Is reencoding a recording of a game game related enough?

It is not, I'm asking if there are certain settings I want to pay attention to given that it's game recordings I'm talking about in addition to how can I do the transcoding itself without getting in those technicalities in the first place.

At the end of the day, I'm just a gamer who wants to change his gaming video to something better.

I don't know why it is so obvious that I may not ask this on Gaming.

Arda Xi

You're not asking "Which compression settings should I use?" and it's a good thing you're not because that would be subjective.

badp

Does it fit on SuperUser? Sure! So what! (Partially.)

StrixVaria

because it's not gaming-related

it is not SPECIFIC to gaming

Ivo Flipse

what are you lot talking about?

Arda Xi

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Q: What is the simplest way to re-encode Fraps recordings to something more sensible?

I took a quick FRAPS recording showing this clever answer at work. The output was a 54 seconds long 424×240 video for a mere 138 MBs, or 45 minutes of upload on my link. Now, as long as the video takes a reasonable amount of time to upload, I'm fine with just getting the process done in backgro...

TomWij

8:56 PM

There's nothing that says that Gaming has to be more or less compressed than normal videos, there are games that are likely to be more compressible (Minecraft) or less compressible (Crysis) but that's as Ardi Xi irrelevant to the question on how to transcode a video.

Arda Xi

We think it should be on Super User, @badp disagrees.

badp

I think it could be on Super User, but it's better asked on Gaming.

TomWij

Then you should rather have asked "What are good transcoding settings for gaming videos?"

badp

It'd be better off asked on Video Processing, tbh

Arda Xi

@badp Video Processing, then Super User, then Gaming

StrixVaria

8:57 PM

Is there a Video Processing site?

That's perfect.

Ivo Flipse

I think fraps is software ONLY used for making screen recordings with games

Arda Xi

If the site doesn't exist, go down the list.

Ivo Flipse

anyone on SU would tell you to use Camtasia

Arda Xi

@IvoFlipse It isn't. It can be used to record anything that uses DirectX or OpenGL

badp

@StrixVaria There's not, and again topics of other sites are not enough to define ours.

StrixVaria

8:57 PM

@Ivo regardless of where the video comes from, he's asking a question about transcoding

Arda Xi

But the question isn't about recording software

Ivo Flipse

so a fraps question about making a game recording belongs on gaming

badp

@IvoFlipse THIS. DOMAIN SPECIFIC KNOWLEDGE.

Arda Xi

it's about transcoding

badp

Jeez.

StrixVaria

8:58 PM

@badp My argument remains that it doesn't belong on gaming, regardless of the existance of other sites

I offer other site ideas only as a convenience

Arda Xi

@IvoFlipse You're missing the point, the question is only about transcoding.

TomWij

@IvoFlipse: But the source doesn't mather if you are transcoding it.

badp

@Ivo is a mod on SU, btw

Arda Xi

Not about recording

badp

@TomWij That's what you think, I beg to differ.

Arda Xi

8:59 PM

@badp How is that relevant to the relevancy of your question on Gaming?

@badp It is a fact, not an opinion.

Ivo Flipse

for the person who comes to our sites, they don't care that you say it's about transcoding, they say: I want my Fraps on friggin youtube

badp

@ArdaXi Just saying.

Ivo Flipse

I'd change your question to that, though I haven't read it

Grace Note

Alright, what's going on?

Arda Xi

@IvoFlipse They want to transcode a video that happens to be in the FPS1 codec to another.

badp

8:59 PM

@IvoFlipse The question is that.

Arda Xi

Oh, and @badp good thing my comment wasn't removed, it is true once more.

Ivo Flipse

how can I get my Minecraft fraps recording on youtube

voila: suits gaming perfectly

Arda Xi

@IvoFlipse Just upload it.

That's not the question.

Ivo Flipse

as there will be dozens who want to attempt the same

badp

@ArdaXi I can redefine that bookmark as many times as required. At the end of the day, it'll be irrelevant.

Ivo Flipse

9:00 PM

not if it's too large, because he used a too large resolution

Arda Xi

@IvoFlipse Then the question becomes about transcoding once again

Grace Note

Oh, good, we have an SU mod representative here, too, that'll make this better

badp

@IvoFlipse Java uploader.

Arda Xi

@GraceNote SU is irrelevant to whether or not a question is relevant on our site to be honest.

