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Jez
12:14 AM
yup
 
posted on February 26, 2014 by sgdi

A man who was writing a letter Thought that it might be better To call out quite shrill From the top of a hill So long as he wore a warm sweater

 
12:34 AM
@Cerb You may enjoy this. . . .
@WS2 Now that is an excellent question — and an unexpected mystery: “La palabra calabaza viene de una lengua que se hablaba en la península española antes de la incursión, dominio y extensión del latín por parte del Imperio Romano. ... ” The article goes on to probe possible origins, including Greek κολόκυνθα, and notes that Seneca himself used the Greek form in a title of his work regarding Claudius, calling it Apocolokyntosis (playing on apotheosis) conversion into a pumpkin: that is, a fool, a meaning the word retains unto this day. — tchrist 1 min ago
The Romans called it cucurbita, which just meant gourd in Latin, but which gave rise to the name of the genus, Cucurbita, and indeed not only to the entire family, Cucurbita, but even the order as well, the Cucurbitales. — tchrist 17 secs ago
Edited to Cucurbitaceae for the familiy.
 
@tchrist Ah, yes, I knew that!
 
That Claudius was a pumpkin?
 
Note also that Greek words on -(u?)nth- are often speculated to be of pre-Indo-European origin!
 
Oh.
 
@tchrist No, that kalebas was a strange word.
By the way, is bumpkin related to pumpkin?
 
12:45 AM
Dunno.
OMG
bumpkin /ˈbʌmpkɪn/. Forms: 6 bunkin, 7-8 bumkin, (7 bumking), 7- bumpkin.

Etymology: The curious gloss in the first quot. suggests that bunkin (presumably the same word) was a humorous appellation for a Dutchman, and meant a man with short stumpy figure. The word may be a. Dutch boomken ‘little tree’ (Hexham); cf. bumkin sb.[entry#1] It may however be ad. MDutch bommekijn ‘little barrel’, or f. bum sb.[entry#1] + -kin.

1 An awkward country fellow, a clown.

1570 Levins Manip. 133 - A Bunkin, felow, Batavus, strigo.
It began its days as a humorous appellation for a Dutchman!
 
Haha.
Funny, I had no idea.
In Dutch, you can say "een boom van een vent/kerel".
Vent/kerel is bloke, guy, chap, fellow.
 
Hey people :D Is it possible to see percentage of who spoke how much in chat? ex) user tchrist had spoke 10% of chats in here in this room
 
Kinda.
 
In a specific time frame? I don't think so.
 
You can see how many total messages a person has sent.
 
12:48 AM
eh.. could you point me to where? from here maybe? rooms/info/95/english-language-usage chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/info/95/english-language-usage
 
A boom can be a kind of pole, right?
Presumably related to Dutch boom and English beam?
Because in Dutch it can be a tree or a pole.
 
@RegDwigнt Of course! I remember now. It was so perfect that I had convinced myself it was just a dream.
@Cerberus Yes, usually a horizontal pole that can swing.
 
Right.
 
merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream...
 
Just like in Dutch.
I associate the word with boats both in English and in Dutch.
 
Jez
12:54 AM
RMS is a blast
> I generally do not connect to web sites from my own machine, aside from a few sites I have some special relationship with. I fetch web pages from other sites by sending mail to a program (see git://git.gnu.org/womb/hacks.git) that fetches them, much like wget, and then mails them back to me. Then I look at them using a web browser, unless it is easy to see the text in the HTML page directly.
> I usually try lynx first, then a graphical browser if the page needs it (but I make sure I have no net connection, so that it won't fetch anything else).
 
@BlueBug Yes. The grey number in the bottom right of a user's box is the total of messages. The grey number in the bottom right of the room box is the number of total messages the room contains. I don't think you can narrow by timeframe, though if you select a specific section of transcript as a conversation, it will give you those stats.
 
@Jez Umm that is hardly convenient.
 
Jez
i know i dunno why he doesn't use an http proxy server
 
@RegDwigнt They turned orange for me yesterday.
 
