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Paul Gonet

00:01

@scalia I see we have different political view. So let's not talk about our political preferences- cause it may divide us. I change the subject. What's your favorite music?

Scalia

I like all the music

VRM

I like most music

Paul Gonet

yeah, every music genre has something to offer

I like progressive rock most

Scalia

In particular I like EDM, country and classic rock

The only music I really am not fond of is hard rock and metal

VRM

I hate country music :/

Paul Gonet

00:09

EDM is really good. I like it. But I like most non comercial electro bands like CristalCastles, The Knife, Com Truise, Mitch Murder, GusGus, etc. The music you don't hear on a radio often....

VRM

yeah, that stuff gets old after a while

Paul Gonet

I don't like country too, but as a rock fan I appreciate every genre that uses guitar. I play guitar amateurishly as well.

The only music genre I don't really like is reggae

Otherwise every other one I love: jazz, nu jazz, rap, psychorap, bosanova, electro, house, accustic, blues, chillout, flamenco, pop, punk, etc.

World of music is amazing. I try to discover new band every week. You have no idea how many music treasures are there to discover

VRM

yeah

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Scalia

01:28

Country isn't for everyone

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X-27

02:40

sees you were on the verge of discussing polices - takes a deep breath and backs away

Scalia

02:54

@X-27 pshh. Political jargon . I'll leave that to people who don't know what they're doing

@X-27 how are you?

X-27

03:20

@Scalia I'm just ducky :)

Q

X-27

03:46

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VRM

A

X-27

C

VRM

K

Success

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X-27

YAY

VRM

ps that song is a 7.5-8 out of ten so far

X-27

03:56

it has been SO LONG since we've gotten that to work!

nice! :)

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gandalf3

05:24

@Vader yup

@X-27 When I first downloaded blender I was trying to add the Titanic to Flightgear (that's correct, a boat in a flight simulator...)

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That's literally the result of my first hour with blender

Note the bottom of the cylinders... D:

Also, I appear to have rolled the view on the left side.. I vaguely remember the navigation was acting especially uncooperatively, that's probably why :P

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The next day I discovered something called "SubSurf" and started from scratch

I also learned of "Textures", but unfortunately the image I used seems to be missing

@Vader Long time no see :)

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Vader

10:45

@gandalf3 Yeah, I've been busy

But it's time for some blender

Blender can make some pretty cool weird stuff

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David

14:07

@Aoradon regarding your flag. I agree with you 100%. However there is nothing, I as a mod, can do. It does technically answer the question, and we do not delete answers just because they are bad. This post is exactly what DVs are for (I already gave it one.)

X-27

14:25

@gandalf3 ahhhh yes - when we all found subsurf for the first time, everything we made from there out for quite a while relied heavily on that modifier :)

Scalia

14:47

@VRM which song?

VRM

linked in another room

X-27

Tobu - Lightness (Original Mix)

David

15:06

so I was looking through the blends I have on blend-exchange. (thanks again @GiantCowFilms) and noticed that 11 out of my 16 are about the BGE. hmm.

@X-27 you should download my new blend, you actually might like it. (I went way over kill for an example.)

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A: BGE How to change a music loop in the middle of a game

I have all my audio and audio logic setup on my camera, just so it is easy to keep track of it all. To start I have a boolean game property called "sound_switcher", the empty checkbox means that it is FALSE. This is what is getting changed when the player goes near my cone object. That property ...

but before you get your hopes up, there is no gun. or explosions.

X-27

but... but... the properties window doesn't belong there!!!

David

more interesting stats: this only has one UV, but 6 people have gone to the blend's download page (4 downloaded it)

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David

17:32

@GiantCowFilms I've been looking through the blend exchange files. (have a real pull request, to deal with the no DOCTYPE) but I have found some errors. Will need to talk and see how you want to do about fixing them.

gandalf3

18:14

@Vader Those are pretty neat!

GiantCowFilms

18:51

@David Sure, what are they?

David

@GiantCowFilms ok go to any blend download page.

you will see because downloadPage.php has the closing body and html tags, the footer.php stuff is added after the page is closed.

that is not the only one like it, there is also finish/index.php

also, and worse on the me/index.php page you are not closing anything. you only have the header. Not sure what you were planing for that page, but it needs some work.

@GiantCowFilms what I was thinking was moving the js (jquery, dropzone, sha256) into the header, and adding the closing tags to the footer.php

Is there any reason you need the js at the bottom of the page?

@GiantCowFilms I'm working on a little something for the user page. sortable tables.

