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3:07 PM
Note how irrigation is an antonym of rigation, much like de rigueur.
So we have this
but they want this?
Shia Islam

Proposed Q&A site for who want to know about Shia Islam to compare and find real Islam and God among sects of Muslims. also for who want to know about political ideologies of Shia countries and groups for example (not limited to) Iran, Hezbollah and other Shia countries.

Currently in definition.

they should have just made religion.se and said "that's all you get. Plus you have tags. go fuckin' nuts."
I thought we had that.
Except it was called Atheism.SE.
Q: Should I use "didn't" or "did'nt"?

YatharthROCKTitle says it all. In contractions, should I use: didn't, doesn't, haven't or should I use: did'nt, does'nt, have'nt

3:14 PM
You misspelled LOL.
What we need is not more SE single-topic sites, but a few SD (Smackdown) sites: Atheism-v-Christianity.SD, Islam-v-Everyone.SD, Linux-v-Windows.SD. The possibilities are endless, and endlessly entertaining.
That guy posted a GR question and answered it himself, geezis.
He's populating us.
He really had me LOLing.
@Robusto English-vs-Patents sounds good. @Cerberus would be all over it.
3:15 PM
@ЯegDwight He would also love XP-v-Win7.SD.
Also, Debian vs Ubuntu.
They already have wikivs @rob.
@WillHunting we really need a better site title. Like, We Already Know All About Apostrophe's, or just People With Grasp, or simpler still, Old Men in New Cars.
@WillHunting Not the same thing.
Old Men in New Cars (), (2002) is a Danish action comedy film directed by Lasse Spang Olsen. The movie stars Kim Bodnia, Nikolaj Lie Kaas, and Tomas Villum Jensen. It is a prequel to Olsen's 1999 comedy In China They Eat Dogs. Synopsis The last wish of the dying "Monk" is for his foster child, Harald, to find his real son, Ludvig. But the latter is currently in a Swedish prison cell. Peter and Martin - the two chefs - want to get him out and soon father and son meet for the first time in their lives. They get on from the word go, but now dad needs a liver transplant and Ludvig and Harald ...
Is there anyone here who thinks that Swedish sounds like Tamil?
You, apparently.
3:22 PM
That's the impression I get after watching some Swedish movies.
Swedish sounds more like "sweetish" to my ear.
@WillHunting Perhaps you should also watch some Tamil ones. Just an idea.
@ЯegDwight I watched many of those, but perhaps they were in Hindi instead.
Those Bollywood movies are awesome. The hero can fly several metres into the air.
You do know how to switch the audio track from Swedish to something else?
3:24 PM
That something else is "mute". There is nothing else.
There are only English subtitles.
@WillHunting Any airline passenger can fly 10,000 meters into the air.
I think all movies should be watched in their original language with subtitles.
@WillHunting Only if they translate metres into yards.
Otherwise it is just too annoying.
@tchrist your Perl can't do that?
3:26 PM
@ЯegDwight All questions that begin with “Can Perl ...” have answers in the affirmative.
Can Perl kill Margaret Thatcher with a donut?
Whether it fits in the space of an 80-column punch card is a different matter.
Of course it can.
@tchrist His question had "can't [Perl]", should it be answered in the negative?
@ЯegDwight It is interesting that Thatcher and Hatcher are both last names.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don’t answer negative questions. I restate them in the positive.
3:28 PM
@WillHunting you misspelled uninteresting.
@tchrist Can Perl sing in a voice more lovely than mine? Achtung, trick question!
Extended metaphors will buy you flying pigs.
can perl buy me an extended metaphor that doesn't buy me flying pigs?
Extended metaphors? How are those different from intended metaphors?
It is interesting that there are "extent" and "extant".
That what are?
3:31 PM
Quite clearly.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 We did Russell yesterday.
I did not have sexual relationships with that man, Mr Russell.
Ah, sorry. I was working yesterday.
@ЯegDwight K, Bill.
3:33 PM
@ЯegDwight Rather, the comma should be omitted.
@WillHunting why would that nonsense come to be from nonexistence where it belongs to?
@ЯegDwight I certainly would; but I believe the large majority of computer guys shares my opinion, so there would hardly be a vs.
Why or why did I just read that as "computer gays"...
@Cerberus You should take a look at Windows 8. I think you will like it.
@ЯegDwight Two guesses, and the first doesn’t count.
3:35 PM
@tchrist Be my guess.
@ЯegDwight ... that's your problem.
@Cerberus thank you, Shakespeare.
@WillHunting From what I have seen, I doubt it.
@ЯegDwight Shakespeare? Why disparage the man so?
@ЯegDwight That was the one that doesn’t count. Now try the dog.
Q: Should I use "didn't" or "did'nt"?

