This is a general discussion room, but please feel free to create more subject-specific rooms (a single room with every possible discussion isn't very helpful)
I'm pretty sure both SE and MO used my gmail openID. On MO, I also had a myopenID as an alternate, but login with myopenID doesn't seem to work on the new site
Just so you know, MSE has kept a single chat room going for over 1000 days, it helps to give the name of the person being addressed as all conversations weave through each other. Transcript chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/36
@EvanJenkins, actually, having extra chat rooms might accomplish one thing I never got people on MO to do, which is to take a discussion offsite just involving the two or three people with ongoing interest. Nobody ever wanted to do that with email, partly because everyone wanted transparency, but single-mathematics-topic chat rooms give a way to proceed that people might be willing to do.
@EvanJenkins, right. For MSE, there is little reason to consider a discussion over days.
@AntonGeraschenko, before i forget, there is a separate item called ChatJax which allows one to see Latex, or at least MathJax, on Chat for MSE. TRIAL: $5 x^2 + 7 y^2$
That worked!!!!! Same trick as chat on MSE, just call up a certain webpage which enables ChatJax, until contact with Chat is broken in some way. Needs to be redone each time.
Alright, if we do not have a separate MO ChatJax install, this worked: http://www.math.ucla.edu/~robjohn/math/mathjax.html and follow directions.
@JoelReyesNoche, for now go to the ucla link in my previous post . I forget the details, you save each piece as bookmarks, then call up the "start chatjax" web link
@AntonGeraschenko, see the ucla link from me, two posts ago. On MSE chat, there is a sort of permanent set of items/posts on the right, which is currently blank gray. This link is always there.
It's working now. I right-clicked on the "start ChatJax" text, made it a bookmark, then went back to this tab, clicked on dropdown menu for bookmarks, then selected "start ChatJax"
@Anton, note that I just starred Evan's matrix post. Starred messages go on the right. Somehow they figured out how to make a "sticky" starred message thre, for this purpose.
@JoelReyesNoche, I have never been very clear on the stars. There are also flags, so MSE gets these flag wars, and people get suspended from the main site. i do not know how to cancel a star, and I have no clear idea what is up with the flags.
But note that the stars do get pushed back as new messages go to the top of the list.
@AntonGeraschenko, you may remember how I used to encourage people to expand their MO discussions by email. That never worked. But these chatrooms, created at need and using chatjax, allows for such side discussions while keeping transparency. People seemed to dislike the privacy inherent in the email idea.
From above, you may remember how I used to encourage people to expand their MO discussions by email. That never worked. But these chatrooms, created at need and using chatjax, allows for such side discussions while keeping transparency. People seemed to dislike the privacy inherent in the email idea. Never really worked with MSE people
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez, QUID could open a chat room with someone and bloviate forever!!!
Ah, I'm using the mobile interface (because my son wants me to sit outside his bedroom door while he falls asleep), so I don't have such a column right now.
@MarianoSuárez-Alvarez, whatever phrasing you would like. If you type something here, I can repeat it, then you can pin it. If it is really complicated email me.
@CharlesRezk, Anton and Scott are pretty busy. In this format, it is best to put an at sign and target one person (who need not be in the chat room at the time) as messages accumulate rapidly. But I suspect some things will not get fixed tonight.
@CharlesRezk, exactly. One of the Jeeves and Wooster books by Wodehouse plays on that. Bertie tries to get two girls to argue by depriving them of lunch. It fails. Jeeves points out that it is actually teatime that is important in the category of times to starve.
@WillJagy That's not a lost soul, that's a rant. I assume you have an account on tea.mo; can you tell him to log in in whatever way he wants/feels comfortable with. We can merge the accounts.
I vaguely remember there being a discussion on tea.mo in the migration thread where many people were against allowing the "masses" to migrate stuff to MO.
I expect that the MSE -> MO migration to be rare enough that we can handle it by moderator requests. The reverse migration route probably should just be open for convenience.
@Asaf The one about MathJAx support. I think you've become so efficient at your procrastination activities that they do not work for procrastination anymore...
@Michael: Then why do I have to grade a semester-worth of homework assignments, and I have to finish those in two weeks, and I haven't started yet? :-(
@AsafKaragila Revised estimate: > 130 tabs open. Around 35 or so to MathScinet, 40 or so to arXiv, another 30 or so to various journal articles (mostly JSTOR). And a bunch more to Terry's blog. That's after I closed around 20 tabs just now (if I haven't read them yet, I probably wont read them at all.)
That's the problem of having a fast computer, I guess. On my laptop I would not keep more than 30 open at a time, because firefox just slows to a crawl. My desktop however is just too responsive for its own good.
