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2:02 AM
Yeah, I've seen that here too, bunch of idiots.
 
Oh I didn't know that was international. Funny.
 
Pulp culture, you say?
 
You have an answer for everything!
<st>test</st>
 
Are you asking me or telling me?
 
2:06 AM
How did that work again?
This.
 
3am and it's still horrifically muggy, stupid weather.
 
Where's that?
 
LINDIN, according to Cerberus.
 
Stupid indeed. Here it has been the most beautiful, clear-sky weather for weeks!
Lindin indeed!
 
We've had 6mm of rain in the last 6 weeks I believe, 3mm of that was earlier today.
 
2:13 AM
Oh, you mean Lundinium.
 
Aye, south of Verulamium.
 
Sorry, Londinium.
The city of London () was established by the Romans around AD 43. It was never the capital of Roman Britain as the capital was Camuludunum and served as a major imperial commercial centre until its abandonment during the 5th century. Origins and language Londinium was established as a town by the Romans after the invasion of AD 43 led by the Roman Emperor Claudius. Archaeologists now believe that Londinium was founded as a civilian settlement or civitas by AD 50. A wooden drain by the side of the main Roman road excavated at No 1 Poultry has been dated by dendrochronology to 47 which ...
 
Wasn't it Londinium?
Ah.
 
I was thinking of Lunden, which is what it was called in the 11th century.
 
Which is still the rough pronunciation.
 
2:14 AM
Sounds almost Scandinavian...
 
Well, half the country was Scandinavian up to midway through the 11th century.
Including the monarchy.
 
It might have been part of the Danelaw. I can't remember. Would have to get out my British Ordnance Survey map of Britain Before The Norman Conquest.
 
London was too far south for the Danelaw, but was under the sway a few times early on.
I'm impressed you have OS maps.
My mother is a geography lecturer, we have all of them I think.
 
No, Lunden was just southwest of the "boundary" — as was Bermondsley.
I have all the maps as well, starting with Roman Britain.
 
Well, I more meant the modern Landranger sets (there are 204 of them), but yes, the historical ones are great.
 
2:22 AM
Cool, so they also make historical maps.
 
One of my favourite books in the house is a historical atlas of Europe, through the last couple of millennia, detailing major movements, settlements, wars, etc.
 
I have some of those. The Times Atlas of World History, among others.
 
Yeah, that's quite a pleasant one for whiling away a night.
 
Yay!
 
On that note, this night is almost totally whiled.
 
2:25 AM
I've wished that Google Earth would do a historical version, which you could run in time lapse.
 
That would be awesome
 
Totally.
 
Yeah! The emergence and decline of empires...
 
Someone needs to lobby Google.
 
So how many maps do those historical atlases have?
 
2:25 AM
I mean, if they can do Google Earth at all they should be able to do that.
Well, the thing to do is get hired by Google and make that your 20% project.
 
Americans could learn about the world before Jamestown.
 
Sure they could. But it would not be cheap, and not be of practical use. Then again, they also did Ngrams.
 
The days when I could've got hired by Google are long behind me, too long in the tooth now.
I have friends working for them though.
 
Well, tell them to do it!
 
@Cerberus — Not be of practical use? Bite thy tongue, Dutch boy!
It would be of IMMENSE practical use to ME.
 
2:27 AM
*tongues
 
wevs.
 
But let's be honest, are you practical?
 
Damn straight.
 
History is intensely practical, it stops you making huge SOAB mistakes over and over.
 
Straight != practical...
 
2:28 AM
Like invading countries, imperialistic dominance, etc.
 
I was thinking from Google's perspective here.
 
@Cerberus — I can't help it. I didn't choose to be straight. I was born this way.
 
Google's perspective is its users.
Straightness is a curse.
 
@Rob: That is sad. Just go to some Christian camp or something and get over it.
 
Well, NGrams isn't going to knock Facebook off the planet anytime soon.
 
2:29 AM
@Orb: Yeah, but... they'd need enough users interested in that. Could be.
 
