English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

user227867

12:08 AM

Warning: Hurricane Matthew approaches the US.

user227867

It has killed 289 people in the Caribbean.

tchrist

12:28 AM

J.S. Bach: St. Matthew Passion BWV 244 Kommt, ihr Tochter, helft mir klagen: CHOR MIT CHORAL

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user227867

1:17 AM

I vespri Siciliani (Sinfonia), from "Carreras, Domingo, and Pavarotti in concert"

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user227867

My favourite orchestra piece. ^

tchrist

2:12 AM

@Cerberus Arachnophile?

Cerberus

Estin.

tchrist

ἐστιν ?

tchrist

3:14 AM

Hi.

@hichris123 How come you don't ping?

RegDwigнt

11:56 AM

Hm. Reminds me of that Korean missile test meme.

Oh wait, that was Iran. Ah, the times they are a-changin.

terdon

12:15 PM

@RegDwigнt Please tell me those aren't loaded.

Mitch

12:25 PM

@WillHunting half the news here is about it.

You're lucky. Just typhoons in Antarctica.

user227867

@Mitch As you can see the American news channels get their info from me.

user227867

@Mitch There are no natural disasters here in Antarctica.

user227867

12:45 PM

Don't know why Chrome keeps freezing on me these days.

user227867

@RegDwigнt Looks like fireworks.

user227867

@RegDwigнt Looks like a high school band.

user227867

It's Friday night here in Antarctica.

Mitch

2:17 PM

-1

A: When to, and when not to pluralise month?

"Victor is a 7 month old baby". In the above case, 'a' acts as a determiner before the term '7 month'. In the below reference, '7 months' itself acts as a determiner. "Victor is 7 months old".

@tchrist another one: "In the below reference...". I find it jarring too (but sometimes I find myself with no other option but to do that. Except here there is an existing very common alternative: "In the reference below" Why don't people use the existing comfortable manner of saying it instead of choosing the grating preposition -> adjective change?

tchrist

@Mitch There's something about pineapples not understanding the demonstratives this/that/these/those, or the use of "the following".

Mitch

2:39 PM

@tchrist or following (even more idiomatic). But this is a problem for native speakers too.

tchrist

> Skeletal studies of living hybrid offspring — for example, in wolves and monkeys — may tell scientists where to look for signs of interbreeding on ancient hominid fossils.

Today I've learned that wolves and monkeys have living hybrid offspring. Who knew?

Rubisco

No, wolves and monkeys are skeletal studies.

tchrist

And now we know where flying monkeys come from!

user227867

@tchrist Those four things exist in Chinese too.

Mitch

@WillHunting even the two plural versions?

user227867

2:47 PM

@Mitch Well, not as individual words but as multiple words. Zhe Ge / Na Ge / Zhe Xie / Na Xie Ping Guo means This / That / These / Those Apples

user227867

An apple a day keeps the doctor away but the dentist coming.

user227867

Therefore, apples a day keep doctors away and dentists coming. QED.

tchrist

What's with the pornograph, Jasper?

user227867

Oh, that is a picture of Mariah Carey, if that is what you refer to. =)

tchrist

This is sad:

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A: Noun for enthusiast about all things Chinese?

Per Collins, a Sinophile is: someone who is strongly attracted to or interested in Chinese language, history and culture

user227867

2:51 PM

I know about Sino but never used a word with Sino in speech or writing, so I was surprised to see the answer.

Rubisco

@tchrist Yeah, China sometimes makes crappy phones

user227867

China bans many things but have their own versions of the things they ban.

user227867

I was watching a video on the Chinese equivalents of many American products.

user227867

I consider Mariah Carey the best female pop singer of English songs, and Jackie Cheung the best male pop singer of Chinese songs.

user227867

But I have no opinion of the best male pop singer of English songs or the best female pop singer of Chinese songs.

tchrist

2:57 PM

Who the hell cares about pop?

user227867

Those who like popcorn. =)

user227867

But I don't eat popcorn in the cinemas. The smell of popcorn there makes me want to puke.

user227867

The entire cinema gets filled with a buttery smell, very distracting.

user227867

In fact, I think cinemas should ban bringing in food and stop selling food outside as well, of course.

user227867

But selling hotdogs at five bucks is their way of making even more money out of the moviegoers.

