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12:03
@TemporaryNickName How do you mean?
Am I the only one not watching GoT?
That woman is never going to take her cloth off
so she always wear a thick robe
But
This girl is going to take her cloth off so she is wearing sexy cloth
But...
If she is going to take them off anyway, what does it matter what clothes she is wearing right before?
I think she is trying to cover herself up little bit so she can avoid some mosquito bites
She's doing a terrific job, then.
Why are real tyrants so often dwarves? This does not conform to Tolkien lore. \/
Dutch PM on the left.
you forget that Dutch people are giants.
12:17
Doesn't take away anything from the tyrant's dwarven nature.
he's tall for Russian people
Besides, you people are only marginally smaller.
Oh, I need to run, w*rk...
Au revoir!
@Cerberus Dutcch PM is standing on a box, obviously.
Dutch average male height 1.808 m
UK average male height 1.776 m
12:19
@Robusto Suuuree...
Russia isn't on wiki's list for some reason
@MattЭллен Well, what you see there is not 3 cm.
Bye!
CU
Netherlands is number 1 in this list
Apr 10 '11 at 11:59, by Robusto
The Dutch are supposedly the tallest people in the world, on average.
We've covered this ground before.
see. so @Cerb has no right to be surprised that Russians look small compared to the Dutch. no right. I am confiscating it. He will not be given this right back until he pays reparations to the Russian people
12:23
And I'm above the Dutch average, so suck it, @Cerb.
@Robusto I am not unsure it's not the wrong answer.
You can't not prove a non-negative proposition.
No you.
Not I.
Who is Yaroslav Rakhmatullin and why is he getting starred?
12:26
Then who?
The who.
No one knows who Yaroslav is. He's coming down on the side of censorship, and that appeals to some folks around here.
The Who.
Ever since he was a young boy, he'd played the silver ball. from soho down to brighton, he must have played them all. I ain't seen nothing like him in any amusement hall. That Yaroslav Rakhmatullin sure played a mean pinball
@Robusto Are you really sure he's coming down on the side of ■■■■■■■■■■, and that appeals to ■■■■■■■■■■ around ■■■■?
But ██████ .
12:29
That brings up a good question. Is there such a thing as redactylic hexameter?
Yeah yeah, size matters for the Dutch.
@Cerberus Which part of "Bye!" don't you understand?
Bai?
12:31
@Robusto if Dutch are supposedly the tallest people in the world, why do they insist on living in trailers rather than villas?
11 mins ago, by Cerberus
Bye!
@RegDwighт I don't give a tinker's dam.
Tinker will be thankful. He needs his dam.
In related news, Blood Simple was terrific.
Yah. Now you need to see Miller's Crossing and Barton Fink, no?
Fcourse.
Actually I liked Blood Simple more than Fargo.
In unrealted news: Margaret Thatcher is dead.
12:34
Hmm.
@MattЭллен Unreal TED talk news?
She's no longer in realty.
yes. they're given at a venu suspended between two super strings
Well, RIP and all, but I wasn't even aware she was still alive.
When was her last public appearance, 1980?
I think many people feel the same
So now we have to go through days of encomiums about what a great PM she was for saving the Falklands, and of course that will stir another outpouring of nostalgia for the Reagan years, and blah blah blah.
12:35
@RegDwighт last year sometime
@MattЭллен I said public. Not "somewhere on that island in the Atlantic".
Which reminds me. If England has a queen, why is it called a kingdom and not a queendom? (Actually, it probably ought to be called a femdom, but that's another story.)
Why is it called a dom at all, it doesn't look anywhere like that.
And why is India called the "sub" continent then?
12:38
@RegDwighт Has been ever since Victoria.
Ite domum.
A UK.
I mean, come on. See for yourself.
@Robusto because they unlike Tibet don't want to be considered part of China.
@MετάEd Victoria didn't look anything like a dom either. She tried, mind you.
That's not very united now, is it.
12:40
Not so different when viewed from above
Yeah. That ought to be Untied Queendom.