What is your reason for hosting jquery your self and not taking it from a CDN, like google?

because the jquery plugin I'm using is hosted on cloudflare, but if you prefer we can host it locally.

Are there any admin pages that use tables too?

David

19:19

I'm going to hold on doing any more till I hear back about the js at the bottom. (because I'd move it to the header)

GiantCowFilms

@David I hate scripts in the header

@David None in particular, TBH

David

@GiantCowFilms um ok why?

GiantCowFilms

@David I'm not used to working with them there, and it makes it annoying to build a page where the dependencies are placed above it. Its also considered bad practice. With the scripts below the body, they run after page load, ensuring all the elements have been rendered.

I'm actually going to go out on a limb and say if you move them into the header, they will mulfunction

David

@GiantCowFilms see it is going to start to get tricky. You are loading jquery at the bottom. the plugins have to load after jquery, and then the script using the plugin has to run after all that.

GiantCowFilms

@David Exactly

all the scripts run at the bottom. After the dom has loaded

David

19:32

@GiantCowFilms what?

that is the problem you are about to run in to

@GiantCowFilms or just wrap them in a $(document).ready(function()

I have no problem with leafing your scripts at the bottom, but we need to move jquery to the header

GiantCowFilms

@David $(document).ready

is the sign you should have put your script after the dom loads

I see no reason to have them in the header, but reasons to keep them at the end of the body.

@David Why? What do you need jquery for that goes in the header?

David

@GiantCowFilms just the way you are building the pages with the parts. if jquery is down there, then the plugin has to be below it, and then the code also has to be below it. I wanted to make this where it was only loading the plugin, loading my css and have the code on the user page where the table is.

GiantCowFilms

@David I'm very skeptical of code in the middle of the page

David

with the footer problem that has to be fixed, it becomes a bit harder.

GiantCowFilms

@David BTW, whats wrong with downloadPage.php

its seems to close things off once.

David

19:39

@GiantCowFilms understood. I just want to load jquery and the pluging in the header.

GiantCowFilms

@David Hmm. I guess you can, but you better test it properly

and you can use google cdn if you want

David

@GiantCowFilms in its self nothing. problem is you have the footer part after it.

GiantCowFilms

@David I do? I don't see it anywhere....

David

b/index.php

GiantCowFilms

I see no reference to the footer anywhere on that page

Oh I see

Why on earth did I do that . . . .

David

19:41

well if you really want all the js in the footer, then would you be ok with all the js on every page?

GiantCowFilms

@David Why would you need to do that?

David

I'd just put it in the footer (along with the closing tags)

so we dont run into this issue where you have closing tags on every page.

GiantCowFilms

@David I prefer just loading the script as each page needs it

David

if you are going to have a footer part, may as well use it to closeout the page

GiantCowFilms

@David I'm guessing there is a reason why it doesn't.

what I'd do is create another thing pageEnd.php or whatever and put the closing markup in that, then include it in the footer.

My memory is failing me here, but there was a reason why I did it like that

David

19:43

@GiantCowFilms me too, but then we are back to having closing tags on all the pages. except for where you forgot. :)

@GiantCowFilms same differernce

GiantCowFilms

@David Yes, lets have the closing tags on all the page. its just needs to be one include line.

David

hmm.

GiantCowFilms

@David the point is I am absolutely against adding the scripts into footer.php

David

@GiantCowFilms (well to be fair you are using most the scripts on all the pages) I was thinking of some php check on the footer to see if the page needs what script, but sounds too complicated.

GiantCowFilms

@David I thought about that, but it ended up being more template code than just writing out all the script tags.

David

19:47

@GiantCowFilms my thoughts exactly.

on the contribute/index.php page you have the scripts above the footer. probably not where you want it.

GiantCowFilms

@David its fine actually

David

so then you dont mind them in the body?

GiantCowFilms

it makes very little difference. There is no dom manipulation on the footer, so it might as well not exist as far as the script tags are concerned

@David I prefer them near to the end, but exceptions can be made

David

just "near the bottom" :)

how are you fixing the downloadPage.php / footer error on b/index.php?

from our discussion here I would think you could delete the closing tags in downloadPage.php. but I'm not sure where else you are using it.

@GiantCowFilms how do you propose adding the style sheet? I would work simply appended to layout.css

GiantCowFilms

20:03

@David I'm not sure either

@David What does the style sheet need to do?

@David I can re-org the footer if you need, or do you want to do that?

