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> In 1901, Alabama passed a constitution that stripped voting rights from any person who committed a “crime involving moral turpitude.” The purpose of this disenfranchisement, the president of the convention explained, was to “establish white supremacy in this state”; Alabama labelled those offenses more frequently committed by blacks as crimes “involving moral turpitude” in order to purge minorities from the voter rolls.
See anything interesting there?
Just in the part I quoted, not the entire essay.
It proves that Slate writers are not fawning sycophants to Microsoft's badgering bugs.
 
 
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3:48 AM
@tchrist I feel uncomfortable with the parenthetical because it lacks the word "as" and does not capitalize the title.
 
 
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5:04 AM
If you are bored, you may listen to my new video. I made a new channel after deleting my old ones. I will try not to delete it again. =) youtube.com/watch?v=-aIm6kRPDz4
 
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@Tonepoet I found a new copy of the Paravia for around 100 USD only. But when I clicked to buy, it seems the seller does not ship to where I live, so I sent them an email to ask about it.
 
@WillHunting It might be due to shipping cost, or likelihood of damage. It'll probably cost too much more to get to you unfortunately.
 
user227867
@Tonepoet To be honest, shipping is not that expensive. I have shipped things back to Amazon before so I know. =)
 
user227867
Anyway let's see what the seller says. It is the weekend so they are away.
 
user227867
@Tonepoet I should make a video of me flying in the air using these techniques!
 
user227867
5:12 AM
It's a cool Saturday afternoon here in Antarctica. It rained so heavily last night that the air is still cold.
 
user227867
Hurricane Matthew has killed over 800 in Haiti.
 
That's bad weather.
 
user227867
I am going to sleep. Good night.
 
user227867
I think The Cambridge Grammar of the English Language is very good. I might get a copy soon.
 
user227867
6:13 AM
Changed back to my favourite 'blue', lol.
 
6:55 AM
When I'm done editing these two answers I'm going to try and see if I can edit my profile pic. too. I think I've found a good compromise between my interests.
I've been reworking my Synthesizer answer on and off over the course of several days now.
 
 
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1:54 PM
Real headline:
> Friends of BU student killed in hit-and-run grieve
 
 
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user227867
3:06 PM
@MetaEd And your point is?
 
3:25 PM
I think it's "What's a hit-and-run grieve, and how do people get killed in it?"
What that headline might have said is "Friends mourn BU student killed in hit-and-run," which is actually shorter and clearer, or even use the word grieve omitting its normal preposition for.
 
user227867
3:41 PM
AHA!
 
5:42 PM
You know, it's sure nice to come back to a country where people can again safely use the word oriental without fear of getting spat upon or beaten up over.
 
@tchrist Hmm, why can't you? You would be accused of racism and stuff like that?
I wonder what the atmosphere there looks like.
 
@Rubisco Something like that. It's like how you aren't allowed to to talk about black people anymore if not worse.
@Rubisco Caerulean.
Euphemism treadmill.
 
Here, someone just showed everyone that the governors are corrupt and they've been stepping on everything they preach.
It's kinda sad, but I prefer it to politically correct atmospheres.
 
Home is where nobody makes fun of you for how you talk.
 
You can say that again.
 
5:54 PM
Political correctness movements surface first in the discourse of the coastal élites, taking years and sometimes decades to penetrate the less densely populated heartland thousands of miles away.
 
And they all sound so righteous.
The only thing they really do is make a couple of more frowny faces.
And a couple of sad ones.
 
10
Q: Proper term for people from eastern Asia

JayI once posted an article on the web in which I referred collectively to people from China, Japan, and the Koreas as "Oriental". I got an email from someone who informed me that this is an offensive term and that I should call such people by the specific country of origin -- "Chinese" or whatever ...

> What’s the proper term for people from western Asia?
"European" :)
 
6:11 PM
Well, sucks to be you
 
What, West Asian? :)
> A euphemism may often devolve into a taboo word itself, through the linguistic process known as pejoration or semantic change described by W.V.O. Quine,[13] and more recently dubbed the "euphemism treadmill" by Harvard professor Steven Pinker.[14]
For instance, Toilet is an 18th-century euphemism, replacing the older euphemism House-of-Office, which in turn replaced the even older euphemisms privy-house or bog-house.[15] In the 20th century, where the words lavatory or toilet were deemed inappropriate (e.g. in the United States), they were sometimes replaced with bathroom or water closet,
House-of-Office!!
 
@tchrist People do business there, you gotta admit
 
user227867
Well, people are easily offended by words. I said this 9000 years ago.
 
