English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

tchrist

3:47 AM

@Robusto The hive mind is only as sharp as its sexless workers' missing parts are small.

Never had 'em, never will.

skill patrol

5:08 AM

in Mathematics, 12 mins ago, by skill patrol

We lost a legend :'(

Stan Shunpike

6:11 AM

@skillpatrol my condolences to Raider Nation.

skill patrol

7:02 AM

Thank you my friend @StanShunpike

skill patrol

8:09 AM

in The h Bar, 5 mins ago, by skill patrol

Mathematics: Why the brain sees maths as beauty from this study.

Justyna Nogala

8:36 AM

Hi, which adjective fits better in this context "Gestapo officers came to Mszana Dolna and, as a punishment for not paying the whole/entire contribution, they killed 800 people on the spot "?

skill patrol

8:49 AM

I would say "the entire contribution" is the better fit.

Justyna Nogala

one more thing

"the older" describes one person who is "older" than the other right?

"The old" describes a group of people

skill patrol

Sentence please :-)

Justyna Nogala

The older and the handicapped people transported from Skawina were buried there within a few days.

I would get rid of "people" in this sentence

We already know who are "The handicapped" so there is no need to write people after that.

skill patrol

I would rewrite it as, "The elderly and handicapped were transported from Skawina and buried there within a few days."

Where is "there"?

Replace "there" with the location.

Justyna Nogala

9:07 AM

"there" was mentioned in a previous sentence

"Germans transported those arrested people to the prison in Krzeszowice on 8th June July [1942], and then, in horse-drawn carts, to the woods near Skawina and shot them there. The grave had already been prepared.

"The woods near Skawnia" is the place of burial

skill patrol

This is getting kind of depressing.

Justyna Nogala

what ?

skill patrol

Talking about mass executions.

Justyna Nogala

We are not talking about mass executions.

We are talking about grammar and the proper use of words ;p

skill patrol

9:23 AM

In the context of mass executions.

Justyna Nogala

My translations are just instruments for dealing with this subject.

There is nothing depressing in talking about such things unless you are very emotional person.

skill patrol

9:41 AM

If you talk about it long enough, it will wear you down.

Justyna Nogala

I'm highly resistant to it

World War II has been my favorite subject in school

and still is.

"$2,000 Reward

The NYPD/New York City Police Foundation CRIME STOPPERS Program offers rewards of up to $2,000 for anonymous information that leads to the arrest and indictment of a violent felon." ; 0

Who does leav in NY here?

Damkerng T.

10:04 AM

@skillpatrol Nice. Euler's identity is indeed beautiful.

RegDwigнt

@MattE.Эллен lol your horrible horibble English shows. I not is. I am.

Damkerng T.

Hi @RegDwigнt!

RegDwigнt

If you say so!

skill patrol

Agreed @DamkerngT.

I'm sort of surprised they didn't use E = mc^2

RegDwigнt

I am not. It would be wrong.

mc² gets you e, not E.

skill patrol

10:09 AM

If you say so!

RegDwigнt

This is physics, man. Formulas, FFS. Even in plain soft language, "English" and "english" are not the same thing. And you think in hardcore mathematic formulas they somehow are?

Next up you'll tell me ∫ is the same as ſ or f.

skill patrol

∫ is the same as ſ or f.

RegDwigнt

See. I was right. As always. As always.

Justyna Nogala

sixtysymbols.com a pretty useful tool when it comes to phisycs and astronomy

RegDwigнt

Hm. I am no Einstein, but something tells me 99% of these signs are not useful in physics or astronomy. Astrology, perhaps.

Justyna Nogala

10:14 AM

There are videos hidden in these signs

RegDwigнt

See. There are no videos hidden in physics or astronomy. Not a one.

QED

Justyna Nogala

ahah

No but people who did this site shot videos in which they describe each of the symbol

RegDwigнt

Lesson 101 on using this room: a regular would have instead used the retort "err, all videos from all TV stations are hidden in astronomy, forever".

We'll have to wait for someone the kin of @Robusto to provide Exhibit A.

Message to subcontinent: go pester Robusto so he seeks consolation here.

Justyna Nogala

Where the rest of the lessons have gone?

RegDwigнt

Only lesson 101 is in room 101. The rest of the lessons went to the restrooms.

