English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

tchrist

12:00 AM

@Mahnax Ping me when you get back. I didn’t know Brian didn’t install the datafile. That seems broken to me. Sorry.

Mahnax

@tchrist Je suis back.

tchrist

K.

Try the weirdo cd thingie I show above.

     cd; cd .cpan/build/Unicode-Tussle*/data; ls -l words.utf8

Mahnax

Got it!

tchrist

Oh good.

Mahnax

I did that, then cp words.utf8 ~; cd and now unilook works.

tchrist

12:02 AM

If you did a sudo cp of it into /usr/bin/ then it would work no matter what dir you were in.

Mahnax

-max
maxed
maxi-
maxicircle
maxilla
maxillae
maxillary
maxillary gland
maxillated
maxilliferous
maxilliform
maxilliped
maxillipedary
maxillo-
Maxim
maxim
maxima
maximal
maximalism
Maximalist
maximality
maximally
maximate

tchrist

There are docs if you do this:

$ man unilook

Mahnax

Awesome!

Thanks for being patient with me.

tchrist

The -v is better.

No, it is my own dumb fault for not testing what Brian put together.

Then again, we did override the test failures. Hm.

Mahnax

When I get (END) what should I do?

tchrist

12:04 AM

Type q to quit.

You’re in more.

Mahnax

Ah, right. I always forget about q.

Thank you.

tchrist

Or less.

Sometimes space works. Depends on settings.

Try a lookup with a -v option.

Mahnax

Ooh, -v does cool things.

tchrist

Yes.

You can restrict it to certain parts of speech, too.

unilook -pv ann

Or "unilook -v -pv ann"

Mahnax

That's so cool.

Does it do definitions?

tchrist

12:06 AM

No.

Mahnax

I didn't think it would.

tchrist

I mean, mine does.

Mahnax

Oh?

MετάEd

@tchrist I think you've got category(ies) wrong.

tchrist

I don’t want to get in trouble.

So I can’t give people the real OED.

Mahnax

12:07 AM

I understand.

tchrist

But you already have it, so that is fine.

Mahnax

Yes.

user19161

I am the OED. QED.

Mahnax

tchrist

You can read about the options by typing "man unilook".

Mahnax

12:07 AM

It's quite well disguised.

tchrist

When you feel like doing wildcard lookups, tell me, and I will give you a patch to make them much easier.

Oh whoa, the good docs are shortchanged. Just a sec.

I wish I knew where it put your oscon-whatis.pod file.

I wonder if it put it in /usr/bin?

Yes.

Stupid thing.

Better docs this way:

$ pod2text /usr/bin/oscon-whatis.pod | less

Stupid broken installer.

Mahnax

Can't open /usr/bin/oscon-whatis.pod: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/pod2text5.12 line 75

tchrist

Unilook is at the bottom.

Oh great.

$ cd; cd .cpan/build/Unicode-Tussle*/script; pod2text oscon-whatis.pod | less

That is nuts. It must have put yours elsewhere than /usr/bin. Please type "which unilook" from your home directory. "(cd; which unilook)" and include the parens but not the quotes.

Mahnax

Aha. I found out how you do those silly font things!

tchrist

Yup.

I told it was toys.

Mahnax

12:13 AM

How do you get leo to work?

tchrist

macbook# echo you are not expected to understand this | leo
sᴉɥʇ puɐʇsɹəpun oʇ pəʇɔədxə ʇou əɹɐ noʎ

MετάEd

@tchrist If there's an error in your code, is that a Bugtussle?

Mahnax

Cool.

ʇuᴉɐd

tchrist

macbook# unifont how does this work
            Double-Struck: 𝕙𝕠𝕨 𝕕𝕠𝕖𝕤 𝕥𝕙𝕚𝕤 𝕨𝕠𝕣𝕜
                Monospace: 𝚑𝚘𝚠 𝚍𝚘𝚎𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚠𝚘𝚛𝚔
               Sans-Serif: 𝗁𝗈𝗐 𝖽𝗈𝖾𝗌 𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗌 𝗐𝗈𝗋𝗄
        Sans-Serif Italic: 𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘥𝘰𝘦𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘬
          Sans-Serif Bold: 𝗵𝗼𝘄 𝗱𝗼𝗲𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗸
   Sans-Serif Bold Italic: 𝙝𝙤𝙬 𝙙𝙤𝙚𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠
                   Script: 𝒽ℴ𝓌 𝒹ℴ𝑒𝓈 𝓉𝒽𝒾𝓈 𝓌ℴ𝓇𝓀
                   Italic: h𝑜𝑤 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠 𝑡h𝑖𝑠 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘

macbook# unifrac 23/512
²³⁄₅₁₂

Lots of toys like that.

