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2:00 PM
@Vitaly: Have you heard of Goodman's Paradox, in which he introduces the colour "grue"?
Henry Nelson Goodman (7 August 1906, Somerville, Massachusetts – 25 November 1998, Needham, Massachusetts) was an American philosopher, known for his work on counterfactuals, mereology, the problem of induction, irrealism and aesthetics. Career Goodman graduated from Harvard University, A.B., magna cum laude (1928). During the 1930s, he ran an art gallery in Boston, Massachusetts while studying for a Harvard Ph.D. in philosophy, which he completed in 1941. His experience as an art dealer helps explain his later turn towards aesthetics, where he became better known than in logic an...
Makes me hate that kind of philosophy so much.
 
@Cerberus You just can't help yourself, can you?
 
@MattЭллен Must be. It has made my husband royally pissed off.
Pre-K registration is postponed again.
 
The extremely simple solution is, as often, "people use information they gleaned from context" (to distinguish between generalized induction and simply contingent observation).
 
Play Pals is cancelled.
 
@Robusto raises eyebrows
 
2:01 PM
And I am hiding out upstairs trying to finish these stoopid screenshots.
 
@KitFox :( many annoying things all at once.
 
Stoopid day.
And my eldest asked me this morning why I was home, and when I said it was a snow day, he said "YES! Does that mean you can play with me today?"
droops a little
 
awwwww :(
 
@MattЭллен Hmm what do you think? I'll grant him (4.), but his other three objections I disagree with.
 
This is my first question on this site. I hope it is appropriate. Any feedback is most welcome!
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Q: Is "get" (in the sense of become / make) appropriate for formal writing?

SzabolcsIs the use of "get + participle" appropriate for formal writing (for example, scientific papers)? I am thinking of usages analogous to get fat get inflated get sick where the meaning is "become". What about cases where the meaning is "make (sg)", such as get (it) done get (her) dressed...

 
2:04 PM
And I think SWRs are a bit different.
@Szabolcs Hi, welcome!
 
@Robusto Twit.
 
@KitFox Aww...did you get to finish your work yesterday?
 
@Szabolcs Hi, welcome.
I think your question might fit better on Writers.SE though.
 
@Cerberus Frankly I don't understand how the colour grue has anything to do with induction. Things that change over time are necessarily excluded from inductive proofs that don't account for time, or else the proof is simply invalid. So what is his problem?
 
2:05 PM
@Szabolcs Good question!
 
What do you think, everyone else?
@Cerberus No, I still have ten left.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Well, I'm not sure "grue" would be a colour; a property, rather.
 
@KitFox I think it falls under "usage"
 
@KitFox Maybe: it would probably fit on Writers just as well.
 
@Cerberus I find that SWRs in a few circumstances agree with 1. It's not practical to sit an guess what someone's interpretation of their poorly articulated thoughts are. But a lot of SWRs are well articulated
 
2:07 PM
@Cerberus I am writing a paper and the first usage of get would be the easiest way to express some things ("points get inserted into the lattice"), but I feel a little uneasy about it. I am not sure if I ever read something like this in formal contexts.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I could go either way.
 
@Cerberus either way, the point is that if what "grue" means changes over time, but your induction about "grue" is based on a subset of time, of course it will fail outside that subset. Duh
 
@Szabolcs I think I would just use "Points are inserted into the lattice."
 
@Szabolcs Yes, I'm with @Kit, use "are" in this case
 
@MattЭллен Oh, yes, what I meant was that I think SWRs are worse than questions like "what was this cartoon where a grey cat always chases after a brown mouse". I think 1–3 don't really apply to the latter, but they may apply to SWRs.
@Szabolcs I agree with Kit too.
 
2:09 PM
Thanks for the feedback! I hope the question is not too basic for the main site.
 
@Cerberus you think a SWR is WORSE than asking someone to try to guess what it is that you're thinking based on a half-remembered dream?
 
Out of curiosity, are all of you native speakers?
 
@Szabolcs I wouldn't say it's too basic. I'm just trying to decide if it is more appropriate on Writers, since it is about style.
 
