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Q: Is the phrase "in function of" proper English?

I'm not sure if this is pure English, or just something I picked up as a direct translation from my native language (Dutch). It applies to maths/computer terms. An example usage would be: "X is created in function of Y." Someone I know claims this is not English. He suggests I use "X is cre...

"Please help me prove him wrong." :-D

10:20 AM

@Cerberus Yeah, a real philosopher.

I mean, it's not like Habermas is easier to parse.

10:49 AM

Yo

11:17 AM

Well I don't like to judge solely on appearances but he looks more like a mutant turtle than Jürgen Habermas.

@z7sg Have you seen Habermas lately?

12:10 PM

@RegDwight No, I believe he rarely makes public appearances these days... are you suggesting he has turned blue and grown a shell?

@Cerberus No that seems like scrap text generated from a grammar engine and a corpus of bad text books. However that doesn't change the fact that anybody who managed to get an upvote out of randomly generated text probably deserves some bonus credit.

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@z7sg Very much so, the only difference are the sunglasses, actually.

And I dunno about you, but whenever I turn on my TV set, I see Habermas. Like all over the place.

Hup.

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Q: "How does serverfault, stackoverflow and other stackExchange sites connect together?"

Is that "does" or "do" ? Because I'm talking about multiple items, it would be "do". What is more correct?

Is "does" actually the correct answer? That sounds horribly, horribly wrong to me.

12:26 PM

That's because it is horribly, horribly wrong.

Then we should probably fix that.

Since it's an accepted answer.

And it's wrong.

@RegDwight — I think you're exaggerating, as usual. It's merely horribly wrong, not horribly, horribly wrong. Possibly egregiously wrong. I'll have to mull that one over.

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@Robusto — Do you have an em dash on your keyboard?

@TimN — I could tell you, but then I'd be revealing secrets about my keyboard. Suffice to say that in Windows the key combo is ALT + 0151.

@Kit Same here, something else is going on in that case besides the bits that Ham and Bacon described. "Does" in that sentence 'does' sound like fingernails on a blackboard.

12:38 PM

¬.¬

I'll make sure to star you now and then for easy copy-paste instead.

@TimN Or you could just use Alt and then 0151 on your numeric keypad. ☺

I just learned how to do that last week.

On me Mac it's Option-Shift hyphen.

@Robusto Argh. I took my time to compose a most excellent comment, only to be told that I can't post it cause ThirdIdiot has deleted his answer.

Ooh, the ☺ is useful too.

12:42 PM

@RegDwight — I feel your pain.

For some reason, alt + 4 digits feels even dirtier than copy-pasting. I'll try to find a typography-focused keyboard layout.

I just posted a legit answer to the can can question and got a downvote for my efforts. I think someone's in a bad mood this morning. Hmm, now it disappeared.

The winds blow strange here in EL&U.

@Robusto Apparently so. I mostly hang out in Unix & Linux where everything is very mechanical. I've never seen a question with three different accepted answers inside of ten minutes before. (As just happened on the "does/do" question.)

@TimN Alt 1 is ☺

@RegDwight It's Green Eggs and Ham now, not ThirdIdiot.

@TimN "Dirty" like some hot chicks, or "dirty" like the homeless drunkard living under the bridge?

@Kit: The drunkard. But there's probably unicode for the other kind of dirty as well.

☺♥☺

Mr. Disappointment

12:52 PM

Howdy.

@TimN ♀♥♀ Oh, yeah. Megan Fox and Jennifer Tilly. In my brain this morning, anyway.

@MrDisappointment Morning.

Mr. Disappointment

@Kit Afternoon here, and a freakin' expensive on at that!

Damn mechanics.

Yowzah.

@MrDisappointment Busted tranny?

Mr. Disappointment

Ya, I think (my mind is inclined to make a sexual joke, though I'll refrain.)

Ah, yes. Funny how I forget those things when I'm thinking of those other things.

Mr. Disappointment

12:56 PM

Brake shoes detached, cylinder busted, fluid discharge and the handbrake cable snapped.

What did you do?

Avoid an accident?

Doesn't sound like a busted tranny though.