StrixVaria

Agreed

Grace Note

9:01 PM

@Arda I didn't say it was

badp

@ArdaXi It is relevant in underlining that Gaming has knowledge that other communities can't give to the question.

Grace Note

But SU is the only place that would know whether something is appropriate there

Arda Xi

The Gaming mod is much more important :)

TomWij

@IvoFlipse: As a new question, yes, but now it's just an afterthought.

Arda Xi

Disregarding Super User, your question cannot be answered by experts on Gaming.

Grace Note

9:02 PM

Migration occurs when something doesn't belong somewhere, not when it could do better somewhere else

Arda Xi

People on our site might happen to know it in the sense someone on the LaTeX SE might know Maths.

Grace Note

That said, my responsible job, since I'm still reading up, includes making sure that if it doesn't belong here, that I don't dump it in the wrong place.

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badp

@ArdaXi Gamers don't write essays on LaTeX normally.

How many gaming videos are there on Youtube, however?

Arda Xi

@badp Huh? What's that got to do with anything? I was just using LaTeX as an example.

badp

1 min ago, by badp

How many gaming videos are there on Youtube, however?

Arda Xi

9:05 PM

I don't get the point?

TomWij

@GraceNote: I fail to see how those answers are about Gaming? I don't see that expert/passionate gamers give better answers?

StrixVaria

I still think that Arda's quote from WAY at the beginning is the most relevant: "Your question cannot be answered by an expert on gaming only."

Grace Note

@TomWij I have no clue what you're talking about?

badp

Expert gamers are likely to have researched how to effectively record their gaming videos.

TomWij

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Q: What is the simplest way to re-encode Fraps recordings to something more sensible?

I took a quick FRAPS recording showing this clever answer at work. The output was a 54 seconds long 424×240 video for a mere 138 MBs, or 45 minutes of upload on my link. Now, as long as the video takes a reasonable amount of time to upload, I'm fine with just getting the process done in backgro...

windows recording

The answers there.

Arda Xi

9:05 PM

@badp Not exactly.

Grace Note

I haven't even gotten there, @TomWij!

Arda Xi

They might, just like many LaTeX people might have studied maths.

Grace Note

@badp I prove you wrong to next Tuesday. I know so little about encoding I have my other friends do it, the ones I regularly school.

badp

Indeed, there are questions that regard maths in games.

@GraceNote Likely, not certain. Many do, not all.

Arda Xi

@badp Some do. Definitely not all.

Grace Note

9:06 PM

@badp I think Arda's trying to say that Gaming's relationship to Encoding is like Maths' relationship to LaTeX

badp

@ArdaXi Questions that anybody can answer are the worst kind of questions.

Arda Xi

@GraceNote Exactly, thank you. You are so much better at conveying yourself (and me, apparently).

Grace Note

The relationship from Gaming to both Math and LaTeX is not a part of his argument.

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Ivo Flipse

@GraceNote I will just re-use Jeff's arguments about tags being specific to certain topics. FPS = frames per second on a gaming site, nothing else. The same applies to fraps, it's a software package designed to screen capture games. Any SU-user would recommend using Camtasia instead. So fraps = a gaming program, not an SU program, even though it's problem might be non-gaming related, it's use case most definitely is

TomWij

@GraceNote: Then please check the question and my previous reply towards you.

badp

9:07 PM

It's obvious that not everybody will not be able to answer any given question.

Arda Xi

@IvoFlipse This question has been asked and answered on Super User though.

badp

That's the whole point of having expert Q&A sites!

Arda Xi

1

Q: Encoding Uncompressed video

I'd like to encode uncompressed video into compressed avi or mpeg4. Was wondering what program I should look at getting to do such a task. Videos are between 3 and 20 minutes long, and range anywhere from 1.3 to 10 GBs in uncompressed .avi form (fraps).

video convert encoding mpeg4

Grace Note

@Ivo What about first-person-shooter? o/~

Arda Xi

@badp Experts on their subject.

TomWij

9:08 PM

@IvoFlipse: "Any SU-user would recommend using Camtasia instead"

Grace Note

@TomWij Your reply to me seems like I'm apparently on a side, which I haven't been on yet

TomWij

I don't see how Camtasia helps one transcode a video.

