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18:00
And some Slavic names are converted too, like Nicholas and Alexander.
And yet.
And Elizabeth.
Although somehow we do often say Isabella.
Probably also because it sounds so different.
Actually, we get Isabel for the Spanish queen.
Yeah.
Isabella in Dutch.
And the Mozart opera Don Giovanni sometimes becomes Don Juan, not Dohn John. :)
user19161
18:03
Don Tom.
Don Juan? Probably because it is based on the Spanish story?
Fernando y Isabella > Ferdinand and Isabel.
user19161
Here comes Don Rob.
Instead of Elizabeth.
You already said that.
18:04
Ron Donaldo.
Donnish rum.
user19161
I prefer Donald Duck. Quack!
@tchrist I wouldn't be surprised if it was Jasper. I took a -92 hit. Not much, really.
Writers Chat, on now in The Overlook. Today, well, I've got a flash fiction exercise to share, and maybe others. Come join. Let's chat.
@Cerberus I believe you mean Willelm. Check out the Bayeux Tapestry again.
So I only got two bloody upvotes out of that guy? Ever? Screw that.
18:06
Yeah. Death, where is thy sting?
user19161
@Robusto I don't think it is me, really.
user19161
Firstly, many others have not been hit at all.
user19161
Come on, I am much more generous than that!
I haven't lost any.
Perhaps he never loved you.
user19161
18:08
Some might loose a 4 digit sum.
@Robusto Is that how they spell it there?
@Cerberus I have seen it spelled that way on the tapestry, yes.
Okay.
Italian also has the l.
user19161
What languages roll the r other than Italian?
Maybe not always. Guilhelmo.
18:11
> Another source, De Obitu Willelmi, states that William was 59 years old when he died in 1087, allowing for either 1028 or 1029.
@JasonBourne Many. Spanish, for example.
Many variants of Dutch and German.
user19161
@Cerberus Ah, but that is a flap and not a roll, are are there both?
@JasonBourne You’ve asked the wrong question.
@JasonBourne Finnish does.
@JasonBourne Those are two different phonemes.
18:13
@JasonBourne Uhh...you need to define what you mean exactly.
But not in Italian.
A "rolling" r is frontal.
Cara mia has no roll.
user19161
I love rolling the r for fun in English.
But it's not an academic term.
18:14
Use IPA SVP.
*alveolar trill, as in Spanish Roberto or perro. *alveolar tap, as in Spanish Roberto or pero.
Follow the links from there.
user19161
Some people can't roll the r!
My friend pretended to speak the Piedmontane accent because he couldn't roll his r.
They have the French r in Piedmonte.
Minimal pair: pero, perro.
user19161
I don't really know languages other than English well, but I would think Italian is the most beautiful language on earth.
18:16
@JasonBourne Because they are using a loose articulation. You need a tight one.
D'oh, that's what the link says.
Roberto has two different r’s.
@JasonBourne Yeah, it is quite elegant.
The Romance languages are generally more elegant.
user19161
@Cerberus Like spaghetti carbonara!
Si, questi!
user19161
18:18
Or tiramisu!
Throw yourself down, next time.
But I don't like tiramisu.
I don't get why people like it so much.
user19161
I liked watching Stanno Tutti Bene.
I hate soggy dough/pastry/crust.
It is odd.
Soggy cake.
Sponge cake well saturated with sponged up liquid.
user19161
18:19
Cheese cake is the next best I guess.
That is too specific.
I can't roll an r.
There are three kinds. Which kind can’t you do?
I hate all kinds of soggy stuff based on baked flour.
@KitFox Aww you sure?
You can start by pronouncing d instead of r.
As in bdead instead of bread.
Nope. Can't.
18:20
Try it!
user19161
She can't roll r just like I can't ride bicycle!
Everybody I know who can't roll his r can still say bdead.
Sidewheels are the answer.
bdead?
Yes!
See?
18:21
I don't even know how to pronounce that.
Do you mean [r] then?
You can do it.
The trick to learning how to do a real [r] is to first convert your [t] from alveolar to dental, then say trick.
Nope. Can't.