@Cerberus — I think by Christian you mean anti-Christian. Common typo.
 
There are anti-Christian camps?
 
Right. It is all those antipastos...
 
I've only heard rumors.
 
hungry again
 
2:30 AM
I think the UK might be one.
 
Haha.
 
No, the UK is anti-Catholic, not anti-Christian.
 
Is religion still alive and breathing among educated youngsters in England?
 
The word Christian here is practically a synonym for stupid.
 
C of E and all that.
 
2:31 AM
I do know some Christians, granted.
 
So the first mate of the H.M.S. Bounty was Fletcher Stupid? Interesting ...
 
I know a few rare specimens, but they'd never, ever talk about it, because it is definitely not in vogue here.
 
Out of the 200 odd people I have on Facebook, I count about 5 proper Christians. One of those is American.
 
Gawd, what I wouldn't give to live in a country where the vast majority of people don't believe in mythology.
Finally got it right.
 
Good, I thought you had gone special.
 
2:35 AM
Too much wine. Hard to see the screen.
 
The people who claim to be Christian here, which is a large number, are Christian in the modern CofE sense, which means you have Christenings, Marriages and Funerals in church, and don't step foot in them at any other time, unless you are sightseeing.
 
"Special"? Hah.
 
The correct method of dealing with actual believers, is derision, mockery and well, more of that really.
 
Here, about 50% of the entire population don't even call themselves Christians any more.
 
Aye, that's good.
Not seen the latest census results yet, as they were only taken 6 weeks ago.
 
2:37 AM
Something like 75% of Americans attend church regularly and believe in heaven and hell and the whole nine yards.. It really creeps me out.
 
I once read somewhere that England had relatively high church attendance, but someone else said that was outdated.
You can always emigrate to Europe if Palin conquers the WH!
 
From what I read, the statistic was about 43% of Americans are actual creationists...
 
Wow.
 
@Cerberus I think you mean that the English have to be high to step into a church.
 
If Palin conquerors the White House, I think Europe needs to emigrate to the moon.
 
2:38 AM
@Orbling — That is a scary thought.
 
On church attendance in the UK, I have three friends that attend regularly, out of hundreds.
 
Church attendance refers to the reception of religious services offered by a particular church, or more generally, by any religious organisation. Participation statistics Gallup International indicates that 41% of American citizens report they regularly attend religious services, compared to 15% of French citizens, 10% of UK citizens, and 7.5% of Australian citizens. However, these numbers are open to dispute. ReligiousTolerance.org states: :"Church attendance data in the U.S. has been checked against actual values using two different techniques. The true figures show that only about 21...
Haha.
 
I have a lot of Muslim friends who attend mosque regularly.
 
I knew one classmate from high school, but he emigrated to Curaçao.
Well, not technically emigrated, but moved.
 
Probably for the best.
 
2:40 AM
Muslim friends? That is kind of cool.
 
I fail to see why anyone would lie about not going to church.
 
Aye, God might be watching and smite them.
 
But how would he know they were lying?
 
It is probably their mothers and vicars...
They won't know.
 
Muslim friends is highly normal, well in London at least. You can't swing a cat without hitting someone from every country, creed, religion, etc.
 
2:42 AM
And Londoners take their cat-swinging pretty damn seriously, I understand.
 
Incidentally, you can't swing a cat without getting in serious trouble.
 
About 1/3 of the people in Amsterdam are Muslims too... but they hardly mix.
 
Slinx!
@Cerberus So, a Muslim counts as 1/3 of a person in Holland?
 
LOL, now he's in trouble.
 
Fine I'll rephrase...
 
2:43 AM
London is so interbred, I would be surprised if 1/3 of each person wasn't.
 
There.
Heh.
Funny. The groups stay mostly separate here.
 
If I were wealthy I'd definitely keep a flat in London.
 
They each cling to their own kind.
 
Well, yes, they do here a bit. But only once they hit late teens.
Schools are totally mixed, whether you maintain those friends through adulthood is down to personal bias.
 
I'd go every few months just to do a theater blitz.
 