Mahnax

Woooah.

tchrist

12:16 AM

Try this:

$ unilook -v '\pM'

Or this: unilook '\N{thorn}'

You can put the names of the funny chars in the \N braces.

Mahnax

Cool.

Is it possible to put apostrophes through unifont?

tchrist

So if you wanted words with an e-acute in them, write "e\N{acute}".

There are no apostrophes in the Math characters it uses.

Mahnax

Hrm, OK.

tchrist

macbook# echo this is superior | unisupers
ᵗʰⁱˢ ⁱˢ ˢᵘᵖᵉʳⁱᵒʳ

Mahnax

Aww, I don't have a new enough perl for unisupers.

tchrist

12:19 AM

My fault, again.

It doesn’t need to be.

Mahnax

Oh.

tchrist

sudo port install perl

Would upgrade.

You can look up names of code points using "uninames".

Edit unisupers and change the "use v5.14" to something less aggressive, like whatever you have.

Run "perl -v" and find what version you have.

Mahnax

v5.12.4

tchrist

Edit /usr/bin/unisupers and change it to read "use v5.12" there instead.

Um, do you know how to edit files on Unix?

Mahnax

No…

tchrist

12:21 AM

Well, you could probably use textedit on them.

Let me remember how to do that.

Yes, you can.

macbook# open -a /Applications/TextEdit.app /usr/bin/unisupers

Mahnax

The file does not exist?

Wot?

tchrist

Or navigate there from finder, except I don't know how to tell Finder to use textedit on that if you use Finder. With the shell, you can override, as I have done there.

Type: which unisupers

Mahnax

Aha.

It's in /usr/local/bin/.

tchrist

$ open -a /Applications/TextEdit.app `which unisupers`

There, that way you needn’t know.

Mahnax

It says use 5.014 in the file, I should change that to use 5.012?

tchrist

12:25 AM

$ pod2text /usr/local/bin/oscon-whatis.pod | less

@Mahnax Yes.

Mahnax

Bah, I don't own the file. Moment.

tchrist

sudo

$ sudo open -a /Applications/TextEdit.app `which unisupers`

At least, maybe.

Not sure how open works.

I was pushing 5.14 at the time, but I don't think I use anything that 5.12 cannot handle. I should have been more conservative. I got into the habit with the Book.

Mahnax

I still can't edit the friggin thing.

Blergh.

tchrist

What do you mean?

Copy it to a file you do own then.

      cp `which unisupers` ~/myunisupers

And edit that.

Here’s one you will have great evil fun with, I wager:

MετάEd

I was hungry, but there isn't any cat in the kitchen.

tchrist

12:30 AM

$ tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M < `which havshpx` > ~/unicurse

@MετάEd Try /bin.

Or just echo havshpx | tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M to learn its True Name.

Mahnax

@tchrist That doesn't do anything…

tchrist

Does "which havshpx" say anything?

Mahnax

Yeah.

The second one with echo works.

tchrist

So you should now have a unicurse file.

Make it executable and run it.

Mahnax

Um.

tchrist

12:33 AM

$ chmod a+x ~/unicurse; ~/unicurse

MετάEd

@tchrist I looked there, but I found lynx, more or less.

Mahnax

That's… mature.

tchrist

If you are successful, you will have to type ^C to kill it.

It is my proof that you cannot censor on keywords.

Mahnax

Wow.

tchrist

It was written for a highscoring SO answer.

Mahnax

12:34 AM

I know the one.

tchrist

Pipe through less, or through unifmt, so it looks better or less nutty.

You may have to do this "~/unicurse | head -2000 | unifmt".

user19161

Whoa, today is Mahnax lesson day!

Mahnax

@WillHunting No, it's Monday.

Or Tuesday.

