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Robusto

2:00 PM

Jul 26 '11 at 21:03, by Robusto

Bye-bye-bye, gotta fly, oh my, oh my.

Cerberus

@Mahn: I think that happened to me too. It sucks, and it is totally unjustm but...

Vitaly

Mar 12 '11 at 2:35, by RD1

@Robusto Toodles.

user19161

@Cerberus Thanks for being the first one to end the game!

Cerberus

@Rob: Her accent is probably Frisian, aka. the accent that is the ugliest while still being very clear to the ear of a speaker of the standard accent. It also sounds a bit lower class.

@WillHunting Hi, I see people are quoting weird things?

user19161

@mrs Since you don't like to upgrade your Linux, you may be pleased to know that Ubuntu 12.04 will come with 5 years of updates even for the desktop edition, instead of just 3.

user19161

2:05 PM

31 mins ago, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Ok today's goal is for nobody to say anything new in this chat room, just quote old messages of themselves saying stuff.

Cerberus

I see.

I'm afraid that is too much for my poor just-woken-up brain.

Vitaly

Apr 28 '11 at 14:13, by Cerberus

My brains are always at sleepy mode. The switch broke off long ago.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Oct 21 '11 at 16:04, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasperLoy yeah, only I'm not crazy about how ubuntu/debian are organized

Cerberus

@Vitaly Haha, wow. How do you find these things?

Vitaly

Sep 30 '11 at 18:56, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

@MrShinyandNew安宇 I have every chat message open in a separate tab for quick and easy access later.

Apr 12 '11 at 14:28, by RegDwight

@Robusto By number, d'oh. If I want to quote the 4273568th message, I just scroll to the 4273568th tab.

Cerberus

2:14 PM

@Vitaly I actually remember that one. I sort of believe it.

Matt Эллен

strokes @Cerberus's brain, offers him some tea

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Gee, uh...thanks! That is a novel feeling.

Matt Эллен

:D

Vitaly

in War Metal Tyrant, Oct 11 '11 at 2:24, by Vitaly

now I actually do feel as if someone is touching the private parts of my mind >_>

Matt Эллен

there are no nerves in the brain, so there shouldn't be a feeling, which I suppose is novel

Cerberus

2:21 PM

@Vitaly That was actually interesting. You don't have any new thoughts on the matter?

Mahnax

Jan 4 at 20:46, by Mahnax

Pew! augh PEW! AUGH PEW PEW! dies

That is all.

Cerberus

@MattЭллен No nerves? I thought it was all nerves?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Dec 13 '11 at 16:00, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It's like a party in my brain!

Cerberus

@Mahnax Haha, thank you.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus all neurons, no nerves

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:22 PM

yesterday, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

here's a fun fact for you non-biologists out there: The nerves in your nose are directly connected to (i.e. are an extension of) your brain. That means when you smell poop, poop molecules are actually rubbing against your brain.

Mahnax

@Cerberus Anytime. Now, if you'll excuse me, I must go consume sustenance.

Cerberus

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Hahaha wtf...how do you come up with those?

Bye Mahn!

Matt Эллен

Jan 7 at 15:56, by Matt Эллен

but then you'd present symptoms of neural degeneration. Headaches are not in the brain, but the scalp

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Nov 28 '11 at 14:13, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

anyway all this talk of food has made me hungry. time for oatmeal, bbs

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Then how come people sometimes get headaches from tumours?

user19161

2:23 PM

yesterday, by Will Hunting

@MattЭллен Cheese and rice!

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus blood pressure, I guess

Cerberus

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Ehhh...bye?

@MattЭллен Hmm OK.

And the scalp is exclusively the bits of meat (only skin?) on the outside of the skull?

Matt Эллен

that's how I understand it

Cerberus

OK.

Matt Эллен

the muscle and skin and hair

Cerberus

2:25 PM

But inside there are also parts that aren't part of the brain, right?

user19161

There is a severe bug in GNOME 3. Backlight brightness settings are not preserved after restart.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Feb 7 '11 at 15:07, by Kosmonaut

Oops, am I walking in on a psychiatry session?

Matt Эллен

I think so. there is the blood-brain barrier, and other parts of the central nervous system

Cerberus

I believe there is a system inside the skull that ensures proper blood transport to all areas of the brain, surrounding the brain, or something.