2:46 AM
I tutor the "worst off" kids of the Amsterdam gymnasiums (special project), who happen to be all of non-Dutch backgrounds; and I see that, even within their very small group, they sort of hang out with kids of their own ethnic background. I expect that effect to be even stronger in school types where more than 1% is non-Dutch.
 
My primary school class had, CofE, Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Seventh-Day, Pentecostal, Muslims, Jews, Atheists, Agnostics, Plymouth Brethren, Jehovah's Witness, Buddhist, Shintoist, Hindu, Jain, Sikh, Rastafarian.
 
Haha wow. Plymouth Brethren, even?
 
1%? My secondary school was over 60% non-English background.
 
My primary school class had Catholics and ... well ... more Catholics.
 
Those guys are real wackos, aren't they?
 
2:47 AM
I've got a lot of Plymouth Brethrens I know.
 
I know one.
He is totally fucked up (says so himself).
 
One of my companies major clients is a company of theirs, so I work with them daily, my area has a lot, so I've grown up with them.
 
I thought Chrysler stopped making the Plymouth Brethren.
 
They're not allowed to have friends outside of their group, or socialise at all. Or have TVs, read newspapers, etc.
 
I believe his parents' sect within the P.B. is among the strictest; there is only one stricter sect, who had been besieged by the FBI in some desert compound once.
 
2:49 AM
lol
 
I think he meant that seriously hehe.
 
There's an excellent film called Son of Rambow, that shows up the religion a lot.
 
Hah that plot sounds fun.
 
It's excellent, a quality film, worth watching regardless.
 
@Orbling: Have you seen the film This is England?
 
2:52 AM
I always find it really weird that everywhere else is so, err, unmixed.
 
Outside Lindin?
 
Everywhere feels parochial.
 
Haha.
I know the feeling.
Even though I don't mix as much as you do.
 
@Robusto Yes, love that film. Shane Meadows.
Have you seen the follow up series?
 
No.
 
2:55 AM
Do so, if you liked the film.
Four episodes, This is England '86
 
I will.
13 hours ago, by Robusto
In fact, every language but English sounds, well, foreign. I'm surprised foreigners don't realize that.
 
LOL
Have you seen Dead Man's Shoes?
 
Nope.
 
That's also by Shane Meadows and is excellent.
 
I will see if it's available on Netflix.
 
2:57 AM
Cool, bit violent in places mind.
 
Ah, Netflix only has This is England original. Plus Somers Town.
Also Le Donk & Scor-zay-zee
 
Somers Town ain't too bad. Haven't seen Le Donk yet.
Considine is in it though, again, so it is probably great.
 
Comcast only gives us one BBC channel, and it isn't even HD. Sucks.
 
BBC America? Or do you get a feed from a UK channel?
 
I don't recall. I seldom watch it because I only watch HD unless I absolutely can't help it.
 
3:03 AM
I think the BBC have nine channels here. Only one HD.
 
The last thing I watched on BBC non-HD was the series Luther with Idris Elba.
 
HD is still quite rare here.
New series of that starting this week I think.
 
Which was really good, btw.
 
Well, I like period dramas and sci-fi best.
 
The new Dr. Who?
 
3:05 AM
Amongst others, yes, just saw the latest episode before I came online.
It went all Pirates of the Caribbean today.
Just occurred to me that Doctor Who is probably the only thing that is both.
Though I suppose anything with time travel is by default.
You want to watch nice, pleasant things, like Larkrise to Candleford; Cranford; or a Dickens adaptation.
The BBC's Little Dorrit was excellent.
Anyhow, best retire for the night, or possibly day, light is nearly up.
Night lads.
 
Night.
I'm out too. Night all.
 
3:23 AM
NighT!
I'm out as well.
 
 
7 hours later…
F'x
10:14 AM
noöne's here, everyone's out; I declare myself Leader Of The Room
please refer to me as LOTR from now on…
 
 
2 hours later…
11:46 AM
Math is stealing our questions.
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Q: Where did the word logarithm come from ?

mghandi Where did the word logarithm come from ? any relation to the word 'algorithm'?