Ivo Flipse

a gamer won't be looking at SU to get an answer for this question and he'll never find it, because he'll be using different words to say exactly the same @ArdaXi. Duplication across the network is not an issue, as long as it fits both sites

Camtasia = fraps for SU-users

Arda Xi

@IvoFlipse Again, I also believe that this question would be off-topic if Super User didn't exist.

@IvoFlipse I merely linked that question to illustrate that SU doesn't go "Use Camtasia" if this question is asked.

TomWij

The question is "I have a video from X, how can I get it into a better codec so I can publish it to Y?"

Ivo Flipse

9:10 PM

I don't, every gamer wants to show off their skills to answer a question, this question asks for how to do this

TomWij

X being Fraps and Y being YouTube

badp

@TomWij except X is the whole point here

You can't just put it in a variable.

TomWij

No, it's not.

Grace Note

The publishing to youTube is rather irrelevant, to be honest

TomWij

Your question is "What is the simplest way to re-encode Fraps recordings to something more sensible?"

badp

9:10 PM

It'd be more appropriate if you said "I need to do X with Fraps, how?"

StrixVaria

The source of the video is irrelevant.

badp

@StrixVaria Then handbrake would be a good answer.

Arda Xi

@badp Of course you can. Codec X.

badp

It is not.

Arda Xi

@badp It works for me though.

TomWij

9:11 PM

Re-encoding X in the simplest way to something more sensible.

badp

@ArdaXi Then you'd have a different question.

TomWij

All your other things are added as an afterthought.

Grace Note

I feel like entering an angry bar and trying to get any sense from the chaos...

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Arda Xi

@GraceNote You had a name for this kind of debate some time ago..

TomWij

You are just injecting questions into the end of your answer that are different from your original intention that is shown by that title.

Arda Xi

9:12 PM

@badp No you wouldn't. Handbrake and others just see it as Codec X.

badp

@ArdaXi And yet it failed.

TomWij

So, the original question does not fit on Gaming.SE.

Arda Xi

@badp For you, apparently.

TomWij

While the questions you added to your question could be formed as new questions on Gaming.SE.

badp

@ArdaXi That's the whole point. I'm the asker. If it doesn't work for me, it doesn't darn work for me.

Grace Note

9:13 PM

@ArdaXi If I really wanted to, I could find it, too

TomWij

But now you're just adding a bunch of things into one question just to keep it from being migrated.

Arda Xi

@badp So? That doesn't change the fact that the answer is correct.

It answers your question.

As does VirtualDub.

badp

The point of a Q&A site is finding answers the asker's question.

Arda Xi

@badp No, finding answers to the question.

badp

I tried it. It didn't work. Downvote.

Arda Xi

9:13 PM

Ask once, read many, remember?

StrixVaria

@badp Only when the question is relevant to the site itself.

badp

Jeez.

TomWij

@GraceNote: You're not on a side, but I gave you the reason why it doesn't fit here, and my above last sentences quite sum it up too.

Arda Xi

I tried it. It worked. Upvote.

badp

It's not darn hard.

@ArdaXi I'm happy for you, mind telling what you did then?

Arda Xi

9:14 PM

@badp Downloaded Handbrake, fed it a Fraps video, encoded said video.

badp

Because that's the whole point.

@ArdaXi -1, did the same, didn't work.

Ivo Flipse

@TomWij there's nothing wrong with changing the scope of the question to make it on-topic

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Arda Xi

@badp So that's an issue you have. Maybe open a question on SU to fix it?

Grace Note

@Ivo Very, very true. That's half the point of editing, and 100% of the point of editing a closed question

Arda Xi

Unless questions about Handbrake are also asked on Gaming when you use it on gaming videos.

badp

9:15 PM

@ArdaXi The issue I have is that you're putting much more energy into closing my question than you'd have ever put into getting it answered.

Arda Xi

@badp I'd make a screencast if you wanted, if it were on-topic.

TomWij

@IvoFlipse: But it is wrong to change the question after it has been asked and answered.

Arda Xi

@badp Why would you have an issue with the amount of energy I put into it anyway?

That seems dumb on my part, not yours.

badp

Yes, my issue is that you're acting dumber than you are and I don't know why

TomWij

@badp Because your question is answered?

badp

9:17 PM

Sometimes we forget we are here to help people with their questions and problems and get in those infinitely long questions about how and why should X and Y be done

Grace Note

@ArdaXi The term I had from before doesn't apply here, actually.

