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@Cerberus Many people were out walking, running, and biking today. Some were also snow-shoeing or cross-country skiing.
But the latter set were mostly up higher.
@SanathDevalapurkar I am afraid I don't know that problem domain well enough to suggest a name.
@tchrist Speed and capacity of the roads for bikers and pedestrians will be compromised.
@Cerberus But surely this is true irrespective of the mode of terrestrial conveyance. And you really need to tell the children to stop walking down the middle of the pavement and stick to the sidewalks instead, lest bloody tragedy ensue.
Which is why I said what I said.
I don't get why people who have to go places like snow.
I like it when have nothing to do, at my parents' house.
It's also easier on cars.
Beauty.
Because they are stabler.
And because their lanes are more likely to be well cleaned.
00:15
Our bike lanes are just as plowed as our motor lanes. If they adjoin, the same plow takes them. If they are their own thoroughfares, an alternate device is used such as one would clear the sidewalks with. Only dirt trails are left to their own fate.
Is it not the same there?
But I don't recommend biking during a blizzard, since visibility is so poor.
It is lovely though, a wonder to behold.
But lay down a fresh cubit of new snow, and serenity shall blanket the pedestrian world.
> Whose woods these are I think I know.
His house is in the village though;
He will not see me stopping here
To watch his woods fill up with snow.

My little horse must think it queer
To stop without a farmhouse near
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year.

