The Renderfarm

GiantCowFilms

01:27

@ARadish Free https for thingies like blend exchange

@gandalf3 just okay? not great? not magical (you are a wizard . . ?)?

ARadish

03:17

@GiantCowFilms oh

@David >:(

X-27

@NᴏᴠɪᴄᴇIɴDɪsɢᴜɪsᴇ Did you have all the Christmas lights, or just the blue, green and yellow ones?

ARadish

you can edit your own messages, but leave mine alone!

@X-27 bro, is the middle of june...

X-27

I'd like some red, but I am getting eally low on blue

@ARadish I haven't taken down last year's and I'll start putting more up soon.

ARadish

:|

X-27

I was actually talking about the Creativerse Holiday Lighting

ARadish

03:19

you are a hopeless person

X-27

lol

ARadish

@X-27 oh

why are you still playing that?

you haven't gotten bored yet?

X-27

@ARadish ehh, I had a cool idea I wanted to build

I had been bored for a while,

ARadish

so... pick up another game

or help me make one

League of legends is pretty dope

so ahemm... you should play

i could teach you

you could become a master

X-27

@ARadish If I was going to do that, it would be Space Engineers. But that one is 24.99, and I'm kinda waiting for a sale.

ARadish

03:21

o

then how about helping me make a game?

X-27

what help do you need (specifically)

ARadish

@X-27 umm. just jaz

@TARDISMaker is the manager. ask him

X-27

@TARDISMaker What jaz?

lol

ARadish

@X-27 hmm... wanna help me design some environments?

X-27

why not- could be fun. What type of environments?

ARadish

03:24

going for a future metalish look

with some wear and tear

so mostly browns and bronzish

X-27

so like a run down steampunk factory?

TARDIS Maker

@X-27 chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/25789/bge-dinosaurs

Come over here

ARadish

and light silvery

@X-27 yag

X-27

interesting.

TARDIS Maker

I'll let you guys finish talking, but it would be better if we keep the game talk mostly in the other room

ARadish

03:25

that'd be awesome

X-27

does anyone know where NID went? he hasn't been on SE for 5 days, but he has logged on to steam consistently. He hadn't played anything though, nor has he responded to my message.

ARadish

@X-27 maybe he had real life to do.

like i did for the past week

@X-27 maybe he moved

and has no internet

maybe he is camping. ,and one of his siblings is playing with his computer

X-27

@ARadish you missed the part about him logging onto (but not using) steam

@ARadish could be

but why would one of his siblings open steam but not play anything?

the list of recently played shows the most recent activity on the 11th.

ARadish

maybe he is a ghost, and can only click the mouse button once a day because of a curse from some other ghost

maybe he is a normal person, and being stalked by an online fan who wants to talk to him about nominal objectives

X-27

@ARadish that would be awful. I'd get an emulator so you could use a keyboard input to control the mouse

ARadish

03:32

maybe he is a dinosaur, and his arms can only reach the space key and the left mouse button, but not move the mouse, because it is glued to his stomach

X-27

oh dear.

ARadish

maybe he is an organ donor, and has parted with a generous portion of his liver; and he cannot play a game, but to re-live the glory days, he gazes longingly upon the steam home screen.

maybe he drank some of that awful meth-soda, and cannot function until he completely clears his system

X-27

@ARadish I don't know if your getting more realistic, or if I'm getting more tired.

because that one almost seemed possible.

ARadish

maybe he is an organ donor ghost dinosaur on meth, and he is camping, but he is so out of it because of kidney surgery and hard drugs that he decided to move somewhere where there is no wifi, so his siblings play with his computer, but they are also dinosaurs, and one of them has the mouse glued to his stomach, so he can only reach the left mouse button, while NiD took the key-board with him to his new home.

or maybe he just had real life to do.

X-27

@ARadish I think I'll go to bed now....

ARadish

03:38

was not me being more realistic///

hghjgjh

08:45

hello

gandalf3

greetings :)

hghjgjh

Would anyone here understand character topology by any chance

TARDIS Maker

13:24

@hghjgjh A little... maybe...

I'm more of a hard surface kind of person, but I do know a bit of general topology...

Abhishek Saxena

15:04

Hi

someonewithpc

Hello

Abhishek Saxena

I am planning to make a render farm with bleeder

Blender

someonewithpc

Cool!

Abhishek Saxena

I know there is a add-on that comes with blender

But I'd there a better way ?

someonewithpc

Network render

Abhishek Saxena

15:06

Is

someonewithpc

I think

@AbhishekSaxena It depends..

Abhishek Saxena

On wat

someonewithpc

Do you want machines to render separate frames or each frame to be rendered by all machines?

Abhishek Saxena

Each frame to be render on all machines

someonewithpc

That's harder...

There probably is a way to do this already, but I don't know how..