 
F'x
revenge! let's steal their math questions… oh, wait, maybe that's what they're after in the first place…
 
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Q: What's an easy way to remember when to use "affect" or "effect"?

inquisitive_web_developerIs there an easy way to remember when to use the word affect or effect in a sentence? It is very confusing, and I still get them mixed up.

Next up: What's an easy way to remember the difference between effectively and affectively?
 
F'x
@Robusto what about it?
 
I mean, come on.
 
It's dupish.
 
11:52 AM
Just because you answered it, F'x, doesn't mean it's not a dupe.
 
F'x
@Robusto never said it's not
 
I don't think F'x answered that one.
 
Hey, I think I just busted Jeff Atwood [snicker]:
 
But I might be blind.
 
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A: What does the kitten get?

RobustoIt means the kitten will be killed, and it is a humorous (i.e. not intended to be taken literally) threat similar to (and perhaps derived from) this cover of the National Lampoon from January, 1973: Although the threats in both cases are mock threats, Jeff Atwood still wants you to upvote ques...

Check out the image.
 
11:54 AM
Well I'll upvote anything with an image in it.
 
F'x
@RegDwight same for me; also, I upvote anything with a giant red quote
 
There's a good lad.
@Fx I know, right?
 
F'x
@Robusto now I even voted to close it
 
@Robusto Hear that, Robusto? Add a quote, and F'x will click the upvote button a second time.
 
@Fx You, sir, are a man of principle. Even if you come to it late. :)
 
11:55 AM
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Q: What's an easy way to remember when to use "affect" or "effect"?

inquisitive_web_developerIs there an easy way to remember when to use the word affect or effect in a sentence? It is very confusing, and I still get them mixed up.

 
The pageman approach.
@MrDisappointment Very slow jinx.
 
Isn't this more than clearly related? As in, proper dupe? Why are we answering dupes at all?
 
F'x
@RegDwight if you were next to me, I would consider slapping you with a glove
 
@MrDisappointment Because not everyone remembers every question ever.
 
Owww, jinx? Maybe there's a pattern emerging..
 
F'x
11:57 AM
@MrDisappointment affect (as in "have an effect on") is not directly linked to "affective", so I thought it was not answered by the original question
 
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Q: How to Remember the Difference Between Effective and Affective?

TaraI always confuse the two and I have no way of telling them apart! Help!

 
But the answer even references the other question. :/
 
Okay, WTF, whose sockpuppet is asking this?
 
F'x
we can close it, but it's nice that it has a specific answer of its own, isn't it?
 
We expect our jinxes to be produced in a sprightly fashion, Mr. Disappointment. You have been a severe Disappointment in this and pretty much all things.
 
11:57 AM
Now I get it. Robusto posted the wrong link here in chat.
He meant this question.
Hence the "F'x answered it."
 
Oh, darn. You're right. I'm so not good at link copying this early in the morning.
 
And in fact, Mr. Disappointment posted the wrong link, too.
 
@F'x Given the wiki / super information centre the SE is, I thought we encouraged all info in one place? Obviously not unrelated info, but when something could still be elaborated on
 
Hence the "the answer links to that question".
This is an extra-super jinx, when two people mean A but post B.
 
That's an occulted jinx.
And "hijinks" actually refers to the jinx that occurs when two people greet each other with the same greeting at the same time. Don't bother to look it up, it's a fact.
 
12:00 PM
@Robusto Maybe I'll work out the whole jinxing mechanisms, one day, until then, you've lost me. ;)
 
@MrDisappointment — You're such a Disappointment™.
 
Apr 17 at 2:00, by Robusto
@RegDwight — The rules of Jinx are clear and inflexible.
What's there not to understand?
 
@RegDwight How did I post the wrong question?
 
That was the question I intentionally posted here. :/
 
12:01 PM
4 mins ago, by Mr. Disappointment
But the answer even references the other question. :/
 
Feb 17 at 21:19, by Robusto
"The rules of Jinx are clear and inflexible." — Pam Beesley, The Office
 
It only does so on this recent one.
 
