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12:00 AM
@MετάEd looks over shoulder OMG...How did you know?
 
eyebrow wave
 
@Cerberus RP didn't become non-rhotic until 18th/19th C, right?
 
I think around that time, yes?
 
I don't know when the upper-crust Southern US accent became non-rhotic (though that is foreign to me, the Southern accent I've heard has always been aggressively rhotic
 
That I do not know.
 
12:28 AM
and for all you pedants out there... )
 
Waaah.
closes eyes
 
12:50 AM
@Mitch Don't dole out what you can't take, fellow teacher!
 
1:22 AM
So here's something I find strange. The Navy is issuing new uniforms, and there's not a ton of reaction except for eye-rolling because I guess there's not much point to 'aquaflage' when you're on a damn boat in the ocean. And one guy made a comment about how they seem to change the uniforms a lot but that's really probably because they just a few months ago switched the women's headgear so they wear covers same as the men now.
But if you read the reg, here's the interesting bullet point sandwiched in the middle of everything:
> Commands may now authorize the wear of a "Don't Tread on Me" and Reverse U.S. Flag patches on NWU Type II and Type III.
Really? Well I find that rather interesting.
And I am rather surprised no one has remarked on it.
 
1:41 AM
What is remarkable is that they would waste money on aquaflage. I mean if anything, you'd just want to use urban camouflage on an aircraft carrier because the top looks like a metropolitan road.
 
 
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2:48 AM
@Tonepoet I am notorious, in my own mind, for haphazardly closing off parens.
@KitZ.Fox I don't get it. What's special about it?
 
@Mitch )
 
3:07 AM
Since every closing parenthesis deserves an opening one, |-|1 7(P\157
 
3:43 AM
@Tonepoet Good point. There's no new content on undeletion.
 
user61230
Pops in.
 
user61230
Is the verb form of fallacy, as in "to make a fallacy," fallace? Says this out loud.
 
user61230
Pops out.
 
4:52 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer, blacklisted user: Is there a word or phrase to describe a person who doesn't want to engage in serious conversation with you? by user189862 on english.stackexchange.com
 
5:59 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected, offensive title detected: Popular usage of 'cunt' as a reference to a mate by FiringSquadWitness on english.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Popular usage of 'c*nt' as a reference to a mate by FiringSquadWitness on english.stackexchange.com
 
 
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9:21 AM
@Mitch something to do with rattle snakes? I don't understand, myself
 
9:45 AM
For the record, I'm perfectly happy with having stuff I wrote from my website (or from here) posted elsewhere, provided no serious liberties are taken and the original is linked. — John Lawler 16 hours ago
storing it in this record, because I'm deleting the comments
 
 
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10:50 AM
@MattE.Эллен Thanks.
 
11:30 AM
So many negatives, so little time.
I look on the bright side: now I get to make recommendations in the review queue again. :)
 
11:43 AM
1
Q: Description word between new and old?

MikeI am trying to create a scale of descriptive words. I have new content being described as "fresh" thinking of describing old content just as "old" unless you have any other suggestions. My issue is what to describe content that is neither new or old. Looking for one word.

I wonder how many words fall between new and old.
 
Seven.
 
> nib nil nip nod non nor not now nub nut oaf oak oar oat obi oic
ola
:)
oil!
 
Was ist das.
 
@tchrist In that game, just one: and.
:P
 
I don't get the rules.
 
11:50 AM
mac(tchrist)% perl -E 'say for new..old' | fmt
new nex ney nez nfa nfb nfc nfd nfe nff nfg nfh nfi nfj nfk nfl nfm
nfn nfo nfp nfq nfr nfs nft nfu nfv nfw nfx nfy nfz nga ngb ngc ngd
nge ngf ngg ngh ngi ngj ngk ngl ngm ngn ngo ngp ngq ngr ngs ngt ngu
ngv ngw ngx ngy ngz nha nhb nhc nhd nhe nhf nhg nhh nhi nhj nhk nhl
nhm nhn nho nhp nhq nhr nhs nht nhu nhv nhw nhx nhy nhz nia nib nic
nid nie nif nig nih nii nij nik nil nim nin nio nip niq nir nis nit
niu niv niw nix niy niz nja njb njc njd nje njf njg njh nji njj njk
I'm not cheating by looking them each up, just guessing.
 