Abhishek Saxena

15:09

Can't I use a Python script

I guess it can be done by Python though I don't know Python

someonewithpc

github.com/timoschwarzer/blendworks

Although that appears to be visual basic

Abhishek Saxena

Ok but how do I use it

someonewithpc

5

A: Render on more than one computer?

If you can connect all the machines to the same filesystem, whether physically or with something like sshfs, then you can use the placeholders and overwrite options to create a simple renderfarm. Set all the blender instances to output to the same shared directory. Presumably you'd have one bl...

@AbhishekSaxena idk

Abhishek Saxena

All the machines I'm gonna use would have 2 cores and I have 45 machines

someonewithpc

wow

What processors?

Abhishek Saxena

15:15

Pentium

Some have i3

someonewithpc

Nice

You may be better off rendering each frame on each machine

Abhishek Saxena

I think I would have to go with network render

someonewithpc

That would only help for animations, though

Abhishek Saxena

That is the problem

TARDIS Maker

16:05

Happy Fathers Day, Fathers! :D

(idk, but @Matt is the only person that I know who's here who actually qualifies....)

Abhishek Saxena

17:06

Is it worth to make a renderfarm with 45 computers all Pentium and have 2 or 4 cores or just pay some money and use aonline one

An online one *

TARDIS Maker

Well, do you have 45 Pentium computers?

someonewithpc

If you already have the computers, then the only cost would be electricity

TARDIS Maker

^^

Which judging by you're profile, you aren't paying yet

Rahul2001

Hi, I'm @AbhishekSaxena's friend

TARDIS Maker

If you have the computers and they're render, you might as well use them

@Rahul2001 Hi!

Rahul2001

17:08

we're going to do this in school :D

TARDIS Maker

Awesome! :D

I wish I had people I knew in real life who where excited about Blender...

Rahul2001

And I think he's mistaken, IIRC, most PCs have an i5

TARDIS Maker

That would make it 10X more fun :D

Rahul2001

@TARDISMaker I don't actually do 3d, he does the stuff

TARDIS Maker

@Rahul2001 Okay...

Rahul2001

17:09

I sometime give him ideas

TARDIS Maker

Is this in a computer room at your school or something?

Rahul2001

Yeah

TARDIS Maker

@Rahul2001 Ah, okay

Rahul2001

The lab

TARDIS Maker

Okay, cool

Rahul2001

17:09

I'm just a geeky friend :D

TARDIS Maker

@Rahul2001 Do they get turned off at night?

Actually that doesn't matter...

Unless you live a country that does school over the summer

@Rahul2001 Okay

Rahul2001

I think

o_O chat's all messed up

TARDIS Maker

So you'd be doing this without permission then?

@Rahul2001 Is it?

Rahul2001

Nah, our teachers' trust us

@TARDISMaker On slow/unstable connections...

TARDIS Maker

@Rahul2001 (btw, be somewhat careful with your language, we have some people who care a little too much :P)

Rahul2001

17:12

oh, sorry

TARDIS Maker

That's fine, you didn't know

Abhishek Saxena

Ok is there anything other than the network render add-on

TARDIS Maker

You'd have to say something a lot worse before you'd offend anyone

@Rahul2001 Are you getting the "You can post this message in ten seconds" then?

@AbhishekSaxena I have no idea...

Rahul2001

No

TARDIS Maker

I've never done anything like this

Rahul2001

17:13

Also, the website linked on the github page is down...

TARDIS Maker

@Rahul2001 Okay

Rahul2001

and archive.org hasn't archived it :(

Abhishek Saxena

Y do we call this chat room the renderfarm

TARDIS Maker

Basically because why not

Rahul2001

@AbhishekSaxena Chat room names are related to the main site

TARDIS Maker

17:13

It'd be boring to call it Blender.SE chat

Rahul2001

:P

@TARDISMaker Some messages I type appear twice, then if I delete one, both get deleted...

TARDIS Maker

Oh...

It's showing up fine on my end

Rahul2001

It happens sometimes to me...

TARDIS Maker

Okay

Rahul2001

I'll screenshot it and post it on meta the next time it happens...

Anyways, is there anything else you would recommend?

TARDIS Maker

17:16

Maybe try main meta, I doubt anyone of worth will see it on ours...

@Rahul2001 Are these windows machines?

Rahul2001

Yep

Abhishek Saxena

Yea

TARDIS Maker

Okay

This is probably overly complicated, but you might be able to write some sort of shell script...

someonewithpc

Do they need to be windoze?

Abhishek Saxena

Have u used the renderman with blender

Rahul2001

17:17

@someonewithpc No, but they just are...

TARDIS Maker

idk if you knew this or not, but you can start blender from a terminal

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker It is

2 hours ago, by someonewithpc

5

A: Render on more than one computer?