Matt Эллен

and fluid surrounding the brain

Cerberus

2:27 PM

OK.

user19161

@Mahnax I think I'll delete my blog. Nothing much to write about anyway. Just to let you know since you follow it.

Matt Эллен

@WillHunting - and here was I thinking you were to become the most prolific blogger of all time

user19161

@MattЭллен The more people study the brain, the more they know that actually they know nothing.

user19161

@MattЭллен I checked yours out a few times, but it is mostly programming stuff.

Matt Эллен

yeah I haven't updated it in a while

I should get on that

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:30 PM

Oct 25 '11 at 2:33, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

I' m back

Nov 28 '11 at 14:37, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

mmm oatmeal

user19161

@MattЭллен I find it weird that you have both a website and a blog. Why not combine the two into one?

Matt Эллен

Dec 1 '11 at 16:07, by Jasper Loy

Indeed, I intend to make my blog famous in a couple of years.

user19161

@MattЭллен Awww! I was expecting that actually.

Matt Эллен

@WillHunting oh, because that just how they are.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@WillHunting Blogs and websites are not the same thing.

Vitaly

2:34 PM

1 min ago, by Vitaly

"Anyone who claims that the brain is a total mystery should be slapped upside the head with the MIT Encyclopedia of the Cognitive Sciences. All one thousand ninety-six pages of it."
— Tom McCabe

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Jun 25 '11 at 21:36, by RegDwight

This game hates me.

Matt Эллен

This hate games me

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Apr 11 '11 at 13:02, by RegDwight

A most excellent game.

user19161

@RegDwightѬſ道 Only in Soviet Russia.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Dec 13 '11 at 19:31, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

I win.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:35 PM

Oct 3 '11 at 19:45, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

And if he don't got it, he'll quote something that do.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Dec 21 '11 at 17:02, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

Meh you keep changing the requirements.

user19161

yesterday, by Will Hunting

Boo!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Aug 24 '11 at 1:27, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

and then the data needs to change because it was wrong to begin with

user19161

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Q: Is there a rule for the correct pronunciation of words starting with "ex"?

The following words are pronounced starting with an iks / igz: extent [ɪkˈstent] expect [ɪk'spekt] exterminate [ɪk'stɜːmɪneɪt] external [ɪkˈstɜːn(ə)l] exhaust [ɪg'zɔːst] examine [ɪg'zæmɪn] exact [ɪɡˈzækt] The following words are pronounced starting with an eks: extant [ek'stænt] extr...

pronunciation

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Oct 20 '11 at 13:46, by Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Is there anything else that you think I should change, or doesn't make sense?

user19161

2:38 PM

Interesting question. I was wondering about it myself.

Matt Эллен

they're all pronounced [ek's]

user19161

@MattЭллен Not if you look in the dictionaries.

Cerberus

@Vitaly Not total, perhaps; but it seems we've only scratched the surface so far...

Matt Эллен

well, dictionaries have a lot to learn. from me.

@Vitaly Who the flip is Tom McCabe? Why should I trust anything he has to say?

w*r*

Vitaly

8 secs ago, by Vitaly

‘If you go around proclaiming “What does two plus two equal? Four!” you will not gain a reputation as a deep thinker. But it is still the correct answer.’
— Eliezer Yudkowsky

user19161

2:44 PM

@Vitaly The 8 secs ago gives away the trick.

Vitaly

Dec 16 '11 at 0:35, by Cerberus

Oh, noes.

user19161

It is sad that Adobe has stopped developing a Linux version of Reader.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@WillHunting In what way is that sad? Reader was bloated and buggy and full of security problems and it barely worked even when it worked.

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Still my favourite because of rendering clarity. I can still use version 9 though.

user19161

Of course clarity is subjective.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2:51 PM

@WillHunting Just make sure you never open a PDF that will compromise your system.

Cerberus

3:07 PM

@Vitaly Hahaha.

Very droll.

Oh dear, there is apparently a fire across the street.

Two fire trucks.

But I see no smoke or fire.

There's truck number three, and the street is closed off, with me in the area. Now I see smoke coming from a house.

aedia λ

Oct 4 '11 at 15:12, by aedia λ

Fire, shmire.

Cerberus

Four trucks, now they're extending the ladder from one truck.

Smoke is still coming out.

But I still see no fire, so it must be in the back house.