I don't get the rules.
 
@RegDwigнt Between the words new and old (the ones in italics), there's literally just one word.
It's messing with the original question.
 
But and isn't very descriptive.
 
@Lawrence yes, yes, I got your rules alright.
I'm not getting Tom's.
Apr 16 '11 at 22:10, by RegDwight
That's a reference only @Vitaly will fully appreciate. There's a Russian children's verse that goes, "A and B sat on the chimney top. A fell down, B disappeared, who's left?"
 
If you keep adding one to each character on the right, with carry, you describe a sequence "new" .. "old".
 
11:52 AM
Hm.
 
@tchrist Descriptive wasn't a listed requirement. Besides, it's more descriptive than njk, for example :) .
 
The question is which things in that sequence are "real" words.
 
That's a very roundabout way about it.
Me, I thought we'd be playing the usual word-chain thing.
 
@RegDwigнt Actually, from a programming perspective, it's probably the most straightforward way.
 
New-net-set-sex-.... till we arrive at -old.
 
11:53 AM
I want ogo to be a word.
 
@Lawrence I am a programmer and "straightforward" is not a word I've heard before.
 
Oh right, the Lebensraum distance.
Er, Levenshtein.
 
Nov 27 '12 at 19:44, by RegDwighт
Well, one has the Levenshtein distance of one, the other of one. So the choice is clear.
 
Why is there an "h" there?
 
Where? In the Lebensraum?
Cuz Fugen-S.
Fugenlaute werden in der deutschen Sprache bei Wort­zusammensetzungen (Kompositionen) sowie Ableitungen (Derivationen) an den Nahtstellen (Fugen) der ursprünglich eigenständigen Wörter eingefügt bzw. können dort eingefügt werden. Weitere Bezeichnungen für „Fugenlaut“ sind Fugenelement, Fugenzeichen, Fugenmorphem, Kompositionsfuge, Fusem, Inter- oder Infix und Epenthese. Diese Vielzahl an Termini zeigt an, dass Fugen in der Sprachwissenschaft unterschiedlich bewertet werden. == Abgrenzung == Fugenelemente können bei diachronischer Betrachtung mit Flexionsendungen aus dem Plural (Mehrzahl) oder Genitiv…
 
11:55 AM
Nein, sondern in dem Levenshtein.
 
Well you said S at first.
 
I was getting there.
 
Shtop confushing people.
 
SHTAP
 
Anyway, the answer to that is because Levenshtein is obviously a Scottish name duh.
 
11:56 AM
Because if it's not Scottish, it's crap.
 
Yes, no true Scotsman is crap.
 
guys, what would u call that digit button... a button? a wheel?
 
Hm.
 
I think Mr Levenstein simply didn't like people mispronouncing his name as steen.
Like who the fuck is Ayn Steen? Ayn Rand's evil twin?
It's Eyn Shteyn FFS.
 
11:57 AM
@HeidelBerGensis I would be hard-pressed to come up with an instantly intelligible term. Little number rollover dial wheel?
 
@tchrist seriously man.. that's a book, not a word.. :/
 
It's a wheel alright. Why you need to be more specific?
 
@RegDwigнt Gurlfrenzied.
@HeidelBerGensis I do that.
 
i'll go for a digit wheel.. perhaps it will do :)
 
Just write it in German. Nummernwählrollrad.
 
11:59 AM
It should, if it's small and doesn't fight too much.
 
I bet it's just Zahlrad in German.
Or Zahlenrad, rather.
 
Number dial?
 
Well it's a Zahlenschloß, that much is sure.
No idea what the terminus for the wheel is.
 
i liked the german version ;)
 
Could be anything, actually.
 
12:01 PM
so, a digit wheel will work?
 
Zahlenwählen?
@HeidelBerGensis sure
 
thanks guys
 
Don't reinvent the digit wheel.
A decade ago or so BMW, or Mercedes, or some such, won an award for their user manuals upon re-writing them in normal everyday language.
 
Instead of German?
 
