English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

@WillHunting Yeah. I know how it is. If someone were to ask me, I'd be really excited that they even bothered to inquire... but then I'd really have nothing to say. "Not much"

George Pompidou

Freitag gehe ich nach Nürnberg und in drei Woche gehe ich in die Niederlande

Niederländische Leute sind so freundlich! ^.^

Mitch

6:08 PM

And the German they speak is so much more refined than in Bavaria

George Pompidou

hehehe

tchrist

6:21 PM

@Cerberus Obamacare merely requires that all have some form insurance,w/includes minimum levels of provided care. Those minima are still punitive, as I’m betting this incident shall prove. Suppose it’s th a70/30 plan w/o max out of pocket. Call it $4k/ICU day, plus perhaps $15k per skin graft. There will be a lot of other changes, but at 30% of $70k is $21k. A 30k annual salary has about that for take home. How long would it take you to pay off a bill equal to your annual salary?

Surely at least 5 and probably 10 years. During which time you will incur interest, lengthening it.

And you will be miserable about it for all that time as your life's choices are boxed in around you and you become essentially an indentured servant.

George Pompidou

if I made such a small amount of money I would just give up and go live in the woods with the nice woodlands fauna.

tchrist

That would not be allowed.

You would be sent to debtor's prison.

Rocks are hard.

George Pompidou

how would they find me in the woods?

Cerberus

@Mitch Yes, IS conquered it.

tchrist

Drones.

George Pompidou

6:24 PM

also, man, the big forest animals would protect me.

because they will be my friends.

tchrist

they would eat you

Mitch

They'd like you so much

George Pompidou

nooooo. friends don't eat friends!

Cerberus

@Mitch Meh it's still fairly similar.

Mitch

@Cerberus Oh. So that's how well informed I am.

@GeorgePompidou not all at once at least

Cerberus

6:25 PM

@GeorgePompidou Wo in den Niederländen?

George Pompidou

@Cerberus erst gehe ich nach Amsterdam um die Koninkliijkliikiiiijjlijk Concertgebaeououworkest zu sehen

Mitch

nicht zu hoeren?

Cerberus

@tchrist Why don't they have cheap plans that cover 100% of everything?

George Pompidou

darüber freue ich mich am meisten

^.^

tchrist

@Cerberus hahahhahahahahah

George Pompidou

6:27 PM

und ich gehe auch ein Tag in Den Haag

Cerberus

@GeorgePompidou Vielleicht sehe ich dich dann dort.

George Pompidou

wohnst du in Amsterdam?

Cerberus

Ja.

Mitch

Cerb can see everything in the Netherlands from his house.

tchrist

@Cerberus Economics. Something for nuthin and yer chix for free.

George Pompidou

6:28 PM

oh! ^.^

Mitch

except for the back of his house. That's his Achilles heel

Cerberus

@Mitch Everything up to several meters into the next alley.

@tchrist He should apply for a visum and move here!

Flee his debts, too.

Mitch

plans ninja attack against Cerb's com center

forces deployed

Cerberus

My comm center is a window.

George Pompidou

es ist da so schön in Amsterdam. wenn ich Nederländisch spräche, würde ich am liebsten da wohnen!

Cerberus

6:29 PM

Wilkommen!

tchrist

@Cerberus Do you know happens to people who wait 10 months for skin grafts after major fire damage?

Mitch

forces stopped by mom in bicycle with baby strapped to her chest

Cerberus

@GeorgePompidou I will wave at you if I see a hippo in the audience.

Mitch

she scolds them about not bringing an umbrella

forces return to base

George Pompidou

aber mein letzter mal in Amsterdam war vor viele Jahre. ich erinnere mich nicht viel

tchrist

6:30 PM

@Mitch wetsuit

Mitch

@tchrist that's way to late

Cerberus

@tchrist He should flee from his debt and have the rest of whatever needs to be done done here.

George Pompidou

@Cerberus I'm going on May 15th to the Mozart concerto and Schubert symphony

I'm so excited! it's the best orchestra in the world.

Mitch

@tchrist This is a stealth operation. you can't wear a wetsuit and capri pants. They clash

Cerberus

@Mitch Are you sure that wasn't a hooker with a lump of bank notes?

tchrist

6:31 PM

@Cerberus And become an international criminal put on America's no fly list to be immediately arrested and extradited upon identification?