YatharthROCKTitle says it all. In contractions, should I use: didn't, doesn't, haven't or should I use: did'nt, does'nt, have'nt

3:36 PM
-7 now.
@Cerberus "To gay or not to gay, that's your problem". Backtranslation from Belorussian.
Ah, I see.
@ЯegDwight Reminds me of vgv8.
You have funny (and tenuous) associations.
Are you sure it wasn't your internal voice saying "Computer says: no."?
I wonder if vgv8 and trg787 are still alive.
3:37 PM
Can either of you switch to a real icon?
All this purple is confusing.
Purple is pretty.
I am a real icon.
@Cerberus OK, I will find something better by the month end, and also change my username back.
That's too far into the future!
I keep replying to the wrong person.
Be patient, WIP!
3:38 PM
I'm not a Wip!!
Right, you're a Wimp.
You are a finished work then?
So that's what it was.
3:39 PM
That's a real ICON
Is it?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 and tchrist has switched to it, decades ago.
It is better than those silly purple things.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I think I have never seen such an ugly thing before.
3:39 PM
Passionate people prefer purpureal plums pleasantly plump.
@ЯegDwight I dunno. I'm not sure they were available outside of Canada.
By the way, does @mrs ping you?
Heyyy do I see my computer in there?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You saying tchrist never visited?
Or is it a microwave?
3:40 PM
@ЯegDwight he also would have had to have been a school board.
@tchrist Just change your icon!
@WillHunting apparently not.
@Cerberus Don’t be silly, filly.
Another test. How about @mr.?
@WillHunting yes
3:41 PM
People, people. As a moderator I suggest a compromise. How about @Cerberus changes his icon and all is good and well.
That seems just.
@tchrist Why not?
@cer I will change mine but I cannot think of anything permanent now...
@ЯegDwight Impossible!
@Cerberus Because I like mine.
3:42 PM
But it's random!
3 mins ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇
user image
@Cerberus I would like you to change it to...your photo!
This ^.
@WillHunting That's not allowed.
@Cerberus Are you afraid you will get many fans?
This guy in the other room changed his avatar to another user's pic, scary...
3:43 PM
Mine is me. I use it so I don't get fans.
But the other user did not mind so everything's fine.
That's creepy.
@Cerberus ‪Because I like mine.
@Cerberus ‪‪Because I like mine.
@Cerberus ‪‪‪Because I like mine.
@AndrewLeach Well, you have your own charm, really.
@AndrewLeach Ohhh Andrew! Wooohoo, he's here, guys! May I have your autograph?
3:44 PM
@AndrewLeach That means you don't have to worry about fan-death.
@WillHunting It worked for the Chilis.
@Cerberus Careful. I might use some of my charm.
However what I would like changed is...all the stupid characters in the usernames!
@AndrewLeach What, to do charm the socks off him? You can’t do that, you know.
@AndrewLeach Oh noes! swoons
@ЯegDwight I am not sure if that is a tail or something else.
Note how it's purple.
@WillHunting that's what she said.
Screaming pink.
3:47 PM
@tchrist sorry what?
His name was Fuchs. As in fox.
@ЯegDwight Who is she?
Fuchsian I heard of, not Fuschian.
@ЯegDwight Hmm...
@tchrist Fuchsia. FTFY
But that was someone throwing a bucket of paint at me.
3:48 PM
@Unsliced: well, "fuchsia" derives from the name of one of the founding fathers of botany, Leonhart Fuchs. Before there's any misunderstanding, I am not arguing that [ˈfʊksja] is by any measure a correct English pronunciation. I am merely pointing out that personally, I can't wrap my head around pronouncing that man's name as [fjuːʃ]. And I am only mentioning that at all because I interpret this question as asking for subjective opinions. Otherwise, the second paragraph in my answer is completely off-topic, no discussion about that. — ЯegDwight Oct 6 '10 at 11:15
I didn't duck in time.
@Cerberus It wasn't a bucket, and it wasn't paint.
@ЯegDwight why is it humping a hobbit home
I think that's approximately around the last time I used IPA on this site.
@ЯegDwight I find the screaming pink herpetophallus troubling.
3:49 PM
@ЯegDwight Is there an API for IPA? Or do you have to run it backwards?
@ЯegDwight I still think that is a very good argument. Pronunciations based on folk etymology are so bad.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 why not? How often do you get a chance? No seriously, how often do you get the chance?
@Robusto Then I don't want to know.
In mathematics, a Fuchsian group is a discrete subgroup of PSL(2,R). The group PSL(2,R) can be regarded as a group of isometries of the hyperbolic plane, or conformal transformations of the unit disc, or conformal transformations of the upper half plane, so a Fuchsian group can be regarded as a group acting on any of these spaces. There are some variations of the definition: sometimes the Fuchsian group is assumed to be finitely generated, sometimes it is allowed to be a subgroup of PGL(2,R) = PSL(2,R).2 (so that it contains orientation-reversing elements) and sometimes it is allowed to be ...
@ЯegDwight Well, I have the chance to hump many things, maybe not hobbit homes per se, yet somehow they don't appeal to me at all.
3:50 PM
Der Appetit kommt beim Essen.
Eine Kleine Nachtmusik.
Almost there.
Every OVER 9000th time you fix one mistake.
Eine kleine Nachtmusik.
@WillHunting Er isst, weil er ist.
BTW, did everyone notice how tchrist outed himself as a girl?
3:54 PM
@Robusto ⁴⁄₄
@ЯegDwight I do color-theory, you know.
@ЯegDwight Let's mauve on from that. It's not on today's magenta.
Which is pretty good for a mere trichromat.
I am not interested in your sexual preferences.
3:55 PM
Girls can be tetras.
Neon tetras.
@tchrist So can fish.
Neon is best.
Who the hell writes ⁴⁄₄ for C?
Especially orchid-colored.
Preferably with dominant ultraviolet spectral components.
@ЯegDwight are they shitting me or are some of those colours duplicated
like "flora" and "sea foam"
3:56 PM
@tchrist That's the longest you ever ignored the chance to post a Unicode.
That’s cut time.
Not common time.
That was additional bait.