> Blind debating is what I refer to when an argument appears to have devolved into nothing but arguing for argument's sake

Arda Xi

@GraceNote Right, that was it. It still covers what I do, usually.

Grace Note

Yes, I don't deny that

badp

And all the meta is fun, as long as it isn't you needing the help.

Arda Xi

Gotta put that in my profile again, lost it in the migration.

Ivo Flipse

9:18 PM

you guys all need to remember that 90% of our traffic comes through Google, using search terms that problem only consist of something like: fraps youtube awesome game

they don't care that you call it encoding or whatever, that's just geek-speak

Arda Xi

@IvoFlipse <awesome game> wouldn't reach this question either, it's generic

TomWij

But you fail to accept the fact that the original question is answered and you turned into a new different question by adding the after-thought gaming alinea, and now nobody answers to your new different question as it's not posted as an separate question but rather in an alinea in an already existing answered question.

Arda Xi

There we go, back on my bio.

badp

@TomWij After thought "gaming alinea"?

Ivo Flipse

I want my frigging video on youtube, so I can show you how to do this thing I need for my answer elsewhere

Arda Xi

9:19 PM

@badp alinea is paragraph

badp

Alinea the restaurant?

Top hit on google.

Ivo Flipse

@TomWij again: it's not a problem to change a question to make it on-topic. you fail to accept that @badp doesn't want his question migrated

Grace Note

@IvoFlipse That kind of logic justifies asking encoding questions on any site, not just Gaming. And I'm sure it's not really on-topic everywhere

Let's break it down to pieces, and hold on a moment

badp

No, I would like to point out people to the fucking first paragraph:

Ivo Flipse

not every site has a screen capturing software that's so intertwined with a genre as fraps and gaming

Grace Note

9:21 PM

FRAPs encoding is specific to FRAPS: yes/no?

badp

> I took a quick FRAPS recording showing this clever answer at work.

Arda Xi

@GraceNote Yes

TomWij

@IvoFlipse: So, I can go and ask a StarCraft II question on Super User and decide that I don't want it migrated? Because StarCraft II is computer software...

Grace Note

(Ignore the inconsistency in caps! I don't use this stuff, remember)

TomWij

@badp: gaming.stackexchange.com/posts/10346/revisions

Arda Xi

9:21 PM

@GraceNote Fraps uses its own codec for performance.

badp

@TomWij The line I quoted in since the first revision.

TomWij

After your question has been answered you decided to add the gaming paragraph, that's considered an afterthought irrelevant question.

Grace Note

Okay. fraps encoding is specific to FrapS.

Ivo Flipse

no, using fraps is specific to gaming @GraceNote, that's my point

Arda Xi

It's not specific to gaming.

Grace Note

9:22 PM

@Ivo Let me get there

badp

@TomWij My question was answered poorly, so I decided to be more specific. What's the evil in that?

Ivo Flipse

you use fraps, because you can show off your e-peen frames per second, hence their performance thing

TomWij

@badp: Yes, but that's just a variable, by saying I used X you didn't get any different answers than those you would get on Super User.

Ivo Flipse

googlefight.com/…

badp

@TomWij IT. IS. NOT.

Arda Xi

9:22 PM

@IvoFlipse I used Fraps when I was working with a program that showed 3D models. Hardly a game.

@badp It is.

To a program, one codec isn't different from the other.

Grace Note

Can everyone please calm down for a second?

badp

To a gamers, one program isn't

Ivo Flipse

badp

@GraceNote I know Grace, this has been going for four hours now and I'm replying to the same arguments over and over and over again.

Grace Note

We have FOUR DIFFERENT directions of bickering going on right now

Ivo Flipse

9:23 PM

yes, that's my girl friend calling ;P

Grace Note

I can't even begin to address the topicality of the question because every time I start on one thing, someone else brings up something else!

Arda Xi

Hear hear. (Yes, I do it too)

Grace Note

So before we address the topicality, let's take on a different approach

Ivo Flipse

Fraps

Fraps (derived from Frames per second) is a benchmarking, screen capture, and real-time video capture utility for DirectX and OpenGL applications. It is commonly used to determine a computer's performance with a game, as well as record gaming footage. The program is very popular in the making of amateur machinima films. The near lossless Fraps codec allows decoding of Fraps-encoded videos (using a media player capable of decoding the AVI container format) or transcoding to other video formats (with the use of the right software). The Fraps video codec manages to capture videos with minim...