Mr. Disappointment

The guy seems to think 'wear and tear', but based on experience of driving it I beg to differ. A glass bottle got caught in the spin of my wheel on Saturday and smashed against the bottom of my car.

I'm not certain this is the cause (since a lot of the damage is in a self-contained compartment, but I'm human and so like to deduce patterns of cause and effect. I could be completely wrong.

Oh, snap. Wicked bummer.

In my region, we'd say "you got your car all stove up. That's a wicked pisser."

Mr. Disappointment

And where is that? Just in case I should ever be there and need to sound local.

That's in the United States, not Canada, despite popular opinion.

Now I'm going to delete that.

1:06 PM

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Q: What is exactly Cognitive Science about?

I'm wondering what is cognitive science all about. I've read the wikipedia entry for Cognitive Science and, well, I'm not sure if what I think is cognitive science is cognitive science. So, basically, is anyone able to condense that whole page into one paragraph? Well, I'd thought that cognit...

This hasn't been closed yet? Really?

@Robusto I used to be a cognitive scientist, so I recused myself.

I am one of the incognoscenti, so I didn't recuse myself.

Perfect.

@Robusto voted to close.

Of course, maybe the question really is as it stands: What is "exactly Cognitive Science" about? Maybe the OP wants to know how exactly works in that sentence. Should there be a comma there? An Oxford comma, perhaps? Or a Harvard comma? Should an adjective be used? Maybe we can work in "a vs. an" somehow as well.

1:21 PM

Skeptics: Is there any evidence that cognitive science really means anything?

1:31 PM

@Kit — I am fairly sure that science means something. But how would I know that without some cognitive process happening?

So few people actually have a cognitive process these days...

2:05 PM

Woof.

@Kit What! I didn't claim I had any?

@Caleb: Yeah, I really wonder who gave him that up-vote. Perhaps the OP gave him a pity vote.

I would give him a pity downvote. But I need like 12 edits for that.

@Cerberus Also, note Caleb's very own pity upvote.

Hi.

Where did Caleb get an up-vote?

By the way, I'm not sure we can still win the current war.

He didn't get one, he upvoted that incomprehensible answer.

I won't be able to crunch out another 180 points in the time remaining.

@RegDwight Ah, got it.

@Cerberus It's only 140 now. I built a rather strong deck by accident. So for once, I am actually helping. Somewhat.

2:17 PM

Haha.

Yeah.

Actually I was building a deck for that raid.

Because none of my six decks worked. At all.

Good. What's in it? And is it good on defense (probably, since attack is somewhat harder)?

@RegDwight Yes, I did. The hover-tip for up-voting suggests doing so if the answer is useful. Trying to read that answer made me laugh until I cried. I consider that useful.

@Cerberus I just checked that list I posted earlier.

2 days ago, by RegDwight

Hatchet (R), Exodrone (UI), Predator (UX), Havoc (UR), Tiamat (UI), Shapeshifter (UB), Omega (LR), Hunter (UR), Stealthy Niaq (UX); Commander: Atlas (R)

And tried to build that one.

@Caleb A valid, but undermining mindset. I like it in a twisted way.

2:18 PM

Turns out, I only have four out of those ten cards, and nobody knows what his eleventh card was.

So I just threw in six other cards like a woman buys a car.

Haha!

"Oh, look, this card is blue!"

Way to go!

The thing is, it still doesn't work in that raid. Kinda embarrassing.

Well, the raid is hard.

2:20 PM

I wouldn't have expected that!

My main deck does about 1:1. Th thing is, you need to rebuild your deck entirely to fit the raid, which is tiresome.

The first one was a breeze. I thought the second one would be somewhat harder, but not completely impossible!

I had warned you...

Well, you warned me about like the tenth raid, not the second.

For one thing, kick out most of your cards with active abilities.

Xeno Walker was the only Raid I'd tried at the time... I haven't tried Arctis yet. Is it doable?

2:22 PM

@Cerberus Well, I beat it all by myself in two hours.

If that doesn't mean something, nothing does.

So what does your feminine deck look like?

Um, lemme see.

@RegDwight It means... it wasn't excessively hard. polite smile

If you need an extremely convenient post-screenshot-to-imageshack program, let me know...

user image

@Caleb Oh, which one? I love confusing answers!