Cf the star wall.

skill patrol

10:20 AM

Even lessons need a rest.

RegDwigнt

Apparently they thought they had nothing to do with language.

Justyna Nogala

Should I have visited the room no.1?

skill patrol

Even rest needs a lesson.

Go visit the room 1/0.

Justyna Nogala

Could you share a link to this site?

pleaseeeee

;)

skill patrol

:)

Matt E. Эллен

10:23 AM

@RegDwigнt you am?

RegDwigнt

I just said I amed. You lost your spectacles?

skill patrol

@MattE.Эллен Hi pal wb

RegDwigнt

oic intl abbr day lol ftw #lifehacks #timesavers #yolo

Matt E. Эллен

@RegDwigнt what you amed at?

@skillpatrol thx

RegDwigнt

@MattE.Эллен that is a well-guarded Crete Sea.

Matt E. Эллен

10:28 AM

Crete Seizure

Robusto

10:46 AM

@RegDwigнt I'm fresh out of Exhibits A. Will a B or a C serve?

RegDwigнt

That is terrible planning. See, this is exactly why one needs a five-year plan.

skill patrol

Will a four or three year plan serve?

Robusto

You think Putin has a five-year plan?

I offer ten six-month plans instead.

RegDwigнt

Last time I checked the changed Constitution, he has a fifty-year plan.

Robusto

He's just like Stalin, only with Put- instead of Stal-.

RegDwigнt

10:50 AM

Meanwhile in the US every president gets exactly one four-year plan, and then some get a four-year lack of plan on top of that.

Robusto

Yes. Your system is much better. yawns

Mitch

I have nothing to say about that.

RegDwigнt

Yes. The results are too apparent. We don't need to import fries from France, and we have no Osamacare.

Mitch

Argh! Except for that!

RegDwigнt

We also don't name our laws like we're some retarded parents.

Children Saving Love Patriot America America America Act of Love and Pride.

We just say, "law about this and that".

Robusto

10:52 AM

2 mins ago, by Robusto

Yes. Your system is much better. yawns

RegDwigнt

Exactly.

No yawn left behind.

skill patrol

:O

^yawn

Mitch

Cover your mouth when you yawn!

RegDwigнt

Get off his yawn.

Mitch

Pitch roll and yawn

In 'sensei' how do you pronounce the second syllable to be closer to Japanese? More like 'lay' or more like 'lie'?

Damkerng T.

10:57 AM

It's closer to 'lay'.

RegDwigнt

Why would it be like lie?

Robusto

@Mitch Like you were to say the names of the first and second vowels of English together quickly.

RegDwigнt

Also, why no IPA? "Lay" is pronounced "lie" in many Englishes.

Robusto

sense + a + e.

Sensei is ~~three~~ four syllables.

RegDwigнt

Hence the three vowels.

Makes perfect sensei to me.

Robusto

10:58 AM

se + n + se + i

Damkerng T.

Oh, I didn't see Robusto. He sure knows how to pronounce sensei better than me.

RegDwigнt

The Room - The Flower Shop Scene

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Robusto

Here are the four syllables in Japanese: せんせい

For those of you playing along at home, here's how it's written: 先生

RegDwigнt

Yawn.

Robusto

Still stewing, eh?

RegDwigнt

11:02 AM

No, watching The Room.

Robusto

It's only a minute long. How many times did you watch it?

Mitch

Thank you. I'm actually still a little confused. So closer to 'lay'

Robusto

Closer to lay.

Mitch

Im watching the room. Nothing changed yet

Damkerng T.

@Robusto はい、せんせい！

Mitch

11:04 AM

Ah... No I thought the cat was coming but that was my imagination

RegDwigнt

@Robusto the entire movie is 80 minutes. And it's the longest 80 months of your life.

Mitch

Do things outside of the room count? How about outside of The Room?

Robusto

Why I'm not watching it.

Mitch

How about the The Road?

terdon

@Cerberus yes, it's Lagarde

Mitch

11:06 AM

Or The Town?

RegDwigнt

Hey if you watched things like Titanic, there is no excuse left for you to not skip them impostors and just watch the real worst movie evar.

Robusto

I thought Troll 2 was the worst. Perhaps I was mistaken.