Mitch

@Cerberus You're tempting me right? OK the only possible response to that is...

Cerberus

@GeorgePompidou Yay! Although to be honest I always find those rankings a bit silly. Top class, sure. But is it really "measurably" better than the Wiener Philharmoniker?

Mitch

What, those are different in the Netherlands?

George Pompidou

@Cerberus yes, you're right. I guess a better point to say is it's the only "great" orchestra which I haven't seen yet.

Cerberus

Babies are not legal tender here.

George Pompidou

6:33 PM

do you see them frequently?

Cerberus

Somewhat frequently.

But I probably usually see other orchestras in the Concertgebouw.

Mitch

@tchrist I have this weird feeling that in the US hospital debt does not affect your credit rating or is 'acted' on.

Or is that just the emergency room?

Cerberus

@tchrist I doubt that will happen if you don't fly back there?

Mitch

@Cerberus But they are tender. You failed to say anything about the mom.

Cerberus

She's hot.

Mitch

6:35 PM

Nice.

Cerberus

But imported from Eastern Europe or Latin America.

Mitch

umbrellas procured. missions is now a 'go'

Gigili

Hi Mitch

Mitch

team approaching back alley

George Pompidou

I intend to see more, but the cool thing is Amsterdam is a 3 hour direct train ride from me, which is super convenient. costs 40 euro for first class.

Mitch

6:36 PM

@Gigili Hey! how's it going?

Gigili

Fine, thank you.

Alles in ordnung?

Mitch

I'm coordinating a ninja strike mission on Cerb's apartment. He won't be able to see it coming.

@Gigili Alles gut. und Sie?

Gigili

ja, und Sie.

danke und tschau

bis morgen

George Pompidou

tschüs

Mitch

ninja's curiously stop in alley

@Gigili spaeter

that was a quick visit

Gigili

6:38 PM

@Mitch fire

Mitch

_what is that smell _

Gigili

@Mitch Yeah, I am awesome like that

Mitch

Cheese!

abort mission

Wait...it depends on the cheese. I mean really, people make fun of Limburger, but it's way milder than Roquefort or Gorgonzola.

@Gigili Awesome!

Gigili

@Mitch Do you use whitening?

Mitch

@Gigili Are you going to go to any soccer games?

Gigili

6:40 PM

Such a bright smile

Mitch

@Gigili I don't know what that is!

oh teeth whitener?

Gigili

@Mitch Tomorrow night, probably

Mitch

@Gigili nice!

Do you get off Fridays?

George Pompidou

ah, I forgot, that I must a dry cleaner find.

weißt jemand wie dry cleaner heißt auf Deutsch?

Mitch

I know. I don't trust the wet ones either

George Pompidou

6:43 PM

I guess not dry. I just need someone to wash and press my shirts.

Mitch

Just cleaners (translated) is probably good enough

George Pompidou

and I usually do that at the dry cleaners

Mitch

it's not exactly dry. all the chemicals are liquids

Cerberus

In Dutch, it is stomerij.

George Pompidou

it's definitely not dry. they wash them in a standard waschmachine

Cerberus

6:44 PM

"Steamery".

Mitch

what is 'clean'? "sahn"?

Cerberus

Sauber.

George Pompidou

it's the shirt washing and pressing I'm looking for in particular

Mitch

So ein Sauberei?

George Pompidou

that's also clean in German. and a used to be pretty cool F1 team.

I think it's Reinigung.

Mitch

6:44 PM

That sounds better

Cerberus

Reinigung sounds good.

George Pompidou

maybe should I my german neighbor ask.

Cerberus

Rust, reinheid, regelmaat!

Mitch

google translate say Reinigungen, so that's something.

Cerberus

Maybe should you it your neighbour ask.

George Pompidou

6:46 PM

I wish google translate had Schwitzertüütsch

Mitch

@GeorgePompidou Yeah, but how do you ask? You'd have to explain things, and that's the worst.

George Pompidou

I really like it.

Mitch

@GeorgePompidou They have Latin. Does that count?

George Pompidou

no he speaks such great english, heh.

gah, they have Latin and not Schwitzertüütsch?