They're surveying the roof, probably.

They're using hoses inside the building all the while.

Hmm there seems to be less smoke.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:25 PM

So I just read about a new feature in Windows 8 that's kind of compelling: "Storage Spaces". It's like RAID, but easier to use. You can create storage pools of multiple disks (of any kind) and windows will allow you to store stuff on the pool and it will prompt you to add storage as needed, and you can decide to use mirroring or parity striping etc. If you unplug disks the pool may become available, but if there is a quorum of disks then the pool works. Kinda neat.

You can move the pool to another PC as well.

aedia λ

Oct 6 '11 at 1:36, by aedia λ

Oh NOES!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/01/05/…

So there you go @Cerberus, a reason to upgrade to 8 instead of 7.

aedia λ

Oct 17 '11 at 16:35, by aedia λ

There, that's better.

Oct 11 '11 at 17:10, by aedia λ

Oh I showed her some where larvae get eaten partially and fully.

Cerberus

aedia λ

Jul 6 '11 at 14:31, by aedia

Good morning all. I'm awake thanks to the miracle of coffee. I think.

Dec 9 '11 at 21:10, by aedia λ

@Cerberus Wuzzat?

Cerberus

3:32 PM

@aediaλ Ze fire, but I think they have it under control now.

Ladder has been folded up.

Smoke is gone.

aedia λ

A brand is a fire?

Cerberus

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Hmm, soo...what are the advantages of this over a plain automated back-up on two disks?

@aediaλ Yes.

Brandweer = ehh firemen collectively. Weren = to fend off, protect.

Brandweerman = fireman.

MetaEd

Yes, and brennen is to burn.

Cerberus

Yes, but that is German.

aedia λ

I don't think our firetrucks here usually say fire truck or fire department or anything on the front; I think it's usually something more specific, like its number or the locale name. Or one of those awful pinwheel things, in some cities.

Here is a New York one.

Cerberus

3:38 PM

Burn / brennen / branden are probably all the same root, though.

MetaEd

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Sounds like disk clustering. Clustering was integral to VMS, which is an operating system used in high availability systems. On the wane now but blazed a lot of trails that Windows eventually followed.

Cerberus

@aediaλ Oh! Wow. Looks more like an ice cream van, hehe.

MetaEd

Ah, I didn't see a language name. We're talking ... Dutch, he guesses?

Cerberus

Indeed.

MetaEd

Guessing from the double e

I love the sound of Dutch.

Cerberus

3:39 PM

@MetaEd Yeah, we're weird like that.

@MetaEd Hmm all accents, or just the standard accent? I showed Rob a video that sounded like German to him (it was a heavy south-eastern accent in Dutch).

MetaEd

It's just as well I have coffee, not anything stronger, or I would probably be making dike jokes. I'm trying to stay classy.

aedia λ

@Cerberus Here's someone's photos of one with a spinny thing, but I swear the ones with the spinny thing I see sometimes around here have a bigger, brighter spinny thing that makes it hard to even look at it as it comes down the other side of the road.

MetaEd

I am thinking of what I heard when I did a little consulting in Eindhoven.

Cerberus

We don't mind. We likes our dikes.

This is Amsterdam, remember.

MetaEd

I just think it's nice that you are always sticking your fingers in them.

There. See what you made me do.

I have no class.

aedia λ

3:42 PM

giggles

I never get tired of that!

Cerberus

@aediaλ Huh, but what is this spinny thing? I don't see it, or I don't know what to look for.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It's not about backups at all.

Cerberus

@MetaEd Well, I'd rather not. They won't like that, and they can probably beat any of up with their left hand.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh, the other RAID thingie, for speed?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MetaEd Yeah, well, Windows has more advanced disk clustering features already, but this is for end-users using whatever disks they have lying around.

Cerberus

There's RAID 1 and 2, or something? I forget.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:45 PM

@Cerberus The idea is that people want to be able to buy storage and add it to their system. So you buy a disk, and add it to your system, and it will be easy to extend the pool to that disk, and windows will take care of the rest.

Cerberus

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh, so you mean the main advantage is that you won't have to worry about which file is on which disk?