6:27 PM
This is the second American presidential election cycle in a row that there's been a person of color at the top of the ticket for one of the two major parties, what with orange being the new black and all.
YANETUT
 
user227867
Why this and why that? Well, this world is sick, and it will be full of shit until I take over. There is just no more why cos many people are stupid and evil.
 
@Rubisco Do you ever read the Economist magazine?
@WillHunting Have you been drinking again?
 
@WillHunting That you Manny?
 
user227867
@tchrist Nope, I am very sober even though I sound drunk. I have been thinking about the world the last 9000 years.
 
@tchrist Nope, magazine is prohibited for someone who's studying for Konkur
 
6:29 PM
@Rubisco Whom are you studying conquering now?
 
user227867
But when I say such things, I know people won't understand me, so it's OK for them to say whatever they want.
 
user227867
@Kit Just now I had a dream about you giving Korean lessons, and I was wondering why you did not tell me you were a Korean teacher.
 
@Rubisco Why so?
 
@tchrist Conquering ridiculous exam questions from people that have dived into the realm of stupidity and ignorance and think they're all about real science
 
user227867
@Kit I figure this dream is probably a random combination of my watching Korean dramas and Matt starting his Greek lessons this month. =)
 
6:33 PM
@tchrist Well, we just had a discussion on LO. Lemme bookmark something for you to read
 
user227867
@Rubisco Maybe instead of changing your chemical name, you can just use your favourite ones, but maybe you have 9000 of those.
 
My problem is not chemistry.
High school chemistry in Iran is so stupidly stupid and low level that a kindergarten kid can pass the exam if they try hard enough

Konkur and the pain

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CC @TCh
 
This sounds so much like the brutal 19th-century German state examinations that broke so many a promising youth that I shudder to contemplate your plight or future under so evil a system, and what it is designed for.
 
And I remember a conversation with you about it too.
 
As I have indeed previously observed.
 
user227867
6:42 PM
The Cambridge Math Tripos has one of the toughest exams.
 
user227867
Several several-hour papers in each of several years now, and much tougher in the past.
 
user227867
@tchrist Oh I realised that Matthew Passion thing you linked me to actually has a full two hour version on youtube. =) Soooo long
 
"that Matthew Passion thing" is a startling appellation.
 
user227867
Sorry, I am not well versed with the literature. =)
 
user227867
I think the soooo is more startling actually.
 
user227867
Everyone knows it already. You are late to the party.
 
So that's why she came to meta.ELL. I thought she was passionate about us that she paid a visit, heh
 
@WillHunting Did you just say you were versably illiterate?
 
@WillHunting Nowadays I'm late to many parties
 
versically?
 
user227867
6:47 PM
I have not been to many parties.
 
versutely?
 
Thanks to ridiculous excuses of exams, preparations for Konkur, people are being more and more introvert, as much as that word could mean something online
@tchrist Vertically
 
user227867
@Rubisco Sorry but what is Konkur?
 
@WillHunting The university entrance exam where I come from.
 
user227867
@Rubisco Why call it Konkur? To conquer it?
 
user227867
6:51 PM
I hate the browser Konqueror by the way. It is certainly not an Emperor.
 
> Spoken Québec French, surrounded by English on all sides, allows sentences like Ça c’est la fille que je parlais avec, with colloquial English word order, the preposition at the end: that’s the girl I was talking with.
 
@WillHunting Since it's the Persian for "competition".
 
@Cerberus ^^^^^^ ew!
 
Not really used anymore though
'thiugh' is one of the ugliest typos ever.
STOP TOYING WITH ME, BRAIN
 
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@Rubisco Are you interested in the International Chem Olympiad? Are you taking part?
 
6:53 PM
Patching in Germanic word order to Romance is really ouching me.
 
@WillHunting Sadly, no. If I don't do well in an international Olympiad, nothing happens. But I would have no future if I don't do well in Konkur.
 
user227867
@tchrist I always wondered whether Germanic referred to German language or Germanic languages.
 
Why would it be one or the other only?
 
user227867
@Rubisco When I was in high school, I had classmates taking part in the International Math Olympiad and International Physics Olympiad.
 
@tchrist 'cause if I don't focus on only Konkur, I'm losing the bet.
 
user227867
6:55 PM
@tchrist I guess it could refer to both.
 
I'm not the only smart ambitious kid around here ya know
@WillHunting Good for you. I wish I had to take on ANY educational system but Iran's.
Even India's is superior to ours. Facepalm
 
user227867
I cannot comment because I don't know much about these countries.
 
user227867
Anyway, successful academics are not necessarily the brightest ones in high school you know
 
Here, you don't have any other choices.
 
user227867
Often the very bright ones in high school shine for a while and then the light disappears...
 