Fuck. I gotta get ready for work. Laterz.
FFS, Google. Why does a search for "cologne cathedral from above" return images of the cathedral from below, left, and right, but not a single one from above?
Seriously.
From above.
From above.
12:43
pretty much identical.
That's a gmap screenshot.
Which is why I said it was.
all the best people do
The best people are the worst.
12:46
And the mediocre people?
♪ You gotta fight every day to keep mediocrity at bay.
Preferably San Fran. Tell them it's their fault.
-ocre comes from the latin for jagged mountain. I would never have guessed.
-orly comes from the Latin for "Paris airport".
12:54
what does it say on their back?
Fuck yourself with a cactus, Putin.
I assume it's a woman from Putin's expression.
@RegDwighт ah
It says "Fuck dictator" on the front.
There were three of them.
The first image is the best. A great study of expressions. Look at the many faces.
It's perfect.
13:17
@Cerberus As I said: I have first-hand experience fixing problems caused by users changing settings and then denying they changed anything. They either forget they changed the setting and never connect the two events or else they refuse to admit that the settings change could possibly break the thing that broke. Furthermore they expect that if changing the setting would break something, then the OS wouldn't let you change the setting.
13:40
72 and sunny today. 6" of snow tonight. I was too stubborn to answer the phone calling for help, and they were too stupid to stay in the hospital where I’d told them they had to be. Dead at 31 and a week.
is this a true story?
Hello
Question guys.
What is a good way to write step by step computer insturctions?
For example: To create a new account, go to "System Preferences...", "User & Groups"
13:55
It depends on the audience.
Or should it be: To create a new account, go to "System Preferences..." then choose "User & Groups"
1. find your target audience
2. determine how they are best taught things
3. break your instructions down according to how best suits your audience
It helps if you say what kind of UI feature they should click on/select
Is "System Preferences" an icon? a menu? a menu item? a button? a tab? etc.
The target audience will be the general public.
make a video of a screen capture of you doing the things
free screen cap tools are out there
13:58
No, I have to write step by step instructions.
I personally hate video captures. They often don't reflect the user's screen because the software is a different version, and I resent being forced to listen/watch in a linear fashion at normal speaking speed.
for people on a computer? that seems needlessly old fashioned
pictures are helpful, if not video
a text-based list at least can serve as a checklist of items
I know. But this is one of the requirements of the report.
make an interactive tutorial
14:00
Folks, just answer the question.
Cannot do that. I have to write it in plain text.
You can use "then choose", you can use a comma, you can use an arrow. The important thing is that you pick one style and stick with it.
@RegDwighт Thanks.
@RegDwighт I still say the style choice depends on the audience. When in doubt, don't abbreviate. Spell it out. Make sure they understand. Don't leave out anything. Be redundant, even.
Not in an email.
Audience is not the only aspect. There are like OVER 42 things that matter.
And then, of course, there's the issue of burying creating a new account under System Preferences in the first place.
14:05
then the audience is "email recipients"
Email recipients is not an audience, it's a trashbin.
@RegDwighт Who said anything about an email?
I did.
there you go, making up requirements again
Exactly my point.
14:09
Okay, one more thing. What if you want to present a list of items in the text. For example: The page has three sections: 1. Sample1: ....
The page has three sections, "Home", "About", and "Download".
Do not number them. People can count till three.
And if I have more than three?
And what if I want to add a description for each section within the same pargaraph?
hello guys
@Noah You can have a thousand, and there still would be no point in enumerating them.
The page has three sections, "Home": used for bla bla...
14:18
@Noah then you'd format the list accordingly.
@RegDwighт Thanks.
So can you give me an example?
:8867677
The page has three sections:
* "Home", where you can do stuff;
* "About", where you can read about things, and
* "Download", where you can get free malware.
Can I get rid of the bullets?
i have a question
@RegDwighт Unless you want to refer to them by number later
14:20
@Noah you can, but why would you want to? You yourself just said that you can have any number of items.