2:24 PM

Ah, you have the Silos!

@Cerberus Thanks, but what I really need is a Firefox downgrade. Like, to 0.6, the last version it was still a bird rather than a canine.

Hey don't bash the canines!

Oops.

@RegDwight face slap (just a little one)

I mean.

2:25 PM

What is FF doing to upset you?

Thanks, but what I really need is a Firefox downgrade. Like, to 0.7, the very first version it was a canine.

What is that Xeno card? Does it work? Why siphon? I usually find that, by the time siphon could be useful, I've lost already...

@RegDwight Thank you.

@Cerberus Our admins upgraded my Ubuntu + FF, and now my Flash literally flashes. Random gray blocks of random sizes pop up and jump and dance all over the place. I can't see anything or click anywhere.

By the way, I think this game has pushed our chat room to new heights of imcomprehensibility.

The above screenshot is composed of three taken at different times.

2:27 PM

Yikes. Use FF portable from USB?

Meh. I have a better solution. This stupid Firefox thing just needs to die for good, in a nuclear fire of epic proportions, visible from the backside of Alpha Centauri with your eyes closed.

Hmm... I sympathize with your sentiments, but I must step up for the canine. Why is it FF's problem?

But how do you really feel about it, @RegDwight? I mean, don't hold back on our account.

Hey don't encourage him.

@Cerberus Because I don't have any such problems in Opera, Chrome, or dare I say it, IE9.

2:31 PM

Which version of FF are they making you use? I have no problems on 3.6 or 4.

By the way, how do those slow cards work for you? Like the silos and the Xeno guy?

4.0.1. But the thing is, it's not that 3.x or 2.x never sucked. They just sucked in a different way.

I mean, look, I was among the very first people on this planet to use Firefox. So I reserve the right to be among the very first people to no longer use it.

I am open to criticism on my beloved cousin. But if I am not effected by the things that you are suffering from, is Firefox really the problem?

@Cerberus I threw in silos in exchange for another card (don't remember which one it was), after losing once.

@Cerberus Hey, I never said any of my problems were yours.

Okay, let me known how they perform. I quit using 4's all together...

... but I may be wrong, and I don't have the Silos.

I got them a few days ago, but this is actually the first time I'm putting them to any use.

2:35 PM

You have the time to set them up?

I find that II are quite effective against the faction we're fighting at the moment.

Rats, someone from the other team woke up and attacked. We're now 400 points behind.

... said I, losing against an all-II deck for the first time in ages. Okay I'm dumping all but one II.

@RegDwight Yikes. I don't think we can salvage that.

Not in the 58 minutes left, no.

But hey, at least I got a new ~~car~~ deck out of that!

That is the right mindset! Think of possessions always.

I am proud of you.

BTW, how did you get into that raid yesterday?

The one you invited me to.

2:40 PM

I don't remember, but someone probably invited me.

People post Raid links in chat all the time.

Ah, the chat.

By the way, you'll love the Enclave Raid. Its commander has weaken all 2, and some other skill I forgot.

Are you really planning on finishing this Xeno Raid? Because we need at least 20 more people to stand a chance.

Yeah well.

That's why I was asking.

How you get more people.

Though it's kinda embarrassing to invite people to a raid without having contributed to beating it myself.

You won't get any honour (neither game honour nor real honour) from it anyway, if you don't win several times.

I know, I know.

2:46 PM

OK.

I think I'll just keep checking the chat for raid invitationg rather than starting any raids myself.

Yeah that's what I do.

Again, I was tricked into thinking the difficulty would be slowly rising from one raid to the next.

Anyhows.

I have a new strategy for the Factions.

Check this link for estimates on difficulty, which are a bit on the low side, if you ask me:

I think I will only start wars against considerably weaker factions from now on and let you handle wars declared on us by others.

2:48 PM

warmetal.wikia.com/wiki/Tyrant_Raids#Difficulty

@RegDwight Might be a good idea; have you been starting wars against stronger factions of late?

Jun 15 at 23:16, by RegDwight

I used to pick ones with a score slightly above ours.

Our current enemy would be doable if I had been awake earlier, provided that not more of them wake up.

So, as our score rises, so do those of the opponents I choose.