He gives his harness bells a shake
To ask if there is some mistake.
The only other sound’s the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
00:35
@TRiG I know. But we were being nihilist before about 'change comes from within' and stuff. I was following a theme.
@tchrist They make a straight line.
Those two points though? I don't see the direction.
@Cerberus Snow is the best when you're inside looking out at it.
@SanathDevalapurkar math vocabulary is all made up. the names from one generalization to the next hardly ever make sense. ring - integral domain - euclidean domain - field? vector space - inner product space - hilbert space?
that is, n-trivial is as good as marked or scaled. If you want something metaphorical, just make something up (maybe that's exactly what you're asking us for help with). Do you get any interesting properties going from scaled to n-trivial?
oh another terrible metaphor: sheaves, bundles. even 'manifold'. they're only slightly better than people's names.
user105491
01:06
@Mitch Yeah, of course, that's true. I can list countless examples that follow that, I was just wondering if this could be an exception (because I do know of some exceptions, not from the top of my head though). Thanks anyway!
02:19
> You can now read 71.6% of all real Spanish text
02:35
@tchrist I don't think we have any ploughing.
Just salt.
And not on many bike lanes.
Probably because it is not absolutely necessary.
Biking over a bit of snow is just very annoying, but not impossible.
@Mitch Just like...rain!
03:00
@Cerberus I was thinking the same thing. But then snow looks better than rain anytime, inside or out.
I dunno, snow looks to me like white death.
better than black death
Spring Snow (春の雪, Haru no Yuki) is a novel by Yukio Mishima, the first in his Sea of Fertility tetralogy. It was published serially in Shinchō from 1965 to 1967, and then in book form in 1969. Mishima did extensive research, including visits to Enshō-ji in Nara, to prepare for the novel. == Plot == The novel is set in the early years of the Taishō period, and is about the relationship between Kiyoaki Matsugae, the son of a rising nouveau-riche family, and Satoko Ayakura, the daughter of an aristocratic family fallen on hard times. Shigekuni Honda, a schoolfriend of Kiyoaki's, is the main witness...
DOn't tell me, they all die at the end.
@Mitch It's Mishima, so . . .
03:02
Yeah, like the French, the ones who die are better off.
03:18
@Cerberus INCONCEIVABLE!
Not really.
Perhaps they would plough everything if otherwise cycling weren't possible at all.
@Cerberus Even snowfalls of one or two become challenging for bikers. Of course we pluff!
Well, challenging, you just have to be more careful.
And your shoes get dirty.
You've made a measurement error.
As long as you go slowly in curves and at crossroads, you can cycle on any surface.
It is easier than walking.
Stabler.
03:23
Remember; In Colorado, we measure snowfall in feet, not barleycorns. Best of luck biking on one or two unpluffed.
Unless you are an elf, perhaps.
49 mins ago, by Cerberus
@tchrist I don't think we have any ploughing.
03:50
> It said that Tesla "will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use our technology." That "in good faith" claim had a few scratching their heads, and pointing out that still gave Tesla an out.
"...pointing out that still gave Tesla an out": is this a typo or a sports term?
Neither.
The sports term would be striking out. This is a way out.
In other words, a loophole. A way to get out of their commitment.
I've been regaled with pizza and whiskey.
Did you have a good birthday? Why are you still up?
@Cerberus gnip
04:17
In my online experience, it seems to me that people who identify as women tend to be very sensitive toward rudeness, whereas people who identify as men are willing or are able to tolerate contention to some extent and not interpret it as rudeness.
That's a rather rude thing to say.
@tchrist How so?
It's sexist bigotry.
@tchrist In the sense that men are better than women or women better than men?
It's a statement that invites ridicule.
But perhaps you are a young child and so know no better than to play the troll.
04:21
Never mind. I think some things shouldn't be said at all.
Too bad you didn't realize that a bit earlier, eh? ;)
I was merely expressing what I experienced. I did not intend to invite ridicule or play the troll. :P
I've seen men and women make generalizations all the time.
Which one are you then?
Yes, many generalizations are either wrong or oversimplified, but the expression itself may be considered a mere hypothesis.
I am open to discrediting myths.
Everybody's different.
04:28
In real life, I was in a classroom, and I could hear a girl whispering to another girl, "Oh, ____ is so rude," whenever I quickly borrowed someone's eraser on the table right next to me and quickly put it back. I guess I should have asked, but I couldn't believe how some people are so picky about manners.
We all have our own built-in expectations of what is appropriate when we come online, don't you think so?
Some people, men and women, but mostly women in my experience, are extremely observant when it comes to manners and social graces.
I can but ponder your age and ethnicity and experience.
So, I learned how to deal with them: assume everyone is extremely observant. It never hurts to act "like a normal person". This usually means copying what others do, so you don't stand out.
Ah, Asian.
04:34
@tchrist Huh?
Add emotica to everything I say.
@tchrist Eh?
Quaerendo invenietis.
@tchrist The inscription Quaerendo invenietis, found over Canon No. 9, alludes to the Sermon on the Mount ("Seek and ye shall find", Matthew 7:7, Luke 11:9).
That is so random.
On a lighter discussion, I recently saw the verse "seek and ye shall find" on a website that was essentially about evangelizing college student unbelievers.
Not random, but its antithesis.
04:44
@tchrist What is "its"?
looks for an interpreter
I have met one person in the past who always loved to use idioms. Half the time, I didn't know what she was saying!
I tried to flip through a phrasebook on the Internet, but that didn't help much when it came to context.
In some instances, my lack of understanding of some idioms can be beneficial. I don't know when a person has insulted or criticized me!
Wisdom comes not from Internet phrasebooks, but from experience, and experience from error.
Idiom != Proverb
@tchrist So, is that the original or is that the antithesis?
What is the antithesis of random?
04:50
Planned.
@tchrist Non-random.
Planning is a form of non-randomness.
Anti-random :-)
Unfree = deliberate.
Deliberate = Intentionally
And thus?
04:55
@tchrist It's funny how the world works. On one hand, mistakes are discouraged. On the other hand, mistakes are necessary in order to improve ourselves.
Are we assuming transitivity?
For wisdom, yes.
The fact seems paradoxical.
We learn from our mistakes
One can hardly expect to learn from another's.
04:58
You would think that in a perfect world, everyone would be free from making mistakes, because everyone would be perfect. Nope. Ain't happening. Because then you'd wonder how in the world are you going to learn?
Define perfect.
@tchrist having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be.
@tchrist absolute; complete (used for emphasis).
First define "learn".
@infinitesimal Learning is the act of acquiring new, or modifying and reinforcing, existing knowledge, behaviors, skills, values, or preferences.
Delphi's doors are closing.
05:01
Put your foot in the door.
γνῶθι σεαυτόν, Tom adiosed gnomically.
Skull wishes to say metaphorically.
 
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Science in the making.
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Q: Two severe cyclones connected by a monsoonal trough

Sabre ToothAt the time of writing, areas around the Northern Territory (TC Lam) and Queensland (TC Marcia) in Australia are in the path of severe cyclones (category 4 at the moment, with the Queensland one - TC Marcia predicted to reach category 5 - Category scales used for Australia and Fiji). These cyclo...