If you can connect all the machines to the same filesystem, whether physically or with something like sshfs, then you can use the placeholders and overwrite options to create a simple renderfarm. Set all the blender instances to output to the same shared directory. Presumably you'd have one bl...

Rahul2001

@TARDISMaker I knew

I code in python sometimes :D

TARDIS Maker

@Rahul2001 You'd be in trouble if you tried to change it...

I doubt your teachers would like to suddenly have Ubuntu on all the computers in the computer lab :P

@Rahul2001 :D

Rahul2001

@TARDISMaker one lab has ubuntu

TARDIS Maker

17:18

Oh

Rahul2001

and I can always boot live images

TARDIS Maker

True...

someonewithpc

@Rahul2001 It's just that linux based systems tend to render faster than windows ones

Rahul2001

@someonewithpc They do? o_O

TARDIS Maker

Yeah

Better compiler

someonewithpc

17:20

Yep.

@TARDISMaker Not necessarily that - there's mingw

Rahul2001

hm... gaining access to those machines may be tougher

TARDIS Maker

@someonewithpc But they use Visual Studio

Rahul2001

@AbhishekSaxena Do you think she'll give us the keys?

someonewithpc

@Rahul2001 Take, for instance, this example blenchmark.com/device-details/…

Rahul2001

WOW

But the linux PCs may have lesser cores

TARDIS Maker

17:23

What are you guys rendering?

Image?

Animation?

Rahul2001

images, I think

@AbhishekSaxena ^^

TARDIS Maker

Okay

Do you actually need to do it as a farm?

Rahul2001

Well, they are big images and our PCs take days...

TARDIS Maker

This might take a while, but what you could do, is start a render on all of them

And using lower samples

Each with a different seed

someonewithpc

@Rahul2001 ?

TARDIS Maker

17:24

And then you mix them together

And it ends up being as if you used a ton of samples

@Rahul2001 @AbhishekSaxena cgcookie.com/tutorial/setting-up-a-renderfarm

Rahul2001

@AbhishekSaxena will know better...

TARDIS Maker

You won't be able to watch the video, but you can look at the equivalent article

idk if it's useful or not, but it's worth checking

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker Here is that answer?

Abhishek Saxena

No we want it to run as a renderfarm

Wich would have 1080 samples

Images mostly

TARDIS Maker

Each computer at 1080 samples?

Abhishek Saxena

17:28

Yea

TARDIS Maker

That's probably a bit overkill

Because if you're going to do images, each computer contributes

so you'd end up with the same render time and like 500,000 samples

You probably need around 10,000

Abhishek Saxena

Isn't that good

Ok but we need a software to maintain the renderfarm

TARDIS Maker

I guess... (btw, that was a rough estimate which was probably completely wrong) but you should be able to get away with a lot less

And it would take less time

@someonewithpc ?

@AbhishekSaxena Did you see the link I posted?

Abhishek Saxena

Yea

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker There's an answer explaining that

Abhishek Saxena

17:33

Isn't there a way to tell a computer to render a tile and as in one frame all the tiles are rendered it combines the image and save it

Rahul2001

@AbhishekSaxena If we make it on blender, will we be able to render it on some other software?

Abhishek Saxena

No

someonewithpc

@AbhishekSaxena You'd need to write a script for that

Abhishek Saxena

Converting blender data to render on any other software would just be hard

And useless

Y would I wanna do that

Rahul2001

just asking because @Burgi on root access said that he used 3d max and bryce

TARDIS Maker

17:38

Have you guys actually tried the network render addon?

someonewithpc

@Rahul2001 Yeah, but those aren't free (in either sense)

TARDIS Maker

^^

They're kind of the opposite of free

Rahul2001

lol, ok

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker Isn't that only for animations?

TARDIS Maker

idk...

Probably doesn't matter though...

Rahul2001

17:39

@qwertyuiop STOP SNOOPING ;P

TARDIS Maker

You can animate the seed

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker Don't need

TARDIS Maker

And have the frames be equal to the amount of machines

someonewithpc

Use #seed

TARDIS Maker

Yeah

someonewithpc

17:40

Is it seed?

TARDIS Maker

@someonewithpc Wait, does that return a random value?

But anyway, you have them render at lower seeds, and you can then merge to make a really high sampled image

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker Actually, you don't need either - there's now a checkbox beside it

Rahul2001

@AbhishekSaxena ^^ do you know how to do that?

TARDIS Maker

Oh, yeah!

I forgot about that!

Abhishek Saxena

Yea

someonewithpc

17:42

Or you could render seperate tiles, with a bit of python magic

Abhishek Saxena

If I render separate files i can't do composition

Tiles *

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker And yes, it is #seed and it is a built in driver

TARDIS Maker

@someonewithpc Okay

someonewithpc

@AbhishekSaxena With enough magic you can ;)

TARDIS Maker

I remember hearing that you should use #frame

Abhishek Saxena

17:44

#frame gives the number of the frame the anation is on

TARDIS Maker

Yeah

cgcookie.com/tutorial/…

That's the technique that I was talking about

It looks like they made it citizen only though :/

@Rahul2001 rahul2001.com/weblog/2016/06/… Nice!

