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14:00
!!tea or coffee?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 coffee
!!tell KitFox your master has trained you well
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Command your does not exist.
Hm. Ironic failure.
Hahaha
Did you see the thing about the email I just got?
19 mins ago, by KitFox
I emailed my new employer yesterday because when I was working through the orientation, the welcome message 404'd.
14:02
@AndrewLeach I opened the door and let them regard it in its frozen majesty. Normally quick to dart out an open doorway, they sat there for a spell, contemplating the falling whiteness covering the ground and the tickling subzero breezes (in Fahrenheit!), and decided that they’d prefer to stay indoors after all.
My cats loved chasing snow.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Awkward.
The person replying to the email hopefully isn't in a technical role.
@KitFox Just tell them you did that and it's still the same.
As you thought it would be.
14:03
@KitFox That really depends what you mean by or:
macbook# perl -le 'print 1572 || 1573'
1572
macbook# perl -le 'print 1572 | 1573'
1573
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 She just passed it on to me. She's an HR person or something.
@JohanLarsson wtf is a backslick?
When somebody licks your backside.
No, that's a rimshot.
!!rimshot
14:05
@drch a haircut
I thought that was a volcano.
!!wiki backslick
@KitFox The Wikipedia contains no knowledge of such a thing
Whose rim is always hot.
!!urban backslick
14:05
@KitFox No definition found for backslick
Backslick, lejonman eller kotlettfrilla är en bakåtkammad, något längre, frisyr som främst bärs av pojkar och män. Frisyren kan skapas med hjälp av till exempel hårgelé, brylcreme, vax eller liknande. För att skapa frisyren används en kam som dras genom håret. Frisyren förknippas ofta i populärkultur med brats och stekare. För att enkelt få backslick kan man ta en hårprodukt eller vatten i håret, kamma det bakåt och sätta på en mössa eller ett hårnät. Ha på huvudbonaden i ca en timme och sedan bör du ha en hyfsad backslick (för att enklast få håret att ligga ner skall det helst vara ca...
Must be slicked back hair.
you could pull that off for sure
Greaser.
Oh.
I thought it was a bald man with a pony tail.
14:06
My nice ex- had that style.
turned out it was correct to wait
Greasers vs socs.
Yay!
@tchrist ^
@JohanLarsson Time heals all wounds.
14:07
Time also opens some wounds, ask my aorta.
On s’amuse.
This is disturbing. The ad that opens that clip for me is all about how evil Iran is.
Don’t do spamverts.
I was waiting to see who sponsored it, so I could shit some vitriol on them.
@KitFox wow. you might be able to click on a link at the top of the video to go to the ad's youtube page.
14:13
They didn't say who they were, but the bar said "Iran Facts by Iran Facts".
@Robusto What’s the old bloodprice/geldprice word I’m thinking of from the sagas about paying off relatives for a murder? I can't find it.
@Robusto Very succinct and insightful.
@tchrist Wergild.
Weregild (also spelled wergild, wergeld, weregeld, etc.) was a value placed on every human being and every piece of property in the Salic Code. Also known as "man price." If property was stolen, or someone was injured or killed, the guilty person would have to pay weregild as restitution to the victim's family or to the owner of the property. The payment of weregild was an important legal mechanism in early Germanic society; the other common form of legal reparation at this time was blood revenge. The payment was typically made to the family or to the clan. No distinction was made be...
Hmm, I always saw it as wergild, but apparently there are variant spellings.
Yes, that was it.
Man-money.
Thanks.
Wow, biologists sure can be smart. For example, in 1993 this biology paper describes a new invention for computing the area under a curve
> In Tai's Model, the total area under a curve is computed by dividing the area under the curve between two designated values on the X-axis (abscissas) into small segments (rectangles and triangles) whose areas can be accurately calculated from their respective geometrical formulas.
14:21
raises eyebrow
Sadly, it turns out that this method of area calculation is actually better than other widely-used methods at the time:
> Other formulas widely applied by researchers under- or overestimated total area under a metabolic curve by a great margin.