One example being, they went and put in "Blinker", which is what everyone actually says, where previously it kept saying "Fahrtrichtungsanzeiger" ("driving-direction-notificator"), which is the technical term not even technicians use.
 
12:06 PM
Is the Dvergatal from the Völuspá something like the Zwergezahl?
 
Bless you.
 
bows
 
Taal is Dutch for language, and dver is Slavic for door. And ga is Japanese for emphasis.
So I should guess Dvergatal is an emphatic door language.
 
> Dvergatal, altnordisch für ‚Zwergenzählung', nennt man innerhalb der Lieder-Edda die sieben Strophen der Völuspá
Man they do quote bad.
 
I did say bless you.
Who the f is Lieder-Edda? Dieter Bohlen?
 
12:09 PM
That would be the Elder Edda, presumably.
Dvergatal, altnordisch für ‚Zwergenzählung‘, nennt man innerhalb der Lieder-Edda die sieben Strophen der Völuspá (10–16), in der etwa siebzig Zwergennamen aneinandergereiht sind. == Stellung in der Völuspá, Überlieferung und Alter == Die Völuspá ist ein Lied der Lieder-Edda, das westnordische Mythen vom Schöpfungsverlauf umfasst, die von der Entstehung bis zum Ende der Schöpfung reichen. Das Dvergatal schließt darin an den Schöpfungsmythos von der Entstehung der Zwerge an und steht vor dem Schöpfungsmythos der Menschen. Innerhalb der Völuspá ist das Dvergatal dabei eine eigenständige Erzähleinheit…
averts eyes
 
Well yes Zwergezahl then.
That's where you get the English teller from.
I still think an emphatic door language would make more sense.
 
And we thought "And you know Dasher and Dancer and Donner and Blitzen" was bad enough.
 
Cheri cheri lady, living in devotion.
 
The Count would like to tell you a tall tale of his tally.
 
12:36 PM
Is there a laptop unicode character?
📓 is the ancestor of them
💻 k thanks
 
1:18 PM
@RegDwigнt Brute force, then.
 
1:46 PM
@Lawrence L’attaque!
 
@tchrist Um, gesundheit?
 
2:23 PM
@Araucaria Great answer and great answers in comments. Really enjoyed reading all of it. Can't agree more.
 
 
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3:28 PM
Can please somebody explain me what "front end" means? is it related to the job? I really cannot figure its concept out ..
 
Front-end web development, also known as client-side development is the practice of producing HTML, CSS and JavaScript for a website or web application so that a user can see and interact with them directly. The challenge associated with front end development is that the tools and techniques used to create the front end of a website change constantly and so the developer needs to constantly be aware of how the field is developing. The objective of designing a site is to ensure that when the users open up the site they see the information in a format that is easy to read and relevant. This is further...
TL;DR; developing stuff users with deal with directly.
 
3:52 PM
@Shafizadeh Web sites have traditionally had two components: the HTML, CSS, JS, images, video, etc, that is served to the browser, and the web-server-side logic that generates it, accepts incoming data, handles authorizations, etc.
The first part that reaches the browser is "front-end", the other part is "back-end"
Computer people love to stratify things into "tiers" and assign roles and responsibilities that way.
 
And not always unreasonably so.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 great explanation .. I got it completely .. thanks
@TIPS thx for the link
 
@Cerberus oh, no, it's usually very reasonable
sometimes they go too far
like the osi seven-layer burrito network model
 
Sounds delicious.
 
physical layer, data link layer, network layer, transport layer, session layer, presentation layer, application layer
 
3:58 PM
@Shafizadeh thx for the thx
 
In practice the number of layers and the implementation of the things in those layers is usually not how the standard says it should be.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yum
 
what's the name for the word that follows something like "the beginning of"?
can you say the next thing is the subject?
 
I'm having a traditional lunch which is basically meat, potato, onion and vegetables.
 
@barlop I don't think that's the right term.
 
4:00 PM
@barlop No, what's your reasoning for this?
 
I don't have any.
Just what's the term for the word that follows?
 
It would be a complement of "of".
 
ok, thanks
 
The "of-phrase" is itself a complement of "the beginning".
The whole thing is a noun phrase.
 
The object of the preposition of.
 