Right.

The problem is, I don't quite see how I could improve my deck. It may be possible, but I don't see it. So, if we meet a guy with defense decks as good as the ones we had to fight just after the Update, we will fail miserably.

Just as we would fail against a faction like our current enemy but with more active members.

I think we must definitely be the only faction to have reached level 3 with only two members...

Well, more active members is always a problem.

Semi-jinx.

2:55 PM

Yes. Could we not shanghai some EL&U'ers?

I have tried coaxing Robusto. But it'd take at least a month to get him properly trained.

Extra! Extra! Dog Trains Man

Yeah, it will always take some time for any newbie to get strong cards.

@Rhodri kiss, kiss

Can I be inappropriately familiar with you?

Get a room.

@RegDwight kiss, kiss to you too.

3:00 PM

@Kit Just call me Mr Inappropriate :-)

Good... morning? Do I want to walk in on this?

You'll find out soon enough.

Don't worry, we're fully clothed

@aedia kiss, kiss

Wait, what? You are clothed?

3:01 PM

@RegDwight Yup. It's the company dress code: "Wear clothes."

I'm clothed, but pantsless. That's cool, right?

I didn't think clothes were allowed here?

@Kit Possibly even chilly

Well, just look at the gravatars.

The fox, the hare, and the dog are all naked.

The unicorn, too.

We're wearing fur.

3:02 PM

Yeah, thank god you cropped the image above your waist.

And @Rhodri's only got sunglasses on.

I'm shoeless too.

Yeah, that worked really well.

@aedia Like Joe Jackson.

Actually I don't think that line of mine was appropriate.

3:03 PM

I will recite it from memory.

What a strange thing to censor.

As a welcome to new users.

Like Kosmonaut's famous "sometimes I crap a little in my sleep".

hahaha! He didn't!

Apr 23 at 1:12, by RegDwight

@Kosmonaut http://chat.stackexchange.com/messages/874237/history

Apr 23 at 1:12, by Kosmonaut

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

Hey, I misquoted him. What he actually said was, "Sorry, I crap in my sleep sometimes."

@Cerberus It was appropriate for being inappropriately familiar!

3:05 PM

So when I get my 10k rep, I can view deleted chat messages too?

I thought it was only answers and questions.

And comments.

And lions and tigers and bears.

Oh my!

I'm sorry, Kit. I'm afraid you can't do that.

I understand now, RegDwight. Thank you for explaining it to me.

@aedia I know! But, still...

@Cerberus: what is that War Metal Wiki talking about? It's like a completely different game.

I will not comment on Kosmonaut's habits.

3:08 PM

warmetal.wikia.com/wiki/Titan_%28Epic_Boss%29

warmetal.wikia.com/wiki/Special_Weapons

Half of it is about the Facebook game.

So it's that different?

Apparently. I have no idea.

@aedia I am ridiculously worked up today.

@Kit About what?

3:10 PM

@Cerberus Not worked up like irritated. Worked up like lathered. Hot and bothered. I'm having a hard time focusing on being appropriate.

i.e., my Jennifer Tilly comment earlier.

2 hours ago, by Kit

@TimN ♀♥♀ Oh, yeah. Megan Fox and Jennifer Tilly. In my brain this morning, anyway.

@Kit Aww. Well, I don't think we mind.

@RegDwight That'd be the one.

Transformers was on last night.

Am I the only person to think that Megan Fox is a rather hideous moron?

@RegDwight Moron, yes. Hideous, depends how far into the IPA I've gotten.

3:14 PM

Thankfully I don't know her.

@RegDwight Hideous moron? Yes, but neither of those things matter when she's got her head under the hood of my Camaro.

So you let hideous morons touch your stuff?

With their hideous heads, no less?

Where's Mr. Disappointment when you need him?

@MrDisappointment We're summoning you to the chat room. Can you chat?

WTF PEEPLEZ?

i go away for two weeks and @RegDwight turns into some kind of obese bunny?

@JSBangs Ahem Morning.

3:16 PM

@JSBangs Your not MrD.

Your JSB.

@Kit, sorry, but i'm still reeling in shock over that profile pic

Take a number, please.

@JSBangs He's not a bunny. He's a viscacha.