"I would like a word that means X and Y but not Z and connotes A" is worse than "Once I saw this movie about this guy, do you know what it was called?"
 
@Szabolcs "Get" is more informal than "are", but it's not that informal, so it wouldn't be a real problem if you used "get", probably; but then, if you have the choice, why not simply pick "are"?
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Dream?
 
2:10 PM
@Szabolcs I am
@Cerberus hyperbole
 
I wouldn't use "get" in a formal context unless it meant "to obtain" or I was talking about code.
 
Okay, let me go back to my writing for a while, I must produce a draft by tonight :-)
 
Good luck!
 
@Cerberus On the whole I don't think SWRs can help others, because they are very specific to a person's needs at a specific point in time. I suppose we could work like a reverse thesaurus at times, but I think that would be very infrequent
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 The difference is that there is a single definitive answer to the cartoon question: Tom and Jerry.
 
2:12 PM
@MattЭллен Which is why we have strict criteria for SWRs.
 
@KitFox right, but are they adhered to?
 
@Szabolcs Good luck! It also depends on your publisher: if most similar articles in your field are rather formal, don't use "get" in that way.
 
And I have actually found some of those questions helpful when I was searching for something similar.
@MattЭллен We try to.
 
@KitFox well that's good
I'm just going on intuition
 
@MattЭллен Yes, they could, but...perhaps not very often.
I dislike most SWRs.
 
2:13 PM
Damn it, GIMP!
 
what's he done now?
 
@Cerberus So it's better to try to guess what someone is thinking in a totally useless context based on someone's memory because there is a definite answer?
 
punches computer
 
@Szabolcs Oh, I see you are asking in here. I just answered your question on the site proper.
 
Instead of introducing someone to a variety of words that might meet his/her purposes, depending on the situation?
 
2:14 PM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 It's not useless.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I'm more annoyed about the fact that I like them now that JA has said he doesn't.
 
@Cerberus No, what I mean is, "help me label this memory of mine" is useless for everyone else.
 
@Robusto Thanks for the answer! I posted the question on main just before I came here.
 
@Cerberus I'm with Mr Shiny on this. guessing half remembered things is less worthwhile than pinning a word to a particular meaning.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Why? People might Google "grey cat brown mouse cartoon" and find the answer.
 
2:15 PM
@KitFox yes!
 
@Robusto It's pretty clear after all the feedback, but (on other SE sites) I like to wait for a day before I click the checkmark
 
I was thinking the same thing as i read the blog post :D
 
@MattЭллен Worthwhile in what way? It's just a hit and miss: either you think of T&J or you don't, and, if you do, the OP is happy, and people after him who Google the same.
 
@Cerberus in your particular example, yes, they might, but they'd also find it if anyone wrote an article about that cartoon. But in other cases there's so many different ways to describe a particular thing that there's no way for google to link any two questions about something to a particular item.
 
@Cerberus because I value English higher than cartoons I suppose.
 
2:17 PM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 But sometimes with the right description you get it anyway.
 
Like, "a game where you go around with a crowbar" or "a game where a giant plant tries to smash you when you make noise", those are the same game I'm talking about. Or "a game where one of the guns is a bit like a vacuum cleaner that shoots a laser"
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 How are they going to find that article and know it is worth their time to read it? // If there are different ways, a certain number of people are still likely to Google for similar words.
 
I once found a movie I had been looking for for ages because I Googled "doll with diamonds in its head in well"
 
What is SWR?
 
And someone had asked it on a forum.
 
2:18 PM
jinx
 
Jinx
 
@MattЭллен Right, but then the question is, why do we have a site about cartoon? Okay, I think we don't, but then take Scifi.
 
meta-jinx
 
@KitFox Exactly like this. I do that too.
 
@MattЭллен hands over coke
 
2:19 PM
woohoo! I think that's the first one I've won :D
 
Ah, of course.
 
@Robusto It's good to know some of us have been shielded from this pestilence all the while.
 
I think a SWR is better precisely because every answer is potentially valuable. Whereas a "remember this thing for me" is not, because only one answer is right.
 