Jez
it's also curious that he claims only to know basic HTML
you'd think he could pick up something relatively simple like that as he coded a bunch of GNU tools
 
12:59 AM
@KitFox I can select different time in the transcript and it gives me stats on total collective messages spoken at the time. I suppose there is no way to specify these data by individual? how much of it had been spoke by someone? Alas, there goes my curiosity ;_;
 
@Jez You should take Richard’s notion of “basic” with a grain of salt. Like for example, he might not know CSS but know the rest.
 
@BlueBug Well, if you look at the users 'frequently in room', it lists their total messages in that room in the bottom right corner of their box.
 
Furthermore, if Richard doesn’t know something, it is merely because he has chosen not to know it.
 
Jez
@tchrist looking at his site's HTML, I'd say he doesn't know much of the rest either :-P
 
Heh.
 
Jez
1:02 AM
unclosed <p> tags
 
Also, if you select the chat user's profile...underwear model, eh?...you can see the rooms they've been in and how many messages they've posted in those rooms.
 
Oh, that’s normal.
It’s how we used to do it.
I don’t close my <p> tags either.
Waste of typing.
 
So I can tell you have posted 3 messages in EL&U ever, @BlueBug.
 
@KitFox Perhaps I have another stalker. :)
 
And most of your messages are in Game Dev.
@tchrist Perhaps.
 
1:04 AM
woo ha, there. You are crossing the line. Me needs some privacy. I can see your conversation here. chat.stackexchange.com/users/15060/kitfox?tab=conversations but I couldn't find my own. It says I need 100 rep. How did you find that out? Dont you need me to have 100 rep to see me?
 
I know Richard. Personally. I have interacted with him face to face dozens of times, and perhaps more.
He can be extremely difficult. Ask the airlines. :)
But he is also a MacArthur Fellow.
 
@BlueBug Well, then don't post things publicly.
 
Jez
@tchrist yeah it's how i used to do it before i learnt what void elements were and weren't
 
Lordy, second one in two days complaining about privacy.
grumbles, shakes fist whippersnappers.
 
Them and their dogs, all over my lawn.
checks the locks on the doors and windows again
 
1:07 AM
Now I can't find that document where I wrote down the name of the script that did the thing that I need to look at more closely.
Who the hell wrote this documentation? Ninny.
 
@tchrist Even I have heard his name.
 
You have documentation!? Wimp!
 
It's the only thing I do anymore! It's my whole job!
cries
I don't know why I thought I would be good at this.
 
It’s what I’ve been doing all fricking day.
 
don't cry :(
 
1:10 AM
@Cerberus Richard is very very bright, perhaps in the 5 sigma range. But he also is afflicted with bipolar disorder, and not mildly either.
 
I see.
No idea what sigma ranges are, though.
 
aww KitFox, could you be able to tell me how you knew I spoke only 3 message here in the room? This trivial curiosity is consuming me ;_; I (tears
 
Standard deviations from the mean.
 
standard error
 
stderr is something else :)
 
1:10 AM
standard deviation is ... something else.
 
!!youtube don't cry for me argentina
 
damnit
 
Richard is not a standard deviant.
 
!!hello
 
@BlueBug I looked at your chat user profile: chat.stackexchange.com/users/59322/bluebug
 
1:11 AM
:(
 
!!goodbye
 
Hang on, she's just in the next room over.
 
:D! ty <3 #KitFox I can see you spoke 108k lines in this room, and this room only-no other chat rooms. (dancing in great joy
 
nvm
its Ok
 
39 pings! wtf?
Argh, how did my MiL mess this up?
 
1:12 AM
who? Soxy
 
Just a minute.
 
I can ping spirits from the vasty deep, Hotspur.
 
what is the opposite of a ping?
pong???
 
!!refresh
 
Why, so can I, Glendower, or so can any man; But will they pong when you do ping them?
 
1:14 AM
!!are you thinking what I'm thinking?
 
@KitFox Well I think so, Brain, but snort no, no, it's too stupid.
 
!!hi
 
@skullpatrol What up?
 
!!how are you?
 
@skullpatrol Hi.
 