Mitch

3:02 PM

@tchrist by definition, most people, otherwise they wouldn't be so popular.

user227867

I also hate people leaving at the end of the movie when the music is playing with the credits. I like staying behind until the picture completely stops.

Mitch

@WillHunting I didn't realize that 'xie' was a plural marker.

user227867

Then I feel that I have really watched the movie and really gotten value for my money.

user227867

@Mitch Well, my Chinese is not very good, so don't trust too much what I say about Chinese, or anything else for that matter.

Mitch

@WillHunting You never know if they'll have a blooper reel or a teaser for the next in the series

user227867

3:04 PM

@Mitch Yes, I was often taken aback by sudden such things.

Mitch

@WillHunting Almost all that info is available on IMDB now (and it goes by so fast on the screen anyway so even if you know that a particular person was the 2nd assistant 'person in crowd' stunt person, the credits go by too fast to catch them.

user227867

@Mitch Xie means something like some. Wo You Yi Xie Ping Guo means I have some apples.

Mitch

@WillHunting Being in Antarctica you're probably much closer (doesn't bother looking at globe)

user227867

@Mitch But I hate it when they put a substantial part of the plot right at the end, because it really should be with the main part of the movie.

Mitch

@WillHunting Only in Jackie Chan and Avenger movies respectively

@WillHunting before the credits?

user227867

3:07 PM

@Mitch Or maybe I just don't like to say I know something for sure unless I am really sure, while others on SE say so easily.

user227867

@Mitch Yes, before or after credits was what I was referring to.

user227867

@Mitch Note that Jackie Chan is the actor and martial artist, and Jackie Cheung is the pop singer.

user227867

@Mitch And also because I have not really written or read any Chinese for almost two decades.

Mitch

Jackie Mason is the comedian

@WillHunting Chinese (language) would take over the world by osmosis if only they would scrap ideographs and use an alphabet (preferably Roman).

@WillHunting That is indisputable.

user227867

@Mitch Well, the fact is that English is the scientific and technological language, so I doubt Chinese will take over in that way.

user227867

3:12 PM

@Mitch And IMDB is under Amazon. Amazon is indeed taking over the world!

user227867

@Mitch If Chinese can take over the world, then maybe Russian can too =)

user227867

English and Russian are the two languages on the International Space Station, and Russian women are beautiful.

user227867

Perhaps I should join a site for dating Russian women. I keep seeing such ads when I visit Linux websites.

Matt E. Эллен

is there are hypernym for beginnings and ends?

user227867

More context would be good @Matt.

Matt E. Эллен

3:19 PM

I'm trying to name a DB table where I'm storing word length against starting letter and ending letter

user227867

One problem is that though end can be used for either end, people could interpret it as the right end only and not the left end as well

user227867

So a good word would need to be free from this ambiguity

Mitch

@WillHunting They will take over simply by numbers and expediency. They don't proselytize but they don't change themselves much.

@WillHunting No one cares about Russia any more.

user227867

@MattE.Эллен So far, I can think of boundaries.

user227867

@Mitch I like Maria Sharapova.

Mitch

3:25 PM

@WillHunting I would recommend against that.

I've heard.

@MattE.Эллен transitions?

user227867

@Mitch Oh, what's wrong with that? Fraud?

Mitch

@WillHunting It just seems ... questionable.

So duolingo now has chatbots for language learning.

(for only a few languages, but still)

But here's a thing.

(there are many 'things', here is just one of them)

user227867

@Mitch ASSiMiL is the best language learning book available. But most products are for French speakers, though some are for English speakers and you can always learn French to learn another language.

Mitch

so the technology is getting better and better to teach language (in a scaled manner, without having to attend classes and embarrass yourself in front of others)

user227867

Visit ther website at fr.assimil.com

user227867

3:29 PM

Choose Anglais in the first selection box you see, or Francais, or whatever language you speak already.

Mitch

but along with that really good rocket science teaching, the tech for translating is also being developed to the point...

to the point where you may not even need to bother with learning a foreign language yourself. Just use the auto-Universal translator.

user227867

The first level books for beginners are the series called Sans Peine

user227867

The next level books after you finish those are the series called Perfectionnement

Mitch

The more advanced lessons are 'Avec Beaucoup de Peine'

user227867

Does that mean Pain In The Arse?