@Cerberus I still can't find the one with the boy who carved the horse that the other boy stomped on and also mean boy dangled kitten over cliff, but I think that might actually have been a British series.
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 So any question that has only one definitive answer is bad?
 
2:21 PM
@Cerberus I didn't vote for it, and I don't participate in it. It's valuable to those who find it so. I think this site is way more valuable
 
@Cerberus you and your putting words in my mouth.
 
@Cerberus Because those are the questions we are supposed to be asking here.
 
@KitFox Haha very nice description. I'll keep it in mind.
 
@KitFox is it "The Good Son"?
That's an American film, though
 
@MattЭллен I don't think so. That's very recent, isn't it? This would have been back in the 80s probably.
 
2:22 PM
@Cerberus I'm trying to explain why I find SWRs better than "figure out what I'm thinking" questions. SWRs are good in that potentially every answer is good, for the asker and for everyone.
 
@MattЭллен No, I'm pretty sure these were Brit boys in short pants, but I can't be positive.
 
@KitFox yeah it's 2000 at the earliest
 
@MattЭллен I agree: I've always wondered about what kind of short questions (with equally short answers) would be both semi-academic and about novels, but not literary criticism.
 
The Good Son came out in '93
 
oh, well colour me wrong then!
 
2:23 PM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 So that means they are more or less open-ended polls...
 
@Cerberus Well, maybe? I don't know. I am certainly not trying to make a case that SWR are the best questions we could have here. Just that they're better than "identify this X I can't remember"
Anyway: fossilized dragons:
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I guess it depends on your definition.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Wow! I didn't know such dinosaurs existed.
 
Hello
 
2:30 PM
Does one of you people happen to have a grocery receipt handy (in English)?
 
wrt guessing games Bill The Lizard says:
> They are fun while they last, but I think these types of questions generally fail the “adds more signal than noise” test.

I think chat would be the best place for these if your site has an active chat room. If you can come up with a good enough description to interest other people they can star them so they stay pinned in the sidebar for a while. Other people can reply directly back to you if they know the answer, so the one person these questions actually help will get the answer.
 
I need a picture of one, to use in a place where copyright might be a problem, so I can't use a Google result
 
I'd probably have some at home, but not in the office
I think that Bill's on to something
 
And because there aren't any grocery stores which print recipes in English here, I thought I'd ask if you could give me a snapshot.
 
is it urgent, or can you wait @rumtscho?
 
2:33 PM
@MattЭллен I'd rather wait than not have any :)
 
if you're still looking in 4 hours, I'll dig one out for you :)
 
@MattЭллен this would be very nice, thank you.
 
@MattЭллен I would ask in chat myself. But I think you have more chance of getting the right answer if you post it as a question, so chat doesn't work as well. And as Kit and I said earlier I think the same question can often help other people too who Google for similar words.
 
chat is googlable too
Googleable?
 
@rumtscho Don't you have an English book shop nearby? Those usually have English receipts.
 
2:35 PM
 
but a question will get a lot more exposure on the site, that's true
 
LMGTFY
 
@MattЭллен True; I was just countering the argument that "noöne else profits from such a question". Besides, aren't chat results much lower in the Google rankings?
 
@Cerberus yes, with the exception of bellicophagery
 
@Robusto I suggested that too, but she needs one that couldn't possibly have any copyright on it.
So if someone else took that picture...
@MattЭллен Ahhhh!
muffled sounds
 
2:36 PM
:D
 
Hmm ... go to the store, make a purchase ...
 
She may not have stores in her town that have English receipts.
 
Well, it turns out you should stay away from those receipts: newsfeed.time.com/2010/07/27/…
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
 
now even shopping is an extreme sport!
will I get poisoned from small traces of a chemical?!
 
@MattЭллен Depends on the chemical. But journalists have to have something scary enough to get you to read their articles, right?
 
2:40 PM
@MattЭллен just don't eat your receipts and you'll be fine.
 
@Robusto Oh yes. it's how the Daily Mail makes its money. Everything can give you cancer, and some of those things can cure it too!
@MrShinyandNew安宇 omnomnomnomnom wha?
 
@MattЭллен Remember, I used the word journalists. I don't think that applies to The Daily Mail. Or any News Corp. organization, for that matter.
 