1:15 AM
@BlueBug I have spoken in others, but this is my home.
 
Hi @MarianoSuárez-Alvarez
 
I can see it’s chitty-kitty bang-bang time.
 
Pardon?
And should I have another cup of tea or a glass of wine instead?
 
I meant chatty-kitty
 
Or maybe...rum?
 
1:16 AM
but, I see none of the records, mine tracked even the three messages I have spoke, yours display only this one. Or is it that old chat-history gets disposed?
 
!!tell me your laws
 
A rumtum tiger is a curious cat.
 
@KitFox Command your does not exist.
 
What?
grinds teeth
 
!!Obey your creator
 
1:17 AM
@skullpatrol Were you trying to invoke me? Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
It will have to wait another...well, long enough that I will forget I was going to do it.
@BlueBug The default page shows 'currently in rooms'. You'll find more if you look at 'frequently in rooms'.
 
@BlueBug No, it is nearly indelible.
 
Wow, Youtube has advertisements on Chrome. Pretty horrible.
 
You see Youtube spamvertising? I’m so sorry.
 
And it is like a minute long!
 
1:19 AM
!!Youtube has advertisements on Chrome
 
Hey wait.
> 1570 Levins Manip. 133 - A Bunkin, felow, Batavus, strigo.
 
I thought I had an ad blocker installed in Chrome.
 
Isn’t a strigo a witch in Italian?
 
Batavus? That is a Dutchman.
I only know strigo in Latin...
 
1:20 AM
Where it means....?
 
@BlueBug You can also see that I have 145312 messages in 67 rooms.
@tchrist I stripe.
 
OFFS
Not that one.
Owl?
Something like that.
 
Are you thinking of a striga? That's a kind of vampire bird thing, I think.
 
strix, strigis
There is no strigo inflection in the 3rd declension.
hunts some more
 
Stirge, if you're a fan of D&D.
 
1:23 AM
Oh right.
But it should be a shrieker.
Stirges just suck blood.
strigo might mean I shriek in Latin, I suppose.
 
> The legend of the strix survived into the Middle Ages, as recorded in Isidore's Etymologiae, and gave both name and attributes to the strigă —the name of a Romanian imaginary evil feminine being (also the name of the Common Barn Owl and of the Death's-head Hawkmoth), strigoaică —the name of the Romanian witch, strigoi—the Romanian vampire, and to the strega, the Italian witch.
 
Bingo.
 
> The Romanian striga was further borrowed into Albanian ( shtriga) (via Macedo-Romanians) and Polish Strzyga (via Gorals).

In more recent times the Stirge was presented as a popular monster in Dungeons and Dragons. In the game it took the form of a many-legged flying creature which sucked the blood from its victims through a sharp, tubular beak.
Which is why I thought of it.
Because we started playing again recently.
 
1:25 AM
Pretty sure strigo, striga are witches in Italian.
Hm, or was that Latin??
Latin[edit]
Etymology[edit]

From strix, strigis.
Noun[edit]

striga f (genitive strigae); first declension
evil spirit, witch, hag, vampire
row, strip, swath
 
Ta da.
So tea or booze?
 
I may know strego as warlock from somewhere.
Booze.
I see your striping there, too.
 
Striping?
Wine or rum?
 
> Texan law forbidding gay marriage is unconstitutional, rules federal court.
How does this make sense?
 
What do you mean?
 
1:27 AM
It's frigging cold, and somehow our pipes have developed a clang. sighs
 
How can you possibly judge whether or not such a law would go against a document that says nothing whatsoever about gay marriage?
 
Frigg (sometimes anglicized as Frigga) is a major goddess in Norse paganism, a subset of Germanic paganism. She is said to be the wife of Odin, and is the "foremost among the goddesses" and the queen of Asgard. Frigg appears primarily in Norse mythological stories as a wife and a mother. She is also described as having the power of prophecy yet she does not reveal what she knows. Frigg is described as the only one other than Odin who is permitted to sit on his high seat Hlidskjalf and look out over the universe. The English term Friday derives from the Anglo-Saxon name for Frigg, Frige...
 