4:01 PM
 
Traditional grammar defines the object in a sentence as the entity that is acted upon by the subject. There is thus a primary distinction between subjects and objects that is understood in terms of the action expressed by the verb, e.g. Tom studies grammar - Tom is the subject and grammar is the object. Traditional theories of sentence structure divide the simple sentence into a subject and a predicate, whereby the object is taken to be part of the predicate. Many modern theories of grammar (e.g. dependency grammars), in contrast, take the object to be a verb argument like the subject, the difference...
 
Oh, O. Right
And the head of the noun phrase is "beginning" @barlop, and it may be the subject of your sentence, depending on how your sentence is phrased.
 
@Cerberus that's so objectifying
@TIPS which vegetables? and is the onion cooked?
 
@Mitch The onion's cooked or sometimes fried, and the vegetables vary from even house to house. Today there weren't any vegetables but there was tomato.
But only to-mah-to, not tomayto.
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Q: Can we remove the following from "off-topic" for english?

jwir3The help page states that the following is "off-topic" for english.stackoverflow.com: Criticism, discussion, and analysis of English literature With Literature now gone, I think that we should allow this type of question in english.stackoverflow.com, in the same way (in the U.S.) English lit...

 
4:32 PM
@TIPS mmm... fried onions
 
Now I'm hungry again @Mitch.
Dammit
 
evening
Good evening
 
Evening
More like night
@Mitch what are the chances that I enter a chat and say "night!" and people misunderstand it to mean I'm going to sleep?
 
Hey TIPS
potato tomato or what you call it
:)
Tips I need a little help quickly
 
I need to help you quickly
 
4:45 PM
I've come across this sentence which is part of official procedures and is written by a native speaker
 
Oh. Thank God it's not proofreading
 
here is one of the duties listed
Perform assessment and coordinate weather forecast officeemergency
closing procedures
I don't understand what it means
again, it is written by a native english speaker in an official document
weather forecast office emergency closing procedures
that is all one and the same phrase, and I don't understand what it means
 
@RejlanGivens Well, do you know what "emergency closing procedures" means?
 
That's my question, and I'll be generous and allow anyone to participate in answering it
no TIPS
 
Have you checked the individual meaning of words in a dictionary?
I need to understand what level your problem is at.
 
4:49 PM
Tips, you can take it for granted that i know the individual meanings of those words
well the level is the phrase "weather forecast office emergency closing procedures"
the whole part before the work "procedures" is supposed to modify it's meaning
it is supposed to say about what kind of procedures are being referred to
how i understand it, there is a sort of procedures that weather forecast office has in place in case of emergencies
that is my understanding of it, but it still doesn't make sense
 
It's the closing procedures that will be used in emergency situations. These procedures are for the "weather forecast office".
 
yes but can you tell me if "closing procedures" entails some established procedures, and what kind of procedures would a weather forecast office have in place for closing what in cases of emergencies
 
@RejlanGivens I can't tell that without further context, but it's got to be the normal stuff you do if the building is on fire.
 
I hope linking is allowed here, here's the link for the document ci.berkeley.ca.us/uploadedFiles/Planning_and_Development/…
If you have a spare second to take a look at it tips please
 
iCANN.pdf
This must be Apple's next product.
 
4:55 PM
hope they make the brochure clearer than that
Can you tell me TIPS, what did you mean by "these procedures are for the weather forecast office", did you mean that this office has adopted those procedures?
 
@RejlanGivens No, they will be acted upon in that office.
@RejlanGivens 670 pages. Which page should I be looking at?
 
aaahhhh
sorry, page 244 bottom of the page
still unclear
but I understand you're saying that the weather forecast office will act upon emergency closing procedures provided to them by the person who is responsible for delivering those procedures to them
 
Yah
Now you have another question. That what those closing procedures are.
 
can I ask just one more about this one Tips
 
There isn't much semantics left to that phrase that you don't understand.
 