Why won't it work?
Oh, now it did.
 
If you want to retreat from your jinx, Mr. D, so be it, but only after handing over Robusto's coke.
 
WTF?
 
12:03 PM
Yeah, WTF?
 
http://chat.stackexchange.com:80/users/1460/robusto
That's what that link says.
That's not an original citation.
I mean, it is a citation, just not original.
 
It's the original citation here, I beleve. That's all that matters in EL&U chat.
 
F'x
that link reminds me of the biggest FAIL of the chat interface:
instead of "start a new room with this user", it should clearly say "get a room with this user"
 
Apr 7 at 13:50, by RegDwight
You have to get a chambre séparée.
 
F'x
that, and the fact that the stupid thing doesn't handly copy-paste :(
 
12:06 PM
@Fx — Uh-huh .... uhh ... yeah. Then nobody except doggies would use it.
 
Anyhow, what shall we do with this one?
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Q: What's an easy way to remember when to use "affect" or "effect"?

inquisitive_web_developerIs there an easy way to remember when to use the word affect or effect in a sentence? It is very confusing, and I still get them mixed up.

 
F'x
@RegDwight you know, quoting from a database to pass a Turing test is not a new strategy; doing it very frequently makes others suspicious; but adding blockquote formatting kind of defeats the purpose
 
Some people seem to think that it's distinct enough.
I'm not so sure.
 
@RegDwight failed his Turing test so many times he's not allowed to take it for 6 months.
 
I mean, keeping this one open would essentially allow two versions of every question: "What is the answer to X?" and "What is the answer to X and how do I remember it?"
 
12:09 PM
Yeah.
 
F'x
@RegDwight that's a compelling argument
 
Hey, regarding the "kitten gets it" question, the original statement by Jeff @wood — and by the way, how do you make a capital @?— why doesn't SE just automatically record an upvote to a question every time someone supplies an answer?
 
F'x
I'd say more: I don't think you could be more convincing without adding a kitten pic
 
@RegDwight An answer of the original could be merged with others to provide a single source of information regarding these words - IMO, I don't see the point in having them separate.
 
@MrDisappointment That's what I'm thinking. They should be merged.
I mean, Cerberus' answer only mentions nouns in comments, for example.
So every question is incomplete in its own ways.
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A: What does the kitten get?

The RavenFar as I know, the phrase dates from captions to this photo, some 10 years' back. The "it" in question is self explanatory.

Today is the International Point Guns at Your Animals Day.
 
12:15 PM
Also known as Mother's Day in the U.S.
 
Hahahaha.
 
But I think the whole meme did derive from that National Lampoon cover.
 
@Fx Slso, I think it certainly is, the difference is that no answers went to the bother of explaining the similarities, differences and usages - it didn't encompass all, but simply provided, say, only what the asker asked for - this might be fine, but now that someone wants to know something further, we have a chance to combine a single informative source given these words.
 
@Robusto Quite likely.
 
F'x
@Robusto maybe, but your picture has a dog in it, so you'll get fewer votes than those with cats :)
 
12:17 PM
@Fx — Not the same thing at all.
 
@Fx If you're implying that more people like cats than dogs, then surely people would be more eager to upvote pictures of dogs in danger and dislike those of cats being threatened.
 
@Robusto Oh well, there goes my theory.
Now you are screwed.
 
So pictures with cats being threatened must be more popular, after all.
 
12:20 PM
Undeniable proof.
 
Apr 1 at 12:29, by RegDwight
user image
 
@RegDwight You don't know that. Plenty of dog references probably refer to blood sport, after all.
Michael Dwayne Vick (born June 26, 1980) is an American football quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles of the National Football League. He played for the Atlanta Falcons for six seasons before serving time in prison for his involvement in an illegal dog fighting ring. Vick played college football at Virginia Tech, where as a freshman he placed third in the Heisman Trophy balloting. He left after his sophomore year to enter the NFL and was drafted first overall by the Atlanta Falcons in the 2001 NFL Draft. He became the first African-American quarterback to be selected first overall in ...
 