MetaEd

VMS clustering let you drop a CPU on the ground and not lose any transactions. In fact there were financial applications hosted on VMS at World Trade Center that failed over within 1 minute to offsite cluster members without losing a single transaction.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@MetaEd I was watching a Dutch channel last night when my wife joined me only to ask after two minutes why they wouldn't take the hot potatoes out of their mouths.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus in fact you won't necessarily be able to know that. A file might be on lots of disks.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I told her she should check Danish first.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:47 PM

@MetaEd Cool

aedia λ

►

^ See 2nd truck here

MetaEd

@RegDwightѬſ道 It's like the Dutch love the sound of the letter "ell".

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 Hah, is that what we sound like to you? Is that from a Russian, or a German perspective?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@MetaEd That's a letter?

@Cerberus That's what you sound like to her. She is of Russian descent.

MetaEd

It's the name of a letter: ell

RegDwight Ѭſ道

3:48 PM

I must say she did have a point.

Cerberus

@aediaλ Oh! Huh! What is the purpose of that thing? Never seen it before.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

Me, I am just too used to Dutch, but after her remark I reevaluated it and it's not like she's entirely wrong.

MetaEd

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Right. But that creates multiple points of failure for that file. You definitely want to combine that with volume shadowing.

Cerberus

@MetaEd Huh? Is our L distinctive?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

I'd rather say it's your S.

Cerberus

3:50 PM

@RegDwightѬſ道 So what sounds trigger the potato image?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

The vowels.

Cerberus

I suppose upper-class Dutch and British both have it; but the language in general?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

And of course the S isn't helping.

aedia λ

►

Here's one actually from my area

It's uhh... to startle people?

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 The sharp s in the onset?

RegDwight Ѭſ道

3:51 PM

Quick, write down the license plate.

MetaEd

@Cerberus It's not so much that the L is distinctive, as that the resonance created by some of the Dutch vowels is reminiscent of the L.

RegDwight Ѭſ道

@Cerberus haha, "sharp", haha.

If there's one thing you don't have, that's a sharp S.

Cerberus

@RegDwightѬſ道 I mean sharp as in scharf.

aedia λ

I don't really know why they use it. It scares me. Ours are apparently different colors, now that I see one not moving.

Cerberus

Hmm.

@MetaEd Hmmm...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:52 PM

@MetaEd No, it doesn't necessarily, it uses mirroring or striping with parity, like Raid 0 or Raid 5.

aedia λ

@RegDwightѬſ道 dcfd.com/Apparatus.php

In case you really, really, love fire trucks, I suppose.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Anyway, @MetaEd, this new feature is not meant to replace real RAID or the other enterprisy storage schemes, but rather to provide something like it that's easier to use for consumers.

Cerberus

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Okay, and if one disk fails, it will be safe on the other disks too? A combination of two RAID types? But then you'd need a lot of storage?

aedia λ

And that's just DC and not surrounding counties.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Yes, part of the array is used for redundancy, just like in RAID

MetaEd

3:53 PM

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, and the consumer is probably the least informed about the risks of what you choose for disk configuration. It sounds like a recipe for a screwed consumer.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

But the good part is that you can just keep adding disks to the pool, any size, any connection method (scsi, sata, usb, etc) and growing the pool.

MetaEd

@MrShinyandNew安宇 That's definitely a good feature.

@MrShinyandNew安宇 And hopefully there is the complementary feature? You can mark a volume for removal and have the file fragments stored on it move to other volumes so you can take it offline?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MetaEd Did you read the article on msdn? I may not be explaining it properly. I don't think it makes file storage more risky for consumers than it already is.

Cerberus

@aediaλ Wow, fascinating. So much different from here. I like that they are using a type that looks more like older cars.

MetaEd

Thanks, I'll take a look.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

3:56 PM

@MetaEd Disks used in the pool can't be used for other thingss... you don't need all the disks in the pool connected all the time, but I imagine that if some disks aren't present then the overall performance or reliability of the pool will suffer.

Cerberus

I'll read it in a minute.

MetaEd

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Looks like you can set up a 10 TB logical drive but initially provide only 1 TB of mirrored capacity, and it will call for additional drives when it needs them. That sounds awful. You are in the middle of writing a paper and a dialog box pops up: logical volume full. Buy two more disks and plug them in. Abort/Retry/Continue?

Mahnax

Hello everyone.

MetaEd

@Mahnax Howdy.

Mahnax

@MetaEd How go things here?

Hey @Will.