@Robusto oh! sorry, you're right :D
 
> the substance has been linked to several types of health problems in animals including ... diminished intellectual capacity and behavioral abnormalities.
OMG I think I have this!
 
@Robusto although the Daily Mail isn't News Corp
 
2:45 PM
jumps around in odd, prancing leaps
 
@Cerberus hmmmmm, I think further tests will need to be carried out.
 
@MattЭллен what, the transcript isn't enough?
 
@MattЭллен This ^.
 
@Cerberus can you rub your belly while poking out your tongue and singing your national anthem?
 
@MattЭллен OMG I'm a freak, I can't do it!!
 
2:47 PM
@MattЭллен You're right. But my statement doesn't necessarily imply that the Daily Mail is a News Corp. organization.
 
I don't know the national anthem.
 
@MattЭллен Now try it standing on your head while rubbing one out with your other hand.
 
@Cerberus that's quite normal.
i think you might have hypocondria
 
Oh nooo not hypochondria!
I feel terrible.
Must. Get. To Doctor.
 
2:49 PM
I knew it!
 
it's all those chemicals you keep eating
the dihydrogen oxide in a cup of tea or coffee is enough to kill you
 
Haha, I just got down-voted because someone "wasn't sure" my answer fit the OP's ideas. And it's the one Szbalocs just thanked me for in chat here. Ain't no justice.
 
link them to chat!
Oh, it's only Kris.
 
@MattЭллен pours another cup
 
3:04 PM
@MattЭллен If you get it in your lungs, very definitely. In fact, one of the little-known secrets of the Titanic disaster was that dihydrogen oxide was responsible for most of the deaths.
 
@Cerberus gasp such reckless behaviour.
 
Hey, life is short, and the sun may go out any moment.
Oh, wait, that was the Dying Earth by Jack Vance.
 
@Cerberus You can make your life seem longer by going to church a lot.
 
@Robusto Or by arguing with Cerberus a lot
 
3:07 PM
(@Cerberus I kid , I kid)
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 There is a difference? In both cases one confronts long sermons of a dogmatic nature (no pun intended with use of dogmatic, btw).
 
@Robusto I never argued with the priest when I was in church.
Instead I just imagined that the church was actually an advanced military base, such that all the crosses were actually crossbows, which would swivel down to shoot at the invading hordes.
 
"arguing with the priest" is that what the kids call it these days?
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Well, you should have tried it.
@MrShinyandNew安宇 I used to imagine rolling a bowling ball down the central aisle.
 
@Robusto No, I was a good little catholic. I was even an altar-server. (That actually made it somewhat fun because I had something to do)
 
3:11 PM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, same here. Plus you got to drink the wine when nobody was looking. ^_^
 
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A: What is the difference between 'roof' and 'canopy'?

pankaj singhBasically canopy means anything that provide shade is called canopy.

 
@Robusto THAT never occurred to me.
 
@Robusto Hahaha good one.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 no proof reading, because that's not extreme enough
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, right.
 
3:14 PM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 You know what I'm going to say...
 
@MattЭллен I want to know word in language english.
Canopy is provide why?
 
Coanopy is for shade is got from canopy
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 A canopy is anything that can be called a canopy. Q.E.D.
 
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A: Why are there two pronunciations for "either"?

Alanpronounce tomato potato -- Alan.

There you have your QED. To the ground.
 
Wow I just learned this:
> In 1838, Babbage invented the pilot (also called a cow-catcher), the metal frame attached to the front of locomotives that clears the tracks of obstacles
 
3:17 PM
he was an excellent dude
@RegDwightѬſ道 laughing so hard my chest hurts
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 That Babbage ... what a relentless self-promoter.
 
Yeah marty mcfly would of never got back to 1985 w/o that cabbage dude lol.
 
so Is Alan suggesting we should pronounce both tomato and potato "Alan"? Or that they should be pronounced "either"?
 
@MattЭллен No. Not both. Either. Duh!
 
oh! of course. how foolish of me
 
3:19 PM
It's too sentance's.
Pronounce tomato! Potato -- Alan.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 You just can't appreciate the beauty of that response. It is almost Joycean, using a deceptive simplicity to set up a cascade of associations leading to a deeper understanding of a multi-layered issue.
 
like an onion?
 