TomWij

@IvoFlipse The question is not about using FRAPS, Camtasia, ...

Ivo Flipse

9:24 PM

read that first sentence: Fraps (derived from Frames per second) is a benchmarking, screen capture, and real-time video capture utility for DirectX and OpenGL applications.

Arda Xi

Let's let @GraceNote speak.

TomWij

It's about transcoding a video from codec X to codec Y.

Grace Note

If you get insufficient answers to a question, it's perfectly fine to alter the question so long as you aren't attempting to invalidate the answers on the wide scope

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Arda Xi

@GraceNote Which @badp kinda did by asking for step-by-step guides...

Grace Note

If we look at the question, it starts off explicitly stating fRAps

badp

9:26 PM

@GraceNote I asked how to. People told me "go use this". I specified "go use X" was not enough, because we hate list-of questions.

TomWij

@badp Then, why are caps needed than rather an explanation why it is not?

badp

@TomWij Because it's the sixth time I'm trying to tell you

Grace Note

Which, as has been earlier established, FraPS uses its own encoding

badp

It is reasonable to expect frustration.

Arda Xi

@badp List of guides is also a list. You ask for software and a guide.

Ivo Flipse

9:26 PM

no @ArdaXi, @badp rightfully asked for steps on how to do it, because the answer was: use this. Have you ever tried that software without a tutorial?

TomWij

@GraceNote But he didn't get insufficinet answers, the question has been added and a completely irrelevant thing to the subject has been added.

badp

@ArdaXi List of answers also is, so what?

Arda Xi

@IvoFlipse Yes. I never use manuals.

I figured out VirtualDub by myself.

badp

OH WOW IT IS IRRELEVANT TO THE MATTER OF A HOW TO GUIDE TO ASK FOR THE STEPS

Grace Note

@TomWij Do you ever plan to let me finish talking?

Arda Xi

9:27 PM

@IvoFlipse He also asked it later

badp

Okay, I'm going to let you talk Grace.

TomWij

In a conversation there are two persons.

Ivo Flipse

he asked it in the comments, which I do all the time

badp

@GraceNote the floor is yours

Grace Note

I guess... that's one way to do it

But before I finish that, let me note, @Tom, yes two people are in a conversation but it really doesn't make a good conversation if one person keeps interrupting the other person after each period.

Ivo Flipse

9:28 PM

nope, that doesn't stop me from ranting, but I'll let @Grace, gracefully handle this and go to bed :-)

Grace Note

Please unlock the room, @badp

Now, quick recap: Question is asked about FRAPS -> FRAPS encoding is specific to FRAPS -> FRAPS is not a variable. That's all we've covered now.

Now then, answers are given to the original question. Applicable answers.

The applicable answers, however, were insufficient to the original author

The particular change, was it acceptable?

Okay, let's hear from the populace what people think about that change, first.

Unless there is anything people disagree with this point in the recap.

badp

@GraceNote I think it is. Explicitly asking people to enumerate the steps in a "how to" question, in my opinion, does not change the question. I also took care to comment on existing answers.

Arda Xi

It does not validate your criteria of not invalidating the answers, although I don't exactly think that's a big issue.

Grace Note

@Arda To that statement, I ask, are the answers truly invalidated, or are they just made to look sub-par?

TomWij

Can you quote/bookmark the explanation to the question being asked about FRAPS? Because 1. We can't do anything related to FRAPS to answer the question. 2. The tag say "windows" (and unrelated: the other tag is wrong as the question isn't about "recording" but it's about "transcoding")

Grace Note

9:38 PM

@TomWij Here:

> I took a quick FRAPS recording showing this clever answer at work. [...] How I can turn this into something more reasonable before uploading?

badp

@TomWij Fraps is Windows-only software.

Arda Xi

@GraceNote Same thing in my eyes, they do not answer the question anymore.

@badp Windows and Wine, although I don't see how it's relevant.

Grace Note

@Arda You're a harsh critic, then. But that's a good thing.

badp

@ArdaXi Did they ever answer the question in the first place?

Arda Xi

@badp Sure. You asked for ways to encode video, they gave them.

badp

9:39 PM

26 mins ago, by badp

@ArdaXi That's the whole point. I'm the asker. If it doesn't work for me, it doesn't darn work for me.