See how much ignorance is going on on your part?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 They're different on my screen.
I prefer cisatlantic flirtations.
@ЯegDwight That looks like the cent.
3:58 PM
Here's a ¶ for your header. Now you can sleep more comfortably.
@WillHunting just why did I know you would say that.
 ¢  000A2      CENT SIGN
@tchrist thank you. My job here is done.
Spieleabend time!
4:00 PM
Der aß.
@AndrewLeach huh, colour picker says they are too. I can't see it at all and I wonder if it's me or my screen.
@ЯegDwight Looks very sexy.
3 mins ago, by ЯegDwight
@WillHunting just why did I know you would say that.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Could be either. But have you ever been tested for color-blindness?
You should see the Turkish original.
4:02 PM
@ЯegDwight Because you are my better half?
@ЯegDwight Resembles Shia la Beouf.
No. No, no, no. No. God, no.
I'm also not your worse half.
You are just the same half. We are one!
Funny you'd mention Shia la Beouf as soon as I mention nonono.
@WillHunting Would that be your left half or your right half?
4:04 PM
And I'm not here.
@WillHunting Would that be your front half or your back half?
@WillHunting Would that be your top half or your bottom half?
Flora = #82F378, Seafoam = #82F493.
@Robusto Not officially, no. But I'm pretty sure I have some reduced sensitivity to colours.
@tchrist In general, I like people to walk on my left. I feel more comfy that way.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It's a very slight distinction.
4:05 PM
I have a hard time distinguishing between two shades if they don't contrast enough, even if other people can say which is blue and which is black from 200 meters in a dark room.
I can't see laser pointer dots on far away objects even though everyone else apparently can.
Ohh not Tarkan!
@WillHunting Do you have a left arm?
@tchrist Guide dogs are trained to walk on their owner's right.
You could probably see them if you had them side by side with no intervening space. I built a little app for web colors about ten years ago that would let you do that, among other things. I'll see if I can dig up a link.
4:07 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Really? Because I feel that there is some placebo effect going on with dark blue v. navy. At some point, people have decided that those trousers are "clearly" dark blue, and thence keep insisting that they are.
@tchrist I have lost many things but I still have four limbs.
In my experience, everyone has trouble distinguising very dark blue and black in clothing, on a daily basis.
@WillHunting I think I have your keys.
Are you left-handed?
@Robusto Agreed. I always lay some black object on the pants or whatever. If they look even a tiny bit more bluish, they're blue.
Just because two things have the same RGB values doesn’t mean they are the same color.
4:09 PM
By the way, I can tell your from experience that all young Turks want to be Tarkan and that they dress like him, earrings and all.
@tchrist They should be the same color on the same computer/monitor combination.
@tchrist Yes, I am.
@Robusto Nope, color is a pigment of the imagination. It is the product of human cognition. It does not "exist" outside of that reference frame.
Those two dots have the same RGB but are of different colors.
Have a nice day.
@tchrist Depends on your definition.
@Cerberus Why thank you, Humpty!
4:17 PM
This shows Flora and Seafoam together. The latter on top, the former on the bottom in the right panel.
@tchrist You can't make such absolutist claims in this context.
Flora only goes with Fauna, not Seafoam.
If you really can't see a difference, you may be having problems with your monitor or your eyes. Or your brain. Wevs.
Oh, I guarantee you that those two different colors have the same RGB. It requires no absolutism, whatever that would be.
@tchrist No, they have different RGB values. Not the same.
4:19 PM
But you’re a dog, so what would you know about colors?
Oh, you're talking to Cerb.
Yes, Rob.
I blame the chat interface.
@tchrist Perhaps his monochromaticism is in three colours.
@Robusto Hmmm I can only barely, barely see the difference.
4:20 PM
Color can only occur in the mind of the human observer.
@tchrist It is quite possible that dogs know more about colours than we do!
Too much interfering stuff around those two colours.
@WillHunting No, it isn’t.
@tchrist You don't even understand the problem, apparently, so never mind.
Dogs have no understanding of human color cognition.
4:22 PM
@Robusto On my monitor they are nearly indistinguishable to me, even side by side. It is at least partly the monitor's fault because as I scroll the page and move the image up/down the viewing angle affects the colour that I see.
@Cerberus You should only barely, barely see a difference. They are very close.
@Cerberus Ok, Humpty.
It is interesting there are RGB and BGR.
@Robusto Yeah, but I would believe you if you said they were identical.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ohh lemme try.
@Cerberus Well, you're running XP, after all ...
4:23 PM
@Cerberus Don't be surprised if your monitor performs better than mine in that regard. These are fairly cheap dell monitors I'm using. Great for work, not great for accurate colour.
I always wonder what XP stood for...
@Robusto He probably doesn’t even have a color-calibrated monitor.
I have never found out.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hmm that doesn't happen for me. Viewing angle does make them both darker/lighter a tiny bit, at fairly high angles.
Without which, all bets are off.
4:24 PM
@Robusto Silence! I will try adjusting my brightness/contrast.
Rerun your hardware color calibration.
I had a client who complained that the colors on the web site I made for him were different on his PC and his son's Mac. I explained that the price he was paying me did not include me going to all the monitors in the world and calibrating them to give identical colors.
@WillHunting It's rather ironic. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_programming
@Robusto Although, to be fair: I have found that sometimes, the client (i.e. the browser) does something with colour correction that you can control