6:57 PM
You either take the exam, or you say bye bye to good education in universities
 
user227867
It's the smaller but more lasting lights that win in the end.
 
That's inspirational.
 
user227867
In history, there are only a few geniuses who shine from start to end.
 
Except that I consider myself to be a fading light
 
user227867
Please star it then. I like to be starred.
 
6:58 PM
If only inspirational stuff encouraged me anymore.
I've heard too much for them to have any effect.
It's simple. You either do well in Konkur and enter a good university, or you don't.
And the ones that don't enter good universities have NO academic future, so I can't wait for my light to shine.
 
user227867
Life can take you by surprises and change in mysterious ways. There can be miracles when you believe.
 
Well, haha, I've found a way to get back to the top.
And by the top, I mean the top 200 students of the country.
I'm not that much of an underdog. I just whine too much.
I excel in physics, math, chem, LitCrit and even theology.
 
user227867
I excel in talking gibberish
 
My Achilles heel is biology.
And not the real biology, but the oversimplifications and the gibberish they sell us.
 
user227867
Literary Criticism as a subject, very cool. No such thing here.
 
user227867
7:02 PM
Well, maybe that's just Literature, lol
 
We have had nice poets.
 
user227867
Or in some cases, just English
 
Persian poems usually make me feel good, but no other change in feeling
 
@Rubisco Or at least anatomy.
 
user227867
I have no Achilles heel because ... I am not Achilles.
 
7:03 PM
@tchrist No, not even anatomy. I don't have a problem with the material. I have a problem with how it's examined and how it's taught.
You can take a look at the bookmark to see what I mean.
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Konkur and the pain

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They use conversational implicatures and every aspect of semantics and pragmatics they can to ask us every detail.
 
user227867
I have a computer question...
 
I'm not a geek.
But I can ask geeks.
What is it?
 
user227867
Just now I heard cracking sounds in my desktop. Is that bad?
 
user227867
It's not the sound of the fans, I am sure.
 
Yes. Take cover. It will explode in 5, 4, 3 . . .
 
user227867
7:06 PM
It cracked once, and then a few minutes later, it cracked again. Crack crack crack...
 
user227867
The question is ...
 
user227867
Is my desktop going to break down soon?
 
No idea. We should know exactly what part is making the sounds.
Maybe you should consult a professional
 
user227867
I am using my laptop now, phew.
 
user227867
My desktop is almost a decade old.
 
user227867
7:07 PM
Maybe that explains it, just wear and tear. All things are impermanent.
 
user227867
I have another question...
 
Well, we have a desktop computer at home that's two decades old
 
user227867
How long is a computer expected to last, generally?
 
But it stopped working 5 years ago
 
user227867
I think ten years is a good time?
 
7:09 PM
@WillHunting That can vary a lot depending on where it has functioned, how you've treated it, how many walnuts you've cracked with it etc.
@WillHunting And how many hardware upgrades?
 
user227867
Anyway I will remember not to do serious work on the desktop so that no data is lost. Just use it for watching movies...
 
user227867
@Rubisco No upgrades at all. I take good care of it. But I think a decade is long enough for me to consider retiring it
 
That's like not spending money because it'd get less
@WillHunting Oh, then that's a really good time
 
user227867
I would rather buy a new computer than replace spare parts and risk further damage
 
user227867
I don't think it is economical to repair broken stuff in this case.
 
7:11 PM
Considering how much you've used it, that's a good idea
 
user227867
I was surprised that some clothes and shoes shops here sell stuff for like a thousand dollars, mostly Italian brands
 
user227867
I wonder who buys them and how the shop can survive
 
user227867
But it has survived for years
 
Well, some people live very luxuriously.
 
user227867
I spend money mostly on books
 
7:13 PM
It's becoming a kind of big wig culture here.
@WillHunting NERD
 
user227867
Yes, I know there are very rich folks in the Middle East. Lots of oil
 
Who are we kidding? We all spend most our money on books. That's why we're here
 
@tchrist faints
 
@WillHunting That's Saudi Arabia, Qatar and a bunch of other countries. Iran . . . Well, it's bending over 30-something years of sanctions and corrupt officials
 
user227867
Here, there is not much oil or water, just air.
 
7:15 PM
@Rubisco From Latin concurrentia "running together", also used in Dutch as concurrentie "competition".
 
user227867
I breathe the air, and I live.
 
What is the modern word?
 
user227867
@Rubisco I think you are very smart and have a bright future in this world, good luck.
 
I'm afraid the significance of that GIF eludes me.
 