> wergeld, -gild. Hist. Forms: ɑ. 3 Sc. weregeheld, 5 weregylt, 7-9 weregild, 9 -geld. β. 5 Sc. wargeld (7 vergelt), 7, 9 wergeld; 9 wehrgeld. ɣ. 8-9 wergild.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Umm, isn't that called calculus?
Well, I don't think Tai's Model is calculus per se.
giggles at typo
14:24
I wonder if it was for an approximation model for the laity.
Calculus uses infinitesimally-thin rectangles and no triangles.
That's what I'm saying.
> Etymology: ad. OE. (Anglian and Kentish) werġeld, (WSaxon) werġield, -ġild, -ġyld, late wereġild (f. wer man were n.¹ + ġeld, ġield (yield n.) = OFris. wergeld, -ield, OHG. wer-, werigelt (MHG. wergelt, G. wer-, wehrgeld, Dutch weergeld); the equivalent ONor. term is manngjo̧ld. The three OE. types werġeld, werġild, and wereġild are represented in the modern forms; the spelling wehrgeld is due to the incorrect German form.
Tai's Model is similar to, but not as good as, actually using calculus.
@AndrewLeach Hmm, OK. So now you're saying one of the bedrock assumptions of my education is outmoded and obsolete. shakes head sadly
14:26
@JohanLarsson Is manngjo̧ld recognizable to you?
Which is why I wonder if maybe it's supposed to be used by regular people monitoring their A1Cs or something.
I mean, if I ever believed in the coolness of anything, it was calculus.
Calculus is cool. It uses impossible things to do stuff.
Calculus is teh awesum.
My favorite subject ever.
I know, right? Who else uses the square root of -1 to solve problems even though it doesn't exist? How cool is that?
It's magic.
14:28
Um, how is it that the square root of –1 doesn’t exist but the square root of 7 does?
Magic.
Yep.
I mean, what is exists?
@tchrist nope, manngj[]ld (I get a square)
14:29
@JohanLarsson Damn Windows!
The imaginary unit or unit imaginary number, denoted as , is a mathematical concept which extends the real number system to the complex number system , which in turn provides at least one root for every polynomial (see algebraic closure and fundamental theorem of algebra). The imaginary unit's core property is that . The term "imaginary" is used because there is no real number having a negative square. There are in fact two complex square roots of −1, namely and , just as there are two complex square roots of every other real number, except zero, which has one double square root. In c...
@tchrist was that the question or was it about the word?
manngjo\N{COMBINING CEDILLA}ld
> There are in fact two complex square roots of −1, namely and ,
@tchrist Oh, if your issue is with my word choice, I'll freely substitute imaginary.
14:30
@JohanLarsson The world.
Should there be something else there?
i and -i, perhaps?
@tchrist It works for me on Windows. It only depends on what fonts are installed.
@AndrewLeach I hate it when that happens.
@AndrewLeach The one box drops links and odd characters.
IS the square root of –1 odd or even?
14:31
@tchrist I can't imagine which it might be.
It's odd.
It must be odd.
It is certainly unusual, if not downright odd.
Because odd x odd = odd, and -1 is odd.
√−1 = ±𝑖
@tchrist looks like old Swedish or Icelandic. guess
14:34
@tchrist It equals a plus-or-minus box. I see.
@JohanLarsson Well, it’s Old Norse, which might as well be Icelandic.
macbook# echo √−1 = ±𝑖 | uniquote -v
\N{SQUARE ROOT}\N{MINUS SIGN}1 = \N{PLUS-MINUS SIGN}\N{MATHEMATICAL ITALIC SMALL I}
Who is Harry Styles?
I could add a COMBINING MACRON over both parts of the −1 to drag out the square root, but I think that would bug people.
The neurotic builds castles in the air, while the psychotic mathematician lives in them.
Assume the can is open. Assume the can is open.
My brother is a mathematician. We share jokes all the time.
14:38
Combining overline, rather. And it doesn’t look so good.
√−̅1̅ = ±𝑖 or √−̅1̅ = ±𝑖
Actually, it’s not so bad in mono.
Still, looks pretty crappy all in all. Not real typesetting.
Looks pretty crappy here, but I don't have the proper fonts installed.
Would look far better at Math.SE.
They and Physics are the only ones who do these things “right”.
LaTex in chat is pretty buggy ime
@AndrewLeach Of course: there are always n roots for polynomials of degree n. 2 square roots, 3 cube roots, 4 quartic roots, etc.
@JohanLarsson Non-functional.
It’s hard enough to do the word LaTeX right. Impossible, really.
Dang it, I had it here somewhere.
Found it.
As in <h2>The Beauty of <span class="latex">L<sup>a</sup>T<sub>e</sub>X</span></h2>
    .latex {
      font-family: Times, "Times New Roman", serif;
      letter-spacing: 1px;
    }