Mitch

3:32 PM

Et les plus avancés sont "Le mot 'stop' est 'Aieeeee'"

user227867

Their most famous book is Anglais Sans Peine, or English With Ease.

Mitch

@WillHunting 'With a lot of trouble' Pain is too literal, those French are so metaphorical

user227867

That book teaches their French people good English

user227867

Now they even have an American English version

Mitch

@WillHunting I thought their most famous book is "Eating your way through France (pour les gros cochons anglais)"

user227867

3:34 PM

Assimil has the best audio among all language learning products I know about. By a mile or three.

Mitch

That's unsatisfying in French. You can't say 'big fat pig' well.

user227867

It is the number one choice for many many polyglots in the world

terdon

@WillHunting Once you've mastered that, presumably you graduate to Sean Penn?

user227867

@terdon Yes, where you learn how to pronounce words like Sean correctly

Mitch

@WillHunting American English is the worst. They sound like that guy in "Meaning of Life": "Let me tell you..."

Monty Python - Meaning of Life - Death

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@terdon ba dum... tish!

terdon

3:36 PM

@Mitch I know right? It's awful? I can't stand it?

@Mitch Yeah, can't resist the easy ones.

user227867

So are the Ivy League universities really good, or are they overrated? What do the Americans think? I don't know.

Mitch

@terdon "Hey! I didn't eat the mousse."

terdon

I love that skit.

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch hmmm, not really. it's not about movement. just length correlated to first letter or last letter

@WillHunting that's a good start...

user227867

@MattE.Эллен And a good end =)

Mitch

3:40 PM

Nov 13 '15 at 12:48, by Mitch

Harvard is overrated

The parking is terrible

user227867

@Mitch 'Harvard' is said by the sexiest actress in the sexiest movie ever. Laura Ramsey in The Covenant. I will always remember that scene because she is so beautiful.

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен boundary was a good suggestion. There's always the logical, compositional naming method of a superclass: "beginnings_or_endings"

@WillHunting Harvard will not match that

Matt E. Эллен

@Mitch good point

user227867

So today my mum had to eat an eight course dinner for work. She needs to taste the food and give feedback for the company dinner coming up.

Mitch

@WillHunting 'Reputation' is a weird thing. Hard to quantify. And there's jealousy and relevance and nuance.

user227867

3:43 PM

That sounds delicious innit?

Mitch

You don't go to harvard if you want to study marine biology and be on a winning sports team.

also, different departments have different reputations. Math is obviously best research in the world (well next to Princeton).

user227867

Really hard to get into Princeton and Harvard then. But maybe I will still apply in future. =)

Mitch

H is really good overall because of faculty, but you could in the same breath say that it is overrated because an undergrad could get just as good an education at many different schools.

user227867

I actually like UCLA a lot. Definitely on my application list.

Mitch

@WillHunting for most Ivy leagues and well known good schools in the US, the percentage acceptance is under 10%, both because of selectivity but also lots of people send in applications anyway.

@WillHunting Nice job to have.

user227867

3:47 PM

@Mitch So I figured results won't get you into these schools. You need something more special than results, like mental illness, which might be a winning factor...

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен but obviously not satisfying. too clinical

@WillHunting knowing somebody also

Matt E. Эллен

I'm going with Boundary for now, I'll see if I think of anything else

user227867

@MattE.Эллен Remember to give me credit in the preface. I need more citations to apply to Harvard. =)

Matt E. Эллен

:D

Mitch

also being stealthy. The CS grad department is very good but not best in the world, so you could be very 'theoretical' in CS needing to take lots of math grad courses.

Matt E. Эллен

3:49 PM

Should I give credit to Will Hunting?

user227867

There was a person who did not know what Hunting means until I told him it was just the name =)

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен boundary sounds good. I'm concerned (very nitpickingly semantic) wondering if it is the letter or the between letter non-space that is the boundary.

We should take that up on PhlioELUStackExchange.SE

@MattE.Эллен and percentage of profits

Matt E. Эллен

is the fence the boundary or the first blade of grass?

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен exactly!

user227867

I was looking at the pic of James Murray making the OED on Wikipedia. Nice beard.