David

@GiantCowFilms to add in the sortable tables stuff I'm not going to change the footer right now.

@GiantCowFilms it adds in little triangles to show the fields in the table header are soratable.

table.tablesorter thead tr .tablesorter-header {
	cursor: pointer;
}
.tablesorter-header.tablesorter-headerUnSorted::after {
    content: "▲ ▼";
    width: 10px;
    display: inline-block;
    font-size: 10px;
    line-height: .9;
    margin-left: 10px;
}
.tablesorter-header.tablesorter-headerDesc::after {
    content: "▲";
    width: 10px;
    display: inline-block;
    font-size: 10px;
    line-height: .9;
    margin-left: 10px;
}
.tablesorter-header.tablesorter-headerAsc::after {
    content: "▼";

thats the whole thing

I have it in its own file, but adding it to only the user page is not going to happen.

GiantCowFilms

@David css is global

that is fine

you can add that to layout

David

seams a sensible spot to put it since the layout.css ends with the table styles as it is now.

@GiantCowFilms duh :)

@GiantCowFilms ok will have a pull soon. that way if you start working on the footer there will be no conflicts.

GiantCowFilms

Okay

David

@GiantCowFilms done

GiantCowFilms

20:14

thanks

David

every time I went to the page with the blend list I wanted it sortable, so today I finally did it.

now could any of the admin pages use that same sorting?

GiantCowFilms

@David no need to use document.ready when your below the dom you're manipulating

David

@GiantCowFilms I know, but it is a habit. I almost always use doc.ready

I can change that real quick

GiantCowFilms

@David there is something wrong with the css now

margins are missing

@David I already did

David

@GiantCowFilms css on what?

GiantCowFilms

20:18

@David Oh, not missing, but broken

on chrome, the headspace div is crushed to oblivion

and all the heigh based styles on the page are messed up

David

@GiantCowFilms hmm chrome. I only checked FF. does chrome not like css calc?

GiantCowFilms

@David No

I think chainging the doctype messed it up

yup, why did you even do that?

David

@GiantCowFilms because FF was reporting an error with no doctype

GiantCowFilms

@David Hmm

well, chrome doesn't like it

David

weird

EBrown

20:21

@GiantCowFilms If there's no DOCTYPE that's an (X)HTML spec violation in all cases, what DOCTYPE are you using?

David

@GiantCowFilms I see no way that giving the browser what it expects (a proper doctype) would not brake the css.

unless before it was in some compatibly mode.

EBrown

@David That can break a significant amount of CSS based on which DOCTYPE it is.

GiantCowFilms

@David lets put it this way

the DOCTYPE turns off quirks mode

David

@EBrown he had <html> I changed it to <!DOCTYPE html>

GiantCowFilms

this results in certain required quriks to not work

from SO:

This behavior is expected. This is because body is a block level element. So it has height, by default, in a shrink-to-fit model and width, by default, in an expand-to-fit model. Setting style="height:100%;" in the body tag allows body to take up the whole of the height available and displays your two divs.

EBrown

20:24

@David What are the first two non-empty of the document?

Is it <!DOCTYPE html><head> or <!DOCTYPE html><html>?

David

old <html><head>

new <!DOCTYPE html><head>

EBrown

Wrong

Use <!DOCTYPE html><html><head> for 1.

David

@EBrown wow I can't believe I for got that.

@EBrown yep. @GiantCowFilms I will go re-fix those pages (they are still open)

EBrown

For 2, using a DOCTYPE puts the browser in standards mode, which means your CSS has to follow whichever standards you are enforcing.

@David Do you have a link?

GiantCowFilms

@David I'm fine with just having no doctype. If you want it, the CSS in chrome will need to be fixed

David

20:28

@EBrown to what? one of the pages blend-exchange.giantcowfilms.com/b/3299 (do note it will still show the old before I "fixed" it)

GiantCowFilms

@David changes have not been pushed to production

because of the issue

David

@GiantCowFilms I expect that when the proper html tag is back there chrome will be happy.

GiantCowFilms

Tried it, nope

it has to do with standards mode

David

hmm.

and quirks mode

EBrown

Jeez that markup is terrible

David

20:30

I never would of guessed you build your site off of an error.

GiantCowFilms

@EBrown Enlighten me

I have very little formal training. If it looked okay, it was done

EBrown

@GiantCowFilms Just a second, I'll hook you up.

@GiantCowFilms Been in this business too long, I don't even need a validator to tell me that the markup has serious issues.

You're also violating a lot of layout constraints.