    .latex sup {
      text-transform: uppercase;
      letter-spacing: 1px;
      font-size: 0.85em;
      vertical-align: 0.15em;
      margin-left: -0.36em;
      margin-right: -0.15em;
    }

    .latex sub {
      text-transform: uppercase;
      vertical-align: -0.5ex;
      margin-left: -0.1667em;
      margin-right: -0.125em;
      font-size: 1em;
    }
Still think it would be easier in troff. :)
Is that like cool, or what?
Had to figure it out for the XSLT for the Book.
That’s how “LaTeX” is supposed to look when the word is typeset.
Good luck making that happen in chat.
Of course, use whatever font you are supposed to be using.
The font-family above is just for demo purposes.
It used to be we had typesetters who would do that for us.
Now we writers have to figure that shit out for ourselves. Supersucks.
You could use the content CSS property with the :before and :after pseudoclasses to handle the whole thing without ever having to enter the characters at all.
14:52
What do you mean?
I mean to create your square-root overhang thingy.
Tanky.
Does LaTeX work in Math chat?
I mean, the notation, not the special word.
No idea.
It ought to work in tex chat.
I’m just thinking of the equations.
15:02
And if it works there, they probably pulled it into the others.
I remember seeing a Meta.SO question about allowing it.
Whoa. Meta.SO looks different.
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Q: LaTeX on Stack Overflow?

ClaudiuMathOverflow has an awesome engine where you can embed LaTeX in questions, answers, and comments. Can we get something like this going on Stack Overflow? I think it’d be appropriate as I at least pretty often want to write something like n^2 and would benefit greatly from prettier markup.

I guess they didn't do it on SO, but they did on Math.
@KitFox That's the new look. Expect it on a site near you SOON.
Wow, that is really different looking!
Oh. The multicollider is better. A little confusing at first.
It took me a bit to realize that the number was my rep on that site.
15:07
21
A: LaTeX on Stack Overflow?

Milo Chen As a workaround, you can easily embed LaTeX by generating an image of the equation using the following WYSIWYG editor: https://codecogs.com/latex/eqneditor.php.

@KitFox I can’t even find it anymore.
And that number is the sum of all site rep changes.
No, I am talking about the dropdown under the StackExchange logo.
I think it is more useful now.
Much easier to jump to my favorite sites.
16:01
Starting another 30+ minutes operation
Did they axe the multi-collider?
I can't see the "hot questions" tab in the new version
it's still there in the old version
16:16
If you've ever wondered what Peter Shor look like.
Wow!
I like him even better.
16:32
huh. redesign on SO sites? why don't i see it on english.se yet?
we still have a multicollidor
they're testing it on MSO. if it's OK there, then they'll roll it out
@MattЭллен Haha.
And good morning.
@Cerberus If by morning you mean the time near when you wake up, then, well, whenever, it was good.
16:47
@Mitch *is
And OK.
@Cerberus will be? do we have it covered?
LOL. Searching to see if anyone asked me anything while I've been less active, I see the statement "Even Jon Hanna mistypes at times".
I'm probably one of the worse typists with a score over 1k here. I'm very definitely the sort that needs to redraft to catch errors.
Prestidigitation is the root of all typos.
I have great grammar and spellings, but my thingers dont no wot their doing.
17:04
@Mitch I s'pose.
179
Q: The new top bar is out on meta. Consider it a beta

Jeremy TunnellWe have rolled out our 95% completed top bar for feedback. Note: We are still adding a few final features, so if you have a request for a feature that is not there you might hold off on that for a day or two Yes, the bar is black1. Also give that a day or two to sink in. I also want to speci...