"They are yours" or "They all are yours" ?
which is true?
@RegDwighт Yep. The software doesnt support any formatting.
It's a simple text area.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 of course, but no sane persone would you refer to "Downloads" as "51234" when you could just say "Downloads".
@Noah I just typed what I just typed into a simple text area. On the Internet. With zero formatting.
@udaysagar are any of them yours?
14:21
The only formatting I used were carriage returns.
suppose i have two apples
only two
and a girl asked me that she wants them
Look ma, no formatting:

• not here,
• not here,
• and not even here!
@RegDwighт Okay. To be specific, I have only two items.
so, here in this context, what can i use?
@udaysagar either.
14:22
@Noah perhaps you should cut to the chase and post the entire sentence, then.
Okay.
@udaysagar Some people will try to tell you that it's wrong to use "all" when you only have two, and you must use "both". If you want those people to be happy, use "both". I say it's okay to use "all". But also, I'd say "They are all yours", not "They all are yours".
hmm, are both proper english?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ah. I didn't notice that are and all are around the wrong way.
How about "They are yours"?
coz, i already used it
14:26
@udaysagar That's fine.
When you create a new page, you will be presented with a blank form. This form has two sections, "Publish": used to publish your content and "Save as Draft": used to save your content for later use.
@RegDwighт
Thanks Shiny!
@Noah no colons (I'd use commas), and I'd put a comma after "content".
@Noah looks fine except for the colons. Make them commas.
Yeah what Mr Shiny says.
14:27
Okay. Any other suggestion?
Use a good font or tchrist will get mad at you.
When you create a new page, you will be presented with a blank form. This form has two sections, "Publish", used to publish your content and "Save as Draft", used to save your content for later use.
The comma after content is missing.
Should I add a comma before "and"?
No, after content.
14:28
Also I'd change the comma after "two sections" to a colon.
When you create a new page, you will be presented with a blank form. This form has two sections, "Publish", used to publish your content, and "Save as Draft", used to save your content for later use.
Because you have a parenthetical phrase there, "used to publish your content". You have offset it with a comma on one side, but not on the other. That's wrong.
> When you create a new page, you will be presented with a blank form. This form has two sections: "Publish", used to publish your content, and "Save as Draft", used to save your content for later use.
When you create a new page, you will be presented with a blank form. This form has two sections: "Publish", used to publish your content, and "Save as Draft", used to save your content for later use.
14:29
What do you think?
did you see how I quoted that before it was said? I'm a time-traveller
Without the comma, what you have is that "Publish" is used to both publish your content and save as draft, and the rest of the sentence makes no sense anymore.
@Noah very nice.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes.
@tchrist then I'd have to ask for context. What's going on? Who died?
A friend of mine.
14:31
At 31?
That sucks.
yeah that does suck
> Stupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death. There is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.
No one but me took it seriously.
And the fucking hospital released him.
And I refused to answer the phone because I thought he was mixed up with bad shit.
So he just fucking died.
The autopsy will say. couldn't pee. Think maybe kidney failure, or something like that. Had a catheter.
Oh my.
14:33
And I was too selfish to get wrapped up in it.
and the hospital released him?
And now I'm the only one who knows how to contact his family.
Yes, fucking idiots.
It's not like they could hold him if he refused.
It was his choice, not yours and not theirs.
He never got good advice, and wasn't smart enough to understand it himself.
Someone offered to take him to the hospital in his last painful hours, and he said no, this will pass just like it always has.
And of cours eit did not.
this wouldn't be the first time that someone died of stubbornity
like my uncle, who tried to sleep off a stroke.
14:35
I couldn't have. I was 4 hours away. am. always will be.
Stubbornness?
I have unlistened to voice message on my phone. I think they will almost kill me to hear.
Or is that stubbornness + stupidity?
I refuse to bow down to your spelling norms!
Noted.
14:36
spellings, norm*
@tchrist So if your friend needed help, why not call an ambulance or neighbour?