RegDwigнt

Nonono. Forget Troll 2. Forget Gigli. Forget Battlefield Earth. Forget Battleships. Forget Transformers VI through XII. The Room is where it's at.

Robusto

Worse than Red Zone: Cuba?

Worse than Manos, Hands of Fate?

RegDwigнt

There is only one, exactly one movie in the entire history of mankind that comes somewhat closer to playing the same sport as The Room:

imdb.com/title/tt0421051

Robusto

11:09 AM

@RegDwigнt That's a bold statement.

RegDwigнt

Thankfully, after almost 40 years of watching crap, I am in the precise position to make it.

Robusto

imdb.com/title/tt0060666/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Manos gets a 1.9 on IMDB. Your Danel the Zauberer gets 2.0.

RegDwigнt

Precisely.

See how little you understand about movies?

Daniel der Zauberer was only, ever watched by fans of said Daniel. Whose only three achievements in life so far are 1) coming in third in the very first edition of German Idol, 2) being queer and ridiculously uneducated and 3) crashing into a truck loaded with pickled cucumbers at the age of 17, without a driver's license.

Robusto

Birdemic is only a 1.8: imdb.com/title/tt1316037/?ref_=tt_rec_tti

RegDwigнt

It goes without saying that if you're that kind of fan, you'll give a movie a 10 come hell or high water.

Robusto

11:14 AM

> A platoon of eagles and vultures attacks the residents of a small town. Many people die. It's not known what caused the flying menace to attack. Two people manage to fight back, but will they survive Birdemic?

RegDwigнt

@Robusto I think Gigli is something like 4 actually. These ratings don't mean shit.

Oh, and may I remind you of your favorite Shawshank Redemption.

Robusto

No, they don't. According to IMDB, the best movie ever made was The Shawshank Redemption.

jinx

RegDwigнt

And it will stay that way forever and ever.

It already has stayed that way forever and ever.

Robusto

Quotes
[first lines]
Rod: Hi.
Nathalie: Hi.
Nathalie: Here's the menu.
Rod: Thank you.
See more »

hahahaha

RegDwigнt

Not even the five armies of paid reviewers could get the Dark Knight to crush it even for a day.

Robusto

11:16 AM

Still waiting for my Shawshank coke.

RegDwigнt

1 min ago, by RegDwigнt

And it will stay that way forever and ever.

Robusto

Undrinkable.

> Most of the time strings are efficiently represented as primitive values . . .

Hmm, here's a case where punctuation would have helped.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto if you want an awesum movie along those exact lines, see Sharknado I, Sharknado II, or Ghost Shark. If you want a worse movie along those exact lines, see Snakes on a Plane, Sand Shark, or Two-Headed Shark Attack.

Robusto

How about a checksum movie?

RegDwigнt

Oh, and what was the name of that movie again that had no sharks but a giant alligator and starred fucking Michael Madsen?

That was the most terrifying thing about it.

@Robusto see Cube II or Cube III: Hypercube.

Ah there we go. Croc was the name.

Robusto

11:21 AM

> [Birdemic] outshines "Troll 2" in every respect. It puts "Plan 9 From Outer Space" and "The Room" to shame.

Image not found.

Reg not found.

> If you want to explain blocking, editing, framing, sound markers, continuity, reverse shots, and other film terms to your friends, this is the film to use. None of it is done correctly.

@RegDwigнt That's a crock.

Justyna Nogala

What a stupid idea to swim in a river along with crocodiles.

Robusto

11:24 AM

Also a stupid idea to go into the haunted house in the woods, but that's what people do in movies.

RegDwigнt

@Robusto yeah see, and that is precisely the thing. People will always compare stuff to Plan 9 and The Room. That says it all. They are the true milestones. Everything else, everything else pales in comparison. Who uses Birdemic as the standard? Nobody, that's who. Just like for Gigli or Snakes on the Plane. They can be as terrible as they want. But they are no Plan 9 or The room.

Robusto

That is an elitist point of view.

Reactionary, too. You discount Birdemic just because it's new.

Justyna Nogala

Were I to choose I would choose a haunted manor

RegDwigнt

@Robusto the way I recall it, and I have no idea why I even recall any of it, the croc was somehow genetically modified. By an arrow shot from an AK47 crossbow or something. By some chick. Then Michael Madsen, a revered scientist, wanders around the woods for 90 minutes, getting caught by terrorists. The end.