@JonHanna Greetings!
Apparently, you are a good typo fixer, then.
Not all of us can claim that title. coughs
@Cerberus the conjunction of being prone to typos as a writer, and irritated by bad grammar and spelling as a reader, is not a happy one, and those so afflicted must ever labour in revisions.
Indeed, they must.
But are there people who aren't prone to typos?
(Yes, I correct my chat lines a lot, after posting them.)
@JonHanna Corrigitis is an inflammatory disease, that’s for sure.
17:13
Some are more prone than others.
As a rule, if I spend much time writing but not coding, my accuracy goes way up pretty quickly. Some live in even higher realms of typing accuracy all the time.
Huh.
One would assume accuracy to be even more important in coding...
If I spend more time playing the piano, my accuracy goes way up.
Funny how that works.
It's canonical. It's even Hanonical.
A typo in coding usually triggers a compiler error — well, if you’re lucky.
@Cerberus it is, but it leads to different types of typing, at a different speed, which I find weakens my typing of English prose.
17:26
> "It's just a little hand trick/A little prestidigitation/Better get out your Hanon/Practice that repetition" — Bruce Hornsby
The best thing to do improve the quality of your English prose is to read a book whose distribution of compound/complex sentences, and perhaps vocabulary, is higher than the sort that one tolerates in the daily fish-wrapper.
@Cerberus Coding is an iterative process. It's equivalent to practicing the piano, not performing on it.
Today I learned there's apparently a large enough number of people without the first clue of how to act around livestock, for that article to have a target audience.
@JonHanna Hmm interesting. I shall have to ponder this.
@tchrist I agree that reading is important, but disagree with your qualification. I think you should read good writing, period. Forget about some abstract "distribution of compound/complex sentences . . ." etc.
17:28
@Cerberus I know some report the exact opposite experience.
@tchrist Wait. Does English have an expression about fish and newspapers too?
@Cerberus Ask an Englishman.
@Robusto Noted.
This is why I stay away from livestock. I just don't know how to behave around them, and it's embarrassing.
17:29
@tchrist In de krant van vandaag wordt morgen de vis verpakt.
@Robusto Same. Except cows, I like cows. I used to chase them and play in their midst as a little boy dog.
You played in their mist? Icky!
Hey, that wasn't a typo.
Ew. Cow mist.
> In today's newspaper, the fish will be wrapped tomorrow.
Indicating that scandals blow over quickly, especially those reported in newspapers.
Try wrapping fish in the online version of a newspaper sometime.
17:32
@drch Hello there.
Works for some sorts of phishing.
@Robusto But how do you get the ink to impress upon the fish that way?
Fish are never impressed by newspaper ink, only by cuttlefish’s.
I thought fishwrap meant a shitty newspaper
And how come English has no t in ink?
17:33
@Cerberus Really? You're going to use that as an excuse not to destroy someone's iPad?
tink?
No, that’s an asswrap.
@drch Ah! That could be the expression.
@drch Inkt.
@Robusto Ahh! Good thinking.
I'm sure your new bosses will like that.
Asswrap sounds like a terrible idea for a lunch special at the sandwich shop.
donkey meat?
17:34
@Cerberus "Today's news, tomorrow's fish wrapper", "Today's news, tomorrow's fish and chips", etc.
@JonHanna Ah, so it is an international expression. Or at least one used around the North Sea.
sounds like a british term
> Anyone who knows anything about physics or geology knows that Superman cannot move mountains. If he tried to lift one, the necessary force would be applied to an area the size of his hands or even his back, and he would merely tunnel through the granite or basalt or whatever.
@drch !Se venden burros ricos y fresquitos! ¡Cómetelós aquí!
I'm too drunk to do translation for LEGO, but not too drunk enough to not post here.
17:38
Translation: Frisky burros richly break wind here.
So here I am.
@RegDwigнt It's a narrow window of opportunity.
Hic venit.
@Meysam that's a double negative. It's non-standard, but grammatical in certain dialects and registers.
@Robusto I will rise up to the challenge.
> I wouldn't hold out much hope for the Credence.
17:39
20
Q: Is there a rule about double negations that aren't meant as double negations (e.g. "We don't need no education")?

PierreHow can you explain that this double negation is not a double negation? Is there a rule in English about this kind of sentence? PS / Do I have to mention Pink Floyd Copyright ? :-) Edit : Since there are a lot of Pink Floyd related explanation, I'll bring a Freddy Mercury one : "I don't have ti...