 
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12:05
Hi @matt.
Hi
I'm playing the candies game that Johan posted :D it's very silly
user116848
12:44
Hi
@MattE.Эллен I am still really bad. I hope I have a breakthrough soon.
user116848
Like a miracle?
Maybe. You stopped changing your picture.
user116848
Yes, I did. I like this one.
user116848
I'll change it though :-)
user116848
12:48
I was thinking about changing my name back to Arrowfar.
user116848
It is very boring here today.
@ABeautifulMind I hope so too
user116848
Hi matty.
@tchrist I actually meant the first part of the phrase.
> "...pointing out that still gave Tesla an out"
But I see it now: "...pointing out [that] that still gave Tesla an out"
I had drinks with a friend.
When was your birthday again?
user116848
12:53
Mine is in October. I don't celebrate it though.
user116848
I used to :-)
@Cerberus in Kuala Lumpur?
@MattE.Эллен Kuala Lumpur? I barely knew her!
@Mitch brims hot
@MattE.Эллен That would be difficult, I being in Amsterdam.
13:07
@Cerberus good dribniks, anyway?
Who are they?
@MattE.Эллен me too. I just want to know how it's supposed to turn out.
Dribniks, from Drubni, in the Eastern Bloc
@Mitch yeah. it's weird
I liked the squirrel
I can't beat it at tic tac toe
13:11
It was tasty
@MattE.Эллен do two x's in the grid, then the last one outside.
literally thinking outside the box.
or x'ing outside the box
that was unexpected
13:46
> When you start talking about solving a problem this fundamental with tooling, you are saying something like:

> “The red cars won’t explode as long as you drive on these roads we specifically built for them. These roads are closed on wednesdays.”
13:58
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Q: What's a word that means success and rhymes with "max"?

user111137Writing a scientific poem and I'm stuck. I'm looking for a word that rhymes with "max" - this could be a loose rhyme, I'm not too picky, and means something like success or ability to thrive.

How do I hate questions like this? Let me count the ways . . .
Dude, he's not too picky. Offer 'numbnuts '. It's a loose rhyme
I reject the notion that one can write a "scientific poem" and get "stuck" doing so. Did you publish your findings? Submit them to peer review? What was your methodology? What was your hypothesis?
14:28
@Mitch I need to find out what's in the box. I hope it's not Brad Pitt's wife's head
which is the more proper to use: 'en masse' or 'in mass'
thanks
Unless you actually mean "in mass" in some kind of physics context or something.
14:43
Just use neither if you are not sure.
use both at the same time if you're sure
And let's not forget massé if you're playing pool or billiards.
massé = pi * the speed of light squared.
You doubt me?
Yes. Without googling, I don't think masse means that.
14:54
Well, you're no fun.
Also, I said massé, not masse.
I don't think you googled massé.
Well, I did not google anything. Maybe you are right.
@MattE.Эллен ugh. but somebody else's head would be OK, right?
@Robusto whoa dude...where did the 'pi' come from? The universal coefficient is 1/sqrt(pi)
so long as it's not my head
15:00
@Mitch ok, sqrt
@MattE.Эллен what if it's your own... oh.
@ABeautifulMind einstein left out the coefficient. what an idiot.
@MattE.Эллен I'd guess it would make you angry, though. (Was that sin number 7?)
@AndrewLeach angry or dead :D
@MattE.Эллен Kit seems to be busy. She doesn't come to chat every day.
15:06
If I saw my own head in a box, I'd turn it over to look at the back to see how the barber did. It's really hard to do it with mirrors.
I starred a lot of things in this chat but since they usually have one star only, they get unstarred.
Should we do away with the policy of unstarring single star items after a day? Please star this.
there is no such policy that I am aware of
OK, I guess Kit felt it was appropriate to do so. It's alright, either way.
@ABeautifulMind resists urge to star exactly once
@Mitch I think you should star that.
15:11
@ABeautifulMind I can't star my own thing.
@Mitch Star what I said.
Like that?
@Mitch Not that.
How about that?
You are very naughty.
15:12
You realize of course that you're dealing with someone with the mind of a recalcitrant, intransigent (no I don't know what that means), petulant (not that either, something to do with petunias?), 11 year old.
what's the word I'm looking for?
Wow, you're old.
@Mitch Ah, now I know you have an identity disorder.
Impertinent.
0
Q: what does imperative mean as an adjective?

sivaI've just read a line "Many so-called “imperative” languages that followed (such as FORTRAN, BASIC, and C) were abstractions of assembly language". how do you perceive imperative?