Robusto

Sounds like a waste of Michael Madsen.

RegDwigнt

11:26 AM

@Robusto not really no. I fell in love with Sharknado the second I tuned in.

@Robusto that is what I've been trying to say, yes.

imdb.com/title/tt1127177

Oh, by the way. Croc is also the name of his character.

You can't make that stuff up.

Robusto

You'd think he could get better roles than that.

RegDwigнt

It must be a true story.

@Robusto four years after Kill Bill, mind you.

Robusto

How the mighty have fallen.

This is Tarantino's fault. If he'd have found a role for Madsen in Ingluorious Basterds maybe he wouldn't have had to be in Croc.

RegDwigнt

You never know. That's like saying if Christopher Nolan let David Carradine play the Joker, he wouldn't have strangled himself to death in Bangkok.

Some people are just into things.

Damkerng T.

@RegDwigнt Weird. I thought it was a Thai movie.

RegDwigнt

11:31 AM

One day you eat the bear, the other day the bear eats you.

Damkerng T.

@RegDwigнt Oh, that was very sad news.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Is that some kind of Eastern thing?

RegDwigнt

One day it's Synecdoche: New York, the other: death.

@Robusto Far from it.

Robusto

I like your style.

RegDwigнt

Thank you. Just one thing: do you have to use so many cuss words?

Robusto

11:33 AM

What the fuck you talkin' about?

RegDwigнt

The physical act of love. Coitus. Do you like it?

Justyna Nogala

Is there another word for "enter forcibly" but not "break into"? another synonym?

Robusto

Invade.

Justyna Nogala

To enter forcibly and simultaneously in great hurry.

RegDwigнt

Burst into.

Force your way in.

Ta-da!

Robusto

11:36 AM

Muscle in.

RegDwigнt

Jim Carrey in.

Justyna Nogala

Thank you.

Mitch

Now that that's settled, how bout them Mexicans?

On a different story I heard Taco Bell is coming out with pizza.

RegDwigнt

"I just saw the word X being used as a noun. Can the word X be used as a noun? Because I just saw the word X being used as a noun."

sigh

Mitch

Yes?

I saw a word being used as a noun too.

Robusto

11:50 AM

I thought X was proposition.

Mitch

The same word?

Robusto

X is a constant, not a variable.

RegDwigнt

Variables can be constant.

Just ask the subcontinent.

Matt E. Эллен

if your acceleration is constant your velocity varies constantly

RegDwigнt

Especially if it's the velocity of New Jersey.

Robusto

11:54 AM

Do you Deutschbags call India the ubootcontinent?

RegDwigнt

The u-what-conti-who?

tchrist

Gettin’ to ya, eh?

Robusto

U-Boot, motherfucker. Do you speak it?

tchrist

That would be a yes.

RegDwigнt

You seem to be on U-Booty call.

Mitch

11:55 AM

Your constants can be variable. Just unspecified

Your

RegDwigнt

You're unspecified.

Mitch

NO UR

Robusto

In other news, it seems the sc (short for subcontinent) sincerely believes not only in doing the wrong things, but also doing them for the wrong reasons. It has a kind of symmetry, I guess.

RegDwigнt

Eat fresh.

Robusto

Someone just put CSS in a style declaration in markup (violation of domains) to indicate that an element should be clickable when clicking it will do nothing (no event handler attached, nor should there be).

I'm getting too old for this shit. Seriously.

tchrist

11:59 AM

You know, if that meant more to me, it might bother be.

Try putting HTML in your database and business logic in your forms.

Robusto

Oh, don't think I haven't seen that before.

JSTL is all about putting business logic in forms.

tchrist

Even better, try sending fricking HTML email that actually looks like you want it to in the face of outrageous mailers that rewrite the whole thing for you.

RegDwigнt

Wait, business has logic? (@_@)

tchrist

Forget CSS.

Robusto

So far I have avoided anything involving email.

tchrist

12:00 PM

Forget <style>.

Robusto

I just flat refuse. I tell them they're paying me way too much to be working on email.

tchrist

You have to put the styling on every single element, every single time, over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

RegDwigнt

Email is still a thing?