Besides, Macs and PCs have different white points, different gamma, etc., etc.
4:26 PM
@Robusto Also, different prices. The apple costs a few hundred dollars.
@Robusto If you are running a calibrated monitor, that won’t matter.
I made a shitty "coming soon" page for themouseandthebean.com that had a single png with a brown border and the HTML body was set to the same rgb brown colour.
But for some reason Firefox used some embedded colour calibration info in the PNG to adjust the display colour of the image (but didn't adjust the web page in the same way).
@tchrist Well, in the real world it does. I have calibrated different monitors on the same machine and come up with different results, side by side.
@WillHunting It stands for "Experience"
What does sRGB / 6500K / 9300K mean?
4:28 PM
Rob, this one’s for you.
I don’t have all week.
Color temperature is a characteristic of visible light that has important applications in lighting, photography, videography, publishing, manufacturing, astrophysics, horticulture, and other fields. The color temperature of a light source is the temperature of an ideal black body radiator that radiates light of comparable hue to that of the light source. Color temperature is conventionally stated in the unit of absolute temperature, the kelvin, having the unit symbol K. Color temperatures over are called cool colors (blueish white), while lower color temperatures (2,700–3,000 K) ...
You forgot one.
A color model is an abstract mathematical model describing the way colors can be represented as tuples of numbers, typically as three or four values or color components (e.g. RGB and CMYK are color models). However, a color model with no associated mapping function to an absolute color space is a more or less arbitrary color system with no connection to any globally understood system of color interpretation. Adding a certain mapping function between the color model and a certain reference color space results in a definite "footprint" within the reference color space. This "footprint" is ...
Here's a colorblindness simulator: webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/2.html
So it just means cooler v. warmer colours?
4:31 PM
I've set it to the warmest colours, then.
Go read both those articles.
@Cerberus Did you read the whole article?
I was just wondering to set my monitor to.
Set it to daylight.
At sea level.
At noon.
On the solstice.
@Cerberus whatever you set it to will look wrong.
4:33 PM
But why!
After you change it, walk away from the computer
go make a sandwich and eat it.
I'm setting it back to what I had.
or take a nap.
Then when you come back it will be fine.
Contrast is worse now.
4:33 PM
Hopeless, just hopeless.
@Cerberus contrast is relative
I guess.
maybe it is supposed to be worse where you perceive it to be worse.
I meant the difference between the two shades of beige in this chat.
Background v. your line.
Barely visible at the leftmost setting.
sure, maybe the difference is intended to be really subtle.
4:35 PM
Beige seems quite rare these days.
Color vision is the ability of an organism or machine to distinguish objects based on the wavelengths (or frequencies) of the light they reflect, emit, or transmit. Colors can be measured and quantified in various ways; indeed, a human's perception of colors is a subjective process whereby the brain responds to the stimuli that are produced when incoming light reacts with the several types of cone photoreceptors in the eye. Wavelength and hue detection Isaac Newton discovered that white light splits into its component colors when passed through a dispersive prism, but that if those b...
@WillHunting Just look at this page and you'll see it.
Chromatic adaptation is one aspect of vision that may fool someone into observing a color-based optical illusion, such as the same color illusion. An object may be viewed under various conditions. For example, it may be illuminated by sunlight, the light of a fire, or a harsh electric light. In all of these situations, human vision perceives that the object has the same color: an apple always appears red, whether viewed at night or during the day. On the other hand, a camera with no adjustment for light may register the apple as having varying color. This feature of the visual system is ca...
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But I don't want to be Monica!
Color constancy is an example of subjective constancy and a feature of the human color perception system which ensures that the perceived color of objects remains relatively constant under varying illumination conditions. A green apple for instance looks green to us at midday, when the main illumination is white sunlight, and also at sunset, when the main illumination is red. This helps us identify objects. Color vision Color vision is a process by which organisms and machines are able to distinguish objects based on the different wavelengths of light reflected, transmitted, or emitte...
4:36 PM
@tchrist While we are on eye topics, have you seen the dancing girl illusion?
I have to $job. @Cerberus needs to read all those articles.
The Spinning Dancer, also known as the silhouette illusion, is a kinetic, bistable optical illusion resembling a pirouetting female dancer. The illusion, created in 2003 by web designer Nobuyuki Kayahara, involves the apparent direction of motion of the figure. Some observers initially see the figure as spinning clockwise (viewed from above) and some counterclockwise. The illusion derives from the lack of visual cues for depth. For instance, as the dancer's arms move from viewer's left to right, it is possible to view her arms passing between her body and the viewer (that is, in the fo...
@Cerberus Monica?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 She couldn't see the empty check marks, somehow.
So she couldn't accept answers.
4:40 PM
It was weird.
well, I've complained to .... I forget his name, the designer of the stack themes, on several occasions because I found it really hard to distinguish between things on the screen that were probably screamingly obvious to him.