MetaEd

3:59 PM

@Mahnax Tolerable!

user19161

@Mahnax Boo!

Mahnax

@MetaEd That's above average! Hehe.

user19161

@Mahnax There are three main averages: mean, median, mode.

Mahnax

@WillHunting Greetings!

@WillHunting Fine, it's above mean.

user19161

@Mahnax You already said hey!

aedia λ

4:01 PM

@Cerberus A lot of the Maryland, Virginia, etc. county/local fire departments are volunteer and don't have as much info and as many photos online, but here's one Maryland county near me, which has a variety of equipment.

Mahnax

@WillHunting Yeah, but after that I didn't know what to say.

So I greeted you again.

user19161

@Mahnax Good good. I guess the computer class is ongoing today?

Mahnax

@WillHunting Well, it's non-existent today.

Tomorrow it will reappear.

user19161

I wonder when the snowman will disappear. It's already the second week of January.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MetaEd You can create a 1TB volume on 1TB storage and grow the volume later. What happens if you run out of actual disk space on your 1TB volume with 1TB storage that you already have? Right in the middle of writing your really really long paper (maybe you have lots of accents or combining characters so your short paper takes a lot of disk space)?

@WillHunting still winter

aedia λ

4:03 PM

Hey we haven't even had Groundhog Day. We don't know if we'll have six more weeks of winter.

user19161

Maybe Jeff wants to greet Chinese New Year as well and so he is retaining the snowman.

Mahnax

Yeah, we are supposed to have some very cold weather next week, around -30˚C.

user19161

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Oh I thought it was for the festive period.

aedia λ

Eeek!

Mahnax

It's not as bad as it can get, though. I've seen/existed in worse.

user19161

4:05 PM

Chinese New Year is next next week here.

aedia λ

It's unseasonably warm here today; the ground melted and it's like 14˚ out.

Mahnax

We had warm weather for a while. It will be frozen to death by the positioning of the Earth soon.

user19161

@aediaλ Nice word!

user19161

@Mahnax Watch The Day the Earth Stood Still.

Mahnax

@aediaλ Celsius?

@WillHunting Hmm, I may have seen that, but I can't remember. I can never remember movie titles.

user19161

4:07 PM

@Mahnax And here we go again about the mysterious ways one can interpret K, F and C.

user19161

Kentucky Fried Chicken, Calvin Klein Fragrance, Kelvin Celcius Fahrenheit.

Cerberus

@aediaλ Hmm those flags are funny. You would never ever see that here; I guess we're far less patriotic in general. But won't the flag get in the way?

aedia λ

@Mahnax Yeah, C. I've had my little weather thingie on my phone set to C for like a year now in what I initially thought was a vain attempt to get used to it, but it's finally helped a bit.

Mahnax

@WillHunting Well, okay. 14K would be absolute death, and 14˚F would be below freezing, and 14˚C is warm. So it must be Celsius.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@WillHunting Me too, but snowmen are appropriate for whenever there is snow.

Cerberus

4:08 PM

@MetaEd Retry, retry, retry!

MetaEd

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Not as I read it. The linked article claims you initialize the virtual volume with a definite size, such as 10 TB, but can attach less than 10 TB of actual storage to begin with. The system calls for you to add hardware as you grow out of what you've already attached, and that can continue until you exhaust the size of your virtual volume.

aedia λ

@Cerberus I had to go back and look to see what you were talking about; it didn't seem remarkable to me that they would pose the truck with a flag for its photo. I'm sure it doesn't run around flying it at fires.

Here we're so big on fire trucks that they are an important part of most parades.

Cerberus

@aediaλ Hmmm ah, yes, why didn't I think of that.

stupid

MetaEd

It would be nice if there were no fixed upper bound on the size of the virtual volume. That restriction is undoubtedly caused by the way NTFS formats a volume. It needs to know how big to make the volume table of contents because the table of contents never grows.

aedia λ

@Cerberus Independence Day parade, Memorial Day parade, even St. Patrick's day parade - you saw there was some sort of weird leprechaun thing on that first yellowish truck, right?

MetaEd

4:12 PM

@Cerberus Yeah ... exactly! That would be ... inconvenient.

aedia λ

@Cerberus Awwh scratches tummy

Cerberus

@MetaEd Huh? So its ToC is the same length/size, no matter how many files you put in an NTFS drive?