Because it forces your tongue to move from the teeth to the ridge. Now repeat.
user19161
18:22
Might even be genetic that some people can't roll r, dunno.
I think I can, I think I can, I think I can.
@JasonBourne No.
user19161
@tchrist There can be miracles when you believe.
Oh. Yeah, I can roll an r.
user19161
QED.
I was just lying just then anyway.
18:23
20 hours ago, by Robusto
I love it when my Chilean colleague refers to table cell elements as "TDs" ... his pronunciation makes it sound like titties.
giggles
Yoy you...
Hello everyone!
user19161
@InglishTeeture Hi! Inglish!
Hello, @Inglish
18:24
You can roll an r but can you roll a sailor? I guess the question answers itself.
user19161
What made you choose such a name @ing?
I can roll anything and have rolled most things.
user19161
Do a barrel roll or does a barrel roll question, haha!
In the epiglottal trill, the larynx is raised and the pharynx constricted, so that the epiglottis vibrates instead of the vocal cords. In the related aryepiglottal trill, the arytenoid cartilages vibrate. Epiglottal consonants are often allophonically trilled, and in some languages the trill is the primary realization of the consonant. Although there is no official symbol for an epiglottal trill in the IPA, ⟨⟩ (reversed ⟨⟩, homographic to Cyrillic ⟨я⟩) is occasionally used in the literature. In some descriptions of the northern dialect of Haida, the term "pharyngeal trill" refers to thi...
Roll that one!
@JasonBourne Just to remind myself that English is a non-phonetic language unlike our native languages such as Hindi :)
18:27
@InglishTeeture Untrue.
user19161
@InglishTeeture Ah! Do you teach English?
English has no shortage of phones and phonemes, not to mention allophones.
@JasonBourne: Not much, but I try to teach.
It has plenty of phonetics.
@tchrist: I may have got the meaning of 'non-phonetic' wrong here. By 'non-phonetic' I refer to pronunciation not always following the spelling.
18:31
The mapping between spelling and pronunciation in English is a complex one.
Perhaps that is what you meant.
I agree.
For us non native English speakers, understanding it is a great challenge, but I enjoy learning the nuances.
I am referring to us, Indians.
ohmigawsh the Jasper backlash kicked in
I lost 5 reps
I'm devastated
@MattЭллен From which question?
It can't be Jasper. I haven't lost any.
By the way, who was this "user19341" who seems to have been deleted? I saw quite a few answers of his posted and selected as best answers today.
18:35
@InglishTeeture When you have a written language spoken by millions upon millions of people who are separated by thousands of miles and hundreds of years, it is inevitable that the mapping between spelling and pronunciation be a complex one, because pronunciation will always drive while the written form remains frozen.
@tchrist I don't know. it doesn't show me. just "-5 User was removed"
@MattЭллен I know. I was intentionally asking a question that is next to impossible to answer.
@tchrist It gets more difficult for us especially because the pronunciation in our native languages strictly follows the way words are written. I mean the logic is there.
@InglishTeeture As I said, that seems to be impossible with a world language like English. Things change. Either you have everybody spelling things their own way, or else you have them all saying things their own way. You must have one or the other. Which do you prefer?
Small languages with little geographic or temporal distribution that have recently come to Romanization do not have this issue.
18:40
@tchrist That's not the reason. Spelling was just never reformed, that's the reason.
@Cerberus Sure it was. Just not so much as you might like. We are stuck with pre-GVS spellings.
@tchrist I am neither complaining nor saying one needs to restore logic in the way English spelling goes. I am only comparing a few of our languages with English and pointing out a unique difference.
@tchrist That's what I mean, of course.
Did you know you can edit previous lines?
Press the Up key.
Up to 2 minutes in the past.
18:42
No, sorry. I am using chat feature on Stackexchange for the first time. Thanks for telling me.
No need to apologise.
Just a tip.
It is time Oxford started work on reforming the spelling. England needs its own academie.
There will be no loss of rep due to Jasper leaving.
5
Oh.
Why is he leaving (again) anyway?
He doesn't look as though he were leaving...
He left already, silly.
But he's chatting here all the time.
18:46
Yeah. He still has his Math.SE account.
Why delete your ELU account if you're still chatting here? What's the point?