GR
@Robusto Thanks, Mr. Mature.
15:13
You'll be in the sixth grade next year.
Victor John Mature (January 29, 1913 – August 4, 1999) was an American stage, film and television actor. == Early life == Mature was born in Louisville, Kentucky. His father, Marcello Gelindo Maturi, later Marcellus George Mature, was an Italian-speaking immigrant from the town Pinzolo, in the Italian part of the former County of Tyrol (now Trentino in Italy, at that time part of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire); he was a cutler. His mother, Clara P. (Ackley), was Kentucky-born and of Swiss heritage. An older brother, Marcellus Paul Mature, died at 11 in 1918 from osteomyelitis. Victor Mature was...
I wish I can go back to high school. Then I would not have gone mad.
@Mitch From what I can tell, he was neither mature nor victorious. False advertising!
@Robusto um... with my impertinence, I'm going to do 4th grade again. Until Im really good at it.
@Robusto His middle name was Dolores.
He had a painful childhood
!!rimshot
Well, according to your link his middle name was John, so he was some kind of commodore.
15:16
@ABeautifulMind Yeah, it's virtual reality body dysmorphism syndrome. My avatar thinks it is a guru.
@Robusto Admiral of the Fleet.
> You stumble upon a naked monkey wizard.
He needs to pop up to the poop deck.
@Mitch Nobody wants to be Admiral of the Slow.
Oct 1 '14 at 2:04, by Mitch
How do you say "Pop up to the poop deck" in Latin? What else do people use dictionaries for?
Better than pooping up to the pop deck.
15:18
@MattE.Эллен Wow...you're so lucky! I haven't done that!
@Mitch I can't beat it. it jumps over me
"anything's better than posh isolation"
maybe using teleport wuld help...
@MattE.Эллен where did you find it?
@Mitch How about Posh Spice?
15:20
@Mitch in the caves
@Mitch how far are you into the game?
0
Q: New Etymological Knowledge

Duane T. BentzIf a scholar or layperson, wanted to submit a discovery of the origin of some obscure word or phrase not previously known, what would be the criteria they should follow acceptable to the academic community? I have heard of what is referred to as 'peer reviews' as part of the process. Where and ho...

Move to Linguistics, perhaps?
Some mod? Looks at @MattE.Эллен.
No staring in this chat.
@Robusto a little in the sauce hollandaise
No sauciness in chat.
@MattE.Эллен i'm trying to battle the octopus king in the caves and I don't have enough health to stand it.
15:24
@Mitch ah, yeah. I had to figure out how to make health potions
@Robusto no sass in chat.
wait... it's all sass all the time.
@Robusto feels like a dupe to me...
@MattE.Эллен what? why don't they just tell you to do that!!
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A: What are the criteria to adopt new words into English?

Matt E. ЭлленFor a phrase to be adopted into a language, enough people have to start using it. There is no set of criteria beyond popularity. There is no way to force a phrase into someone's language at an individual level and to make sure it means what you want it to mean. Think of words and phrases as i...

hmmm. maybe not
OK. I'll migrate it
@Mitch it's an adevnture game! you have to figure these things out
have you got the couldron yet?
also, you don't have to fight the octopus or the monkey, just walk past them
What game are you playing?
15:27
17 hours ago, by Johan Larsson
http://candybox2.net/
@MattE.Эллен I thought that was what you did for a living. Or something.
@AndrewLeach something like that, but also very vry different
Someone entertain me. I just handed in my notice and now I'm bored until I start my new job.
Also, my next video game won't be available until midnight.
What, no one-boxing for metacritic reviews?
I'm having a sale on pronouns. Anybody want them?
15:46
Thanks, but the person called Andrew has no need of any of the pronouns offered by Robusto.
On the other hand...
@AndrewLeach The person called Andrew is doomed.
To be precise, the person called Andrew Leach who is a moderator on English Language and Usage StackExchange site.
Well, when I run out of pronouns I'll come to you to get some. My stock is diminishing.
You just used up some of your valuable pronouns.
16:02
we've been asked if we can reduce the resolution of the animated gifs in the following answer.
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A: Near, near to and nearby. What's the difference?