 EL&U Blog

Discussion for the EL&U Blog. For more info see meta.english.s...
blog discussion. all takres welcome
@Cerberus On the blog, for example, some of the hyperlinks are so dark red that they look black to me.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I think Jin designed us?
yes, Jin is his name.
4:46 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Huh, really? They look very different to me.
Just dark red.
The followed links are brighter and easy for me to see, but unfollowed links are too dark. I basically have to wave my mouse around looking for links.
Hmm I don't have that at all.
5:18 PM
Now I am listening to Tarkan songs.
@ЯegDwight How does it feel, having this on your conscience?
1 hour later…
6:37 PM
2 hours later…
8:35 PM
anyone listening to this right now? bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01mdj96 "Fry's English Delight", fun stuff
8:46 PM
@Cerberus I see Axel Neumann suddenly has an 83% accept rate.
9:23 PM
@Zairja listened to it this morning. the letter X?
9:41 PM
> Bere is made of malte, of hoppes, and water: it is a naturall drynke for a Dutche man. And nowe of late dayes it is moche vsed in Englande to the detryment of many Englysshe men.
Nothing of substance can be added to that, so good night.
I suppose a twist of lemon doesn’t count as substantial.
9:57 PM
@tchrist Depends on what it's twisted into.
10:26 PM
Q: What is the approximate size (as in number of rules) of a state-of-the-art, comprehensive English grammar?

Yan King YinI mean computational formulations, but other relevant information is welcome. Thanks!

@tchrist Interesting.
I don’t think he’s gotten very far into the field.
Or maybe he thinks that once he writes enough rules, he can stop doing that?
I wouldn’t even know how to go about coming up with an answer to his question, given the way modern sadistical [sic] parsers work.

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