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6:05 PM
@tchrist It's the same word used to describe syphilitic sores. Same pronunciation.
 
6:17 PM
@Robusto That is exactly what I thought, too. OED2 has separate entries, and a strange pronunciation:
chancre /ˈʃæŋkə(r)/.
Also 7-8 shanker, chanker, 8 shancre.
Etymology: a. Fr. chancre cancer, also venereal ulcer:-L. cancer crab. Cf. cancer, canker.
As opposed to:
canker /ˈkæŋkə(r)/, sb.
Forms: 1 cancer, -or, 3 cauncre, 3-4 cancre, 4 kankir, 4, 6 cankre, 5 cankyr, kankere, 6 cancar, cankar, kanker, 6-7 cancker, 4- canker.
Etymology: a. ONFr. cancre, in Central OFr. and mod.Fr. chancre (whence also in Eng. shanker, chancre, q.v.):-L. cancr-um (nom. cancer) crab, also gangrene. The word had been used in OE. directly from L.
1. An eating, spreading sore or ulcer; a gangrene. † a. Formerly, often the same as cancer. b. Now spec. A gangrenous affection of the mouth, characterized by small fetid sloughing ulcers; gangrenous stomatitis, stomacace. Also call
Notice the /ʃ/ vs /k/.
 
Yes, so they come from different branches of French.
C'est bien possible, non?
 
I blame Latin for its indeterminate pronunciations of the letter C.
Completely overloaded.
 
I thought nobody actually knew how it was pronounced?
Hence the indeterminism?
 
@RegDwighт Oh, they know. Them classical scholars got it all figured out.
 
Why don't they share?
I hear the exact same Latin words pronounced every which way all the time.
 
6:30 PM
Ask Kikero. Or Sisero.
 
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Q: What are the names for geometric arrangements?

nohatA quincunx is a geometric pattern consisting of five points arranged in a cross: ⁙ Are there other geometric arrangements with similar related names?

OMFG
The Maya was right.
 
I hate to say it, but isn't that NC?
 
It's better than most of the questions we get.
 
@Robusto The former was Roman, the latter Chicagoan.
 
It's already downvoted.
 
6:34 PM
But I see no research, no nothing...
And the first answer (barring Rob's comment-answer) is already showing that this is turning into a list request
 
Let’s take up a dime collection and send it to Rob for a real computer.
 
@tchrist Two points for the Chicago reference.
 
@tchrist hey I see what Rob sees.
For once.
 
Looks fine to me.
 
Yeah yeah buy yourself sunglasses or something.
 
6:36 PM
Guess @nohat already has a real computer.
 
@RegDwighт I don't see why it has upvotes.
 
I'm not even participating. Except by messing with @Rob. Or he's messing with me, hard to tell.
 
Because I took mercy on him, that’s why. :)
Plus, I wonder what the answer is.
 
@tchrist Mercy is not why you give upvotes
 
6:38 PM
@tchrist How long does it take your computer to load all your fonts?
 
What, you prefer pity?
 
I think he just quoted or alluded to some JA Rule post. And I can't even tell. Bravo.
 
@tchrist He's asking for a list. There is no answer.
 
There is not no answer.
He knows the fivefold name. He doesn’t know the fourfold or sixfold name.
Those are not listy.
 
> Are there other geometric arrangements with similar related names?
List.
 
6:38 PM
@tchrist Yeah, I upvoted too, but I didn't bother to Photoshop it. :P
 
Unless someone actually says "yes"
 
You think I could Photoshop in a red arrow that fast?
That would mean I had done it before.
 
A single accurate reply answers the question.
 
@tchrist Yes. Next question.
 
And I hadn’t.
 
6:39 PM
@tchrist Exactly.
 
Er, haven’t.
 
Too late.
 
Parently.
 
You Freudian slip has already been shown.
 