^ That.

google images is not persuading me that a viscacha can't be described as "some kind of obese bunny"

3:17 PM

More pix starting here.

@JSBangs Viscacha = rodent. Bunny = lagomorph. Totally different.

at least @Cerb still looks familiar

It's actually called "Hare Mouse" in German.

Jun 14 at 13:49, by RegDwight

in German Language and Usage, 1 hour ago, by RegDwight

Die Hasenmäuse oder Bergviscachas (Lagidium) sind eine Nagetiergattung aus der Familie der Chinchillas (Chinchillidae). Es werden vier Arten unterschieden: die Peruanische Hasenmaus (Lagidium peruanum), die Cuvier-Hasenmaus (L. viscacia), die Südliche Hasenmaus (L. wolffsohni) und Lagidium ahuacaense. Merkmale Hasenmäuse erinnern äußerlich an Kaninchen mit langen Schwänzen. Sie erreichen eine Kopfrumpflänge von 30 bis 45 Zentimeter, die Schwanzlänge beträgt 20 bis 40 Zentimeter. Die Peruanische Hasenmaus ist die leichteste Art, sie erreicht 0,9 bis 1,6 Kilogramm, während die beiden and...

Think of Reg as an obese chinchilla.

I mean, come on, Kit has changed her gravatar, too. And half the room is unicorns!

3:19 PM

huh

Unicorns, @JSB, unicorns!

@Kit was just a quilt square before, wasn't she?

unicorns, yes

No, I was a clock.

i like the kit fox, though

@Kit, well, that shows how well i remember

@JSBangs Actually, it's a fennec fox. It was a little cuter than the kit fox.

Makes it more surprising when I POUNCE!

But thanks.

☺

You missed my unicorn. It was wacky.

3:21 PM

were the unicorns in celebration of anything in particular?

tomsmithonline.com/lyrics/my_unicorn.htm

@JSBangs Now, what do you think of Megan Fox: hot with her head under your hood or kick her out of bed for eating crackers?

Actually, @Kit is lying to you, @JSB.

Her old gravatar wasn't a clock.

@RegDwight It's only @z7sg who's left as a unicorn besides me! We're not half the room. Being a viscacha is fluffling up your math skillz.

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3:23 PM

sheesh. i can't believe anything anyone says to me here any more

@RegDwight Dude, WTF? Where's my clock?

@JSBangs Hey, at least you haven't moved on from Chrono Trigger to Shadow of the Colossus. Or Kinectimals. Or something.

Where's your what? Oh, clock ...

@Kit having never watched any transformer movie, i have only the vaguest idea of what Megan Fox looks like

@JSBangs I think suddenly everyone rediscovered how to be unicorns, that's all.

3:24 PM

user image

@JSBangs Well, let's move on to Jennifer Tilly then.

And that's a picture where she looks smart.

@RegDwight that face certainly isn't doing anything for me

@JSBangs It's not her face that does it for me.

user image

There. There's my damn clock.

Hey, look, even I would never put on a black bra under a white shirt, and I am a guy.

3:27 PM

@Kit Gina Gershon is better.

i'll take jennifer tilly over megan fox. based on what google images shows me. but where is she famous from?

Poker.

@Kit I think they're both in Bound, though. Okay, now I'm distracted.

hmm. she looks familiar, but i don't recall actually having seen her in any of the things that the Wik mentions

Megan Fox

@aedia Yes, Bound, yes, thank you @aedia. Yum.

3:29 PM

user image

@JSBangs Well, duh. Jennifer Tilly is smart and hot, and she's got that voice that will just ... ah, excuse me a moment.

@Kit Yeah well. Even Shia LaBoeuf is a hotter ~~bia~~ chick compared to that.

@Martha Why does the hand move back and forth?

@RegDwight i actually like The Beef, going back to his stint on that Disney Channel show

@RegDwight Barf.

@RegDwight I dunno, I just found it on the internets.

3:31 PM

Hey, Martha just found a perpetuum mobile!

Luck one must have, young Padawan.

youtube.com/watch?v=8QY22dFvVq0 [Maybe NSFW]

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Q: General rule for pronouncing initialisms?