Mitch

@GeorgePompidou They don't have scots English, which arguably has more speakers.

George Pompidou

6:48 PM

I mean, arguably so does Moldovan Romanian

Mitch

wait Schyzertutsch is like really bad Bavarian, right?

George Pompidou

but that would be really silly.

to me it sounds more like Dutch or something

Mitch

Yes, We'd just be having arguments all day and that just wouldn't do.

George Pompidou

it's really clunky weird German

Mitch

Just ask a real person

Or better...buy new shirts

George Pompidou

6:49 PM

grützi abend!

Mitch

but then you'd have to ask someone at the store where the 'shirts' are.

and we're back to square one.

George Pompidou

I can speak a reasonable amount of german to get around.

I was actually proud of myself… my first day in Germany I get on the train from Frankfurt to here, and an old lady asks me if I know this is first class and what am I doing here

which is nuts… I assume I may look a bit too semitic for her taste or something

so I was able to give her some attitude and ask if maybe in Germany old ladies are tasked with checking tickets rather than conductors.

^.^

Mitch

she was asking you politely to leave?

George Pompidou

basically

then she asked if I have a first class ticket.

Mitch

old german ladies. man...so entitled.

George Pompidou

6:52 PM

word!

Mitch

so did you leave?

George Pompidou

no I took my place in sitzplatz 12

and put on my headphones and that was the end of that.

Mitch

But they do warrant some respect since they're old and ladies.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mitch Yeah that old German ladies man. What a douche he is

Mitch

Really, she just wanted the cabin to herself.

George Pompidou

6:54 PM

not if they're… racist? I still can't wrap my mind around what made her think I don't belong there

I dress shockingly well and am very handsome

Mitch

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 that guy, his brother is the most interesting man in the world.

George Pompidou

it must have been my big nose and curly hair.

Mitch

@GeorgePompidou Your youthful complexion and demeanor were clues to here that you might be a schwarzfahrer, not bothering to pay the full amount.

George Pompidou

hmm…

Mitch

also, a reminder of her own mortality, presumably much shorter than yours.

George Pompidou

6:56 PM

schwarzfahren on the intercity. I wonder how many do that.

Mitch

@GeorgePompidou um... all the time... by the youth... I've heard.

Oh on the trains? well yeah, moving up to first class.

you'll buy a cheaper ticket then hang out in the cabins.

Cerberus

@GeorgePompidou Picture of you as you would dress for 1st class?

By the way, did you have a ticket for the 1st class?

George Pompidou

I dress for the day man, not for the train class in which I'm riding

and yes of course I did

Cerberus

So picture.

George Pompidou

I'm no schwarzfahrer, and I don't know anyone my age who would schwarzfahr

Cerberus

6:58 PM

I have switched to 1st class on days when 2nd class was crammed.

Mitch

Kids these days. No sense of propriety. Or appropriate dress.

Cerberus

Tons of people do so here.

George Pompidou

looks for a picture of me dressed for the day

Mitch

Didn't you hear what happened to the ninjas? And that was a younger mom with a baby (or cash, depending)

Which day?

George Pompidou

I don't really ever photograph myself.

Mitch

7:01 PM

See she was envious, having scrounged for years, denying herself luxuries, that now in her retirement she can indulge every so often in the privilege of a first class ticket.

George Pompidou

well, I did today with a bottle of Schwip Schwap to demonstrate to my girlfriend how delighted I was with this beverage. but that doesn't have much of my outfit in it.

Mitch

@GeorgePompidou prove it. pix please. We need photographic proof of that rarity

George Pompidou

just sweater and coat.

Mitch

tie?

George Pompidou

no. but the sweater is hugo boss.

and my trenchcoat is quite tasteful.

Mitch

7:02 PM

That means nothing to me, whether your supervisor at work gives you clothes to wear or not.

George Pompidou

why would one's supervisor have business giving their employee clothing?

Mitch

OK... the puns are not coming out right.

Cerberus

Haha.

Mitch

@GeorgePompidou ok back in business... I told you that means nothing to me!

Cerberus

I only got your pun when you said there was one.

George Pompidou

7:04 PM

I still haven't.

vielleicht bin ich nicht so klug.