@Robusto The way the first answer is going, it's going to be a list
 
6:39 PM
Yeah. When you start fumbling with tenses, we know you're lying.
 
I will have no fumbling.
I am too relaxed.
 
That's what all fumblers say. And then they fumble.
 
A quincunx is just a mutant cumquat.
 
Huhuh, he said quat.
 
I believe we know what the threesome name is.
 
6:42 PM
Mar 4 at 14:38, by RegDwight Ѭſ道
Fromage a trois.
 
Do you have echoes bouncing around in your head for all eternity?
 
No, I get rid of them quickly by posting them here.
 
à
 
BBL.
 
That doesn't exactly get rid of them. Just sayin' ...
 
6:43 PM
@tchrist what would you do without me? You'd have nothing to correct.
Lators, I said.
 
Alleys.
And a lazy allez-y to you too.
@RegDwighт I remember each and every point deducted from my turn-in work for every diacritic missed in Spanish, French, and Italian classes. It really pissed me off that they considered these wrong words. So I pass on the annoyance that they never be forgotten. But you should see what GoogleXlate does to @Rob’s Greek dedication without the diacritics. It is a megafumble.
Uh oh, looks like the quincunxen are ambiguous:
 ⁙  2059        FIVE DOT PUNCTUATION
        = Greek pentonkion
        = quincunx
        x (die face-5 - 2684)
 ⊼  22BC        NAND
        x (projective - 2305)
        x (quincunx - 26BB)
 ⚻  26BB        QUINCUNX
        x (nand - 22BC)
 
Uh-oh...
What now?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It will please you to know that as of today I am now 3 operating systems behind!
 
"pentonkion" almost sounds nice.
Now I have to see whether it has brethren.
 
@tchrist If you think that's bad you should see what happened with MCR.
 
It’s a pentonkion.
 
6:51 PM
@tchrist Watch your mouth.
 
There are lots of pentonkionses.
Here’s one of Zeus and a nude warrior, which is said to be “extremely fine”.
 
Now wash your mouth.
@tchrist Yeah, except for that slight weakness.
 
What, already sold?
 
@Cerberus Well, Windows Vista hardly counts. And it remains to be seen if 8 is more like Vista or 7.
 
Guess what?
There are also tetronkionses.
Let’s try for the sexy versions.
Well, hexy.
I don’t like what Google does with sexonkion.
"Mumbai porn city" indeed!
I can only find four- and fivefold versions.
So it is not a list answer after all.
It is a scalar answer.
 
6:56 PM
Hmm, the quincunx is definitely an encoding issue, but Firefox displays it in UTF-8 just fine, while Chrome shows me a box no matter what. So it's not the computer, it is the browser.
 
That is lame. And these are not exotic codepointz.
 
Your beef is with Google.
 
@Robusto I changed it to a picture. FWIW, on my Mac OS X machine, all of Safari, Firefox, and Chrome displayed the Unicode correctly
 
@nohat I found a four- version, but that is all.
I’m running Darwin too, so that is probably why it is fine for me as well.
The quincunx is from Unicode v4.1.
A lot of Microsoft stuff stopped at v2.
The real QUINCUNX at U+26BB is Unicode v5.1 though.
 
if someone has a better image that doesn't have the ad for fileformat.info, I'd be grateful for a swapout
 
6:59 PM
Can’t you just use Command+ to make it big in Safari, then use the Grab tool to snap a good image?
 
I am curious what those other quincunxes are. there must be a fascinating story behind this word's etymology
apparently simchona doesn't think it worth discussing
 
Did you see the connection to coins?
There are also tetronkions to go with the pentonkions (quincunxes), but no sex/septa ones that I could find.
 
I did, that is interesting. I wonder about the relation to NAND in Unicode though
@tchrist I do hope you throw together some kind of answer referencing the greek names and the coins and the 4 one
 
My hunch is it like how eszett gets used for betas: just a lookalike.
@nohat If sim doesn’t close it first.
But I will look more at the other Unicode stuff first.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Vista. Reviews so far are devastating.
@tchrist How about hexonc(/k)ion?
Sexunx?
 