Mitch

3:51 PM

swoons in confusion

user227867

It is almost midnight here in Antarctica.

Matt E. Эллен

maybe edges?

user227867

If the CIA wanted to know where I live, they only have to read the transcript to know it is Antarctica.

user227867

Edges also sounds good. What I had in mind was boundary letters but I thought of edges first.

Mitch

@WillHunting I hear that the more likely successful strategy is to apply to a school (for grad school that is) where there is a professor or group that does the specific subjects you like. So Harvard might be good for motivic cohomology, but not so great in computational monodromy eversions (which might be better studied at GreenGrocer State University with Prof Farnsworth).

user227867

3:55 PM

@Mitch Reminds me of a question on ELU on inverted and everted. And I gave the example of an inverted condom

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен that sounds better out of context, but sounds weird for words. 'a word edge'? hmmm

Matt E. Эллен

AAAAAAn
tarctica
Where the wind blows cold
Or so I've been told
The penguins eat fish
Their second favourite dish
But you'll never see a polar bear
Anywhere down there
Antarctica!

Mitch

We should institute a polar bear patriation project to move them down to the south pole

user227867

We need a song for each continent!

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен sung to the tune for 'Oklahoma!'

Matt E. Эллен

3:56 PM

certainly with that sort of flair

user227867

Or is that Yokohama?

user227867

@MattE.Эллен Do you watch the gameshow Countdown? I think I would love it but I never watched it

Matt E. Эллен

I have watched it, but not in a few years

user227867

It seems Queen Elizabeth gave the show an award or something.

user227867

And it's also in the Guinness Records for reaching XXX episodes

user227867

3:59 PM

The winner wins the 20 volume OED!

user227867

And a laptop!

user227867

And a lifetime subscription to Oxford Dictionaries or something!

user227867

Woo!

user227867

I think you should take part.

Matt E. Эллен

knowing words, like they must, makes me wonder why they'd want all of the OED!

user227867

4:00 PM

To know even more words!

Matt E. Эллен

:D

user227867

I don't think I will do well on the show

user227867

I can't rearrange letters to form a word like that

Matt E. Эллен

I do OK when I play at home, but not nearly good enough to beat any of the contestants

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен being on stage makes it that much harder

user227867

4:02 PM

It is 5 PM in London now?

Matt E. Эллен

probably

@Mitch that too

user227867

I am waiting for Oxford and Collins to reply to my email last week, not that they are in London

Mitch

wait...I hesitate to ask... what is a penguins first favorite dish?

Matt E. Эллен

anything else. they eat fish all the time

Mitch

@WillHunting maybe they're visiting london and so not responding to work emails

user227867

4:03 PM

OK. I officially give up waiting. Maybe they get thousands of emails every day.

Mitch

@MattE.Эллен they should be more discriminating

reminds me of a joke.

user227867

@MattE.Эллен Besides Oxford and Collins are there other major dictionary publishers in the UK that publish foreign language bilingual dictionaries?

Mitch

what's the difference between a rat and a ...

hm.. that may be offensive.

Matt E. Эллен

@WillHunting not that I am aware of.

user227867

@MattE.Эллен Maybe that's why they are so cocky =)

Mitch

4:06 PM

Let's say Englishman.

Matt E. Эллен

Englishman

Mitch

Oh Englishman? OK, at your suggestion.

What's the difference between a rat and an Englishman?

user227867

Hello @Kit.

Mitch

There are some things a rat just won't eat.

Kit Z. Fox

Hi @Will.

Mitch

4:07 PM

YOu know , because steak and kidney pie. ewww....

Matt E. Эллен

there are somethings a lawyer won't eat?

Mitch

How dare you... some of the best people I've had for dinner are lawyers

Matt E. Эллен

they'll understand. everybody's very understanding

user227867

@MattE.Эллен Tell us about Greek lessons when they start

Mitch

up until the last bite?

Matt E. Эллен

4:10 PM

@WillHunting the first lesson was interesting. there were 7 people, including me, taking the course. we worked on pronouncing things

user227867

Oh @Mitch have you heard of the book Computability and Unsolvability by Martin Davis? I am thinking of using it to study computability.

user227867

@MattE.Эллен Good good. Now you can share your knowledge with Kit =)

Kit Z. Fox

@MattE.Эллен I didn't know 'things' was a Greek word.