Stupid Michael, involves himself in an illegal dog fighting ring. Should have picked a legal dog fighting ring instead. D'oh!
 
F'x
 
Well, that's athletes for you.
 
12:23 PM
@Fx This only proves that dogs are serious people, while cats are laughable.
 
Word.
 
F'x
@Robusto Syllable
@Robusto but I swear, that game is bo-ring
 
Loldogz don't ask if they can haz cheezburger. They just jump up and grab it off the table.
 
Off the meat truck.
 
@Fx — What game?
 
12:24 PM
Word is not a game.
It's Microsoft's serious business.
 
Sweet.
 
Haha
OK, I'ma leave you comedians to it, got to run for now...
TTYL.
 
F'x
@Cerberus: and here's one for you
@MrDisappointment see you
 
F'x
12:29 PM
 
Suh-weet!
 
F'x
ok, work calling, see you!
 
cya
I can't get how to do the flyover stuff ... hmm.
 
Sorry, busy commenting on the main site. Sup?
@Robusto Which flyover stuff?
 
Click F'x's link 4 lines up
 
12:41 PM
Ah.
Hm. It's all in German. And the language selected in the dropdown is "English (US)".
 
Would be nice if they mentioned how to actually freakin' do it.
 
Stupid Google, how does it work?
 
I've got it installed and everything, but it doesn't show how to run it.
 
I used to have Google Earth in a Win2000 VMWare on my machine at work.
I can't be arsed to install it here.
 
 
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3:27 PM
@RegDwight: One more reason I don't frequent SO much anymore.
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Q: flash: as3 fullscreen mode problem - screen stays black

haemseHi folks, i'm trying to create a fullscreen slideshow with as3. My problem now is that if I click the fullscreen button too quick (--> before the image has been loaded and hasn't therefore been added to the stage) the screen just stays black and nothing is working anymore (the following images a...

Them pesky Germans. I thought they were all supposed to be precise and logical.
 
thx alot for your reply!yah i already did that
 
3:40 PM
The thing is, if he did it he didn't do it right.
I don't think he understands how events work in Flash/Flex.
 
I would agree with that just going by the comments, without even knowing jack about Flash.
 
Why do I even bother? If you have to bear-lead someone through an entire education in the event model for maybe just a single upvote, what's the point?
 
Well, that's why nobody forces you to answer questions on SO. You have a safe refugium over at Skeptics.
Or Parenting, in fact. This is where you can tell people how to tell their children how to learn Flash.
 
Hahaha.
Going for a walk. TTYL.
 
Have fun!
 
 
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F'x
7:40 PM
how come noöne is here having fun on the EL&U chat on a nice Sunday evening/afternoon
don't pretend like you have a life!
 
8:39 PM
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A: Should downvotes on questions be "free"?

Anna LearEven at -1 rep per downvote, I can see how it can feel like the penalty adds up after a few downvotes: "I would downvote this, but I've already downvoted 5 other answers. I don't want to lose more rep today." Loss aversion is a very strong (de)motivator, so people avoid downvoting due to the rep ...

@Fx I don't have a life, but I do have LEGO.
 
 
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10:46 PM
why doesnt have anything about multi-media or something like that?
 
11:08 PM
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Q: What's the word for "twelvely"?

glowcoderIf something is nested twice, it's "double nested" If something is nested three times, it's "triple nested" If something is nested twelve times, it's ... What? "Dodecly nested?" Thanks! Edit: not really sure what the tags for this would be. Feel free to retag at will. :-) Edit2: Apparently, ...

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Q: How to form single, double, triple... and uni-, bi-, tri-... words?

ClaudiuI'm not sure what these are called, but how can I form a word like "quadruple" for any number I want? Like 5× as much is quintuple, what is 31× as much or 147× as much? I want to know how they are formed so I can make my own. Similarly, how do I construct the prefixes, such as unicycle, bicycle,...

 
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