@Robusto Or to a bucket of faeces.
splash
 
eeewwww
 
May 16 '11 at 14:05, by RegDwight
@Robusto You forgot the onion. Certainly you wore an onion on your belt.
 
3:22 PM
@MattЭллен Vary like an union.
 
@MattЭллен Sorry, scratch that.
 
@Robusto I try
 
No scratching faeces in this chat.
 
@Robusto like a 3-ply Kleenex? Oh you said multi-layered issue... my bad
 
In fact onion is normally pronounced potato.
 
3:23 PM
Not if you pronounce it tomato!
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Same difference.
 
or either
 
Let's call the whole thing awful.
 
But it does boggle the mind, does it not? Whichever word you pronounce as tomato, doesn't sound like adenosine at all!
Conspiracy?
Coincidence?
Noodles?
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A: Why is the "ph" pronounced like a "v" in "Stephen"? Is this the only word like that?

AlanIn Australia, there's a hairdresser (large business, probably franchised) using the name Stefan, pronounced steffan; I do not know much else about the name.

 
@RegDwightѬſ道 In Modern English, maybe. But looking back to Middle English, Old English, Old High German and Proto-Germanic you may find very different results.
@RegDwightѬſ道 It depends on the pH value. It could be a very basic question, but lead to acid retorts.
 
3:27 PM
Lead? Certainly you meant plumbum.
 
That's not Greek.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 No. I mean the Greek word for plumbum.
 
Jinx!
 
Jinx!
 
@Robusto I pronounce an onion "damn, where is the Kleenex, hurry, my tears will flow into the soup any moment"
 
3:28 PM
Are you Uzbekian by any chance?
 
@rumtscho I'm not sure what you mean. Can you render that in IPA?
 
Contacts are the best way to avoid onion crying.
 
Contracts*
 
@Robusto Watch out, she can probably do that...
 
get them to sign a pre-cut
 
3:29 PM
Haha.
 
@Cerberus Yes. If you have the right contacts they will get you into good restaurants where you don't have to chop the onions yourself.
 
A pre-cut at the hairdresser's in Australia?
 
They would sign that, with their little hairy paws.
 
Wait. Who? Australians?
 
@Cerberus and you would chop them with your big hairy paws!
 
3:30 PM
@Robusto See? Whichever sense you pick, I'm right.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 I never understood "hairdressing". My hair doesn't wear clothes.
 
@MattЭллен Yes, but, hey, they signed up for it...
 
exactly! :D
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 And that's why it needs dressed!
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 Dressing is more like making up there, I think. Like a salad dressing.
 
3:31 PM
or table dressing
or wound dressing?
 
Hmm...
 
So how do you undress a salad?
 
Some kind of textile would seem to be involved...
 
@MrShinyandNew安宇 But does your hairdresser wear a merkin?
 
window dressing has no hair either
 
3:32 PM
@Robusto Merkins weigh way too much.
 
@Robusto I dress my own hair, so, no.
 
How come you can dress up but someone else is required to give you a dressing down?
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Lick the vinaigrette off every leaf of lettuce?
 
So you are Usbekian, after all.
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 You misspelled "Merkins waiwai too much."
 
3:33 PM
U! S! A!
 
just doesn't sound right
 
Si! Si! Si! Pee.
 
Yeah, sounds leftist.
 
3:34 PM
:D
 
The principal drawback to working at home is using two computers and two mouses at the same time. I keep wondering why holding down the control key on one keyboard isn't making the other computer respond appropriately.
 
@Robusto As always, there is a simple answer to that. It is called Synergy.
 
I was having that very problem a couple of weeks ago as I transitioned from old to new computer
 
@rumtscho Did you mean Synergy™?
 
Yeah, just drop the second computer and use jQuery.
 
3:40 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 $('computer:first').doWhatIWant(function(event){doWhatRobWants()});
 
@Robusto Dunno, most FOSS people don't care about registering trademarks.
 
