in the actual reading than in the memory.
Pretty much all works of art have the same theme: we're all gonna die.
Except for Face/Off. That was just kick ass!
 
7:36 PM
What's the opposite of "at least" ?
"Maximum" ?
In other word, is this sentence correct?
> Anyway, as you see, maximum it returns 10 posts.
 
7:53 PM
@MartinAJ At most, or at the most.
 
ah ok thx
 
8:36 PM
Why are you censoring things that aren't upsetting at all!
 
9:03 PM
@Cerberus what are you talking about?
 
I was talking to Mitch and Tonepoet.
 
ah ok
 
 
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10:20 PM
@Cerberus is self-censoring a bad thing?
 
10:39 PM
@Cerberus I didn't censor myself in this conversation. If I do censor myself in this chatroom, it's in part because I think the sensitivities are higher here on Stack Exchange than they would be elsewhere. However with that having been said, I usually try not to use needlessly offensive language because I believe it is utterly pointless. If I say something offensive, it's usually because either my ideologies are considered offensive, or I'm making a report regarding some other person or group.
 
11:34 PM
I'm thinking things now. I am not going to say them.
except that one
It's only a little offensive.
depending on taste
 
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Q: What's the origin of "wife-beater" when used as a sleeveless shirt and why is it not frowned upon?

Benny LewisI'm a native English speaker (from Ireland) and to this day I'd hesitate in saying "wife-beater" when referring to a sleeveless shirt. It seems to be much more common in the U.S. Where did this term come from and why? Another answer here gave conjecture that apparently it's from how people are d...

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