@aediaλ Yes, I certainly saw it!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@MetaEd Well, either way, the point still stands that anyone who's in danger of exceeding their physical storage is in that same danger whether they've layered a thinly-provisioned volume on top. The difference is that they have to pay attention to a different "free space" indicator.

@MetaEd You can just provision the volume for the max size in that case. Close enough.

Cerberus

As long as the indicator is clear, and the system warns you when you get close to full...

aedia λ

@Cerberus Where I grew up like half the parade was fire co's at least, and everyone knew which of the departments was on call that year because they weren't able to be in the lineup. I was sad when the sparkly blue truck wasn't there because it was my favorite.

MetaEd

4:15 PM

@Cerberus That's right, in fact that's true not only for NTFS but pretty much any file system type. There's a volume table of contents which divides the space up into regions called blocks or clusters. There's one entry per block or cluster. By the way, that's why you might not want to use the max size of the volume when you initialize one. The volume table of contents will take up a lot of room on your first disk.

@WillHunting science fiction double feature

@WillHunting see androids fighting Brad and Janet

aedia λ

Auuugh you got it stuck in my head it's stuck in my head!

MetaEd

@aediaλ Better than "Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Ole Oak Tree", right?

Cerberus

@aediaλ Aww well, I think your trucks are worth parading around in more than ours, which look less special.

aedia λ

@MetaEd lalala not listening at the midnight double feature picture show

MetaEd

@aediaλ My work here is done

Cerberus

4:25 PM

@MetaEd Hmm, yes, I see. That all makes sense; I had never realized it would have an entry for each block. So it must be huge; how large would you say for a 320 GB disk?

aedia λ

@MetaEd it's just a jump to the left

See now look what's happened to me?!?

Robusto

@MetaEd — Your explanation just gave me a petit-mal seizure.

taserian

Pardon my intrusion, MetaEd, but there a tradeoff between TOC and Block Size. If you increase the block size, you can reduce the TOC substantially. Of course, then you run into the problem of wasted space, since every file, no matter how small, needs an entire block.

MetaEd

@Cerberus I don't know the NTFS internals well enough. There's a starting point here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS

@taserian Yes, absolutely.

Or cluster size. Block is (used to be) the term for the physical unit of bytes on the surface, and was often 512 bytes no matter how big your cluster was.

Cerberus

Oh OK.

taserian

4:36 PM

Valid clarification, MetaEd, thank you.

Cerberus

Wow, our guest is very polite!

As are we, of course. shreds some transcripts

Kitḫ

Anyone here work with SharePoint?

MetaEd

watches Cerberus eat his words

Cerberus

Hi Kit.

@MetaEd Damn you got me.

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ not really, but sort of

i mean, i work at the mothership

Cerberus

4:40 PM

Euphemism failure.

JSBᾶngs

what's the question?

Cerberus

@JSBᾶngs What?

Kitḫ

Is it possible to build data-driven webpages in SharePoint?

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ yes. don't ask me how.

Kitḫ

ASP, databinding from SQL server?

OK. Thanks.

JSBᾶngs

4:41 PM

@Kitḫ i'm gonna go out on a limb and say yes, though i'm not really sure.

i've seen SP sites that seem to do what you're talking about

but i haven't the first clue how to do it

i've never developed for SP, nor do i want to

@Cerberus what what?

Kitḫ

Hmm. It says that it interfaces with Visual Studio.

The thought is not appealing, but could mean lots of extra cash for me.

JSBᾶngs

all i've ever heard about SP is that it's a clusterf*** to develop for

Cerberus

@JSBᾶngs I mean, which mothership is this?

Kitḫ

Well, it's this:

> allowing no-code solutions to complex business problems using SharePoint Designer.

That makes me want to run in the other direction.

JSBᾶngs

@Cerberus the mothership where sharepoints come from

Kitḫ

4:44 PM

You do?

I didn't know that.

JSBᾶngs

@Cerberus yes.

Cerberus

Ah OK.

JSBᾶngs

i try to keep it a secret, though i obviously don't try very hard

Cerberus

Yeah. You can still delete it all?

JSBᾶngs

i could, but i'm not going to

more accurately i'd say i don't advertise it

Cerberus

4:46 PM

All right.