7:18 PM
Well, both.
@WillHunting Thank you. I hope I survive this educational system
 
7:42 PM
@Cerberus Still remember back when you questioned how bad Trump could really be?
@Cerberus Me too.
 
7:55 PM
@tchrist I'm sure he's not much worse than the other alternative.
How has the most powerful nation on earth ended up with a choice between those two people?
 
@tchrist Not specifically, but what about it?
@AndrewLeach I have to disagree about that.
Hillary is much the same as most of her predecessors.
 
^.
 
Trump is far worse.
 
Is he? Is or he just more honest about it up front?
 
He is.
 
8:03 PM
TBH, as an Iranian, I'm not certain of my future if Trump gets elected.
 
Although the fact that he insults almost everyone on earth is a Bad Thing unto itself.
@Rubisco Why not?
At least what he can do is limited by parliament.
 
Yah, but a president can make a difference.
 
They can block most things, can't they?
A difference, to be sure.
But disaster?
 
I was thinking of a war.
 
At any rate, Trump said he doesn't want to interfere in the Near East, hasn't he?
 
8:04 PM
We've been sanctioned and blocked and tossed into the corner since the revolution.
I don't worry about sanctions as much as I concern myself about the corrupted leaders.
Stepping on every word they've preached.
 
Whose leaders?
 
Ours.
 
What do they have to do with Trump?
 
I was worried about Trump's election because of a possible war.
 
I believe Trump has said that he doesn't want to interfere in the Near East?
 
8:08 PM
@Cerberus Do you believe him to be a man/cheeto of his word?
 
No, but it wasn't a promise.
 
Just a general attitude/outlook: he's fairly isolationist.
So I don't think it's likely that he would attack Persia. If only because parliament would not let him.
 
Or unless the congress just doesn't want a war. That might happen.
 
@Tonepoet She's just mainstream.
 
8:10 PM
Shrug What can I do about it anyway?
 
And the American public doesn't want another war in the Near East, they're fed up.
Which is why Trump preaches isolationism.
 
@Tonepoet Well, Democrats are really just . . . half-baked threats.
 
@Cerberus Yeah but the U.S. Govt. probably won't stop meddling in Middle Eastern affairs until the oil's all dried up.
 
@Tonepoet But probably less so than in previous decades.
 
@Cerberus Sigh If only
 
8:17 PM
Just read the papers.
The mood is now "we hate the outside world, screw them, we don't want anything to do with them".
 
I know what you're saying. It's all over the news here too. From time to time, they keep proving that the US has lost interest.
But that's not what's happening. Look at ISIS.
 
No American armies have been sent Syriawards.
Nor yet Iraqwards.
Nor will such armies be sent in the intermediate future.
 
Why do they need an army anymore, when a bunch of . . . less than humans do their job for them?
 
Thou speakest in riddles.
 
The IS, I mean.
No one can prove that the US created or helped create the most terrible terrorist organization ever.
But currently the only side that benefits from chaos here is the American side.
For one thing, they keep the headlights off Israel.
 
8:21 PM
Nah.
 
Keep governments distracted.
 
Primo, it is fairly clear how IS came to be.
Secundo, I don't see how America profits from the existence of the IS.
 
Yes. But it doesn't need to be Americans who fight a war for Americans.
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For one thing, they keep the headlights off Israel.
 
How so?
 
Half (?) the governments of the middle East hate Israel. IS keeps them distracted, since they worry more about their own citizen's safety.
 
8:23 PM
Everybody hates the Israeli government, and that hasn't changed—on the contrary.
Just as most people in the Near East hate America and Europe (though slightly less).
They also hate the IS, and Russia.
 
@Cerberus Yes, and instead of poking, they're busy with a bunch of masked terrorists.
 
Poking?
 
Yah. I dunno, all the stuff against Israel . . . either military or political.
 
Other countries in the Near East have been doing and are still doing what they can against Israel.
I.e. nothing.
Except angry speeches.
 
I don't think I can say the same about Iran.
 
8:26 PM
What do you mean?
Iran knows an attack on Israel would be disastrous for Iran.
And it would ultimately fail.
 
We've helped the Palestinians in secret ways.
I mean it's not confirmed.
 
Of course, and Assad.
Hezbollah.
 
Yah.
How much have we been able to help them after IS?
 
A lot?
 
Not as much.
 
8:28 PM
Hezbollah is now executing military campaigns all around Syria.
 
At least they're not joining forces with IS.
 
And Iran has sent/supported Shia warriors to conquer cities from IS in Iraq.
 
Yes.
 
They'd never collaborate with IS!
 
Mhm
 
8:29 PM
Maybe Saudi Arabia would.
 
What a fight, heh. We don't have two sides anymore. We have dozens of sides.
 