Wolfpack'08I've been considering this for a while, now. Here's what my thoughts are: Near Near is a good option when you're considering geographical proximity of two stated locations. If you're literally saying "A is ___ B", it feels most natural to use "near" rather than "near to", "nearby to", or "nea...

seems like none of the mods can do it, so I throw it out to you
@MattE.Эллен Done.
np. Gimp2 + 5 minutes.
16:31
> You can now read 72.1% of all real Spanish text
17:17
@MattE.Эллен I know your supposed to figure things out, but that's annoying I just want to know what to do. What do you mean, walk right by? That's an option?
Also these days I bet it's just as hard to do ascii art as it is to do real art. Just cut and paste images from the Internet.
18:09
@Cerberus
Are you there
I am his brother Orthus :-)
may i be of assistance?
:(
@ABeautifulMind did any of that make sense?
@Noah Hello.
Helloah Noah
18:22
@infinitesimal Yes.
@ABeautifulMind which part?
@infinitesimal All of it.
Happy New Year!
:D
@infinitesimal I don't really like Chinese New Year. I prefer New Year.
Hi
I have a question
could you please help me?
18:32
@ABeautifulMind They're all just another reason to celebrate living.
@infinitesimal I have struggled with my mental illness for so long that I have almost lost my sense of identity.
Is there any question on this site about the exact usage of words undergraduate and postgraduate degrees?
I can not find....
@EnthusiasticStudent What's so hard about these words?
Are these words used for people studying in bachelors and masters degrees, or for people who have finished their studies?
18:34
@infinitesimal I wish I was not mentally ill. I might have won the Fields medal by now.
What is the exact usage of these words
@EnthusiasticStudent An undergraduate degree is for people to get their bachelors. A postgraduate degree is for people who have gotten bachelors. Roughly speaking.
@ABeautifulMind wish for the best in the future also
@Robusto Ahh no.
18:36
@EnthusiasticStudent What is so hard to understand?
Go for the original. Rare Earth was a tribute band for The Temptations.
@infinitesimal Haha, I am too old for the Fields medal, but I can still win the Abel Prize, LOL.
Ever since Perelman refused the Fields it cheapened it for the rest of us.
Can it be written as: I have an undergraduate degree in some degree and a graduate degree in other degree? instead of I have a bachelors degree in some degree and a masters in another degree. I think the second sentence is correct...
I mean, who would want it now?
18:38
@Robusto He can refuse the medal, but he should have taken the money and given it to me at least.
@ABeautifulMind You can go for the Nobel too :-)
@EnthusiasticStudent You should write the second to be more explicit. Writing the first makes you sound stupid.
@ABeautifulMind You would have spent half of it on drink and women, and blown the rest.
@Robusto Nope. I would save most of it for living expenses for the rest of my life.
@ABeautifulMind There isn't much difference between theoretical Physics and Mathematics.
18:40
@ABeautifulMind Whoosh.
@infinitesimal I am not exactly interested in applied math. But who knows, maybe one day I will work with some differential equations.
@Robusto Geezis, I am always whooshed.
@infinitesimal Sounds like a physicist talking. We'll wait to hear from those purists known as mathematicians.
@Robusto They agree.
I never met a mathematician who didn't think his discipline was superior to physics, which, after all, involves real things.
At that level they are indistinguishable in some areas of study.
18:43
Einstein struggled with the math that he needed to describe his theories.
Seems that the Jews are very smart. Many great mathematicians are Jews.
@ABeautifulMind Thank you :)
@EnthusiasticStudent Welcome, I am a bachelor but not a master of my own mind.
The mind is a complex organ.
18:46
I wish I can reverse time and do things correctly. But I think I did my best. So I should not regret.
No regrets.
@ABeautifulMind But you answered my question as professional as a PhD holder. Thank you very much.
@EnthusiasticStudent I have, in some sense, a Permanent Head Damage.
semi-permanent
it ain't over yet
It's very painful to struggle every day like I have been doing for so long. It hurts my mum to see me like that too.
18:48
@ABeautifulMind So you have a PHD and answered my question like you have a PhD ;)
@EnthusiasticStudent If a miracle happens and I recover from my mental illness soon, I will do a PhD.
You should get better right in front of her and make her proud of you.
@ABeautifulMind I also hope you do a PhD... Wish you all my best. :)
@infinitesimal It's interesting that Nash mentioned 'miracle' in the documentary at the end, but I am not sure what he was referring to...
@ABeautifulMind Don't dwell on his problems, you need to concentrate on your own.
18:52
@infinitesimal I have been watching it over and over again. It makes me feel better.
@ABeautifulMind He was an Ivy League golden boy, right?
Arrogant, etc, etc,...
That's the stuff for movies.
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