JSBᾶngs

not on the internet, at least, b/c you get random internet people ranting at you

Robusto

@Cerberus — Let's not say things we can't take back.

Cerberus

I sensed this when your remark/allusion was vague like that.

Kitḫ

thinks really hard about the crap she's spouted before

Cerberus

@Robusto I have just shredded some replies to JSB, so, yes, "we" can.

JSBᾶngs

4:47 PM

i don't recall @Kit ever spouting crap on this particular topic

Cerberus

How subtle.

Kitḫ

Anyway, clusterf*** might be just what I need to help pay off the new car!

Robusto

@Cerberus — Just remember, you can't spell "American" without "I can"! And you can't spell German without "germ."

Kitḫ

@JSBᾶngs phew Nothing to take back then.

JSBᾶngs

@Kitḫ hey, you get lots of billable hours!

MetaEd

4:48 PM

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Q: Word/ phrase for : 'to uplift/ enhance one's mental level/ creativity/ knowledge'

I'm looking out for a word (a verb) or a very short phrase(<15 chars.) that somewhat conveys : 'to uplift/ enhance one's mental level/ creativity/ knowledge/ skills'. 'To take one's mental level to the next level & transform him into more intelligent being'. Simplest & shorter words ar...

word-choice single-word-requests slang phrase-requests

Cerberus

@Robusto Ehhh right!

MetaEd

It's a shame that "drink the Kool-aid" is more than 15 characters.

Kitḫ

@JSBᾶngs That's what I am thinking. Plus the clients wouldn't have a clue if I was doing it right or not.

Cerberus

@MetaEd Waaaahh couldn't you have protected us from this crap?

throws bleach on monitor

Kitḫ

@MetaEd drinkthekoolaid

Robusto

4:50 PM

Meh, I made a snarky comment on that one.

I'll probably have to delete it. But I can let it stand for a few minutes.

Cerberus

You devil.

MetaEd

@Robusto You can't spell American without "manic" either. Or "camera".

Cerberus

I say keep it.

Mahnax

🐱

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Robusto I upvoted your comment

MetaEd

4:51 PM

You can spell "Japanese" without "camera" but I recommend that you do not.

Cerberus

Sad cat?

Kitḫ

@MetaEd Close it. Doesn't meet the criteria for single-word-request.

Robusto

@MetaEd — Sure you can. Letter-order is important.

Mahnax

@Cerberus Oh, so people can see it then?

Cerberus

No, it's invisible.

Kitḫ

4:51 PM

@Mahnax I can't.

Cerberus

Yes, I can.

Mahnax

@Kitḫ Darn.

@Cerberus What browser/OS do you use?

Cerberus

But I made an effort once to get my unicode fonts straightened out.

Firefox/XP; I used to be unable to see some unicode characters that other could, until I downloaded lots of fonts.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mahnax I can't, Windows 7, Firefox latest.

Mahnax

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, it's fancy unicodes methinks. What do you see?

Cerberus

4:53 PM

They key was, if I remember correctly, installing the font Code2000.

JSBᾶngs

@Mahnax I can't, Win7, Chrome latest

Mahnax

@JSBᾶngs I see. No Unicode for you!

Robusto

Why does Firefox want me to to install it on my Android phone? How would memory leaks help me there?

Cerberus

@Mahnax I can't see it in Chrome!

Mahnax

@Cerberus Aww.

Cerberus

4:54 PM

So I probably tinkered with my FF a bit too.

Now I only very rarely see any characters that I can't see in FF.

What about this? ▇▅▉

Heh. Okay.

@Robusto I need to add that to my word search program.

Right now I search for the letters in any order.

And yes, Kit, this is all your fault.

Cerberus

Snice wnhe edos lttree rorde tamert?

Robusto

4:56 PM

Apr 17 '11 at 12:30, by Robusto

Well, that's why we go over these things, etc.

Cerberus

I have my default font (in FF Options - Content) set to Code2000, my default encoding (Options - Content - Advanced) to Unicode 8.

Mahnax

@Cerberus As logn as the frsit and lsat lttrees are the smae, it is cpomiblehensre.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Mahnax I see a box with little tiny numbers in it

Mahnax

@MrShinyandNew安宇 Interesting.

Bye everyone!

Cerberus

@Mahnax Yes, well, it gets much harder to read in more complicated texts, and with longer words.

Bye!

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