MετάEd

Now let's start over using Plan 9.

tchrist

@WillHunting What, you can’t learn from it, too?

user19161

12:35 AM

@Mahnax Mahnax=M=Monday.

tchrist

Thomorrow is my day.

user19161

All days are belong to me.

tchrist

thinks upon what other toys he’s just now given the lad to play with

You can look up unicode characters by partial name match (regex, actually) with "uninames".

Mahnax

It is dinner time. Bye, and thanks for your help and knowledge, Mr. C.

tchrist

$ uninames ball
$ uninames greek alpha
$ uninames '\bPI\b'

Yes, me too dine. Bye.

You’re welcome.

Spare Oom

12:39 AM

@MετάEd imdb.com/title/tt0052077

tchrist

$ uninames camel
$ uninames alien
$ uninames FACE

macbook# uninames DOUBLE STR CAPITAL -MATH | tail
 ℤ  2124	DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL Z
	= the set of integers
	# <font> 005A latin capital letter z
 ℾ  213E	DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL GAMMA
	# <font> 0393 greek capital letter gamma
 ℿ  213F	DOUBLE-STRUCK CAPITAL PI
	# <font> 03A0 greek capital letter pi
 ⅅ  2145	DOUBLE-STRUCK ITALIC CAPITAL D
	* sometimes used for the differential
	# <font> 0044 latin capital letter d

MετάEd

@SpareOom Yes, that one too.

A horrible, awful film.

Or a great drinking film.

You choose.

Good night, all!

tchrist

@Mahnax You now have @Reg’s sudo make me a unicodez programs.

I’m sure Rob will love you for it.

Spare Oom

'Night

user19161

@SpareOom You came here just to say you are leaving?

Spare Oom

12:42 AM

Um, no, I was saying 'night to MetaEd

user19161

HAHAHAHA

tchrist

@MετάEd Those toys all work under Cygwin, BTW.

Including unilook (aka oedgrep).

Spare Oom

I don't really know why I come at all. I miss so many days I can't know what's been already discussed.

tchrist

Actually, it is really just oedlook. oedgrep is slightly different because it greps the whole thing. But oedlook takes an optional regex to grep the word list, intelligently though.

I can’t give people oedgrep, unfortunately.

I can find things with it I can simply never find on the subscription site. Sigh.

afks

@MετάEd What is wrong with my categories answer?

Mahnax

1:19 AM

@tchrist Hrrm?

tchrist

Aug 9 at 14:31, by RegDwight АΑA

I was just going to say that you probably just have a shell in which you type sudo make me a unicodes

Mahnax

@tchrist I see.

Does it actually do anything/work?

tchrist

Metaphorically.

The point is you type a shell command to build these things up.

It doesn't require sudo, or make, actually.

Mahnax

I see.

tchrist

It does require the toys you now possess.

Reg says "sudo make" for everything. It’s a meme.

Mahnax

1:24 AM

Oh, right. I forgot about that one.

tchrist

Jun 30 '11 at 21:31, by RegDwight

Sudo make me a droitwich. @z7sg

Mahnax

Obviously I don't hang around here enough anymore.

tchrist

Jun 30 '11 at 21:45, by RegDwight

Sudo fait-moi un droitwich.

Aug 3 '11 at 22:31, by RegDwight

@aedia Sudo make me a pixel.

May 8 at 19:41, by RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@stuff=("answer", "sandwich"); while (@stuff) { sudo make me $_; }

Mahnax

I wonder if that would work for my dog.

tchrist

That one was actually Perl. ish.

Mahnax

1:25 AM

sudo cease that awful barking right the ~/unicurse now

tchrist

Aug 14 at 16:01, by RegDwight АΑA

By typing sudo get me any wurst, duh.

Careful, stop is a shell builtin. :)

Sep 17 at 20:30, by ЯegDwight

Then hold ne while we sudo s/porn/balrogs/gi; also, sandwich;.

@Mahnax Here, read this ancient lore.

> guru: uses make for anything that requires two or more distinct commands to achieve.

This is what @Reg is doing.

Mahnax

@tchrist So you're a wizard then?

tchrist

It makes sense, in a very insider kinda way.