Matt E. Эллен

har har :p

user227867

Now even I understand that joke.

Kit Z. Fox

4:12 PM

We should re-establish the Stuff-Things Dichotomy Committee.

Pillows: stuff or things?

Matt E. Эллен

πολυ ωραιο

user227867

Well, stuff = things QED

Kit Z. Fox

Heretic.

Matt E. Эллен

@KitZ.Fox stuffed things

Mitch

@KitZ.Fox stuff

Kit Z. Fox

4:14 PM

@MattE.Эллен pillow? zraio? I can't read that.

Mitch

well it's subtle

if you have a bunch of them, they're things. but one of them is just stuff

Matt E. Эллен

@KitZ.Fox poly oreo (very nice)

user227867

Also, in case you forget, free lessons here for Greek and many other languages.
http://livinglanguage.com/languagelab/greek

Kit Z. Fox

Oh, it's actually 'poly'. I thought it was a phonetic approximation of pillow.

Matt E. Эллен

πιλου

maybe

Kit Z. Fox

4:15 PM

rolls up sleeves

squints

moves lips slightly

Gah. I am so bad at self-study.

Matt E. Эллен

or perhaps just πιλό

user227867

Wow wow Matt seems to be a Greek expert already

Matt E. Эллен

I've got a bit of a grasp on the sounds, but no idea about how the language works yet :D

Andrew Leach

It says poly oraio. No idea what that is, though.

Matt E. Эллен

very nice

user227867

4:17 PM

Every time I think of Greek I think of the painting where the old man is attracted to the young man in ancient Greece =)

Kit Z. Fox

I couldn't remember whether omega was an o or a zed.

user227867

@KitZ.Fox That's easy. Think of the watch.

Kit Z. Fox

What watch?

user227867

Omega Watch

Kit Z. Fox

how will that help?

user227867

4:19 PM

Well, the symbol of Omega is on the watch, isn't it? Maybe that is not the question here hmm

Andrew Leach

It starts with O. O mega, "great O" or long O.

Matt E. Эллен

υ is a fun letter. it can be pronounce [i], [v], [f], or when paired with ο, they're pronounced [uː]

user227867

Omega SA

Omega SA (UK /ˈoʊmᵻɡə/; US /oʊˈmeɪɡə/) is a Swiss luxury watchmaker based in Biel/Bienne, Switzerland. Britain's Royal Flying Corps chose Omega watches in 1917 as its official timekeepers for its combat units, as did the American army in 1918. Omega watches were the choice of NASA and the first watch on the Moon in 1969. Omega has been the official timekeeping device of the Olympic Games since 1932. James Bond has worn it in films since 1995; other famous Omega wearers, past and present, include John F. Kennedy, Prince William, George Clooney, and Buzz Aldrin. Omega is owned by the Swatch Group...

Kit Z. Fox

@AndrewLeach Oh. Yes. Of course. I never thought of it that way.

user227867

Also, in the bible, it says "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last"

Andrew Leach

4:21 PM

The Greek letter for Z is Z and is the seventh letter in that alphabet, IIRC.

Kit Z. Fox

@MattE.Эллен When I learned the alphabet for my sorority initiation, in the song it was "OOPS-ilon!", which was fun.

Matt E. Эллен

:D

Kit Z. Fox

@AndrewLeach zeta? That's why I'm always messing it up. They've got it in the wrong place.

Matt E. Эллен

the English way of pronouncing Greek letters is different to the modern Greek way

user227867

@KitZ.Fox You were in a sorority? LOL. Maybe Matt was in a fraternity LOL

Matt E. Эллен

4:22 PM

I have a brother, but I don't think that's the same thing

Andrew Leach

@MattE.Эллен It is. Beta is v, but then that's a common mix-up ("gubernatorial").

MetaEd

@KitZ.Fox Futhark is even worse.

@AndrewLeach That's where we got our word goober.

Andrew Leach

And the [b] sound in beer is ΜΠ.

Matt E. Эллен

π is pee, μ is mi, ν is ni, τ is taff

@AndrewLeach which is why my girlfriend says "octomber"

user227867

I can only say cucumber

Mitch

4:25 PM

@MattE.Эллен that's dub

Matt E. Эллен

ντ is d, τζ is j

Andrew Leach

@MattE.Эллен At least the other -ber months will cause no problems.