Head just going in little circle. I should try to work. Very hard. Dodged the India call this morning. Told the boss that there had been a sudden tragedy. Didn't tell him anything else, like aversion.
And here I was going to ask for some love, but it looks like @tchrist needs it instead.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Me or him? Me, because I refused to answer the phone. Him? Because he didn't understand it was fatal.
@tchrist don't blame yourself.
14:37
Hard not to.
As the only competent adult.
You can't be responsible for other people's choices.
Where’s Abel, Cain?
Take the day off. Get your head together.
I don’t know, God — I am not my brother’s keeper.
Aren’t you?
No, you're not.
14:39
You're certainly not your friend's keeper.
He had no one. His dad had killed his mom when he was a little kid.
Refusing to answer the phone is not the same as killing someone.
I thought it was just drama-calls, and I didn’t want drama.
@tchrist he must have thought it was just a drama call too, or else he'd have called an ambulance.
No he was just not smart enough.
Who knows what the calls were? I can’t bring myself to listen to the messages.
14:41
@tchrist don't then. just delete them.
If I had answered, I would have made him go back to the hospital. Or called the police.
By the time I called the police yesterday, it was too late.
The police couldn't have done anything. Even ambulance workers couldn't have done anything.
What made you call them, after all?
@tchrist Would he have listened anyway? Would he even have told you that he was getting worse?
@RegDwighт Because I couldn’t contact him, and I had a very very bad feeling.
14:42
I see.
And his ex woke up screaming (of a nightmare that he had died) in my basement at the exact moment the coroner pronounced him dead, and I had told him nothing whatsoever about it. I don’t believe in mumbo jumbo, but it bothered me. So I spent the day trying to reach him. It was already too late.
Took a walk at dawn. Tried reading. Tried taped movies. Guess I could try hacking.
And no one where he is knows his family, or has told them.
I guess I should just give the contact info to the morgue.
I certainly can’t handle telling them.
no shame in that
That seems like a good plan.
Sorry to unload on you guys.
That's what we're here for.
14:46
Thanks. Is all. I can. Say.
You know anyone from the family personally?
All of them.
Both brothers, both surviving uncles, his cousin.
Then by all means let someone take over from here whose whole job it is.
They’ll want to know what happened.
Well, you don't know, do you?
14:47
Yeah, ok. You’re right. I’d lose it.
No, not really.
Go find yourself some support, let the coroner handle the family. They have each other to lean on.
He was staying with a woman recovering from a heart-attack from three weeks ago. She wasn’t being very attentive, and was most bed ridden.
I talked to her. I’ve heard there is an autopsy today.
I’ll pass along the family info. Should be open soon.
Meanwhile, Maggie Thatcher just died.
Yeah, someone mentioned it.
Lotta that going around. Ebert was supposed to be in town this week for a conference. So much for that idea.
But there is a difference between dying at 87 and at 31.
Or maybe not.
I don't know.
Weird that the only people to talk to are you ghosts in the machine.
14:52
Blessings of the new age.
For all you know we're not even real. You could be imagining this whole thing.
makes spooky chain clinky sounds
But seriously, don't blame yourself. My wife blamed herself for her grandmother's stroke and it took years for her to shake that cloud of guilt. This isn't your fault.
Guilt is stupid like that, because it's basically just a different word for something you can't change anyway.
fixitfixitfixitfixitfixit
14:57
Yeah, feeling guilty is a way of saying, but perhaps I could! A tantrum of sorts. Unreasonable. I wonder why it exists in the first place.
for the same reason as pain. to stop you doing things you shouldn't do
Unlike with pain, you can't stop what causes it, though. That's the point.
I fix things. I could have fixed this. I turned my back.
you can stop some things that cause guilt
e.g. "If I eat this whole bag of maltesers I will feel guilty"
That has never, ever, once stopped people from eating this whole bag of maltesers.
15:00
but it's just like pain in that you can't stop all the things that cause pain, either
@tchrist It's not the same though. You didn't "turn your back". You avoided a phone call for a perfectly legit reason. You are not beholden to everyone who wants to call you whenever they want to call.