It is more like "I am a judge, and I just choose whichever interpretation I want".
 
Because it isn't unconstitutional for that reason.
It's unconstitutional because it violates the blahblah thingy.
That I can't think of right now. @tchrist knows what I mean.
 
@Cerberus Thus it always is, everywhere.
They will find an article of the constitution that says something that they will say here applies.
 
1:29 AM
What striping? And wine or rum?
@tchrist It's the one where they have to recognize other states stuff.
You know the one I mean.
The whatsit.
The whodinger.
 
Ah, that one.
Yes.
If you are married in one state, it has to count in all states.
 
All I can think of is Equal Protection, but that's not right.
 
Otherwise nothing makes sense.
 
Marriage is a special case. It's like an interstate contract.
 
It’s not that one. But yes, a state must recognize another state’s marriages.
Even if it does not like them.
We had this with the antimiscegenationist laws.
Some states didn’t want to recognize black–white marriages performed in other states.
 
1:32 AM
That's going to make me crazy now. It's the plan to bring down all the opponents, why the state's individual victories were so important.
 
You can see why this would be a federal problem of constitutional concern.
 
@tchrist Like the Bible.
Or Homer.
 
@Cerberus Why do you think that the Supreme Court wears priestly robes?
 
Because once couples can marry in many or most states, and your state has to recognize those marriages, then there's not any sense in banning it.
 
Hah.
They wear the toga, presumably.
Roman law.
 
1:34 AM
Full Faith and Credit. That's it.
Every state must grant to every other state full faith and credit in their laws.
 
Ah.
 
Article IV, Section 1 of the United States Constitution, known as the "Full Faith and Credit Clause", addresses the duties that states within the United States have to respect the "public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state." According to the Supreme Court, there is a difference between the credit owed to laws (i.e. legislative measures and common law) as compared to the credit owed to judgments. At present, it is widely agreed that this Clause of the Constitution has little impact on a court's choice of law decision, although this Clause of the Constitution was o...
You can't get married in one state and have it be null and void when you move to a new state. The marriage must be recognized.
It's true of many other sorts of legally binding proceedings.
 
The Texans will revolt.
I love it.
Texans are always revolting.
 
Doesn't matter. It's all over, the battle was won.
 
But not the war...
 
1:39 AM
The end has been decided, though. Some folks will keep fighting, but when it is done, the outcome won't change.
 
It is a bit like "human rights".
The ECHR sort of decides whatever it wants, based on "human rights".
 
Just as some racists fly the Dixie flag as a badge of honor and bastion of assholeness.
 
And the European courts happen to be manned by good men and women, so we like their decisions and the huge jurisprudence they create.
Just as we like the rule of a benevolent monarch.
 
@tchrist It's ridiculous. It's the battle flag of a foreign nation, ffs.
 
1:42 AM
a subnation
 
What is it?
 
Confederate States
 
@KitFox The winners write the histories, the losers never forget. Nor forgive. The losers even have a special curseword for us: yankees. Our equivalent of course is traitor.
 
Rebels.
 
Ah.
 
1:44 AM
It was treason.
 
A revolutionary state is hardly a foreign state...
 
!!wiki confederate states
 
|image_map = Confederate States of America (orthographic projection).svg |image_map_caption = Confederate States of America in 1862 |capital = | }} |largest_city = | }} |common_languages = English |government_type = Confederal republic |title_leader = President |leader1 = Jefferson Davis |year_leader1 = 1861–1865 |title_deputy = Vice President |deputy1 = Alexander Stephens |year_deputy1 = 1861–1865 |legislature = Congress |house1 = Senate |house2 = House of Representatives |era = American Civil WarNew Imperialism |event_start = Confederacy formed |date_start = February 4 |event1 = Co...
 
The Dixie flag is the third battle flag of the CSA.
 
By jingo.
 
1:44 AM
I know what they are, the civil war.
 
Treason brought on by weak leadership.
Don't get me started.
 
By idiots, you mean.
 
Treason?
Revolution!
Independence!
And slavery!
 