@Meysam
Don't let no double negative tell you how to english
And the questions linked from there.
@Robusto Credo, perhaps not, but Expecto, surely!
So BTW @Cerberus there's one point I didn't mention expressily and you probably didn't see it implied. LEGO stuff in German sucks. They German no can good. So in point of fact I'd be more than happy to do it for them for free. All the gifts and t-shirts and chicks and refrigerators are just icing on the LookAtMeIAmSoRight cake.
@tchrist in deo lotio pro credo.
But I must be drinking again, so this inter-Metzger won't last.
@RegDwigнt Bad example in the question, since that's a deliberate mistake for irony.
17:44
A bad example on ELU? You must be jesting, sir!
Gah, I meant Creedence.
Negative concord did come up today.
It always does.
That's how it rolls.
@Ste if I'm right in thinking you are quoting the character B A Baracus, then note that in AAVE it's normal to have "negative concord"; you negate all corresponding terms, making "I ain't getting on no plane" more correct than "I ain't getting a plane" as the no-double-negative rule of Standard English doesn't apply. It's an interesting lingual feature, though it is also one where emulation can sound like mocking if one isn't careful. In particular, people emulating can get the code-switching wrong and not realise when AAVE speakers would switch to Standard English. — Jon Hanna 5 hours ago
Note also I made at least one typing mistake there, tying recent discussions neatly together :)
My town abuts positive Concord. If there were a negative Concord, they would destroy each other. Complete annihilation. My town would not survive.
17:46
Well @Jon I'll just say that I wish I had a deutschmark for every time I had to post how "no" plays the exact same role there as "any" in Standard English and the rest is just historic happenstance and it could have been the other way round and then people would get all annoyed at people saying "I don't need any" and post questions about that. Yada etc.
You don't know nothin'.
If nothin is Jack then I know him alright.
OMFG I just misspole then. Time to drink.
> "Don't talk so much, old sport," commanded Gatsby. "Play!"
spielt die Flasche rauf und runter
tries to think of joke about Glockenspiel
fails
17:53
@RegDwigнt Haha, I totally sympathise.
I do wonder why their German is so bad.
How far is Denmark from Germany?
They thought I was a radical
And wanted to give me the boot
I told 'em I was mathematical
And a radical is a root
@Cerberus Depends. Some believe Germany is already inside Denmark.
Schleswig-Holstein () is the northernmost of the sixteen states of Germany, comprising most of the historical duchy of Holstein and the southern part of the former Duchy of Schleswig. Its capital city is Kiel; other notable cities are Lübeck, Flensburg and Neumünster. The former English name was Sleswick-Holsatia, the Danish name is Slesvig-Holsten, the Low German name is Sleswig-Holsteen, and the North Frisian name is Slaswik-Holstiinj. Historically, the name can also refer to a larger region, containing both present-day Schleswig-Holstein and the former South Jutland County (Northern...
@Cerberus 1millimeter, assuming you are talking about the bits on either side of the border.
BTW, JFK was DOA almost exactly 50 years ago this minute.
Yeah @Cer, @Rob is right, a little known fact about Germany is that Danish is the second official language.
@Robusto needs more initialisms
BTW, JFK was DOA almost exactly 50ya ATM
17:57
Good to see @Jon here, BTW. A not too unrare guest indeed.
@JSBձոգչ How dare you make fun of an assassination!
@Robusto but assassinations are the most fun!
@Robusto Yay!
@Cerberus that's simple. Their German is bad cuz their translators are not me.
@JonHanna Why not 1 nanometre?
17:58
@Cerberus And the Danes feel they got fucked in that exchange, so you do the math.
@RegDwigнt Seriously? Wow.
@RegDwigнt Of course.
Anyway. My only problem right now that I must be drunk as a log by midnight, yet fit for the Black Friday in the LEGO store tomorrow morning.
Why must you be drunk?
@Cerberus well it's the second language in Schleswig-Holstein, but exaggerations never got in the way of anything.
Wait, you actually have to go their store? Why again?
17:59
@Cerberus What a silly question.
@Cerberus silly question
@RegDwigнt "official language" or "officially recognised language". There is a difference.
Jinx
I must because I have to. Duh.
You two are crazy!
!!jinx
17:59
@Robusto That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.
Harhar
!!coke
Robusto needs help. points and laughs at Robusto
Waiting . . .

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