Kit Z. Fox

@MattE.Эллен That's too cute.

Matt E. Эллен

yeah :D

user227867

Maybe octomber is an octopus which looks like a cucumber

user227867

4:26 PM

Not likely that a cucumber looks like an octopus

Kit Z. Fox

A sea cucumber.

Matt E. Эллен

:D

user227867

Ah. I happen to know that is an animal, not a plant. =)

user227867

It tastes like shit, don't even try it.

Matt E. Эллен

@AndrewLeach yes :D

user227867

4:28 PM

I think sea cucumber is a rather expensive delicacy in some places though

Matt E. Эллен

now you sea cucumber, now you don't

user227867

There is a recent fraternity movie 'Goat' and a recent sorority movie 'Sorority Slaughter' LOL

user227867

OK, so I tried to watch a few movies in the 'Friday the 13th' series but it was soooo boring. Those in the 'Halloween' series were much more exciting. I watched all 10 of them

user227867

Speaking of which, Halloween is coming.

user227867

The theme sound clip in the Halloween movies is brilliant. It's what got me attracted to the series.

user227867

4:40 PM

Halloween Original Soundtrack (1978) - Halloween Theme (Main Title)

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user227867

For your enjoyment ^

user227867

This is MASTERPIECE

user227867

I am going to take a nap after listening to that, lol. Bye.

Tonepoet

@WillHunting Is that why they have their own version of the Encyclopædia Britannica?

user227867

@Tonepoet Ha, I didn't know about that.

Tonepoet

4:52 PM

I didn't either until I saw one floating around on ebay.

Helmar

I think I have incited a rather unhelpful discussion under this question. The discussion should probably deleted in its entirety as the connotations to people speaking other languages is ultimately irrelevant.

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Q: Does word "collaborator" have any negative connotations?

The word "Collaborationism" has negative meaning, according to Wikipedia Collaborationism is cooperation with the enemy against one's country in wartime. Wikipedia also defines "collaboration" in the following manner: Collaboration is the process of two or more people or organizations...

connotation

Mitch

5:52 PM

@Helmar Something needs to be mentioned in the comments (or in the answer) about the nuance.

It's not two distinct meanings. Just that under many contexts 'collaborator' is almost pejorative (in the working with the enemy sense), and in just as many contexts, it is not pejorative at all (working with others)

Matt E. Эллен

6:06 PM

spies forked the meaning

Andrew Leach

pies forked at meeting

Yum.

Matt E. Эллен

apple pies, especially

tchrist

flies porked the meating

@MattE.Эллен with cheddar

Matt E. Эллен

or chicken

tchrist

That's the trick to making pies fly.

Matt E. Эллен

6:31 PM

will the same work for pigs? I hear there's a lot riding on that

Andrew Leach

How do you ride a flying pig?

Do you need a howdah?

tchrist

In a sequinned palanquin.

Matt E. Эллен

planking is so 2015

tchrist

piracy is on the rise again

Matt E. Эллен

6:49 PM

It's high tide something was done about it

tchrist

No man has arrived.

@Cerberus What does Dijsselbloem mean in Dutch, something about a flower-powered diesel engine? :)

Rubisco

@tchrist I can ask another Dutch

tchrist

@Rubisco Another Dutch what?

Uncle?

Rubisco

Dutch Dutch

Another Dutch flower

tchrist

Too lips for me.

Andrew Leach

6:57 PM

I discovered a new word today: Quotiescumque. I believe it means whenever.

tchrist

Cool.

1 Corinthians 11:26

Andrew Leach

Yes, it's in the Memorial Acclamations in the Mass. Quotiescumque manducamus panem hunc et calicem bibimus, mortem tuam annunitiamus, Domine, donec venias.

Derived from that verse.

tchrist

That's an indicative inflection in Latin. Most Spanish translations use a subjunctive there, more like "whensoever we should ...."

Andrew Leach

Indeed. "When we eat this bread and drink this cup, we proclaim your death, O Lord, until you come again."

Although the Tudor language version also has "until thou come again".