M-J
5:02 PM
Hello everybody.
 
hello M-J
 
M-J
Somewhere I was reading someone's story who had been slapped in back of his neck very strongly and he had pain and was afraid of getting paralyzed.
After reading his whole conversation with a doctor, a small question popped into my head. They were both saying it *slap in back of neck or slap to the back of neck*.
Can't we simply say it "A slap on the neck" without "back"?
Like: He slapped his kid on his neck!
(It's a really harsh thing to do, though)
 
there is, because I don't know what sort of action is supposed to be performed by the forecast office
 
@M-J That would at best be ambiguous. If someone tells me they were hit on the neck, I would imagine it wasn't back, but front.
@RejlanGivens Closing the office?
 
I'm not sure TIPS and I'm not sure whether I'm not sure correctly described my state of confusion about this
 
5:05 PM
What we know is that they'll close something in the case of an emergency.
 
the office?
 
Since I'm not with this coordinating emergency stuff, I can only guess.
 
will close something?
 
M-J
@TIPS Uh-huh, so should we say this "He slapped his kid on the back of his neck"?
 
@RejlanGivens No, the person will.
@M-J I guess so.
 
5:06 PM
Thank you very much TIPS, it is much clearer than it was
 
M-J
@TIPS Thanks for your help.
 
if you insist I can bother you with one more question
:)
 
@RejlanGivens I'm not familiar with that profession, so I can't deduce any further from that. No one unfamiliar can. But if people are familiar, they'll inherently know what's up.
 
thank you TIPS, I understand
 
Bullet points usually leave out a lot of context if well-written, and people familiar with the topic are able to follow what they say.
 
5:08 PM
well the other question is strictly about vocabulary, but from the same field
makes sense
 
If it's not technical terminology I might be able to help.
 
in the same document they make a distinction between Designated Official and Designee
something has to be reported to one or the other
these two terms mean the same to me
in both cases it is a person who was delegated to do something
I don't understand the difference
 
Hmm . . .
They do mean the same.
But perhaps they are nothing more than labels.
I'm getting the feeling "designated official" is superior to "deisgnee" in some way.
 
as you said, there may be a subtle difference between these terms, to someone who works in the field
but glad to know they generally mean the same
I was thinking the same
designee sounds like someone sub-delegated if that makes sense
 
@RejlanGivens Or they might just be labels introduced just in that context not to repeat certain phrases again and again.
 
5:11 PM
designated by a designated person
 
What you can do if find those phrases.
Look for definitions.
 
I've looked everywhere tips
 
Something like "a designee is a guy who . . . "
 
but couldn't find any useful information
TIPS if you ever need help with your serbo-croatian
 
That means it's as I suspected.
 
5:12 PM
please make sure you ask me for help
will be glad to help
:)
 
Sure
(ノ^◡^)ノ︵ ┻━┻
 
no that is not the one
I don't recognize the sequence of symbols
but the last one does look like an upside down table
or a bench
 
@RejlanGivens Yes, it's an internet meme: Table flip
 
it has some symbolics
?
 
Nah, nowadays the face expression is all that matters.
People on internet need to come up with more creative ways to express smileys.
 
5:15 PM
:)
 
It was originally just (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻.
Which meant something along the lines of "screw it".
 
I'm bad at guessing smileys Tips
nooo
you know tips, when I don't understand something I tend to be okay with that
but when I don't understand the answer
It is really frustrating
:)
 
Then you're normal
 
I don't know
or I'm within my normal range of stupidity
that is fine
kind of you to help me TIPS
that is one less frustration for me
see you soon I hope
byeee for now
 
Cya
 
M-J
5:26 PM
Hi everybody, Which of these do you prefer to say while someone asks about the purpose of your visit of somewhere:
1_ I'm just dropping by my parents.
2_ I'm just making a short visit of my parents.
 
I prefer 1.
with 2 it should be "visit **to** my parents"
 
M-J
@MattE.Эллен Hi Matt. thanks for the response. Isn't "visit to" special to making a visit to doctors?
by any chance of course.
 
people don't usually say "making a visit", but when they do, it has to have a prepositional to added, if they specify where they're going at the end.
 
M-J
OK. Do you mean "I'm just visiting my parents" is the better case?
 
yes. definitely
 
M-J
5:31 PM
Thanks a lot.
 
no probs :)
 
M-J
:)
 
with regards to making ... of, it implies something that doesn't make sense. For example, you can say "I'm making a salad of tomatoes and cucumbers", which means the tomatoes and cucumbers become the salad. So, saying you're "making a visit of your parents" means you taking your parents and turning them into a visit. That's not how visiting works :D.
 