@AsafKaragila Aren't you starting a new place soon?
Wait until you get there. Some people may have money to spend. Either that person's your advisor or one of his friends, or that person is the person two offices over whose trash pile you subsequently raid.
My philosophy has evolved to the point that for a Laptop, you either just get a Desktop-In-Disguise, or something extremely light for ease of traveling (I am perfectly willing to sacrifice processing power for that). Anything in the middle will not do. (You try for a compromise and end up screwing up both ends.)
If, for example, a user comes long and posts an HW question, you can just tell them that "we don't discuss that here"
If he persists, you can get him kicked
(You guys may want to appoint room owners and decide a if HW is allowed, etc etc. I can do that but I don't know enough to determine which users should be promoted to owner)
@Dominic: Don't get used to it, I only joined in for a few hours today. To see if there are any migration related topics that can be hammered out over chat. I'll soon be gone from the chat again.
@ManishEarth Sorry if I wasn't clear. I really don't want to remove any stars, I was just asking because I wanted to be familiar with how the system works. Thanks.
@AsafKaragila @AntonGeraschenko Just throwing it out there, do you think MO would be able to support a blog? It seems to have a pretty good community, and is well known. A math blog by MO would be awesome.
After a ton of discussion, work and input from the community, we're rolling out the remainder of major closing changes that you've helped us design, as discussed in these prior posts.
They're live on Meta today, and will likely roll out to the rest of the network sometime next week.
The clos...
@Adeel You get it if you have enogh rep on another account. The idea is that you have leanred about basic rules of the network already and can therefore be granted more powers.
@ManishEarth even though this is not really chat related. I got 100 points association bonus but lost 25 points for upvotes on a question (because on mathoverflow you earned 10 reputation for an upvote on a question
I found it more surprising that 80 % of the MO questions actually do have an answer than that the site ist 2012 years old https://i.sstatic.net/xIQza.png
@WillieWong, I think you know by now, but I looked for tea.mathoverflow.net on Giggle, when that didn't work I put it in the browser url line after an http:// and it worked. So, old Meta is http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussions/ and login uses old password, which I had almost entirely forgotten
the obsessive compulsive in me is wildly affected by the fact that the numbers in the notification thingie on the north west corner are not centered in their red circle :-/
@AnnaLear, As far as I understand, MO stipulated in its agreement with SE during the transition that association bonuses would be totally disabled for this site
Given the patterns on MSE and the fact that MO really does close poor questions, it is more likely that this chat gets overrun. That may or may not turn out to matter to anyone. I starred some comments about that, visible on the right (for now) and copied to a post on new Meta.
@Shog9, yes, that is an interesting prospect, that may or may not matter to anyone but me...I always tried to get people on MO to extend the discussion of meaty math problems to email among two or three interested parties, maybe eventually publish together. Nobody ever did. But here, with chat rooms and MathJax available there, it might work. I will work on a new Meta post about that idea, little too early at this point.
@WillJagy something you may or may not have run into yet (depending on how chatty you are) is a feature on the main site that will automatically create a link into a post-specific chatroom if a back-and-forth comment conversation grows too long. It'll even drag in the comments.
@WillJagy Keep in mind that chat messages have the same content licensing as the rest of the site. I know virtually nothing about academic publishing, so I'm not sure if this would be an issue, but just something to be aware of either way when discussing things in public.
@Shog9, yes, it tries to make a chatroom if a discussion between just two people in comments goes too long. I also noticed, if already in Chat, I can click on their icon (gravatar?0 on the left and create a pairwise chatroom...
@AnnaLear, I don't see that as an issue. People already put preprints on the arXiv, and publish with just ordinary citations to MO answers. Some of the comments against people "going private" with MO problems was exactly the lack of transparency, other MO people would not get to see the development. But these chatrooms are publically viewable. i think that would appeal to the Skip Garibaldi's of the world.
@AnnaLear, now it is a matter of suggesting that to people. Which is the sort of thing i stopped doing, years ago on MO...but perhaps a new Meta post after a week or two.
@Harry, so you said. Give Scott and Anton some time. And, give yourself time to figure out how this new setup may be useful for you. I should think tea.mo will not entirely die out, just as algebraic geometry has not entirely taken over MO. Stable patterns according to a pagerank type process.
Where's the old meta.mathoverflow.net?
After a ton of discussion, work and input from the community, we're rolling out the remainder of major closing changes that you've helped us design, as discussed in these prior posts.
They're live on Meta today, and will likely roll out to the rest of the network sometime next week.
The clos...
As was pointed out here, Mathoverflow is listed as being 2012 years old here.