7:03 PM
When you are doing NLP on biomedical texts, you have to count ß U+00DF LATIN SMALL LETTER SHARP S as though it were β U+03B2 GREEK SMALL LETTER BETA, or else you will miss beta-carotene instances and such.
I tried hexonckion.
 
@tchrist Heptonc(/k)ion?
 
It offered me hexagon, and I forgot to pierce the veil.
Turns out I was right and Google was wrong.
Bastards.
There is indeed a sixfold one.
 
You have to at least get your languages right.
 
I typed hexonkion and it said "Did you mean hexagon?"
 
Latin and Greek are just different dialects of classicalese
 
7:05 PM
That’s a hexonkion.
Six dots.
 
@nohat Pah.
And tsk.
 
Flipping two of them produces box cars one time in four.
No heptonkion. And I bet I know why.
Because we can’t count that high at a glance.
Oh box, there are sexacunx and septacunx!
But do not take what Google suggests as a possibility.
Apparently the Romans could count to seven, but the Greeks could not.
 
@Cerberus I have heard mixed reviews. I think it will really depend on the use-case
 
Hm, this one spells it septecunx, but these are also the folks with a tetraptych, too.
Talk about a mixed message!
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 From what I hear, the two modes don't work together well.
And they are each flawed.
 
7:15 PM
@nohat Yeah, I'm on my cheap Windows laptop at work. But you'd think Google would get Chrome right on this issue.
 
@Cerberus well, like I said: it will depend highly on the use-case. will desktop users hate it? Or will they just spend all their time on desktop mode and basically ignore the other mode? Tablet users will probably hate it when desktop mode gets involved, but that will just encourage them to use new apps... esp for Win RT which doesn't have any old apps.
 
@nohat In “astrology”, a quincunx is the name of the “aspect” (angle) formed by two “planets” that are 150° degrees apart. I don’t know if they are multiplying 5*30° for the quin- part; not my field. :) It is also called an inconjunct there.
Here are the “real” Unicode quincunx’s near neighbors:
 ⚹  26B9        SEXTILE
        x (asterisk - 002A)
        x (alchemical symbol for sal-ammoniac - 1F739)
 ⚺  26BA        SEMISEXTILE
        x (xor - 22BB)
 ⚻  26BB        QUINCUNX
        x (nand - 22BC)
 ⚼  26BC        SESQUIQUADRATE
 
The irony is that MS has had "tablet" computers for about a decade now. Yet they completely failed to make that product really succeed. And they've had "Windows" on phones since forever, but failed there too. And they've had non-Windows OSes, if you include WinCE which is very different from Windows. And yet Apple managed to succeed by doing all the same things: totally new OS, launch on phones, launch tablets with no apps, etc. And now MS has nowhere to play.
 
You would think a sextile and a sesquiquadrate would be the same, since ³⁄₂ * 4 == 6.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But I don't think you can ignore either mode.
 
7:19 PM
@Cerberus Sure, on RT they'll never use desktop mode.
And on any device with no legacy apps.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I know, it's stupid. Anybody testing a phone with Windows Mobile for a few minutes will realize that it needs big buttons ASAP.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 But is that even possible?
 
@Cerberus AFAIK Desktop mode is only invoked when there are "old" apps that need it.
 
A quincunx looks like a runic pi. Hm.
 
It just seems like they've launched two independent OSs bundled together.
 
@Cerberus They have. That is exactly what they have done.
 
7:21 PM
And each causes some compromises in the other that neither group of users will like.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I don't believe that is so.
 
@Cerberus I don't think desktop mode infringes on tablet mode. The desktop is just one panel in the tablet, like any other app.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And that is a bit silly: either integrate them well, or don't integrate them at all (allow us to alt-tab into the other OS or something).
I don't think most users benefit from installing a new version of Windows anyway.
Windows does what it needs to do, and it does it well.
 