@rumtscho That's because they're communists.
 
and communalist
 
@Robusto Man, when I worked at a computer repair place, that was a major issue for me. My workstation always had several monitors, mice, keyboards, and I was NEVER holding the right one.
 
@Robusto They are the most useful communists I know.
 
3:42 PM
The most useful communists are the ones who do your yard work. Cf. @RegDwight.
 
I not know word in language english for say how many is right Robusto.
 
May 7 '11 at 13:15, by RegDwight
Now I have to rush to get to your backyard first.
 
Lo and behold, I'm almost there.
 
See? Speedy and prompt.
 
Dude, levitating houses for earthquake-proofing!
 
3:43 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 When in doubt, is OVER 9000!!
 
I want one.
 
@aediaλ So, what happens when there is a magnetic storm?
 
@aediaλ they had me at 資産.
 
@aediaλ I like the part where the Japanese woman uses the whole house as her personal vibrator.
 
Um. Jinx.
 
3:45 PM
Hahaha.
 
Seriously, they're going with エアー? What's wrong with 空気? I hate the Japanese. They borrow all the wrong words.
 
I want a vibrating house!
 
giggles
 
@Robusto Well they borrow all the wrong words from you. Not from the Germans, say.
 
The Germans only have one word. But it's a really long one. In camel-case.
 
3:50 PM
Nooo...
 
who would borrow words from the Germans
 
They can't afford to lend it out, either.
 
Fingerspitzengefühl.
 
@Robusto oh la-dee-da, look who's talking, with his pockets chock full of royalties.
 
3:51 PM
@Cerberus Uhh, Austrian mountains for $500, Alex.
@RegDwightѬſ道 Which is why they can't afford to lend it out anymore.
 
pronounce tomato potato -- alan
 
@Robusto It's a common word in Dutch.
 
Feb 16 at 13:36, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
I find your ideas interesting and am subscribing to your newsletter as we speak.
 
Well, a word anyway.
 
@Cerberus You've never climbed the Fingerspitzengefühlberg in the Austrian Alps? This what happens when you meet a stranger in the Alps! Or don't!
 
3:53 PM
@MrShinyandNew安宇 No, it definitely did not have Macaulay Caulkin in it.
 
I wouldn't want to climb in the Alps without Fingerspitzengefühl, could lead to bad slippages.
 
Speaking of Macaulay Culkin, I am home alone today. I wonder if I will get into trouble.
 
@rumtscho Don't worry, you'd end up in the village of Fucking.
 
@Robusto Touché.
 
Touché is a German boyband famous from the mid to late 1990s, created and produced by Dieter Bohlen, who wrote the most of music and lyrics for the project. The band split in 2001 after 5 years together and are best remembered for hits such as "This Goodbye Is Not Forever", "I'll Give You My Heart" and "I Can't Get No Sleep". Touché also heavily featured on the international hit single by The Bravo All Stars, "Let the Music Heal Your Soul". It has since been established that one of the members of the group was removed from the band during an asian tour after it came to light that he was f...
 
3:55 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 It's just the same as any other village, except more honestly named.
 
makes notes
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 I think they misspelled Douché
 
If I slide long enough and cross the Swiss border, I could end up in Mosen.
 
OK, quick. Everyone take a screenshot, put some non-offensive words on it and hand it back to me.
hands out screenshots
 
Nichtoffensivwort.
 
3:57 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 Is that like St. John's Wort?
 
@rumtscho as long as you don't end up in Mösen...
 
@RegDwightѬſ道 Perfect! Thanks.
 
@KitFox Just take a screenshot of that Rammstein video.
 
Hahaha.
I have that bookmarked in case the project lead decides he wants to do a live demo after all.
 
It would have zero offensive words in it.
 
3:59 PM
@RegDwightѬſ道 Yes, but seeing that the Swiss don't use umlauts, it is not so different.
 
@rumtscho Don't they??
 
Well that's news to me.
They don't use the ß.
But umlauts?
 
@rumtscho Which Swiss are these?
 
@Cerberus I think they don't? Or at least the ones I have met don't.
 
3:59 PM
@rumtscho What's kitchen cabinet in Schwizerdütsch?
 

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