English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

2:17 AM

@Robusto We read some Boorstin for Comp II. I think what we read was from The Image.

Anyway, that.

So I punch through to MW to look something up, and it interposes its word of the day that I have to continue on through to get to what I wanted. Problem is that that word was quondam. I hate to break this to them, but quondam can’t be a word of the day; word of yesteryear, maybe, but not word of the day.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

OED's is pluranimity.

tchrist

Somehow that reminds me of onymous.

In that it is the opposite of a more common word.

And rather less common.

Does apex have a natural antonym that is customarily paired with it, the way zenith pairs with nadir?

I think it doesn’t, because apex is the tip of something, and what’s the opposite of a tip?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

The deepest depths of a hole?

It's the natural enemy of the pile.

tchrist

2:33 AM

I don't think we have a word for it. Hm.

Rephrase.

I don't think I know the word for it.

Cerberus

Heh.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 How do you feel about this nice quotation from XDA?

> Most consumers are happy with whatever phone they get, yet always want something better.

tchrist

Zenith and nadir are from Arabic by way of Medieval Latin out of Spain, apogee and perigee from Greek by way of Latin and thence French, but apex from Latin proper.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 By the way, I was mentioned in an article on their front page, but I only found out just now. And I was mentioned for criticising something. Isn't that nice?

xda-developers.com/…

tchrist

I feel like there should be some bottom of the crevasse type word, an inverted apex.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

I'm with you.

tchrist

2:47 AM

It’s like how we have two different words for the top of your house, one for when you look at it from inside and a different one for looking at it from outside, or for a corner, one for looking at the exterior part and another for the interior part.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

@tchrist the base.

Basis? Radix?

tchrist

Radical.

sumelic

3:03 AM

@tchrist: English has different words for a corner looked at from the inside vs. the outside? What are they?

tchrist

Wait, did you say English? :)

> 3. rincón ‎(plural rincons or rincones) (US, southwestern US) An interior corner; a nook; hence, an angular recess or hollow bend in a mountain, river, cliff, etc.

So yes, but only in a small rincón of where English is spoken.

rincón

Noun: rincón ‎(plural rincons or rincones)

(US, southwestern US) A meadow on the south-facing upper slopes of a mountain.
rincón m ‎(plural rincones)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus wow, you're a "senior xda member"?

tchrist

Hola, Señor Member.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus I think that quote is very truthy.

sumelic

@tchrist I didn't know if I was included in the "we." My brother is very annoyed by the lack of an inclusive-exclusive distinction in the English first-person-plural pronouns, and now I can see why.

@tchrist I guess this is my "word of the day."

@tchrist wait, does that say that the second definition of "rincón" is " rincón" ?

tchrist

3:08 AM

@sumelic Onebox buglette.

The real page isn’t silly.

It’s interesting that neither of the two contrasting words for corner in Spanish comes from Latin, nor are they shared by any other Romance language outside Iberia (that I know of). The internal rincón is from the Arabic invaders and the exterior esquina is from the Visigothic invaders.

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Weird.

tchrist

French has coin, Italian angolo.

And I don’t know that they have an interior/exterior foil.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I've never heard of one in French.

tchrist

On dit dans le coin, je crois.

And I think that means something up in the nook or something living on the corner.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

you can also have aux coin

As a child I often heard my mom tell me "va t'assoir dans le coin"

As in English: you can sit "in a corner", which means in the inner angle formed by two walls, but you don't sit "on a corner", unless it's on top of the corner of a piece of furniture. Something could be located "at" the corner, which would typically be the outside corner.

I'm rusty but I think all those cases have direct, straight-forward correspondences in French.

I wonder how many languages have words that differentiate the inside corner vs the outside.

skill patrol

3:19 AM

There's also "getting cornered"

tchrist

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That's interesting.

I think in English one lives on the corner.

But you would stand at the corner.

For the outside!

And in the corner for the inside.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

well, it's getting late and I'm tired of arguing with libertarians and anti-vaxxers on g+, so... good night!

tchrist

You shouldn’t do that. It just makes you smell bad.

skill patrol

Later pal.

tchrist

> We start with egg whites boiled for 20 minutes at 90 degrees Celsius and return a key protein in the egg to working order

Ok then, so they were at two miles when they did this. Obviously.

Otherwise it wasn’t boiling at 90 C.

skill patrol

3:30 AM

So in Death Valley water would boil at 110 C?

tchrist

It’s at –10,000 feet?

Thought not.

Only –280.

So not even a full degree.

A cymatium is a molding on the cornice.

From a diminutive of Greek kyma, whose gender the Romans never quite worked out, bequeathing their confusion on the rest of us.

skill patrol

Define: cornice

tchrist

Probably not a good esquina substitute though.

A kind of game hen. :)

> 1. Archit. a. A horizontal moulded projection which crowns or finishes a building or some part of a building; spec. the uppermost member of the entablature of an order surmounting the frieze.

skill patrol

Sometimes the room automatically defines words when I use the "define:"

tchrist

Related to cornix, Latin crow (Corvus cornix), otherwise known as the Roman game hen. :)

> cornice /ˈkɔ˞ːnɪs/, sb.
Forms: 6– cornice, 7 cornishe, corniche (coronix), 6–8 coronice, 6 coronich (cornix), 6–9 cornish.

Etymology: The forms cornice, cornishe, were taken immed. from Fr. and Ital. equivalents: cf. 16th c. Fr. cornice, cornise, in Cotgr. cornice, corniche ‘the cornish or brow of a piller or wall’, mod.Fr. corniche; ad. Ital. cornice /korˈnitʃe/ ‘the ledge whereon they hang tapistrie in any roome; also an out-jetting peece or part of a house or wall’ (Florio); cornice represents the Ital. spelling; Fr. corniche, Eng. cornish derive from Ital. pronunciation. The variants…

skill patrol

3:37 AM

Wiki: Rome

tchrist

That was Kit's toy.

Cornish game hen

In the United States, a Cornish game hen, also sometimes called a Cornish hen, poussin, Rock Cornish hen, or simply Rock Cornish, is a hybrid chicken sold whole. Despite the name, it is not a game bird. Rather, it is a broiler chicken, the most common strain of commercially raised meat chickens. Though the bird is called a "hen", it can be either male or female. A cornish hen typically commands a higher price per pound than typically sold chickens, despite a shorter growing span of 28 to 30 days, as opposed to 42 or more for regular chicken. The Rock Cornish game hen or Rock Cornish hen is a cross...

skill patrol

But it worked in here just the other day?

tchrist

Oh really?

Didn't know.

skill patrol

Wikipedia: Cornish game hen

Define: hen

Maybe it was on another room :-/

tchrist

Betcha.

skill patrol

3:44 AM

Yep, that must be it.

SmokeDetector

4:06 AM

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sumelic

looks like the start of a new span wave. Any mods around?

*spam

Oh, I didn't realize smokey could actually blacklist people.

skill patrol

blacklisted user :O

tchrist

4:26 AM

Smokey listens to user-input messages only in the Tavern and Charcoal HQ, I believe.

That’s where you blacklist people.

But this is a new pattern, which he is now being trained on.

We don’t actually need mods if there are enough of us.

The rate is not very high. Yet. They may just be probing. It isn't clear.

The Tavern is always awake all night, although they don't most of them have many ELU flags. It would probably be enough though. We'll see how it develops.

skill patrol

:D

skill patrol

5:40 AM

@tchrist how did you one box that?

I think that is what I was confusing with "Define:"

tchrist

@skillpatrol https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rinc%C3%B3n

skill patrol

I see, thanks pal.

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