Well, yes. But Dennis is gone. mourn

Mahnax

Hmm? What happened to Dennis?

tchrist

He died.

Recently.

Shatterlingly.

Mahnax

1:33 AM

Oh, I'm sorry. I actually heard about that, but couldn't remember if it was the same guy.

tchrist

He was the father of Unix and C and all that came after it.

Mahnax

Yes, right.

Sonic The Hedgehog

Who's Dennis?

tchrist

He was at the same time our éminence grise and an eternally youthful leprechaun prankster.

You would have to actually know him for that to make sense together.

Mahnax

Dennis Ritchie

Dennis MacAlistair Ritchie (born September 9, 1941; found dead October 12, 2011) was an American computer scientist who "helped shape the digital era." He created the C programming language and, with long-time colleague Ken Thompson, the Unix operating system. Ritchie and Thompson received the Turing Award from the ACM in 1983, the Hamming Medal from the IEEE in 1990 and the National Medal of Technology from President Clinton in 1999. Ritchie was the head of Lucent Technologies System Software Research Department when he retired in 2007. He was the 'R' in K&R C and commonly kn...

tchrist

1:34 AM

Dennis = dmr

Sonic The Hedgehog

:O

tchrist

Here’s one for Perl.

Mahnax

Ugh, what's with the rotating arrow GIFs?

That's awful.

So again, you are a wizard. I see.

Sonic The Hedgehog

I still can't believe that you are the tchrist that wrote Perl Cookbook.

A real celebrity among us.

In incomprehensible room.

Incomprehensive.

Mahnax

After having chatted with him a bit, I was quite ready to believe that he was, in fact, the real Tchrist.

Sonic The Hedgehog

1:38 AM

Well, I am proud of ELU.

tchrist

> Unix has always lurked provocatively in the background of the operating system wars, like the Russian Army. Most people know it only by reputation, and its reputation, as the Dilbert cartoon suggests, is mixed. But everyone seems to agree that if it could only get its act together and stop surrendering vast tracts of rich agricultural land and hundreds of thousands of prisoners of war to the onrushing invaders, it could stomp them (and all other opposition) flat.

In the Beginning. . . .

Read “The Hole Hawg” starting on page 32.

Robusto

@tchrist Unix was my first OS. I harbor a fondness for it the way one does for a childhood favorite sports team.

tchrist

Have you read Stephenson’s essay?

It is rather amusing.

Mahnax

My first OS was Windows ME.

tchrist

As it were.

My first operating system was RSTS/E atop RSX atop RT11 on a DEC PDP 11-something.

Within a few years, we put 2 BSD on those critters and were much happier for it.

Windows, you know, is not an operating system.

It is just whatever $Bill says it is.

Mahnax

1:52 AM

Oh, if you say so.

tchrist

His lawyers have said so.

In the trial.

That he lost.

Until Bush Sr told everyone to drop all enforcement. Insane.

Or was it Jr? I forget now.

Every Unix wizard believes that given a computer and a C compiler, and enough time, he could reproduce Unix ab ovo, all by himself. And he is right, too.

Not counting networking. But that wasn’t really in v6 anyway.

Robusto

He sells C shells by the C shore.

tchrist

That’s the other Bill.

Robusto

I know, too Korny. And I'm sure I've made that joke before, so forgive me. And don't bash me, whatever you do.

I'll be Bourne Again soon.

tchrist

Jan 22 at 2:22, by Robusto

I know. What a Korny joke.

Sep 13 at 0:19, by Robusto

Aww, too Korny?

Robusto

1:56 AM

See? You kept that open in a tab all by itself. I'm flattered.

tchrist

I forgave you the first time.

Not the second.

Of the third, well, we have special devices prepared for you.

Robusto

I plead laziness. Why should I be expected to search for all the lousy puns I've ever made?

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Q: The usage of slander,defame,vilify and calumniate

English is not my mother language. And I was confused with these four words. They all have the verb meaning. And the meaning is almost the same. I don't which one should I use. Are there any big differences among their in some situation? which word is a frequent word? which one is obsolete?

vocabulary

Gen Ref, surely.

tchrist

Course.

s/o//

Robusto

Seriously, if your English is that bad you wouldn't understand the nuances anyway.

tchrist

That’s libel for ya.

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