Robusto

Not for me it ain't.

tchrist

Some people want receipts when they pay for their annual taxes. I don't know why.

RegDwigнt

12:02 PM

To hang them on christmas trees.

Robusto

That would be the Leninist view of Christmas, yes.

RegDwigнt

Hey hey, I saved the world today. Everybody's happy now.

Mitch

Are there wrong things for the right reasons

RegDwigнt

Are there things?

Robusto

Nobody Does It Better - Carly Simon ( Theme from the Bond movie The Spy Who Loved Me )

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RegDwigнt

12:04 PM

23 hours ago, by Mitch

There is nothing that isn't my imagination

Mitch

Call up a bowling alley and ask them if they have 20 lb balls.

Life is worth living because of the little things

Also worth it because of Nutella.

Life is worth living because of the little things

RegDwigнt

Nutella is no little thing.

Mitch

Exactly

They can only make it better by adding vitamins. Also replacing the Palm oil with something that won't kill you.

Other than that it would be gilding the lily

Robusto

@Mitch It's funny because it's true.

Mitch

new book idea: songs about architecture

random unrepeatable statement

new biz plan: lily gilding

@RegDwigнt my imagination of reality is so creative, even I would not have expected most of what pops up.

Like the whole Ukraine thing. I had no idea.

And.... meeting

another unrepeated thing

Robusto

12:22 PM

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Q: A word for a scrawny, ghastly but wise and academic or studious person

I'm looking for a word, not necessarily a direct “reverse dictionary” sort of word that has the definition above, but even a creative word that can describe, label, or represent that sort of person with just the one word. Having a slightly negative connotation is an added bonus, and a balance bet...

Wow, that's . . . specific.

I can give you scrawny, ghastly but wise, possibly academic—but not studious. Fail.

RegDwigнt

Ugh. A creative word that can describe.

Nonono. Off-topic.

Gsaböljguoz is a creative word that can describe.

Robusto

A word doesn't necessarily exist just because you can describe some characteristics. Anyway, what is the point? Are you trying to write a ten-word book? — Robusto 9 secs ago

Cerberus

@terdon Don't you think that is a strange spelling?

Robusto

12:38 PM

> we need some clearifications —the sc

Cerberus

Hmm hmm?

RegDwigнt

And isn't it a spelling, don't you think?

Robusto

Yet stubbornly persistent:

> basically this is existing issue and we need some clearifications for implimentations also

RegDwigнt

Answer: basically this is a non-issue and nobody thinks it is.

Robusto

12:53 PM

Welcome to the monkey house.

RegDwigнt

Seven billion people don't give a flying shit about your "existing issue".

People who have issues should go see a psychiatrist.

Robusto

The Dandy Warhols - We Used To Be Friends

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RegDwigнt

I really love your hairdo, I'm glad you like mine too.

Robusto

See, we're looking pretty cool.

RegDwigнt

And I like you.

Robusto

12:56 PM

Wait, who's that guy?

RegDwigнt

I think he pays the too damn high rent.

Even has to sleep on the couch.

Robusto

While we're on the subject:

The Dandy Warhols - Horse Pills

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RegDwigнt

Jagged little horse pills.

Justyna Nogala

1:50 PM

Dr. Timothy Leary interview-LSD (Merv Griffin Show 1966)

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Justyna Nogala

2:08 PM

-Mother to her son , have you been a good boy Tommy? did ya play football with them boys in the neiberhood ?
-Tommy Mumm, we were exploring our brains by dint of hard drugs Mr Timothy said that is the only way to meet oneself. - ohh poor boy do not listen to this man, you'd better do your homework. - You know nothing bout LSD !!! get lost mum I want to be somebody!

RegDwigнt

3:04 PM

RIP Omar Sharif.

3

RegDwigнt

3:19 PM

Why do you expect Spanish and English to be the same? — Peter Shor 9 mins ago

More or less, yes — Doeser 2 mins ago

O ELU, you funny funny creepy site.

Robusto

@RegDwigнt Well, we often say "To your health" when we drink with someone, don't we? I don't see the problem. And let's not forget that beer goggles can be an invaluable beauty aid.

Vodka goggles are probably even better.

Faheem Mitha

4:16 PM

Interesting, this little chart doesn't bother to include India in the English category.