Arda Xi

You even liked one until you ran into trouble.

TomWij

@GraceNote: If I have a video taken with a Sony Cyber-shot TX9 and want to transcode it, is the question about the capturing process or about the transcoding process?

badp

@ArdaXi I know, that's why I asked for more details. What's the problem with that?

Arda Xi

@badp Even if it doesn't work for you it still answers the question.

Grace Note

@TomWij It depends on how you're asking the question. In this case, the fact that FRAPS is used is actually important

badp

9:40 PM

I then saw the question was degenerating to game-rec grounds and decided to avoid that.

Arda Xi

4 mins ago, by Arda Xi

It does not validate your criteria of not invalidating the answers, although I don't exactly think that's a big issue.

StrixVaria

@Grace I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Why is it important?

badp

...

Arda Xi

@GraceNote Exactly, my whole 'variable' point (or was it someone else's) was that software doesn't care about the codec used.

Grace Note

@ArdaXi The problem here, especially to me, is that no one has explicitly stated this until just now

Arda Xi

9:41 PM

@GraceNote I have. Numerous times.

TomWij

@GraceNote: It indeed depends on how it is being asked. But I don't see how the question in it's first form asks anything about the capturing process that is done with FRAPS, but rather about the transcoding process that has to do be done with other software that is irrelevant to Gaming.

Grace Note

Well, I wish I was around during the first four hours in order to hear it.

Arda Xi

3 hours ago, by Arda Xi

The process is the same for any video really, so long as the app uses the installed codecs.

Grace Note

But to that point, does that then mean that any solution applicable to any other codec can be applied to FRAPS? Given that extra statement about installing the codec as being done.

badp

Arda Xi

9:44 PM

Yes, it does.

Except for VLC, which exclusively uses its own codecs.

Grace Note

@TomWij I didn't think it said anything about the capturing process. I was under the impression that FRAPS encoding, in being specific to FRAPS, had an impact on the actual possible answers

Arda Xi

And of course excepting other environmental factors which @badp seems to have run into with Handbrake.

Grace Note

@ArdaXi But that's more or less irrelevant to FRAPS and relevant to VLC instead.

Arda Xi

@GraceNote Yeah, just covering all bases.

badp

FRAPS encoding and the fact that, well, it's a game we're talking about. What is being recorded, in my opinion, obviously affects the parameters I'm going to use in the encoding.

TomWij

9:45 PM

@GraceNote: FRAPS is the capturing and decoding side, there would only be difference at the encoding side.

So just as Arda Xi says: Yes, it does.

And look what we're discussing here, codecs et al... Are we discussing Gaming? No.

StrixVaria

@badp It really is irrelevant that it's a game. You keep coming back to it but it just doesn't matter.

Grace Note

@TomWij We're discussing something's relevance to gaming.

badp

@StrixVaria How would a gamer know without knowing the topic in the first place?

If I knew the topic in the first place I wouldn't ask this question!

Grace Note

@badp For the latter point, that sounds more like a "Cool tip" possible for Meta

StrixVaria

@badp Then why are you resisting the advice from so many people who do know the topic?

badp

9:47 PM

Because this question has value to remain on Gaming

Grace Note

Cool tips we can use in conjunction with gaming to ask or answer questions, namely.

TomWij

@badp Yes, it even depends on the game. Compare Minecraft to Crysis.

badp

because it's a common gamer problem

StrixVaria

@badp I think this discussion has value to Gaming because it will set a precedent. In the future we can close without argument or migrate to Super User.

Grace Note

But I'm getting ahead of myself here

TomWij

9:47 PM

That's near the whole range of compression settings you have there to not lose any quality.

badp

@TomWij Compare a game to a PAL TV recording to Visual Studio.

TomWij

(If you want to lose quality, that's an user preference)

Arda Xi

@badp Compare a game to a game to a game to a game.

StrixVaria

@badp Compare a VIDEO of a game to a VIDEO recorded from a PAL TV

Arda Xi

There's no way to put all those situations in an answer, especially not as a step in your how-to guides.

badp

9:48 PM

@ArdaXi Compare on topic to on topic to on topic. There's, like, nothing to compare.

Arda Xi

@badp Still, not answerable in one question.

So it's irrelevant to this one, because it isn't going to be included.

badp

@StrixVaria Yeah, very different beasts, especially in the technical world of encoding and decoding.