Not sure about the subjunctive at that end of the phrase.

tchrist

Oh, it's right.

"Until thou come" is subjunctive.

Like "until death do us part".

Andrew Leach

7:07 PM

Yes. I was brought up on that sort of English.

tchrist

We don't talk that way anymore in English, but we did once.

Andrew Leach

Some of us still do, in certain circumstances.

tchrist

Liturgical ones, certainly.

> Porque todas las veces que comiereis este pan, y bebiereis esta copa, la muerte del Señor anunciáis hasta que venga.

That's the oldest normal translation, and it uses "future subjunctive", which is no longer uses in Spanish but is common in Portuguese yet.

The "hasta que venga" is normal present subjunctive.

Cerberus

@tchrist Most probably a distle bloom, since the name Dijstelbloem is also common.

Or do you no longer have the word distle?

It's prickly.

tchrist

Thistle.

Cerberus

7:10 PM

Yes.

tchrist

Thistle have thorns in English.

Cerberus

But the d variant?

tchrist

No, we like the thorn. :)

Cerberus

Or has the d spelling never existed?

tchrist

That I do not know.

Cerberus

7:10 PM

Nor I.

Andrew Leach

OED doesn't have distle.

tchrist

> Por lo tanto, siempre que coman este pan, y beban esta copa, proclaman la muerte del Señor, hasta que él venga.

Cerberus

Apparently not.

tchrist

That’s the modern translation.

Cerberus

Only spellings with f and t exist at all, and they seem to be "regional".

tchrist

7:12 PM

f?

As opposed to th.

fistle?

Yay.

That's surely a new one on me

Andrew Leach

Yeah. Fistle. Them fings you ert youseff on. Innit.

Rubisco

7:13 PM

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Q: Is question migration a waste of time?

We spend a fair amount of time talking about question migrations between sites. These conversations happen internally, publicly and semi-publicly in the network-wide moderator chat room. In the interest of reducing the time we collectively spend discussing it, let’s see if we can formulate a cle...

discussion migration

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tchrist

Nice that we're the poster child.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto yo m8, has you watched デス・パレード yet? Cuz you should totally watch デス・パレード. Cuz if you haven't watched デス・パレード, I ain't talking at you till you've watched デス・パレード. Cuz you totally should watch デス・パレード. Like, totally. デス・パレード.

@everyoneelse: same at you. Go watch デス・パレード. Cuz if you haven't, you suck at life. Like, totally.

Death Parade OP / Opening デス・パレード"Flyers" by BRADIO [HD 720p]

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Mitch

@tchrist only shoe pies fly

Rubisco

in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by rene

If I take it apart you could read it as "The" "Ijssel" "Flower" where Ijssel is the name of a river in the east of the Netherlands, streaming to the IJssel lake

Cerberus

@Rubisco That seems less likely given the fact that I know of no "IJsselbloem", and that the spelling Dijstelbloem is also common.

Rubisco

7:27 PM

@Cerberus Well . . . I wasn't the poster of that message

Helmar

@Mitch It sure does. The real question is if the nuance perceived by a non-native speaker is relevant to a question about the connotations in moder English.

Precog Mitch again

I wrote that comment and literally saw you entering the same moment.

RegDwigнt

One thing bears mentioning, though. You have to watch デス・パレード, because you must.

The only way to escape that obligation is by watching デス・パレード.

Helmar

@AndrewLeach thanks for the edit. I kicked out the use of deleted overall.

Andrew Leach

7:43 PM

@Helmar Well, deleted is fine if all instances have been removed; blacklisting is a system control to stop it coming back.

Helmar

Yeah, but I actually went over my post to get rid of the deleted and missed the list title and sub header.

I was also thinking that that post might be better as CW.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Do you mean "Desu Pareedo"? Cuz that's what the katakana says.

I went to the site but it ain't free, and it ain't on the usual venues. But I guess I'll give strangers my credit card after all, since apparently it's either that or you won't talk to me ever again ...

You realize you're totally high-maintenance, right?

user227867

@Tonepoet Interesting that books can float these days.

user227867

@Rubisco Closing them is a waste of time as well. This is what I have been saying the last 9000 years.

Tonepoet

8:41 PM

@WillHunting Definitely! I mean even just days before I would've said it's impossible but...