Ask him.
Yeah.
Then I am not the only one who's puzzled.
@vitaly can still hear us, if we speak it right.
Can he?
But I don't know how to pronounce his name exactly.
18:51
You have to wrap your lips around it in a certain way.
Isn't a more effective way of calling him by extolling the virtues of religion?
Do you think he still comes to the other place?
His name is still there, but he doesn't seem to speak.
What do I know about him?
He's not interested in me.
Sure he is.
He's just different.
Your kindness is misplaced.
Nah.
19:03
I don't have it in me to lie. I'm pretty sure I would have been burned at the stake.
But people react in the strangest ways to honesty.
Do they?
Indeed.
Honesty can be too blunt sometimes.
Hello there.
19:08
Reg, can you googlefu that crap?
Are you back on German soil?
@Jason, is that you? Again? I already lost 10 reps to you this morning. And zero yesterday. Enough already!
user19341.
Gulp, zero, even?
19:08
You forgot to lmgtfy and bit.ly that.
Why does it say "A North Korean Textbook"?
Doesn't that just make it funnier?
It doesn't make it unfunnier, I'll admit.
So what crap am I supposed to Google today? (Motto copyright Microsoft.)
I was just missing Vitaly.
2 mins ago, by KitFox
user19341.
19:10
You mean I should google "missing Russian opposition leader"?
No, no. The user. The spider was just a red herring.
I don't think this has worked in the past.
Incidental to the deletion.
So I'm not surprised it's not working now.
Oh. Well, Shog said it would work...
19:14
Perhaps given X time.
Anna couldn't locate a user name, so I guess it remains a mystery.
What was ElendilTheTall's ID again? 3347?
3444. Almost.
@KitFox y'all suck at google then.
TOO MUCH BLUE!!!
@Shog9 Show me.
19:15
@Shog9 tell that to me again, but this time with a straight face.
oh, wait, you said straight face
That is not a straight face. That isn't even a gay face.
Keep your metrosexualism in the closet.
keeps getting hair gel all over the coats
Product, silly.
Anyway, I Googled, and I Yandexed, and I Ramblered, and I am about to Bing and Cuil.
19:17
Not hair gel.
Something says me the last step will get me some juicy porn. But still no userXXXXX.
Of course not. Because you're not looking for "user*nnnnn*". You're looking for the person he was.
Nonsense.
There was never anyone named user3444 on EL&U
Kit told me to google for "user19341", so I googled for "user19341". That's how well we understand one another.
19:19
There was never anyone named that on EL&U either
@Shog9 Ah, you mean the other way round?
Wait, that makes even less sense.
Because all his stuffs here all say user3444 now.
I don't know who user19341 was.
Plus I have no idea who user19341 even was.
jinx!
I iz confoos.
Sure. If you want to find all the stuff now attributed to user19341, then you'd google "user19341". If you want to find out who Google thought the user with that ID was a day ago...
19:20
. . .
Ah okay. But that's where we meet.
Because I just said, we can wait for period of time X, then google again.
Which is where user3444 comes in in the first place.
Then you'll learn nothing, 'cause the old info will have expired.
That is true.
But at least now I understand who wants what here.
So yeah, Kit. Ask whoever it was who gave you the ID to give you the name.
She said she couldn't. She couldn't find it.
So. My job here is dun.
19:23
Well, that was a long way around for nothing.
Oh. That.
Well. Talk to the kit cuz the reg ain't listening.
How come a deleted user’s Q&A votes are nullified (and hence the reputation backslash upon their demise), but not their close or delete votes? Or do they? I can’t say I’ve looked, nor noticed.
@tchrist They probably are. Doesn't change anything that already happened though. You can't retract a close vote.
19:25
(and if you could, it'd still have to be done in a way that wouldn't un-close closed questions, or all hell'd break loose)
That’s what I was thinking. The unclosed things would really pith off the frogs.
So. I googled for that user now.
Google has two names for him. One I barely remember. Can't say anything about his contributions. The other one I saw just today. This morning.
19:41
@Cerberus Yes.
@MattЭллен You're the smartest kid in class, aren't you?
Only because I have the best teacher
Thanks!!

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