TomWij

@badp: The point is, I don't see how a generic answer can be given if the content differs for each game.

StrixVaria

@badp Not different at all. Essentially the exact same beast.

Arda Xi

@badp Same beast really. Not differing at all except for content

@StrixVaria Erm, yeah.. that.

badp

9:50 PM

@ArdaXi There's just one situation here, what different scenarios are you thinking of?

TomWij

Given that, the characteristics of the source video (which are different for each game) are relevant to deciding the compression of your video, but irrelevant to the transcoding process itself.

Arda Xi

@badp Crysis v. Minecraft for example.

badp

FRAPS → ?? H268/MKV/OGV ??

Grace Note

Questions about tools useful to Gaming are allowed. Following that, is troubleshooting these tools within the scope of Gaming. That seems to be the heart of what a Meta discussion would start off as

badp

@GraceNote To be honest I think this question is in the "tools useful to gaming" area

Arda Xi

9:52 PM

@badp The difference between quality you'll use in Minecraft is different than that in Crysis. You can't capture all of them in your answer.

@badp As does a monitor, really.

It's quite useful in gaming to see what you do.

TomWij

@badp: FRAPS is, but I don't see how transcoding tools are useful to Gaming?

Arda Xi

Doesn't mean that questions about your monitor should be here.

badp

@ArdaXi Yeah, so a question on SU and on Gaming asking for monitor advice will be vastly different, and on topic on both sites.

Arda Xi

@badp No. Only on-topic at SU.

TomWij

Or better stated: Should we add Video Processing to the FAQ?

StrixVaria

9:53 PM

@badp You complain about us using the same arguments again and again, but you are the one failing to understand them. We just brought up that videos from varied sources are the same beast and you brought up a new topic instead of continuing in that vein. What makes you think that a video recorded from a game vs. one I recorded with my camera are different?

badp

Gaming will focus on refresh rate, I think, while SU will focus on contrast/etc.

Arda Xi

@badp It would simply be off-topic at Gaming.

badp

@StrixVaria Screen flickering from refresh rates. Interlacing. Glaring of colours. Angle.

Grace Note

@badp I'm not too sure I buy that. FRAPS is the tool for gaming. The issue with crappy quality or whatever reason you need to transcode, that's a FRAPS problem and not a gaming problem

Hence: troubleshooting a tool that is useful to a gamer.

Arda Xi

@GraceNote (Big filesize)

Grace Note

9:55 PM

@ArdaXi Ah, filesize. Gotcha. Wasn't clear from the qbody

Qwebody. That's fun to pronounce. Hee~

TomWij

@badp What do you mean by refresh rate? Do you mean FPS?

badp

@TomWij Refresh rate and responsiveness of the monitor.

TomWij

@badp And how are those relevant to the transcoding process?

StrixVaria

@badp So you're afraid if the video runs at 24fps and your monitor runs at 60hz, since that's not a multiple of 24 you're going to have problems?

I'm trying to understand your terse list of objections

Grace Note

I think troubleshooting of gamer-useful tools falls under our standard tech support clauses.

TomWij

9:56 PM

@badp I don't see one has to think about refresh rate at all when transcoding a video.

badp

@TomWij I was making a different example about another hypothetical question that could fit both SU and Gaming and still get different answers, as requested by Arda.

TomWij

@badp Refresh rate is for playback, not for transcoding.

badp

You are replying to the different example scenario.

It's, like, a different example.

Don't mix 'em up.

Grace Note

Which has two parts: relatedness to Gaming, and I'm too lazy to name the other one right now

Arda Xi

@badp I'm still not convinced it would fit on Gaming

Grace Note

9:58 PM

Relatedness to Gaming is the whole "It's either a console thing, or something exclusive to Gaming".

TomWij

@badp The same for contrast, you wouldn't have to think about that at all unless you want to change it, but that would be an unrelated user preference

badp

1. Is this a questions gamers have? Yes, gamers record their gaming all the time. Some even have their friends encode their runs.
2. Is there value for Gaming to have this question on site? Yes, see above.
3. Is this question objectively answerable? Yes.

StrixVaria

4. Is this question about Gaming? No. It's about video encoding.

Grace Note

@badp I love how none of those numbered points cover topicality

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TomWij

1. Your question is not about recording.

Grace Note

9:59 PM

Wow, double negative there... go me

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