Oh look, I found a semunce to go with a quincunx. The semunce is a half-ounce, or ¹⁄₂₄ of an as, while the quincunx was ⁵⁄₁₂ of an as. So there were ten semunces in a quincunx.
Or ten semunciae.
 
@tchrist you're just making up words now.
 
When you open a picture in desktop mode, it is opened in the tablet picture application; but:
 
7:26 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Liar!
 
> I already mentioned things like defaulting to using the Metro Photos app instead of the desktop Photo Viewer app, so let's explore that in detail. I often get sent ZIP files of images (product photos, that kind of thing). So I unzip them all into a directory somewhere. I then want to look at them, so I double-click one of them. In Windows 7, this would open up Photo Viewer, and I can just use the arrow keys to cycle through all the images in the same directory. Quick and easy.
 
ǁ semuncia /siːˈmʌnʃ(ɪ)ə/. Rom. Antiq.
Pl. -iæ /siːˈmʌnʃɪiː/.
Etymology: L. sēmuncia, f. sēmi- semi- + uncia ounce sb.1
A half-ounce, the twenty-fourth part of an as. Also anglicized † semunce (rare-0). Hence seˈmuncial a. ad. L. sēmunciāl-is.
1656 Blount Glossogr., ― Semuncial, of or belonging to half an ounce.
1658 Phillips, ― Semuncial, belonging to a semunce, i. half an ounce.
1887 Head Hist. Nummorum 43 ― Bronze coins of Uncial and Semuncial weight, b.c. 217-89.
 
V F S.
 
7:27 PM
Vide Fucking Supra, Dude.
 
@tchrist mm-hm. You just invented that whole definition. I'm onto your tricks now!
 
> There is a hard and dividing line between the two worlds. Far from allowing seamless switching between the two environments, they barely even acknowledge the other's existence. It's extremely limited, and it means that as a person who has to use the desktop for some things, I find myself avoiding Metro apps for all things. Bridging the gap is just too painful and annoying.
 
@Cerberus That is exactly what I expect. Desktop users vs Metro users.
 
> Until this gap is closed, it leaves Windows 8 feeling like two separate operating systems poorly grafted together. You can never avoid the join entirely, but your happiness with Windows 8 will depend heavily on just how often you have to cross over.
 
Honestly, they should have just released Metro as an add-on to Windows 7, but they can't do that because they have to release a new OS every so often.
 
7:30 PM
If you cannot avoid the "join" entirely, then that means functional regression. Why would I even consider using an OS that shows regression, even at a single point? Why?
 
@Cerberus Because it also has improvements?
 
Like which?
 
Storage Spaces
for one
 
It’s an old-style gangster racket, where they fleece you for a “protection fee”. Just Say No.
 
Also Metro may be alien to Desktop, but that doesn't mean Metro isn't a useful thing to have.
 
7:31 PM
1 improvement + 1 regression = very bad experience. People much prefer known weaknesses over new ones.
 
@Cerberus You are way oversimplifying things.
 
@tchrist Yeah, sort of. Or they just trust in companies and PC manufacturers to pre-install the new OS by default, because that's what they're used to: corporations are often very irrational and inefficient, especially when it comes to things their managers don't really understand.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Am I? Doesn't it work for you like that?
I think it is ingrained in human nature.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What are those?
Now I need food. Later!
 
@Cerberus Life is full of trade-offs. "one regression + one new feature" does not mean "zero gain". It totally depends on what the regression and features are and the impact they have, and you know that.
@Cerberus Storage Spaces is like RAID, only easy to understand for mortals. I think it will be a big deal, if Windows 8 catches on.
 
I mean if they are equal, human beings will much prefer the bad thing they are used to.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Hmm but do normal people need RAID?
 