Always!
 
@Cerberus Well, these days I'm hearing that they are.
It makes sense. Wahhabis kill Shia. Saudi Arabia hates Shia A LOT.
 
SA is working with IS?
Various parties in SA have always supported the IS.
But the government?
 
@Cerberus How do they get such weapons? With whose money?
 
8:30 PM
Money from Arabia.
Not just Saudi.
But from governments?
 
@Cerberus It's not gonna be official as long as IS is hated in the west.
 
What?
 
@Cerberus Well, why would their government be any different?
 
I don't believe we know of any direct support for the IS from the Saudi government in Riyadh?
 
@Cerberus We don't. Not yet.
 
8:32 PM
Their government is slightly less fundamentalist than their more extreme organisations.
And their government really wants to remain good friends with America.
 
@Cerberus I don't believe that. And I'm saying it as someone they've vowed to kill
 
And also Europe.
Why don't you believe it?
 
@Cerberus Well, they will remain good friends since they buy weapons, not since they support or don't support IS.
 
@Rubisco No government can ever be as extreme as the country's most extreme organisations.
 
In this case, the government is the most extreme organization.
Saudi Arabian big wigs are Wahhabi clergy men. What else are we to expect?
They want to kill Shia. Period.
 
8:34 PM
@Rubisco They can't fully support the IS unless they want to risk a huge breach with America. Secondly, they don't want the IS to "win", because it is more extreme than they are, and it wants to be its own government: it competes with all current/real governments.
@Rubisco The Saudi clergy is not a monolith: there are more and less extreme currents. Besides, the clergy is only one power behind the government: there is more to it.
 
Hmph well. I hear the terrible things their leaders say.
 
Of course the Saudi government is terrible.
 
It could be just 'politics', but I dunno.
 
But there is terrible and terribler.
The IS is worse than Al Qaeda.
 
And terriblerer.
@Cerberus It's the worst. Since that's how it should be.
 
8:37 PM
For example, Al Qaeda usually doesn't really want to massacre fellow Muslims.
@Rubisco Yes, for now.
 
Mildness doesn't entertain, or fear monger, for that matter
The next terrorist group will be even worse.
 
So what I was saying is that extremist forces, like some rich businessmen and clergy, have sent and are probably sending lots of money to the IS; but I don't think we know of any direct links between the Saudi government and the IS.
@Rubisco Quite possibly, although it's hard to imagine!
 
@Cerberus Of course we don't. We might thirty years later, but not now.
 
It is possible.
But at least they don't openly support the IS.
And, as I said, they don't really want the IS to "win".
Because then they'd lose power, if the IS invaded SA.
 
Big IF.
 
8:40 PM
They do like how the IS was threatening to overthrow their two enemies, Assad and the Shia government of Iraq.
 
It's been some time since I followed Syria-related news. I don't even know if they're winning or not.
 
They're not.
 
Thank God.
 
They have been losing territory continually over the past year or two.
And the liberation of Mosul is under preparation, by the Iraqi government and/or the Kurds.
 
In the meanwhile, I have yet to understand what the hell Turkey is doing in the middle of the fight.
It sometimes shakes hands with Russia.
Sometimes with the US.
 
8:42 PM
Yes.
 
Sometimes with Iran.
 
Turkey is ambivalent.
It really wanted Assad gone.
 
Triple-faced %$#@
 
But it didn't want the Kurds to conquer large parts of Syria and Iraq: that was and is Turkey's worst nightmare.
 
Or three-faced?
 
8:43 PM
Hah!
Like me?
I think both constructions are possible.
 
It's debatable whether three heads imply three faces.
 
Look at my photo.
 
What if there's a head without a face?
 
A big if!
 
What if there's a head with two faces?
OK, this is getting weird. I should sleep.
Night
 
8:44 PM
So Turkey hates Assad and the Kurds, so it figured, maybe if IS wins we can just ignore them and live in peace.
 
@Rubisco He's probably called Janus.
And goodnight.
 
And many Turkish businessmen profited greatly from smuggling money and resources to the IS across the border.
But then the IS attacks on Turkish citizens and Turkey began.
And Turkey thought, hmmm perhaps IS is even worse than Assad.
So now they kind of hate IS too, and they have finally taken some measures to stop the smuggling, from what I've heard.
Turkey disliked Russia, because Russia supports Assad.
But now Turkey has acquiesced, Assad will stay in power.
So they've made 'peace' with Russia.
Also because of the coup d'état: Erdogan doesn't trust anyone any more, and at least Russia is autocratic and firmly supports any government against coups.
As opposed to Europe and America.
@Rubisco Sleep well!
 
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