And the reliance on calc(100% - 30px) is actually a problem.

And inline-styles are bad.

GiantCowFilms

@EBrown reliance on calc is bad, but there are not always ways around it.

EBrown

@GiantCowFilms In this case there are.

GiantCowFilms

@EBrown O.o?

@EBrown Grunts. There are just some case where creating a class to contain one style is not worth it.

I perfer to use css styles for things that reoccur, so I don't clutter my style sheet

EBrown

20:34

Your sheet is cluttered for a different reason, unfortunately.

So, first thing is first, this block:

#mainContainer img {
border : 10px;
padding : 5px;
max-width : calc(100% - 30px);
}

GiantCowFilms

I didn't write that one

EBrown

The concept you are trying to enact is a limitation on the image to not overlap the neighboring element, no?

GiantCowFilms

I think there is some box sizing setting that will fix that mess

@EBrown I imagine so.

David

@gandalf3 we are getting lessons from EBrown

(gandalf3 is the one who made most of the styles)

EBrown

As much as I advocate against the use of tables, they often help in this scenario.

And you don't have to make an actual table.

By forcing the display layout as a table, you actually reduce CSS size, and you get the same layout you wanted, while also being able to limit boxes to a minimum size and respect that.

David

20:42

@GiantCowFilms is the site so post to have the extra space at the top? because when I view in chrome the old no doctype had an extra space at the top of the page. With the proper doctype and tags, it does (which is the same as how FF renders with or with our the doctype)

EBrown

So you want to add a display: table; width: 100%; to the div that contains the img and blendDisplayContainer, then you want to remove the text-align: center; from the same div.

Then you want to move that text-align: center; to the parent div, which is fileStats.

You then remove your max-width and set a min-width on the img and the blendDisplayContainer, and that fixes your issue.

GiantCowFilms

@David The extra space with no doctype is expected

Those same height issues appear in other places with the doctype added as well

David

@GiantCowFilms Oh see this is what I did not know. FF has never shown the extra top space.

EBrown

Also, if your HTML tag is a non-closed tag, then self-close it.

GiantCowFilms

@David !!?

EBrown

20:46

Such as <link rel="stylesheet" media="screen" href="/layout.css"> => <link rel="stylesheet" media="screen" href="/layout.css" />.

In fact, I'm going to do a PR on this when I have time later tonight to correct all this crap.

GiantCowFilms

@David Your right

but if you look at the landing page from /login without the doctype, its also broken

David

@EBrown you might not want to do that. you will be very disappointed at the back end.

EBrown

@David Already am.

David

@EBrown O dear. well I thank you for taking the time to help fix our mess.

@GiantCowFilms oh what should the login page look like?

EBrown

@David @GiantCowFilms Consider writing a basic PHP MVC for this, you'll save a lot of time and effort.

David

20:50

I get just a blank page with the login input.

GiantCowFilms

@David ???

I get a notification that reads "you are logged in!" Got to your account>>

David

user image

GiantCowFilms

Oh yea

fill it out

then look at the page you get after it on chrome with the doctype

David

right. after you submit it. duh

@GiantCowFilms ok loged in on the live site saw the space. (same as on any page right?)

GiantCowFilms

@David I think so

either way, adding the doctype is causing stuff to break

David

21:04

@GiantCowFilms yah. I'm trying to see what css has to change to fix it. (and get FF to display the way you want)

GiantCowFilms

@David Okay thanks

Those sorting tables are awesome btw.

David

@GiantCowFilms I have a super easy way to fix (dont know why but change 7% to be 7vh)

GiantCowFilms

@David Okay

David

FF likes too

GiantCowFilms

ALthough there are other css bugs in chrome as a result of the doctype

David

21:09

I'll fix the doctype now.

really?

I did not notice. but I guess anywhere % height are used will now be a bug

VRM

vh is a better method iirc

David

@GiantCowFilms which probably means that those "bugs" are just the way FF was displaying all along.

David

21:33

@GiantCowFilms I gt a better way to fix the top space.

David

22:03

@GiantCowFilms after even more investigating. I have found the source for some of the bug(s). it is in the body display:flex.

the header is a hopeless mess of absolute positioning

David

22:33

@GiantCowFilms I fixed up the css, but it looks like I can not create a new pull requests when there is still an open one.

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GiantCowFilms

23:38

@David Adjust your existing one, or cancel it.

You tested in chrome and firefox, correct?

GiantCowFilms

23:52

@David I pulled it. the blank space at the top is now double.

I assume you fixed that

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