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It's official, folks.Nobody in India speaks English.

Matt E. Эллен

@FaheemMitha given that it's about native speakers, how many native speakers of English live in India?

Faheem Mitha

@MattE.Эллен Define native speaker.

Matt E. Эллен

@FaheemMitha someone who learns the language from their family and peers, not in a taught setting, as a child.

Damkerng T.

@FaheemMitha What's more interesting is that Thai and Laotian didn't even make it to the chart.

Matt E. Эллен

the chart specifically uses the term "mother tongue", so they could be being restricting it to parents, but probably not.

Damkerng T.

4:23 PM

Wikipedia will give different stats, I think.

Faheem Mitha

@MattE.Эллен Then at least 1. And probably a lot more.

Damkerng T.

Oh, that's interesting! Wikipedia divided Thai dialects into languages!

It'd be like saying that American is not the same language as English.

skill patrol

I speak American?

Matt E. Эллен

> countries whose figures in each language is too small to be represented have been put into a single group marked with the symbol "*".

maybe India is covered in that?

Faheem Mitha

@MattE.Эллен Dunno. Maybe. I don't know how they would calculate such a number, anyway. There is no mechanism I know of for English speakers in India to self-identify as "native" speakers.

Damkerng T.

4:27 PM

I think it depends on how the infographic maker draws the lines.

Matt E. Эллен

@FaheemMitha ah. that could be the problem then

Damkerng T.

I remember that I've read somewhere that there are about 2 million native speakers of Indian English.

Faheem Mitha

@DamkerngT. That sounds like a number someone made up.

Damkerng T.

nods -- I think it's another case of where they draw the line.

Faheem Mitha

How about other countries? How do they determine these numbers in general?

skill patrol

4:29 PM

Very fuzzy area.

Matt E. Эллен

@FaheemMitha It's from something called "Ethnologue-Languages of the World"

Faheem Mitha

@MattE.Эллен You are talking specifically about that chart I posted?

Matt E. Эллен

@FaheemMitha yes

Faheem Mitha

@MattE.Эллен ok

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Judging by the comments below the chart, there are many other potential problems with it besides the lack of India in the English category. So, maybe just ignore it?

But it's possible that Indian "native speakers" of English don't get counted because they have another native language that they get classified under instead.

Matt E. Эллен

4:38 PM

weirdly, "Ethnologue-Languages of the World" states that India has 350K English speakers (I assume that's native), so I don't know why it didn't get its own spot. ethnologue.com/country/IN/languages

also, 200,000,000 English learners

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 agreed, it seems the maker wasn't paying enough attention to the data

Faheem Mitha

@MattE.Эллен I wonder how it came up with that number.

Also, assuming extensive and precise data (which I'm sure is not available) you'd still need a good definition of "native" speaker.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, that goes back to the definition of "native". Is it possible to have multiple native languages?

Matt E. Эллен

@FaheemMitha It says it's from something by David Crystal, written in 2003.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@FaheemMitha yes.

Matt E. Эллен

> Crystal, D. 2003. English as a global language. 2nd edition. Cambridge and New York: Cambridge University Press.

Faheem Mitha

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ok. Using what definition? "someone who learns the language from their family and peers, not in a taught setting, as a child."?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

4:48 PM

@FaheemMitha Yeah, essentially. If you grow up in a bilingual area you could be natively bilingual. But I have to run, ttyl.

Matt E. Эллен

CU

Faheem Mitha

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ok, thank you.

No idea why they insist on calling India developing. Who are they kidding?

skill patrol

Later pal

@MattE.Эллен by that definition natively trilingual, quardralingual etc. are possible?

As long as you're not taught the language formally in school.

As a child, of course :)

Faheem Mitha

As a child, I think I mostly learned English by reading.

At the time, the net wasn't available.

When I later lived in the UK, there was merriment over the fact that I didn't know how to pronounce certain words, because I had never heard them spoken.

skill patrol

I think "native-ness" requires a large spoken "command."

Hence the merriment :-)

Faheem Mitha

5:00 PM

Probably.

skill patrol

You should not sound foreign

Faheem Mitha

To be clear, these are words that I had only seen written, not spoken.

@skillpatrol That's more debatable. What is "foreign"?

skill patrol