5:47 PM
Out of votes.
 
6:09 PM
@MετάEd vote-capped?
 
@TIPS A-yup.
 
Are you working for a badge, or have idiotic queries taken a toll?
 
6:24 PM
@TIPS I'd understand it to mean that you were walking down the street, someone drives by with the window open, throws out some thing that lands at your feet (splat!), and that thing is a 'night'. Then you'd shout out in disgust...
'Night!'
But maybe that's just me.
 
@Mitch Ten in a row.
Actually one, but who cares about a zero?
 
Also, 'Good night!' actually means 'See y'all tomorrow, I'm going to sleep' so the probability is pretty high.
Also, it really weirds other people out if you come back a minute later because you forgot something before you go ahead and everybody is all confused, they don't know whether to ignore you or go through the whole 'g'night' routine all over again
@MattE.Эллен That's not how it works in your country?
You can make a hash of a visit.
 
@Mitch In my country parents make a visit of you
 
anxiety triggered
starts cleaning up
stops
Hmm...new pharmaceutical idea... an anti-anxiety medication that induces a feeling of resignation
Didn't our grandparents ever visit our parents, so that our parents know what it's like? Or maybe they know exactly what it's like, and are intentionally charging it forward.
angrily punches telephone keys calling mom
dad answers
 
6:42 PM
Consecutive italic chat messages are representative of chat's humor content.
 
'Hey Dad.' ... 'No nothing, just calling to see how things are going.' ... 'Yep, nothing here either' ... 'Yeah, we totally should'...'OK bye'.
Call with Mom. exactly the same conversation but each ellipses replaced by 100 ellipses.
 
6:54 PM
@Mitch I wanna see a demonstration
 
recording conversation
 
7:10 PM
@TIPS Just voting on questions either that come up in queue or are new today.
 
@MετάEd OK. Where I come from you don't vote-cap unless the site is flooded or I'm hunting a badge, so . . .
 
7:44 PM
still recording
 
@Mitch Oh, out loud?
 
51 mins ago, by TIPS
@Mitch I wanna see a demonstration
 
@TIPS Oh. If you think you're trying to make sense at least try by giving the links ahead of time.
 
@Mitch Make sense? MAKE SENSE?
I thought this chat was all about the opposite?
 
7:55 PM
@TIPS I'm sorry, I'm finding your commentary incomprehensible.
 
@MετάEd Yay
I can finally celebrate my first success at being comprehensibly incomprehensible.
Looks for another subject
BTW, does Docs.SO interest any of y'all?
I've never seen such rapid development from the SE team's side. If only they were half as fast about meta.SE FR's . . .
 
8:12 PM
17 mins ago, by Mitch
@TIPS Oh. If you think you're trying to make sense at least try by giving the links ahead of time.
 
8:32 PM
@TIPS What is it?
 
Stack Overflow documentation project
 
For real?
Documentation is the least rewarding activity of software development
 
9:04 PM
well, now you're rewarded with Fake Internet Points™ for doing it!
 
Fake Internet Points?
furiously writes documentation
The best part about documentation is that it doesn't need to compile or be tested
 
I'm pretty sure it gets tested. tested in production
 
Both the JIRA and Trello documentation state clearly that all documentation modification requests are authored, curated, and submitted to a process writing to a repository called '/dev/null/'
 
@MattE.Эллен All right then ... where is it?
@Mitch /dev/null isn't a directory.
 
9:19 PM
@MετάEd yeah uh huh it is
or maybe a file
 
It's a special file.
 
it's definitely a thing
directories are special files.
the first database
You just don't recognize it with all that makeup
 
@Laure Hi Laure, thanks for the kind comment. Are you an applied linguist by any chance, Laure? (I think I got that impression from one of your answers somewhere)
 
 
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10:59 PM
@TIPS That's an interesting meta Q&A. Was there something more you'd like to say on the topic?
 
11:14 PM
I don't know about him, but I'd complain about the definition of literature we use. I'd prefer if it was textual criticism instead. =P
 

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