I like that it annoyed you enough that you found a way to change it!

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker I'm... not sure that's a good thing..

TARDIS Maker

@someonewithpc Why?

Rahul2001

@TARDISMaker thanks!

someonewithpc

Because it means that it was both bad and non trivial to change to begin with

TARDIS Maker

17:54

That's windows problem :P

Rahul2001

I hardly get any views though... :/

TARDIS Maker

That probably wouldn't be hard to do in linux either

@Rahul2001 I wouldn't expect you to...

You aren't a genius programmer

You're a student

If you keep at it, you'll eventually get some followers though

Rahul2001

@TARDISMaker a fifteen-year old student :P

@TARDISMaker Hope so!

TARDIS Maker

@Rahul2001 I know

Same age as me

Rahul2001

Really?

TARDIS Maker

17:56

Yeah

Rahul2001

wow, it's nice to meet someone of the same age on stack exchange...

TARDIS Maker

:)

Most of us here are around that age

Generally older by a few years but still pretty close

Rahul2001

Wow...

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker Most?

Rahul2001

I usually hang out at Root Access [chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/118/root-access ] and the guys there are a lot older...

TARDIS Maker

17:59

@someonewithpc Yeah

At least the most active in this room

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker Who?

TARDIS Maker

X27, NID, GCF, Radish...

Pretty sure they're all under the age of 20

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker The radish is older

TARDIS Maker

Not by a ton though...

someonewithpc

And NID might be too..?

@TARDISMaker Well, no

TARDIS Maker

18:00

Or he's a terrible student :P

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker :P

Rahul2001

;p

TARDIS Maker

@someonewithpc I think he's like 18...

I feel like I know too much about these people... :P

Rahul2001

@someonewithpc are you a student too?

someonewithpc

Oh, yeah

I'm 17

Rahul2001

18:04

lol, this is really surprising...

TARDIS Maker

So the only people who might be out of range are the mods and cegaton

I have to wonder how old David is...

someonewithpc

^^

Rahul2001

I've been on SE since I was 12, and I haven't met anyone, let alone a group of people, this young before...

TARDIS Maker

Wow

I guess the Blender community is mostly young then...

someonewithpc

Yeah... :(

Rahul2001

18:06

Yeah...

TARDIS Maker

I'm learning Vim...

It's really cool so far

It's nice not to move my hand to the mouse

Rahul2001

I've always wanted to learn, but haven't gotten a chance yet...

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker Nooo!

Learn Emacs instead! :P

TARDIS Maker

@someonewithpc :P

Give me a good reason to

And then I'll consider it

I started last night

So it's not too late for me to switch

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker We have... hmm... wrist injuries..?

TARDIS Maker

18:10

:P

someonewithpc

In all seriousness, though, emacs is extremely extensible

Rahul2001

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someonewithpc

@Rahul2001 I know...

Rahul2001

I say, doesn't this room have a chatbot?

someonewithpc

Not usually, why?

Rahul2001

18:11

man... no SE chat room is complete without a bot

someonewithpc

@TARDISMaker And Emacs has evil-mode which completely emulates vim, so you can have the best of both

TARDIS Maker

Okay

someonewithpc

If you are to try emacs, try spaceemacs

TARDIS Maker

A package?

Rahul2001

GNU EMACS: Generally Not Used, Except by Middle-Aged Computer Scientists

TARDIS Maker

18:15

:D

One thing vim has over emacs is that it has an awesome vimtutor package

(not really a package, just a text file but it's a really good tutorial for it)

Rahul2001

:D

Anyways, bye guys...

It was fun hanging out here

TARDIS Maker

emacs has one also...

As I'm learning right now

@Rahul2001 Yeah!

Feel free to come back anytime

Even if you aren't really into Blender

Rahul2001

:D

TARDIS Maker

We don't really tend to stay on topic anyway :P

Rahul2001

:p

I'll tell you guys how the farm works out...

bye

TARDIS Maker

18:22

Okay, sounds good

Bye

Rahul2001

bye

TARDIS Maker

@someonewithpc How can you stand the emacs cursor movement?

I really prefer hjkl

All on the home row

Easy to hit

someonewithpc

19:00

@TARDISMaker Mostly because I use the arrow keys...

TARDIS Maker

Ugh...

someonewithpc

Which I know is not a good thing

TARDIS Maker

It drives me crazy when I move my hands to the arrow keys

It's so inconvenient

GiantCowFilms

19:35

writing something in Node JS.... gahh its an ugly language

everything is so messy!

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