@Cerberus I think you maybe underestimate the degree to which business people are reluctant to upgrade OSes.
@Cerberus Yes, they do.
 
7:35 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 They don't upgrade the OS specifically: they just order new computers every 3 years.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh yeah? Try to see what happens to your flagweight when you get one more declined flag compared with one more helpful one. The declined one hurts you a lot more than the helpful one helps you. So 1 bad + 1 good = almost bad, which is anything but good.
 
Because they think new computers = better.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Why? What am I missing out on?
@tchrist Right, but that weight is artificially created...
 
@Cerberus No way. That is not at all how businesses work. They totally manage that stuff to an insane level of detail. Any organization with more than 25 machines cares a great deal about what OS is installed.
 
Now I have to buy food, bye!
 
@Cerberus It maps to human perception.
 
7:37 PM
@Cerberus Easily expandable storage, and data redundancy in case of disk failure
@tchrist In that case, maybe. But that's stackexchange software being annoying.
And similarly one upvote = +10 but one downvote = -2, which proves my point.
 
@Cerberus: I'm coming up with characters for a story, do you have a second to help?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 For many situations, it is the reverse of that in real life.
You remember the one time in 365 that getting out of bed in the morning you fell flat on your face.
We long remember the ill, and let slip the good from our memory.
 
@MattЭллен Ask @tchrist. He has lots of characters.
 
@tchrist Perhaps it is, and perhaps it isn't. The point is Cerb is always getting on my case about making blanket generalizations and then he goes and says that if a new OS has a SINGLE regression it isn't fit to use AT ALL.
 
@Robusto I'm looking for some names appropriate for Roman soldiers. They didn't have unicode
 
7:43 PM
@tchrist And that is a failure of reasoning. (Not that that helps Microsoft in their marking, admittedly).
 
It is not a matter of reason.
 
@MattЭллен What do you mean? Like half of Unicode is "LATIN SMALL BLAH BLAH FROB NOZZLE"
 
It is a matter of survival.
If we forget the things that hurt us, we die.
If we forget the things that pleasure us, well, we still pass along our genes.
 
@MattЭллен Yeah...don't play cards with a man called Doc, don't piss in the wind, and never ever rub a cat on its tummy; when you stop they'll rip your hand off.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 oh you
 
7:44 PM
So learn and live, or forget and die.
 
@MattЭллен Um, did you try Biggus Dickus?
 
@tchrist Only considering the bad and ignoring the good is bad reasoning. It may be explained by evolution, but that doesn't mean it isn't a failure to think about stuff logically.
 
Your brain has a very sophisticated and well-proven memory-triage model. Dispute it at your peril.
 
7:45 PM
And don't forget Naughtius Maximus.
@tchrist I forget ... what were we talking about?
 
Why bugs hurt more than features help.
 
Hiya.
Baie!
 
I don't have bugs. I only have undocumented features.
 
@tchrist Bugs may hurt disproportionately more than features help, but that does not imply that the existence of a bug in a new product automatically invalidates what features it has. Or else nobody would ever use new software, ever.
 
@MattЭллен Hi!
So soldier names?
 
7:54 PM
yeah
just regular foot soldiers
and one for a guy who would be in charge of them
I'm looking for 5 foot soldiers, or somewhere I can find them :)
time travel is too expensive at the moment
 
Why do I answer questions when I get no rep from them? Sigh.
And now we have not one but two Larry King questions.
 
> Recruits into the Roman legions often acquired new names when they first signed on. For the auxiliary soldier, who was usually a foreigner, this usually took the form of a two names plus a "patronymic" (a name derived from a person's father or ancestor), a tribal name (e.g., Pollia, Sabina), and possibly the name of his home town, resulting in a name like Lucius Julius, son of Menander, of the Pollia tribe.

Roman soldiers who were citizens already might get a cognomen for the first time or might even exchange their old cognomen for a new one. The cognomen might indicate the soldier's pla
 

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