Mitch

Anyway...yeah the od lady was uptight, but it was because of your youth. If you asked here, she probably was sincerely looking out for you, and didn't want you to be caught (assuming that you were schwarzfahring)

@Cerberus I know. That means it is a bad pun. also it's a bad pun if it's too obvious. a fine line

@GeorgePompidou you said you sweater is from hugo boss. I don't know these fashion things.

George Pompidou

huh.

oh! haha

I suppose it's better than what I thought initially.

that is, her thinking that I'm from the east or some other place.

Mitch

which reminds me of a joke (reminded by 'friends eating friends')...

@GeorgePompidou I can't remember... are you from the US but parents slavic?

George Pompidou

@Mitch I don't want to believe that because if it's true then I was really kind of a sarcastic prick to her in my attempted response—and that is then unwarranted.

parents Romanian. not slavic.

Mitch

@GeorgePompidou well... she was still being prejudiced for whatever reason. and also, she did probably want the cabin to herself.

@GeorgePompidou oops. Balkan then?

but what was the point of that, I can't remember.

oh I know.

George Pompidou

7:10 PM

I might look a little… ashkenazi? I dunno.

Mitch

Have you been to England or France?

George Pompidou

yes.

well, if you meant exclusive or, then no

Mitch

I'd actually expect worse there.

well... it's difficult

difficult to say. depends on looks and age etc.

George Pompidou

the type of or you intended?

oh

Mitch

obviously inclusive.

George Pompidou

7:14 PM

orders food from lieferheld

I do not understand what is difficult

Will Hunting

@Cerberus Have there been any problems with XP so far after its end of life? I am interested to know.

George Pompidou

are you still torn on which operating system to use?

Will Hunting

Now I am just interested in what I asked. But I am still using Linux.

Are you in Germany now?

Mitch

@GeorgePompidou OK now the joke I promised.

just a link:mendosa.com/pig.html

I find it hilarious because...

Well, I bet like you I don't particularly get it.

But the fact that other people think it's funny, for that particular joke, that I find really funny.

tchrist

-1

Q: Which is grammatically correct, "self-employed" or "self Employed"?

Self-employed farmer Belle Vue. (Belle Vue (Community name) is a proper none)

orthography

0

Q: Is it grammatically incorrect to split two separate items as adj1, or adj2, noun? For example: adj1, or adj2, n = adj1 n and adj2 n

I'm writing some content and a coworker stated that the following was incorrect: You have the option to use the red, or green, ball. or should I be saying: You have the option to use the red ball or the green ball. Is there one that is more grammatically correct than the other?

grammar nouns punctuation

Ok @Rob, I’m nearly ready to pull the GRAMMA CORRECT trigger.

Will Hunting

7:23 PM

@Mitch I get it. It is very simple.

tchrist

0

Q: Is there a correct abbreviation for "Interest" or "Interested"?

According to AllAcronyms.com, an acceptable abbreviation for "Interest" is "Int." Yet I am unsure that this is correct. What is the correct abbreviation for "Interested" and conversely "Not Interested"?

abbreviations business-language

Will Hunting

@Mitch If I can get, so can you.

Cerberus

@WillHunting Hmm problems, like which?

Will Hunting

@Cerberus Virus?

Cerberus

Why would there be any problems?

No?

Will Hunting

7:24 PM

@Cerberus No more security updates?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@WillHunting Cerb doesn't install updates

Cerberus

The last time I updated my Windows was years before Microsoft stopped making security updates for XP.

tchrist

0

Q: Which one is correct: "You've got no life of/for" your own?

"Let's face facts here. You took care of your parents for so long, you've got no life of your own." "Let's face facts here. You took care of your parents for so long, you've got no life for your own." Thanks a lot.

prepositions

-1

Q: Which one is correct?

I wrote this but I'm not sure if it's correct:

grammar present-perfect-tense

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

his Windows has been unsupported since he bought it

Cerberus

I never bought it.

Will Hunting

7:25 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Anyway, I really miss Kit. I hope she returns to the Hotel soon.

Cerberus

It came from some old CD.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@WillHunting she's probably just busy

Will Hunting

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 OK. She is like my daily dose of inspiration.

Cerberus

My browser is well protected, and I don't install random crap.

tchrist

0

Q: I`m just curious about how to speak "anti-" is correct?