This wasn’t everyone. It was just one person.
@tchrist What would you have fixed exactly? He would have (maybe) listened to you and (maybe) gone to the hospital and (maybe) lived until the next time and then what? You couldn't live his life for him. He had a right to make his own decisions.
@RegDwighт well, you've clearly not me me. I cleaned my microwave because of guilt just yesterday.
@tchrist But even if you bear some measure of responsibility for this person, like you might for, eg, your mother or child, that doesn't mean you have to run and jump every time they call you on the phone.
15:03
@MattЭллен that will only make you feel more guilty about it being greasy, faster.
And yes I'm not you. I don't have microwaves.
@KitFox Been through this before. They saved him more than once. His heart was miswired and they rewired it. He already died on my doorstep years ago, but the cops were right their with the defig, and jumpstarted him.
That's some crazy shit.
Yeah, see.
If my mother called me on the phone from a different city because she wanted to tell me about a kidney problem, but she didn't go to the hospital or tell anyone nearby, it wouldn't be my fault if I didn't answer the phone and then she died. It would be her fault for not calling an ambulance.
@tchrist Well then how should I put it. He should have been all the more cautious about it, then.
15:05
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Would that have made you feel any better?
@RegDwighт I know I know I know. I told him.
gives tchrist lots and lots and lots of hugs
Can’t believe how fragile we are.
@tchrist I dunno. It's hard to be rational when you're hurting. But rationally, I try not to feel guilty about things that aren't my fault.
@tchrist but that's what Kit's saying I guess. Not your fault, then. Kind of the equivalent, for lack of a less cheap example, of someone getting diagnosed with cancer and smoking on.
I wanted him to stay in the hospital, not be dismissed with a catheter yet again.
Since it was not draining.
He would have if I had told him that.
I just thought he should be making his own decisions finally, act like a grown up.
Lotta good that did.
I typo like a drunkard.
15:08
You are right that at 31, he was responsible for his own decisions.
And the consequences thereof.
See Heinlein quote above.
@tchrist Sorry for your loss.
The feeling are too complicated even to say what they are. Anger. Much anger.
When you have the courage to listen to his messages, maybe you'll hear that he was calling you about the drama you were trying to avoid, and not about the kidney thing at all.
Directed all over the place.
15:09
Who was it? @tchrist @KitFox @Anyone
@KitFox Probably.
afk
@Noah A dead boy, whose ID said he was a man, but little else.
@tchrist So you didnt know him?
To the contrary.
Known him a long, long time.
Since a teen.
Knew.
15:11
@tchrist It's going to feel bad, for probably a long time. You're going to be hurt, and upset, and angry, and you're going to feel guilty. And that's okay, and it will get better eventually. I know that doesn't help much right now, but it's true. We're here for you, and I'm sure there are RL people who care about you very much and want to help you through this too. I can't promise it will get better soon, but it will eventually. I'm very, very sorry this happened to you.
@tchrist But someday you're going to be able to look back and see the happy memories. I promise. hugs
@Noah You should probably backread.
Thank you. I can’t bring myself to talk to people I’d have to pay to listen to me, and I’m not one to run to a pastor.
@WendiKidd How far?
@tchrist A big bear hug from me. I dont stink so dont run.
@tchrist @Noah Click the back arrow.
@tchrist Talk to your family and friends, when you can. People are there to support you, I promise.
Hello, I am updating my timeline on my personal blog, and feel obliged to write about something I find extremely useful. I am wondering if there's a better way to put this:
> Safari Books Online, in my humble opinion, is the best thing to have ever happened to beginners wanting to improve their tech skills (be it Computers, Programming, Graphic Design, SysAdmin, or Photography), by making a vast library of Technology books available to everyone with very affordable subscriptions.
@tchrist And of course we're here too.
15:15
Starred and seconded.
@WendiKidd Thanks
15:35
@TheoneManis Sounds good to me.
@KitFox Oh, ok. Thanks. :)

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