Some initialisms are pronounced letter by letter, some as a word. Is there a general rule as when to use which pronunciation for acronyms that are new and don't have well established pronunciation yet? I've seen a lot of confusion, especially in the IT world. For example WSGI — most often ...

pronunciation initialisms

Isn't this a dupe?

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Q: Pronouncing acronyms

I've noticed that some people in my office spell out "data import tool" as D. I. T., whereas others will say "dit" (like "ditty"). Is trying to pronounce an acronym as a word, as opposed to spelling it out, ever correct?

pronunciation acronyms

@JSBangs Jennifer Tilly is also the voice of Joe's wife on Family Guy.

Mr. Disappointment

@Kit Depends on the subject.

@MrDisappointment Well, @RegDwight said he needed you for the Megan Fox-Jennifer Tilly ~~free for all~~ conversation.

Mr. Disappointment

3:37 PM

@RegDwight @JSBangs wishes to be the harbinger of disappointment. Only I can give foresee and prescribe adequate doses.

@psmears is in my internets leaving strange comments, saying the exact same thing I am saying, but making it sound as if he disagreed with me.

Mr. Disappointment

@Kit Ahh, maybe he expected some bad jokes?

Could be.

Hahaha, Martin Beckett votes to close the intialism question as a dupe, and then goes on to answer it...

@RegDwight It's always possible that he's giving a better answer than the existing ones. Except he isn't, but that's a mere detail.

3:44 PM

@Rhodri i've done the same thing a few times

The thing is, if he thinks this is a dupe, he should be answering the original question.

Mr. Disappointment

@RegDwight: Now, that is silly.

The thing is, I will merge, and then he will end up answering the original question anyway.

Mr. Disappointment

I had a a comment discussion the other day with some guy that found it quite bizarre that I would answer a question that I had voted to close / migrate.

Migration is different.

Basically you say, this question should survive (on another site, but still), so here's my answer.

Mr. Disappointment

3:45 PM

That's what I thought ...the answer would still stand (I thought it was a reasonable question, just in the wrong place.)

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Q: Is the meaning of "This is it" figurative?

The phrase "kick the bucket" is a figurative phrase - it means "to die", although using it does not imply any actual kicking or any actual buckets. The question I am asking is if the phrase "this is it" is figurative or literal? Let us look at an example: Well boys, I reckon this is it. ...

figures-of-speech

Mr. Disappointment

But to close as dupe then answer, I actually do think this is silly...

I've provoked Unreason into uncertainty. I'm so proud.

Mr. Disappointment

Merging, as it 'should' occur, doesn't. <-- That's a generalisation, and not to come across as belittling your pro-active efforts here on EL&U.

4:05 PM

K piplz, I gotta go. Laterz.

Mr. Disappointment

And me, home time!

Good job my far was fixed in time - see ya.

@MrDisappointment It was a near thing, then?

4:31 PM

@RegDwight No, I'm disagreeing with you, but sounding like I'm saying the exact same thing. Or something...

(that's better - it scrolled just as I clicked on the "reply" arrow, and I got the wrong one!)

@psmears i was wondering why you had pinged me :)

@JSBangs Yeah, sorry about that!

4:57 PM

@psmears should i read your name p smears p s mears or p s m ears??

Bogdan Lataianu

i have a question

i offered bounties to some questions of others. What happens with the bounties if I dont give them within 7 days;

@BogdanLataianu they are eaten by Nidhoggr, the Net Serpent

(meaning that you lose the rep, but no one else gains it)

Bogdan Lataianu

(shaking in fear) aah better give them

@BogdanLataianu Leave them... so that Nidhoggr may be appeased by the offering!

Bogdan Lataianu

lol thanks

5:06 PM

@z7sg Online you can read it however you choose, but irl it's the first of those options :)

@JSBangs Actually sometimes some of the rep does go to other people in these circumstances

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A: How does the bounty system work?

Sources: the official FAQ and blog. See also the official privileges page for bounties. What is a bounty? A bounty is a special reputation award given to answers. This feature was designed to motivate answerers, and make questions get the answers they deserve. As a bounty starter, the boun...

5:59 PM

@psmears You are saying that substituting another phrase is cheating. Which was precisely my point.

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