Treason.
 
Anyway, most people under the age of 40 don't give a crap about homosexuality, and of those who do, most don't care enough about marriage to worry about 'protecting' it.
 
1:46 AM
Why treason?
 
@KitFox I still think it’s a fad, personally.
 
It's all a matter of time.
@tchrist What? Gaiety?
 
@tchrist Yeah, one grows out of it.
 
Oh, I was going to drink!
 
@KitFox Making anything of it.
 
1:46 AM
!!wiki gay marriage
 
@skullpatrol No result found
 
Even having a name for it.
 
Same-sex marriage (also known as gay marriage) is marriage between two people of the same biological sex and/or gender identity. Legal recognition of same-sex marriage or the possibility to perform a same-sex marriage is sometimes referred to as marriage equality or equal marriage, particularly by supporters. The legalization of same-sex marriage is characterized as "redefining marriage" by many opponents. The first laws in modern times enabling same-sex marriage were enacted during the first decade of the 21st century. , fifteen countries (Argentina, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Denmark...
 
It’s just what some people sometimes do. It doesn’t need its own word, and it certainly doesn’t merit its own “culture”.
 
Like the whole unfortunate tea party incident?
 
1:47 AM
But it is a badge to hang proudly.
 
I am so confused. Why does this wine taste weird?
 
You know what, you should have let the Confederation be.
 
Civil Union?
 
You would be rid of all those nutjobs and the world would be a better place.
 
No.
The nutjobs would still live there, just as they do now.
 
1:48 AM
Why not?
But there would be fewer.
 
I don’t know.
 
Enough to drown out with common sense.
 
I doubt it. Ignorance procreates rapidly.
 
@Cerberus Lotta good that approach has done.
 
And the nutjob country would just boil in its own fat.
@tchrist Hasn't it?
 
1:49 AM
We'd have a pile of young people having babies and living on welfare and proclaiming their superiority.
 
No, they still exist.
 
Look at South Korea.
Or the Ottoman Empire.
You cut off the bad parts.
And the rump state flourishes.
 
but the cancer spreads
 
No, why should it?
It's easier to root out if you can overwhelm it within your own country.
Not if it's half your country.
 
that is the nature of the disease
 
1:52 AM
sigh
 
ignorance is infinite
 
I can’t tell whether the judge in that case suspended his decision pending appeal as the others have previously done.
 
Dutch newspaper says he has.
Gays still can't marry in Texas, for now.
 
Oh he did.
> U.S. District Judge Orlando Garcia, an appointee of President Clinton, issued a preliminary injunction on the ban, then suspended his ruling, meaning gay couples won’t be able to marry in the Lone Star State until the case is heard by a higher court.
They’re all being careful.
 
1:55 AM
You know, I wonder what would happen if Russia just invaded Ukraine right now and conquered it. What would the world do?
I'm sorry, I've switched to a new topic.
I am reading today's news.
 
It’s going to happen.
What the hell can the world do?
Nothing.
 
Why would you think so?
I don't think so.
 
Because you are a religious man, and I am not.
 
The world can boycott Russia big time, or even send troops.
Am I?
 
Clearly.
 
1:57 AM
are they on good terms with the UN?
 
You have faith that things will work out.
@Cerberus Hah.
Now where the hell did Puta’s Inferno go?
 
Jez
@tchrist that doesn't parse. "loving labour's won"?
 
@tchrist Not always. But consider this.
They did not even reconquer Stalin's birth ground, during the recent actual war.
 
Love's Labour's Lost is one of William Shakespeare's early comedies, believed to have been written in the mid-1590s for a performance at the Inns of Court before Queen Elizabeth. It follows the King of Navarre and his three companions as they attempt to foreswear the company of women for three years of study and fasting, and their subsequent infatuation with the Princess of Aquitaine and her ladies. In an untraditional ending for a comedy, the play closes with the death of the Princess's father, and all weddings are delayed for a year. The play draws on themes of masculine love and desi...
 
Jez
oh, Shakespeare. that explains why I can't understand it
 
1:59 AM
Education issues, eh?
 

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