I`m just curious about how to speak "anti-" is correct? it`s like ant/ai/ or ant/i/??

pronunciation prefixes

That's on the front page.

Today.

Cerberus

7:26 PM

I install many programmes, but I throw them at Virus Total / Jotti Q first.

tchrist

BAN

Will Hunting

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But like you said, the magic was in me all along.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Wow.

Cerberus

I also use Office 2003.

Which was last updated ten years ago, probably.

I don't care for ribba.

Will Hunting

@Cerberus I am thinking of doing the same in future. I will get one final copy of Windows and Office and use them for life.

Cerberus

Sure, why not?

Will Hunting

7:28 PM

@Cerberus I totally regret wiping out my hard drive with Linux. Linux sucks, don't try it.

Cerberus

But you have to be a responsible user with a well protected browser, otherwise it would be irresponsible to do what I do.

You wiped out your hard drive?

Will Hunting

@Cerberus Yes, no more Windows on it.

Cerberus

We have Linux at work, and I have to say I don't enjoy working on it, if only because it is Different From What I Am Used To, even though I greatly support the idea.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus because if you want anything new you will eventually not be able to make it work on your computer. e.g. no browsers support Windows 2000 and most don't support XP.

Will Hunting

By the way, does Adobe Reader currently have the "previous view" button?

Cerberus

7:30 PM

@WillHunting Well, then make a clone of your current Linux, then install Windows 7, see how you like it. If you don't have a copy lying around, order an OEM CD from Ebay for €25.

You should not use Adobe Reader. Use Sumatra or something like that instead.

Will Hunting

Adobe Reader is the best.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Well, sure, there are limits. But 15 years on XP is doable.

Let's hope 15 years on Windows 7 is also possible.

@WillHunting I heard it is slow, and vulnerable to viruses. I haven't used it since...2000?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus nah, 15 years is too long.

there is already new hardware that won't work on XP and lots of software that won't.

Robusto

@tchrist If you have such a trigger, my advice would be to FIRE AWAY!

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 15 years ago was almost prehistory as far as operating systems are concerned.

I think IE 4 was still the dominant browser, duking it out with Netscape 3.7.2 or whatever.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto IE 5 at least

Robusto

7:40 PM

Windows 2000 was what all the cool devs developed on.

Linux I don't think had been invented, had it?

No, I'm wrong about that.

But 2000 was closer to the release of the internet than it is to us, by a factor of two.

Apple was selling for $12 a share, ready to be broken up and sold.

The World Trade Center was still standing.

Iraq was still intact.

Bush had not yet had the election stolen for him.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But still plenty that does. You don't need the latest hardware.

XP is from 2001.

I'm sure I can continue to use XP and my current computer for another year.

I probably will, since I lack money.

And I can continue to do all the things I normally do.

So far, I have only once or twice encountered a programme that I wanted but couldn't install.

And I have been using Office 2003 since forever. Never have I seen any function I really wanted to use in newer versions. Perhaps there are such functions, but they are apparently not very well known or prominent. Conversely, I curse the ribbon we have on the work laptop.

There is hardly any space left to read the actual document.

Especially in Excel, it's absolutely horrible.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto Linux is from 1992

Cerberus

7:56 PM

By the way, I am using XP SP3, which is fairly recent.

George Pompidou

the middle ages isn't recent Cerberus

Cerberus

Sure they are.

That's only 500 years ago, which is not so long ago in human history.

The thousands of years before were...longer.

Mitch

9:18 PM

@WillHunting I get it in the sense that it is funny that people, even if they like and respect the pig almost like a hero, he's still mostly considered food. But I would think even if they wanted to eat him, they'd still just slaughter him whole instead of little by little. So it doesn't directly make me laugh.

But the fact that it is a funny joke to others, that I find hilarious. like cannibalism jokes. Like the far side comic about the chickens at the dinner table, "Eat your soup, it's good for you. Besides, it's no one we know"

George Pompidou

10:38 PM

fucking communist Wohngemeinschaft

they make me clean up sometimes >.<

whines

Robusto

3 hours ago, by Robusto

No, I'm wrong about that.

George Pompidou

11:09 PM

heh. that's a funny group of lines.

George Pompidou